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Posted by willyee on May 29, 2005, at 17:28:27
I read a pretty long thread about dying on this page.I feel very similiar,thats why i dont understand why certain people themselves are terrfified of Maois or critique me for crossing the line.
I dont want to die,but living with this untreated disease is not living,its worse than death,so to me any option that might in the smallest way end it is somethiing ill do.
No pain no gain,nothing is ever accomplished staying in the "box" and i will continue to work with parnate until i fold whetehr from the disease itsself or the med.
Its the only class of medication that has ever worked,so its where i stay,but it is not enough,and i have no fear of dying in the midst of an interaction cause im a solidier and depression is an enemy and im well aware it migh end up taking my life so for me there is no rule book ill be the guinea pig just bring on the cheese and maois.
I WANT TO TAKE NARDIL AND PARNATE IN CONJUNCTION.I HAVENT THE TINIEST BIT OF FEAR OF IT.
Posted by Maxime on May 29, 2005, at 17:59:15
In reply to About the end, posted by willyee on May 29, 2005, at 17:28:27
I hear you.
When I switched over from Parnate to Nardil, my doctor said it was okay to Parnate and add the Nardil at night and then stop the Parnate. So not only did I have no washout, I actually took the two together! I had an awful response to Nardil but it may have been my asthma med. I am tempted to try taking the two together. I mean in a low dose of each, what could happen? I might get really sick, but that's it.
I just might try it.
Maxime
Posted by ed_uk on May 29, 2005, at 18:01:07
In reply to About the end, posted by willyee on May 29, 2005, at 17:28:27
>I WANT TO TAKE NARDIL AND PARNATE IN CONJUNCTION.I HAVENT THE TINIEST BIT OF FEAR OF IT.
You know what they say- start low, go slow!
Ed.
Posted by SLS on May 29, 2005, at 19:40:55
In reply to About the end, posted by willyee on May 29, 2005, at 17:28:27
> I WANT TO TAKE NARDIL AND PARNATE IN CONJUNCTION.I HAVENT THE TINIEST BIT OF FEAR OF IT.I wish I had the guts to try combining the two. I have been thinking about doing it for over 10 years. It doesn't really make sense that there should be a problem if they are both started at the same time. Unfortunately, to try to make sense of the brain is often a senseless task with what little we understand about it and the drugs we use to alter its function.
One caveat: One of my doctors at NYU tells me that he has seen his share of CVAs from people who have not followed the 14 day washout between taking the two drugs.
I am both intrigued and terrified at the thought of combining Parnate + Nardil. I have a good feeling about it, though. The thing is, how in the hell would I convince my doctor to give it a try? Damn.
- Scott
Posted by willyee on May 29, 2005, at 21:56:10
In reply to Re: About the end » willyee, posted by SLS on May 29, 2005, at 19:40:55
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> I wish I had the guts to try combining the two. I have been thinking about doing it for over 10 years. It doesn't really make sense that there should be a problem if they are both started at the same time. Unfortunately, to try to make sense of the brain is often a senseless task with what little we understand about it and the drugs we use to alter its function.
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> One caveat: One of my doctors at NYU tells me that he has seen his share of CVAs from people who have not followed the 14 day washout between taking the two drugs.
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> I am both intrigued and terrified at the thought of combining Parnate + Nardil. I have a good feeling about it, though. The thing is, how in the hell would I convince my doctor to give it a try? Damn.
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> - ScottUnfortunatly i doubt any doc will even listen to such an idea,and in their position rightfully so.
I have parnate locked down,getting nardil would be the only thing needed accomplishment.Feel free to email me anyone on either to discuss.
Posted by willyee on May 29, 2005, at 22:05:30
In reply to Re: About the end » willyee, posted by SLS on May 29, 2005, at 19:40:55
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> > I WANT TO TAKE NARDIL AND PARNATE IN CONJUNCTION.I HAVENT THE TINIEST BIT OF FEAR OF IT.
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> I wish I had the guts to try combining the two. I have been thinking about doing it for over 10 years. It doesn't really make sense that there should be a problem if they are both started at the same time. Unfortunately, to try to make sense of the brain is often a senseless task with what little we understand about it and the drugs we use to alter its function.
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> One caveat: One of my doctors at NYU tells me that he has seen his share of CVAs from people who have not followed the 14 day washout between taking the two drugs.
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> I am both intrigued and terrified at the thought of combining Parnate + Nardil. I have a good feeling about it, though. The thing is, how in the hell would I convince my doctor to give it a try? Damn.
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> - ScottIf you have a free moment and dont mind email me at brklyn234@yahoo.com..thanks
Posted by Maxime on May 29, 2005, at 22:12:16
In reply to Re: About the end, posted by willyee on May 29, 2005, at 21:56:10
Well I have both on hand to try. I just don't know what percentage of each to use. Of course I would try a low dose at first. But I don't think that ultimately I would want 50-50 ratio.
If you could do it, what ratio of Parnate to Nardil would you take?
Per mg what would the equivalency be? For instance how many mg of Parnate would the same as 15 mg of Nardil?
Maxime
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> > I wish I had the guts to try combining the two. I have been thinking about doing it for over 10 years. It doesn't really make sense that there should be a problem if they are both started at the same time. Unfortunately, to try to make sense of the brain is often a senseless task with what little we understand about it and the drugs we use to alter its function.
