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Posted by vy on May 30, 2005, at 23:50:54
In reply to Re: Insomnia and depression, posted by Chron on May 30, 2005, at 17:16:34
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> Ha ha my prob exactly which is why I asked about the temazepam and pot, i need one or the other or both to sleep, even when I am exhausted!
>I never got into pot. Not for me and when I was a teenager it made me hyper.. like I was on acid. I stick to Ativan and Resterol. Those 2 work like ace and I am not groggy in the morning.
Posted by Chron on May 31, 2005, at 10:00:08
In reply to Re: Insomnia and depression, posted by vy on May 30, 2005, at 23:50:54
Yes but those are chemical pharmeceuticals, pot is just pot man. you are medicating medication, isn't anyone in here a little concerned about having to take medication for medcation? One pill has adverse side effects so you take another one to balance out the effect of that one and then another one to sleep or whatever? is noone concerned about becoming a med head and totally dependant on mass factory-produced chemicals to alter your brain which you and you alone have control over? is pill popping and being spoon fed prespription medication by a physician who is PAID to promote and market name brand government sanctioned pharmaceuticals really the solution? technically, isn't that just another form of mind control? ive been reading this board for the last two days and you folks talk about meds the was elvis talked about cadillacs....scary.
Posted by tatarka on May 31, 2005, at 11:09:50
In reply to Re: Insomnia and depression » vy, posted by Chron on May 31, 2005, at 10:00:08
You are absolutly right, Chron! That's why I started gradually going off Effexor. I asked my doc to prescribe me half-dose, so I dont go cold turkey (I tried though - dont recomend anybody! it's not safe). And I hate the fact that I'm so addicted now to these things - Effexor and Wellbutrin, but I hope I'll be able to quit.
Posted by tatarka on May 31, 2005, at 11:11:43
In reply to Re: Insomnia and depression » Chron, posted by tatarka on May 31, 2005, at 11:09:50
ATTENTION TO EVERYBODY: here is the link that helped me to solve some of my problems better than my docs: http://mentalhelp.net/psyhelp/
Start from what relates to your problems/interests (I started from adsertiveness), and then you can start over from the beginning.
Posted by jubilee on May 31, 2005, at 11:14:12
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR?, posted by Chron on May 30, 2005, at 10:46:36
> Hey guys anyone know of any adverse side effects of effexor and pot smoking? Haven't started meds yet but I'm just trying to make an informed decision, don't want to have to trade one drug for another!
I hope you will here me as one that took effexor for 4 years , and now I am half blind and have a friend who is dying of irriversable liver dammage from it . it over works the liver and is highly poisionous . Withdrawals are insane and it took me 5 months to come down off it as its worse than herion . Please dont put it in your body as I would rather see you just smoke pot or take prozak which has helped me and is older and proven. Thety have symbrax now which is prozac w/ zyprexa for anxioty. God Bless . Jubilee
Ps , I just stop by here once in a awhile as I like to keep the truth up. again , Jubilee.
Posted by jubilee on May 31, 2005, at 11:14:51
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR?, posted by Chron on May 30, 2005, at 10:46:36
> Hey guys anyone know of any adverse side effects of effexor and pot smoking? Haven't started meds yet but I'm just trying to make an informed decision, don't want to have to trade one drug for another!
I hope you will here me as one that took effexor for 4 years , and now I am half blind and have a friend who is dying of irriversable liver dammage from it . it over works the liver and is highly poisionous . Withdrawals are insane and it took me 5 months to come down off it as its worse than herion . Please dont put it in your body as I would rather see you just smoke pot or take prozak which has helped me and is older and proven. Thety have symbrax now which is prozac w/ zyprexa for anxioty. God Bless . Jubilee
Ps , I just stop by here once in a awhile as I like to keep the truth up. again , Jubilee.
Posted by Chron on May 31, 2005, at 12:42:50
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR?listen!, posted by jubilee on May 31, 2005, at 11:14:51
> > Hey guys anyone know of any adverse side effects of effexor and pot smoking? Haven't started meds yet but I'm just trying to make an informed decision, don't want to have to trade one drug for another!
