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Posted by superman on November 6, 2005, at 22:58:21
In that order: Wow.
Just wanted to share an experience.
Had been on parnate for a while. One day I went to school, spent a very productive hour or so in the gym, and then got ready to go to a friend's get together.
Took my clonazepam a couple hours ahead of time, and some caffeine pills just after.
Now usually, in groups, around strangers, and around girls that I have particulara liking for, I'm a completely nervous mess (extreme social anxiety). This get together had all those elements.
Now clonzepam usually blocks out the anxiety fairly well, so I'm not so nervous, but doesnt make me particularly social, and definitely not energetic or clever in any way.
But on this occasison I was so outgoing, so witty, and FELT so good. My theory is the parnate ensured a good mood (compared to pre-parnate days), the clonazepam ensured no physiological anxiety, the caffein made me energetic and probably hade some cognitive benifits. The excercise I'm guessing had multiple benefits (energy level, confidence, cognitive benefits).
It was a great night and I wish I could always be like that. I'm suprised the caffein and clonzepam worked together, but it did!
Just wanted to share that. Also thinking about how I can manage to be like that all the time (unfortunately the clonazepam and excercise doesnt mix well sometimes: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20051106/msgs/576217.html )
T
Posted by willyee on November 7, 2005, at 1:17:01
In reply to Parnate+excercise+clonzepam+caffeine: WOW, posted by superman on November 6, 2005, at 22:58:21
Glad you exper such good response.I hate to ever burts anyones bubble,but i have posted that combo here,i discovered it after taking parnate and klonopin,and feeling like the two cancealed each other out,the addtiion of caffifine pills started to fix that by beinging back the parnate feeling.
Just remember in the world of drugs we live in,they seem to tourment us by letting us just get a nice little taste of peace,only to take it away,and the combo ,mainly the caffiene does beging to loose it effecnvess if the combo is continued.The strong reaction to caffiene will die off,ive even feel asleep on this combo with the caffiene being the main one to do so.
Also caffiene fights for the benzo site,ive read this,so ur benzo might end up being a lil less effective over time,that or the caffiene since again i believe they comptete for the same site.Use the combo,just continue to search for backup plans,dont place it alll on this one,and i wish and hope it works for as long as possable giving u full benifit.
Posted by DanielJ on November 7, 2005, at 7:48:35
In reply to Re: Parnate+excercise+clonzepam+caffeine: WOW, posted by willyee on November 7, 2005, at 1:17:01
Although I am usually on this forum for my son. I have had anger problems and high/low type situations and even what I believe to be psychosis at times. I took a test on line which said I have Bi polar tendencies. I have noticed that if I get enough coffee = caffiene every day these sysmptoms all but disappear. In spite of it's side effects, I still think caffiene is very helpful for certain symptoms and is worth putting up with being overly alert and some heart palpitations etc.
Posted by Bill LL on November 7, 2005, at 9:36:28
In reply to Parnate+excercise+clonzepam+caffeine: WOW, posted by superman on November 6, 2005, at 22:58:21
I'm not surprised by your success. All four of these are very effective. Caffeine is not bad for you as some people might think. It is an antidepressant and doctors used to prescibe it as such. The only problem is that if you take it late in the day, it can make it more difficult to sleep.
If this combo keeps working for you, and I think it will, by all means stay with it. In other words, if it aint borke, don't fix it.
> In that order: Wow.
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> Just wanted to share an experience.
>
> Had been on parnate for a while. One day I went to school, spent a very productive hour or so in the gym, and then got ready to go to a friend's get together.
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> Took my clonazepam a couple hours ahead of time, and some caffeine pills just after.
>
> Now usually, in groups, around strangers, and around girls that I have particulara liking for, I'm a completely nervous mess (extreme social anxiety). This get together had all those elements.
>
> Now clonzepam usually blocks out the anxiety fairly well, so I'm not so nervous, but doesnt make me particularly social, and definitely not energetic or clever in any way.
>
> But on this occasison I was so outgoing, so witty, and FELT so good. My theory is the parnate ensured a good mood (compared to pre-parnate days), the clonazepam ensured no physiological anxiety, the caffein made me energetic and probably hade some cognitive benifits. The excercise I'm guessing had multiple benefits (energy level, confidence, cognitive benefits).
>
> It was a great night and I wish I could always be like that. I'm suprised the caffein and clonzepam worked together, but it did!
>
> Just wanted to share that. Also thinking about how I can manage to be like that all the time (unfortunately the clonazepam and excercise doesnt mix well sometimes: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20051106/msgs/576217.html )
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> T
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Posted by Glydin on November 7, 2005, at 11:18:21
In reply to Re: Parnate+excercise+clonzepam+caffeine: WOW, posted by Bill LL on November 7, 2005, at 9:36:28
Isn't that a no no and could potentiate a hypertensive crisis or am I wrong?
Posted by willyee on November 7, 2005, at 16:26:41
In reply to Uh, an MAOI and caffiene?, posted by Glydin on November 7, 2005, at 11:18:21
Actualy for whatever reason parnate seems to have a synergy with caffiene,whether or not long term its ruining any benifit of parnate im dont know,but it definatly isnt a problem with the two togther.
Posted by Tom Twilight on November 7, 2005, at 17:04:11
In reply to Re: Uh, an MAOI and caffiene?, posted by willyee on November 7, 2005, at 16:26:41
I don't think theres much danger from combining an MAOI with caffiene, although its 'officially' contradicted.
I'm on 60mgs of Marplan and have drunk a lot of coffee without incident.
If some one were taking and MAOI and their blood pressure was already very high then I suppose there might be a problem with Caffiene.
Its worth remembering that MAOIs can be combined with more powerful stimulants like Dexedrine, this link has a few examples.
Posted by tecknohed on November 7, 2005, at 17:52:20
In reply to Parnate+excercise+clonzepam+caffeine: WOW, posted by superman on November 6, 2005, at 22:58:21
Hey that's great!
I always get a similar response from caffeine, as long as I haven't had any for a while. Like with you, it seems to bring out the other meds' benefits too.
The problem I find is that because I have such an addictive tendency, once I start I cant stop. The caffeine effect goes from good to average to little use to chronic fatigue! I probably am an exception, but I think everyone will experience some 'sort' of tolerence to its effects when used continuously.Best thing if you can, would be to save it for social occasions or when it would be particularly helpfull, like deadlines. Guarana might be worth a look at. Still caffeine but seems to give a steadier release/effect and lasts longer. Its also said to contain other stimulant-type chemicals which give it a 'adaptogenic' quality.
Regards
teck
Posted by Phillipa on November 7, 2005, at 20:52:05
In reply to Re: Parnate+excercise+clonzepam+caffeine: WOW » superman, posted by tecknohed on November 7, 2005, at 17:52:20
Caffeine an antidepessant? Well if no anxiety is involved it would probably work. Wake you up. Fondly, Phillipa
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