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Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 14:49:16
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » utopizen, posted by xjs7 on August 28, 2005, at 14:30:46
I agree that some of utopizen's posts are interesting. Unfortunately, others are cruel and offensive.
~Ed
Posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:02:52
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » utopizen, posted by zeugma on August 28, 2005, at 9:51:13
> If someone's offended I don't take my mysterious life as serious as they'd prefer, keep in mind I'm not telling anyone here they aren't allowed to whine as much as I have myself in the years I've been on the board.>>
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> Who are you to tell anyone how much they are or are not 'allowed' to whine on this board? And what does it have to do with how much you 'whine' here?
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> -z
I'm not "one to tell anyone" anything. Who are you to try and paraphrase me? Re-read my post.
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:13:28
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 9:41:07
>I'm laughing at myself, and I'm allowed to do that.
You are.... but it was hardly clear that you were laughing at yourself.
Humour is great... and a vital part of the forum. It's important that posts aren't hurtful though.
~ed
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:14:35
In reply to What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 5:54:49
You seem bitter. Are you unhappy at the moment?
~Ed
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:18:51
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:02:52
I regret responding to this thread. It's bound to end badly.
~Ed
Posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:19:33
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » utopizen, posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 14:45:12
> >If someone's offended........
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> To be honest, it wasn't this post which offended me, it was your earlier post up the page..........
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050827/msgs/547501.html
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> ~edEd,
If I ever said anything like "Accutane caused depression" to my p-doc or my therapist, the response would be far more "offending" than what I posted.
If "offensive" remarks are anything that include negative feedback, therapists would be out of a job. Their primary role is to deliver "negative feedback."
I once suggested "Klonopin can cause depression" and was immediately snapped at by my doctor, with rolling eyes, who said, "John, do you want to know how to sound like an expert?" (He's a Harvard Professor, and well-known by any doc I've ever met).
He said, "Nobody knows what causes depression. It's not that simple. And it's never for a single reason, much less a single drug."
So, if I appear offensive, don't go to my pdoc.
And all my therapist would have said is exactly what I just said.
Posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:25:46
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » utopizen, posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:14:35
> You seem bitter. Are you unhappy at the moment?
>
> ~Ed
I'm bitter? I'm always bitter. I'm a writer. It annoys me that I can't write 4 sentences that use the word "I" repeatedly, and it's over-read and misinterpreted.It reminds me how much misinterpretation goes on in my actual essays for classes by my professors.
Am I unhappy? No. Am I elated? No.
Posted by Maximus on August 28, 2005, at 15:26:13
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » xjs7, posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 14:49:16
Salut Ed. Thanks for your kind words posted in my thread :-) Gentleman as usual.
But how are you doing? You seem to be easily hurt. Did you change your medication or something else? I know you were thinking about Prozac...
Bye.
Posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:27:53
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » utopizen, posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:18:51
> I regret responding to this thread. It's bound to end badly.
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> ~EdOkay, Ed, I do not dislike you, and I think suggesting this thread is to regret is unfortunate... not everyone will agree with you, me, or anyone. That's called "discourse."
And why would it end "badly?" How could that possibly happen?
Posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:37:19
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:27:53
> > I regret responding to this thread. It's bound to end badly.
> >
> > ~Ed
>yeah, maximus.. has a point... first, I shouldn't use "projecting"... but you did suggest I was "bitter" and inquired if I was "unhappy."
Also, I am sympathetic with the fact that Maximus might not feel defended by my remarks, but he seems more ressilient to them than you are, and they were directed at him... I thought it posed an important question, and, well, it really didn't say anything but that.
It was far from condensending, and nothing out of bounds for a therapist to pose. I hope you maintain a suitable environment for yourself... whether the drugs are "working" or not, I've never known of any that do so more than 1/2 way.
The rest happens with therapy, exercise, friends, love, and everything else modernity dismisses as hopeless pursuits. (A self-fulfilling prophecy, based on my own experiences).
Ah, if drugs didn't go just half-way, would there be any meaning to my remission?
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:42:18
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:19:33
Hi John,
I get the impression that your pdoc doesn't have a particularly good 'bedside manner'.
Regards
~Ed
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:43:48
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:25:46
>Am I unhappy? No. Am I elated? No.
Well... I guess that's good.
Regards
~Ed
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:45:20
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » ed_uk, posted by Maximus on August 28, 2005, at 15:26:13
Hi Max,
I'm doing quite well thank you :-) I haven't changed my medication.
~ed
Posted by zeugma on August 28, 2005, at 15:45:42
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:25:46
> > You seem bitter. Are you unhappy at the moment?
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> > ~Ed
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> I'm bitter? I'm always bitter. I'm a writer. It annoys me that I can't write 4 sentences that use the word "I" repeatedly, and it's over-read and misinterpreted.
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> It reminds me how much misinterpretation goes on in my actual essays for classes by my professors.
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> Am I unhappy? No. Am I elated? No.Assuming that your argument that Accutane could never be responsible for depression is valid (appealing to the opinion of an expert, namely your therapist), then why would you think your professors are automatically guilty of "misinterpretation" when they read your essays? They're experts too, you know.
-z
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:51:29
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:27:53
Hi John,
>That's called "discourse."
>And why would it end "badly?" How could that possibly happen?Sometimes, it's not particularly helpful to get invloved with discourse.
~ed
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:55:48
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:25:46
>I'm a writer.