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> I hope you will here me as one that took effexor for 4 years , and now I am half blind and have a friend who is dying of irriversable liver dammage from it . it over works the liver and is highly poisionous . Withdrawals are insane and it took me 5 months to come down off it as its worse than herion . Please dont put it in your body as I would rather see you just smoke pot or take prozak which has helped me and is older and proven. Thety have symbrax now which is prozac w/ zyprexa for anxioty. God Bless . Jubilee
> Ps , I just stop by here once in a awhile as I like to keep the truth up. again , Jubilee.
>Thaks so much for the insight!
Posted by john berk on June 1, 2005, at 7:53:43
In reply to Re: Insomnia and depression » Chron, posted by tatarka on May 31, 2005, at 11:09:50
HI! CHRON MAKES A VALID POINT ABOUT EXCXHANGING ONE MEDICATION FOR ANOTHER, BUT AS A RECOVERING ALCOHOLIC, AND A NOW VERY HEALTH ORIENTED PERSON, I STILL BELEIVE THAT TAKING A PRESCRIBED MED FOR SLEEP IS A GOOD OPTION. ALMOST ALL THE PEOPLE OF I HAVE MET IN RECOVERY HAVE MAJOR SLEEP ISSUES, AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT FRUSTRATION WITH INSOMNIA CAN IN THE LONG RUN LEAD TO A RELAPSE, IF NOT FULL-BLOWN DEPRESSION. TRAZADONE AT A LOW DOSE, [50 MGS.] IS A GREAT HELP WITH SLEEP, AS IS 10 MGS. OF AMBIEN. ALSO EXCERSISE AND SUNLIGHT IN THE MORNING RESET YOUR SLEEP CYCLES AND RAISE MELATONIN. POT,[THC] IS A UNRELIABLE, [MORE DANGEROUS THAN ONCE SUPPOSED] "DRUG", IT HAS WORSENED MY BROTHERS OCD, AND I WOULD MUCH RATHER TAKE A PRESCRITION MED THAN SOME OFF THE STREET, UNPREDICTABLE MOOD ALTERING SUBSTANCE!! THAT'S JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION...JOHN BERK
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 1, 2005, at 21:32:53
In reply to Re: Insomnia and depression » vy, posted by Chron on May 31, 2005, at 10:00:08
> you folks talk about meds the was elvis talked about cadillacs....scary.
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 1, 2005, at 21:33:28
In reply to Psychological self-help, posted by tatarka on May 31, 2005, at 11:11:43
> ATTENTION TO EVERYBODY: here is the link that helped me to solve some of my problems better than my docs: http://mentalhelp.net/psyhelp/
Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to redirect follow-ups regarding psychological self-help to Psycho-Babble Psychology. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/psycho/20050528/msgs/506569.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by gardenergirl on June 1, 2005, at 22:09:22
In reply to Re: Insomnia and depression » vy, posted by Chron on May 31, 2005, at 10:00:08
> you are medicating medication, isn't anyone in here a little concerned about having to take medication for medcation? One pill has adverse side effects so you take another one to balance out the effect of that one and then another one to sleep or whatever?
People who have Parkinson's disease must take medication to replace the dopamine that is depleted in their brains. Sometimes this medication can cause psychotic symptoms due to too much dopamine. Thus, an antipsychotic is often intiated to manage those symptoms.
If I am following your statement correctly, then you might say that the medicine that people with Parkinson's disease require to slow the progression of their disease and to be able to even move should not be taken if it causes the person to require another medication to manage the side effect of psychosis?
gg
Posted by redjr on June 1, 2005, at 22:18:09
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? » Kev, posted by vy on May 30, 2005, at 13:26:43
Kev,
Don't feel alone with the obssesive thoughts at night! Effexor wasn't the cause for me. I've had them for years, but lately my insomnia has gotten progressively worse - to the point of it being maddening!
