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Posted by paulbwell on November 7, 2005, at 0:47:46
I found some Methedrine tabs (Methamphetamine 5mgs) at a relatives place, Ex pharmacist.
I have experience with Ritalin, am wondering about the dosage i should take?
Posted by gardenergirl on November 7, 2005, at 1:45:37
In reply to Have access to methedrine-(Methamphetamine Hcl, 5b, posted by paulbwell on November 7, 2005, at 0:47:46
Whatever your doctor prescribes?
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Posted by Ame Sans Vie on November 7, 2005, at 6:14:02
In reply to Have access to methedrine-(Methamphetamine Hcl, 5b, posted by paulbwell on November 7, 2005, at 0:47:46
> I found some Methedrine tabs (Methamphetamine 5mgs) at a relatives place, Ex pharmacist.
It's my understanding that Methedrine has not been manufactured in quite some time, at least here in the U.S. You weren't lucky enough to find an expiration date or anything, were you? I'd assume anything with the brand name "Methedrine" would have to be at least five years old... And I thought it only came in an I.V. solution? I'll have to research that one.
> I have experience with Ritalin, am wondering about the dosage i should take?
Well, if these really *are* "Methedrine tablets", 5mg, that would make them identical for the most part to Desoxyn (methamphetamine HCl, 5mg), the possibility of loss of potency due to age notwithstanding. To me, and it seems to many AD/HDers, 5mg Desoxyn is approximately equivalent to 10mg dexamphetamine in most regards, with some different subjective effects (i.e. greater euphoria) and fewer peripheral effects. 10mg dexamphetamine is generally held to be equipotent to 15-20mg methylphenidate. If you have experience with methylphenidate, then anywhere from 5-15mg should be a reasonable first dose -- though I'd personally want to find out some more about these tablets' point of origin and age before experimenting.
I'll get back with you if I find anything else!
~Michael
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on November 7, 2005, at 6:58:11
In reply to Re: Have access to methedrine-(Methamphetamine Hcl » paulbwell, posted by Ame Sans Vie on November 7, 2005, at 6:14:02
Methedrine was manufactured by Burroughs Well-come, who withdrew it from the market in 1963, so I suppose I was just a bit off with that five year estimation, lol. It was only available in ampules for injection.
What do the pills you have look like? Are you sure they're not Desoxyn, or some of the recalled Able Labs generic methamphetamine HCl?
~Michael
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on November 7, 2005, at 7:49:18
In reply to Re: Info on Methedrine, posted by Ame Sans Vie on November 7, 2005, at 6:58:11
> ... It was only available in ampules for injection ...
That'll teach me not to rely on info obtained from one website, lol. It was a reputable encyclopedic reference site, though, so I assumed it could be trusted. Turns out there *were* such things as Methedrine tablets; in fact, it was available in three forms. The ampules I spoke of in my former post were 20mg, and Methedrine tablets 5mg (white; scored) *were*, in fact, available. The third form was simply Methedrine (methamphetamine HCl) powder, presumably used to prepare oral elixirs, injectable solutions, and perhaps suppositories as well by compounding pharmacists and hospital personnel.
I would still be wary, though, as the pills (provided they are, in fact, Methedrine) are obviously quite past their expiration date!
~Michael
Posted by med_empowered on November 7, 2005, at 12:26:16
In reply to Have access to methedrine-(Methamphetamine Hcl, 5b, posted by paulbwell on November 7, 2005, at 0:47:46
wow...methedrine's really old school (I think David Bowie was a big fan back in the day). I guess if you feel like trying it...go ahead. THe only big problem I've heard of with methamphetamine is that it takes a couple days to get up to an effective dose b/c of anxiety--apparently Desoxyn causes more anxiety than, say, dexedrine...just be aware of that, I guess.
Posted by Phillipa on November 7, 2005, at 21:01:33
In reply to Re: Have access to methedrine-(Methamphetamine Hcl, posted by med_empowered on November 7, 2005, at 12:26:16
How long can you take a med that has expired. I've been taking the original luvox but it's expired. So that makes it weaker. All I know is it does nothing. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by utopizen on November 8, 2005, at 16:00:44
In reply to Re: Have access to methedrine-(Methamphetamine Hcl, posted by Phillipa on November 7, 2005, at 21:01:33
Geez.
Look, I get prescribed Desoxyn, made by Ovation Labs. It's Methamphetamine HCL.
If you're certain it says Methedrine, whatever, it's really old. If you really want to know, alt.drugs.abuse have reports there of isolated incidents of at least one group cleaning up an old widow of a doctor's attic, and taking barbituates and amphetamine samples from the 60's (common practice back then).
If you have a history of paranoia, anxiety, or agitation, do not take a psychostimulant without your doctor's permission.
Methamphetamine is approx. 1.5-2.5x potent than dl amphetamine.
Taking a dose as low as 20mg can get you high. In other words, take a dose as low as that also severely risks you getting amphetamine psychosis, and winding you up in the hospital.
If you have depression, STAY AWAY FROM DESOXYN, or any psychostimulant, without your doctor's supervision. It agitates depression. Just trust me.
Posted by paulbwell on November 8, 2005, at 19:03:43
In reply to Re: Info on Methedrine -- An Important Correction!, posted by Ame Sans Vie on November 7, 2005, at 7:49:18
> > ... It was only available in ampules for injection ...
>
> That'll teach me not to rely on info obtained from one website, lol. It was a reputable encyclopedic reference site, though, so I assumed it could be trusted. Turns out there *were* such things as Methedrine tablets; in fact, it was available in three forms. The ampules I spoke of in my former post were 20mg, and Methedrine tablets 5mg (white; scored) *were*, in fact, available. The third form was simply Methedrine (methamphetamine HCl) powder, presumably used to prepare oral elixirs, injectable solutions, and perhaps suppositories as well by compounding pharmacists and hospital personnel.