.......and a good one, but perhaps a little harsh?
~Ed
Posted by willyee on August 28, 2005, at 16:17:12
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » utopizen, posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:55:48
Believe it or not my fish dying would be a tragedy.Hes a 9 inch African cichlid and and is my buddy,i treat him like he was my child,his name is Big Louie by the way,and if something happened to him,id be devasted!!!
Posted by linkadge on August 28, 2005, at 16:41:09
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:19:33
I don't think it is foolish or inappropriate to live under the assumption that a certain drug could ruin one's life.
I was reading an interesting article on Lilly. It seems that an extrordinarily disproportionate number of people who work for the company actually take prozac. What do they know that we don't ?
Drugs have ruined my life. I am not afriad to say it, and I am not afriad to gracefully ignore the suggestions of those who might try to persuade me otherwise.
Can you imagine that opposition the first person to ever experience acutaine induced depression would experience? A doctor might believe you now because it is well documented. If I was taking the drug, and was under the impression that it did infact cause significant neurological symptoms, then I'd be hard pressed to let anyone convince me otherwise.
The truth is, that nobody knows one better than oneself.Linkadge
Posted by adamCanada on August 28, 2005, at 17:49:10
In reply to What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 5:54:49
Grow up and stop insulting members of the board. Unless you get poisoned by something like accutane you have no CLUE what it feels like. SO GROW UP
I was the most healthy person in the world before this TOXIC drug (which claimed the lives of thousands) came into my life. I cannot function the way I used to. I wish perhaps you were in my shoes so you could see what the hell it feels like. How disgusting.
Hope you get banned. GOODBYE
Posted by Maximus on August 28, 2005, at 18:25:17
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » Maximus, posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2005, at 15:45:20
> Hi Max,
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> I'm doing quite well thank you :-) I haven't changed my medication.
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> ~ed
Quite well? Great. Just great. Don't forget that too much "psybabble" may sometimes be toxic...Bye.
Posted by linkadge on August 28, 2005, at 19:58:14
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil. » ed_uk, posted by Maximus on August 28, 2005, at 18:25:17
Its nice an easy to say "pull up your socks and get on with your life".
Would you say that to somebody who has wrongfully been exposed to a cancer causing agent?
Some dammage is beyond something you can "forget about" it is something that you have to live with every day, perhaps for the rest of your life.
To an outsider looking in, a comment such as "pull up your socks" is profoundly more indicative of ones own insecurities.
Its not a manner of getting on with your life, obviously they are doing that. That is why they are here. They may feel that it helps them to feel better about their own losses if perhaps they can prevent it from happening to somebody else. Being here to tell us about what happened to them is a way of coming to terms with their reality.
It sounds, more or less, that this is just something that some people are afriad to hear about. And so "stop complaining" is the best they can do.
Linkadge
Posted by spriggy on August 28, 2005, at 20:09:46
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by linkadge on August 28, 2005, at 19:58:14
Someone explain how water retention caused the goldfish to die??
*yes, I am avoiding the big,pink elephant in the room* ROFL
Posted by gromit on August 28, 2005, at 21:02:13
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:19:33
> I once suggested "Klonopin can cause depression" and was immediately snapped at by my doctor, with rolling eyes, who said, "John, do you want to know how to sound like an expert?" (He's a Harvard Professor, and well-known by any doc I've ever met).
I've had doctors like that, more interested in demonstrating their vast knowledge than actually listening and trying to help. Harvard or not I wouldn't go back if he spoke to me in that manner.
Rick
Posted by Paulbwell on August 28, 2005, at 21:51:17
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by utopizen on August 28, 2005, at 15:37:19
> > > I regret responding to this thread. It's bound to end badly.
> > >
> > > ~Ed
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> yeah, maximus.. has a point... first, I shouldn't use "projecting"... but you did suggest I was "bitter" and inquired if I was "unhappy."
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> Also, I am sympathetic with the fact that Maximus might not feel defended by my remarks, but he seems more ressilient to them than you are, and they were directed at him... I thought it posed an important question, and, well, it really didn't say anything but that.
>
> It was far from condensending, and nothing out of bounds for a therapist to pose. I hope you maintain a suitable environment for yourself... whether the drugs are "working" or not, I've never known of any that do so more than 1/2 way.
>
> The rest happens with therapy, exercise, friends, love, and everything else modernity dismisses as hopeless pursuits. (A self-fulfilling prophecy, based on my own experiences).
>
> Ah, if drugs didn't go just half-way, would there be any meaning to my remission?I know you took Desoxyn~50mgs? ( Medical Methamphetamine) did that help to ruin things?
Cheers
Posted by utopizen on August 29, 2005, at 15:45:20
In reply to Re: What drug X did to me and why it's evil., posted by Paulbwell on August 28, 2005, at 21:51:17
> I know you took Desoxyn~50mgs? ( Medical Methamphetamine) did that help to ruin things?
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> CheersRuin my remission? Ruin what?
I switched back to Desoxyn shortly before my remission took place.
And what's with "medical methamphetamine"? I don't say "Adderall (medical amphetamine)". What gives? Both are sold on the street. And most so-called "meth" according to the DEA is, at best, if you're lucky, 50% meth. The rest is amphetamine (non-medical? No. Non-pharmaceutical? Yes.
Not to be pedantic... or mean... I'm just like, well, Desoxyn is used by lots of people, with few complications. It gives me fewer side effects than Adderall.
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