My pdoc changed me over to Remeron last week, but I'm not sure if it's much better. :( It's supposed to help with sleep so I take it before bed. I think the cure is worse than the symptoms - now I feel groggy, kinda like a zombie up until the late afternoon(I guess the Remeron is wearing off).
As many know on this forum, insomnia can be in and of itself a major cause of depression - or at a minimum put our bodies at risk of behaving in a depressed state! It's soooooo frustrating. Just can't turn my mind off at night.
Take care. We're all here to help....
redjr...
Posted by StayceeIB on June 2, 2005, at 0:50:47
In reply to EFFEXOR AND TEMAZEPAM, posted by Chron on May 30, 2005, at 11:34:20
Is temazepam strong? I have the RX but afraid it will be hrad o wake up ...canu tell me a bit how you are with it? I have taken ambien but it does nothing :(
Posted by corafree on June 2, 2005, at 1:00:47
In reply to Re: EFFEXOR AND TEMAZEPAM, posted by StayceeIB on June 2, 2005, at 0:50:47
Hi StayceeIB!
I have taken Restoril (temazepam) in the past and in my experience; no, it is not real strong. I don't recall any hangover feelings with it. I know of someone it seems to work well for. That's about all I know. best wishes, cf
Posted by cks57 on June 2, 2005, at 7:54:46
In reply to Re: 4 Weeks off Effexor - joint pain » winddancer, posted by Emmi on May 22, 2005, at 9:53:34
I am also experiencing extreme joint pain. The joint pain began when I started tapering off Effexor and was in the 37 mg range. That was about six weeks ago. Today, I am on day 8 of no Effexor and am feeling a little better (less dizziness/nausea, less ringing in my ears, while the joint pain remains the same). I had extensive blood work done last week and nothing showed up that would explain the joint pain. My opinion is that it is a withdrawl sympton of Effexor, although the manufacturer makes no mention of it. I think the thing that makes me most angry is the attitude of some doctors. When symptoms and side effects don't fit nicely inside some defined box, then there is NOTHING wrong with you, therefore you don't know what you're taking about. They (the pharmaceutical companies more so) are doing a great disservice to people by not accepting the fact that humans are highly complex and we don't all respond the same way. We begin to question ourselves and the validity of our complaints.
Posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 9:42:25
In reply to Re: Insomnia and depression » Chron, posted by john berk on June 1, 2005, at 7:53:43
>Hey man, I've never bought drugs "off the street" i have a close friend who has a hydro op on his basement but I am fortunate enough to be canadian and have that option. do you really consider a pharmecutical company who mass produces chemicals to alter your brain and tests them on animals and whose only concern is for that of their shareholders a reliable source?
Posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 9:50:44
In reply to Medications to manage side effects of other meds » Chron, posted by gardenergirl on June 1, 2005, at 22:09:22
No i am referring to people who take a med for depression and then they have another problem so they take another one eg. prozac to come down off effexor, and then restoril for the sleepelssnes and then wellbutrin and so on and so on....are you really "getting better" or are you just treating some of the symptoms? my opinion is based not on parkinson sufferers, so don't try to de-humanize what i said. my opinion is based of the reasearch I've done on the effects of effexor by reading 5 years worth of postings on this site, which was created to "help" people. get real. you all are dr bob's lab rats, which is why my post about meds and cadillacs ticked him off. if i put a mirror in front of the faces of the people here, they will realize this site is not to help them, it's to use you all as lab rats, and then he'll have to apply for funding for clinical trials. do yourselves a favor, talk to someone who realy cares not a 2 bit internet med pimp doctor who is using you all as his med whores. was that offensive? or does the truth hurt?
Posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 9:54:17
In reply to Re: EFFEXOR AND TEMAZEPAM, posted by StayceeIB on June 2, 2005, at 0:50:47
> Is temazepam strong? I have the RX but afraid it will be hrad o wake up ...canu tell me a bit how you are with it? I have taken ambien but it does nothing :(
Temazepam is the only med ive taken in 6 years. the only sleep med i ever took before that was surmontil, which gave me terrible hangovers. The Temazepam works well, as long as you have 8 hrs or more to devote to uninterrupted sleep, and made me less groggy in the mornings than the surmontil. I don't take it on a nightly basis, just when I've have consecutive nights w/o sleep. Good luck!
Posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 10:01:20
In reply to Re: Insomnia and depression » Chron, posted by john berk on June 1, 2005, at 7:53:43
mood altering substance, hey? what the heck do you thing these psych meds are???? did you read what you typed?
Posted by ed_uk on June 2, 2005, at 10:18:21
In reply to Re: Medications to manage side effects of other meds, posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 9:50:44
Hi Chron,
>........then he'll have to apply for funding for clinical trials.........
What do you mean by that???
/Ed
Posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 12:42:52
In reply to Re: Medications to manage side effects of other meds » Chron, posted by ed_uk on June 2, 2005, at 10:18:21
> Hi Chron,
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> >........then he'll have to apply for funding for clinical trials.........
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> What do you mean by that???
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> /Edyou folks are allowing him to use you as research subjects when you should be getting PAID for shring you information!
Posted by gardenergirl on June 2, 2005, at 15:23:34
In reply to Re: Medications to manage side effects of other meds, posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 9:50:44
> my opinion is based not on parkinson sufferers, so don't try to de-humanize what i said.
Please don't jump to conclusions about my post.
> do yourselves a favor, talk to someone who realy cares not a 2 bit internet med pimp doctor who is using you all as his med whores. was that offensive? or does the truth hurt?
To answer what your question implies, yes, I am offended. Please be supportive in your posts on this site.
gg
Posted by haddsl on June 2, 2005, at 15:36:31
In reply to Please be civil » Chron, posted by gardenergirl on June 2, 2005, at 15:23:34
> > my opinion is based not on parkinson sufferers, so don't try to de-humanize what i said.
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> Please don't jump to conclusions about my post.
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> > do yourselves a favor, talk to someone who realy cares not a 2 bit internet med pimp doctor who is using you all as his med whores. was that offensive? or does the truth hurt?
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> To answer what your question implies, yes, I am offended. Please be supportive in your posts on this site.
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> gg
This site DOES help people! This site is a place where all of us (who have usually felt alone with these problems) Can discuss them. Discuss our problems and solutions with medications and other plain 'ol anxiety and depression problems. If you HAVE actually read the past 5 years of post's you would see that many people ARE being helped and have said so many times on these posts. So please stay civial.
Posted by john berk on June 2, 2005, at 15:36:43
In reply to Re: Insomnia and depression, posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 10:01:20
HEY "DUDE", I DID READ WHAT I TYPED OUT, [ALTHOUGH IT WAS A TAD EARLY IN THE MORNING], BUT THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE WAS USING A SMALL DOSE OF AMBIEN, OR LOW DOSE TRAZADONE TO GET YOU THROUGH A SLEEP DEPRIVATION CRISIS DOES NOT MAKE ONE A LAB RAT FOR THE PHARMACUTICAL INDUSTRY.
YOUR POINT IS VALID, I REALIZE ALL ARE MOOD-ALTERING, BUT SHORT TERM RELEIF FOR SOMEONE SUFFERING IS SOMETIMES NECESSARY. ALSO CHRON, I APOLIGIZE FOR SUGGESTING THAT ALL POT IS PURCHASED ON THE STREET! HAVE A GOOD DAY....JOHN BERK
Posted by Phillipa on June 2, 2005, at 17:06:34
In reply to Re: Medications to manage side effects of other meds, posted by Chron on June 2, 2005, at 9:50:44
Chron, I don't feel you are being either fair or civil to other posters or Dr. Bob. Everyone here feels like a family. A lot of us have conversations in private either by Babblemail, or even E-mail. We are human beings with brains, and feelings. I don't know why you seem so angry but you also may be hurt. So I'll try not to judge your actions and remember that people with all types of problems converse here. Please try to respect the feelings of the others. Fondly, Phillipa
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