>
> I would still be wary, though, as the pills (provided they are, in fact, Methedrine) are obviously quite past their expiration date!
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> ~MichaelAparently Methedrine (which i TOO thought was Meth liquid) was available in tabs, 5mgs, like the (inferior Ovation Desoxyn) and these were it, from an old Pharm.
MMM, I imagine about his pill collection.
Cheers
Cheers
Posted by Chairman_MAO on November 9, 2005, at 8:29:37
In reply to Re: Info on Methedrine -- (methylphetamine tabs-5), posted by paulbwell on November 8, 2005, at 19:03:43
Normal dose is from 5-25mg once to twice daily.
Methamphetamine is a very physiologically safe drug, but respect it, because the risk for psychological toxicity from abuse (if you are predisposed to it) is relatively high.A former psychologist of mine used to treat scores of professionals, i.e. people whose addictions did not stop because of lack of money, who extensively abused methamphetamine. He said the average INTRAVENOUS dose amongst his patients (these people had substantial, but not at all surprising or unheard of, tolerance) was 120mg/day. That should give you an idea of the therapeutic index.
I have taken up to 20mg of methamphetamine on tranylcypromine 200mg/day with no problem.
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on November 9, 2005, at 9:29:56
In reply to Re: Info on Methedrine -- (methylphetamine tabs-5), posted by paulbwell on November 8, 2005, at 19:03:43
> Aparently Methedrine (which i TOO thought was Meth liquid) was available in tabs, 5mgs, like the (inferior Ovation Desoxyn) and these were it, from an old Pharm.
Wow ... have you sampled it yet? Who knows, it could still have some kick to it forty years off the assembly-line, no kidding!! I have to admit, even though I get 120 Desoxyn a month as it is, if I came across an ancient bottle of Methedrine tabs, I don't think I could help but partake just so I could say I did, lol!
> MMM, I imagine about his pill collection.Yeah... really blows. I've always been pissed that I weren't born thirty years sooner so I could've even just *seen* some brand name 'Ludes, Methedrine, goofballs (Desbutal, Eskatrol, Dexamyl), or whatever up close and personal, lol.
That reminds me, though, I've been meaning to ask you out of simple curiosity -- have you ever had the pleasure of sampling methaqualone? My cousin makes occasional business trips to Italy, Japan, and most importantly South Africa, where he picks up some Mandrax (a combination methaqualone 250mg/diphenhydramine 25mg product that is diverted from legal manufacturers in France and Switzerland) for me if I have the money to give him in advance to hunt it down on the grey-market (which really isn't hard in Cape Town) and ship it to me.
Let me just say this -- luckily I normally don't have the money for that kind of thing, because I could VERY easily see myself going through bottles of those as if they were Skittles; I mean my freaking God, they may as well have named it "Orgasmax"!! lol
~Michael
Posted by Chairman_MAO on November 9, 2005, at 16:31:01
In reply to Re: Info on Methedrine -- (methylphetamine tabs-5) » paulbwell, posted by Ame Sans Vie on November 9, 2005, at 9:29:56
"'Cause the Benzedrine's the thing that makes me swing!"
--Harry "The Hipster" Gibson
Posted by paulbwell on November 9, 2005, at 17:44:01
In reply to Re: Info on Methedrine -- (methylphetamine tabs-5) » paulbwell, posted by Ame Sans Vie on November 9, 2005, at 9:29:56
> > Aparently Methedrine (which i TOO thought was Meth liquid) was available in tabs, 5mgs, like the (inferior Ovation Desoxyn) and these were it, from an old Pharm.
>
> Wow ... have you sampled it yet? Who knows, it could still have some kick to it forty years off the assembly-line, no kidding!! I have to admit, even though I get 120 Desoxyn a month as it is, if I came across an ancient bottle of Methedrine tabs, I don't think I could help but partake just so I could say I did, lol!
>
> > MMM, I imagine about his pill collection.
>
> Yeah... really blows. I've always been pissed that I weren't born thirty years sooner so I could've even just *seen* some brand name 'Ludes, Methedrine, goofballs (Desbutal, Eskatrol, Dexamyl), or whatever up close and personal, lol.
>
> That reminds me, though, I've been meaning to ask you out of simple curiosity -- have you ever had the pleasure of sampling methaqualone? My cousin makes occasional business trips to Italy, Japan, and most importantly South Africa, where he picks up some Mandrax (a combination methaqualone 250mg/diphenhydramine 25mg product that is diverted from legal manufacturers in France and Switzerland) for me if I have the money to give him in advance to hunt it down on the grey-market (which really isn't hard in Cape Town) and ship it to me.
>
> Let me just say this -- luckily I normally don't have the money for that kind of thing, because I could VERY easily see myself going through bottles of those as if they were Skittles; I mean my freaking God, they may as well have named it "Orgasmax"!! lol
>
> ~Michael" Yeah... really blows. I've always been pissed that I weren't born thirty years sooner so I could've even just *seen* some brand name 'Ludes, Methedrine, goofballs (Desbutal, Eskatrol, Dexamyl), or whatever up close and personal, lol."--Hear yer dude-Quaalude 300mg, Dexamyl, Desbutal,
-But you you have tried Desoxyn, Methaquaalude, Seconal, Tuinal, Nembutal,-many meds MANY here would LOVE to try!
So you, like MOST PEOPLE like Methaqualone?-no surprise here. -apparently SA is the only place these are around now.BRING BACK QUAALADE!-(Methaqualone-PLEASE)!
Take care dude, and good times!
Cheers
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