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> > One caveat: One of my doctors at NYU tells me that he has seen his share of CVAs from people who have not followed the 14 day washout between taking the two drugs.
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> > I am both intrigued and terrified at the thought of combining Parnate + Nardil. I have a good feeling about it, though. The thing is, how in the hell would I convince my doctor to give it a try? Damn.
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> > - Scott
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> Unfortunatly i doubt any doc will even listen to such an idea,and in their position rightfully so.
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> I have parnate locked down,getting nardil would be the only thing needed accomplishment.Feel free to email me anyone on either to discuss.
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Posted by Phillipa on May 29, 2005, at 22:31:03
In reply to Re: About the end, posted by Maxime on May 29, 2005, at 22:12:16
You know I have no experience with either of these drugs but could chemist help? Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by willyee on May 29, 2005, at 22:59:11
In reply to Re: About the end, posted by Maxime on May 29, 2005, at 22:12:16
> Well I have both on hand to try. I just don't know what percentage of each to use. Of course I would try a low dose at first. But I don't think that ultimately I would want 50-50 ratio.
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> If you could do it, what ratio of Parnate to Nardil would you take?
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> Per mg what would the equivalency be? For instance how many mg of Parnate would the same as 15 mg of Nardil?
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> Maxime
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> > > I am both intrigued and terrified at the thought of combining Parnate + Nardil. I have a good feeling about it, though. The thing is, how in the hell would I convince my doctor to give it a try? Damn.
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> > Unfortunatly i doubt any doc will even listen to such an idea,and in their position rightfully so.
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> > I have parnate locked down,getting nardil would be the only thing needed accomplishment.Feel free to email me anyone on either to discuss.
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>Thats easy whtehr or not parnate is reversable at least theres a debate,and for the most part we agree it leaves the most quickest.
Id take just one dose of nardil in the morning and the rest of the day take parnate,let the nardil morning dose at a low dose build up but always keeping it at a lower ratio sense its ire resable for sure.
Youre a lucky stiff to have both u tell ya pls keep us informed and be safe
Posted by gardenergirl on May 30, 2005, at 1:51:13
In reply to Re: About the end, posted by Maxime on May 29, 2005, at 17:59:15
Maxime,
I always wondered if the reaction you had to Nardil occured because you were still on Parnate.I wonder how you would do if you washed out the Parnate, first? Although I know if I had to wash out Nardil before taking something else, I don't know how the period without meds would go. It seems like it could be very very difficult.
gg
Posted by Cecilia on May 30, 2005, at 4:33:50
In reply to Re: About the end, posted by willyee on May 29, 2005, at 22:59:11
Don`t forget, a CVA doesn`t necessarily mean you`ll die. It could mean you spend the rest of your life in a nursing home, paralysed and unable to speak. but still conscious while someone wipes your bottom and spoons mushed food into your mouth. Cecilia
Posted by ed_uk on May 30, 2005, at 7:19:37
In reply to Re: About the end, posted by Cecilia on May 30, 2005, at 4:33:50
>Don`t forget, a CVA doesn`t necessarily mean you`ll die. It could mean you spend the rest of your life in a nursing home, paralysed and unable to speak. but still conscious while someone wipes your bottom and spoons mushed food into your mouth. Cecilia.
You're right, it's VERY scary, and VERY serious.
Maxime, I'm scared for you......... you had a bad reaction to Nardil- even when you took it on its own.
Ed.
Posted by ed_uk on May 30, 2005, at 7:21:11
In reply to Re: About the end » willyee, posted by SLS on May 29, 2005, at 19:40:55
>One caveat: One of my doctors at NYU tells me that he has seen his share of CVAs from people who have not followed the 14 day washout between taking the two drugs.
I wonder whether Nardil + Parnate is more or less dangerous than MAOI + stimulant???
Kind regards,
Ed.
Posted by ed_uk on May 30, 2005, at 7:27:12
In reply to About the end, posted by willyee on May 29, 2005, at 17:28:27
Willy,
Please consider your actions very carefully. A CVA (stroke) is extremely serious, I am worried about you.
Kind regards,
Ed.
Posted by SLS on May 30, 2005, at 8:06:54
In reply to Re: About the end, posted by Maxime on May 29, 2005, at 22:12:16
Maybe Nardil 60mg + Parnate 40mg
I have found that when using combinations of antidepressants, therapeutic dosages of both drugs were necessary.
- Scott
Posted by willyee on May 30, 2005, at 8:33:44
In reply to Re: About the end » SLS, posted by ed_uk on May 30, 2005, at 7:21:11
> >One caveat: One of my doctors at NYU tells me that he has seen his share of CVAs from people who have not followed the 14 day washout between taking the two drugs.
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> I wonder whether Nardil + Parnate is more or less dangerous than MAOI + stimulant???
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> Kind regards,
> Ed.
Good question,i appreciate the concern and myself i have no access to both so maximus would be more likly to attempt.As far as a stimulant ive used vivarin with parnate for over a year with no interaction,and currently use dexadrine.
Also oddly enough for me,as agitating as parnate can be for me as well,nardil wasnt much better in fact it made my ocd worse and made me very agigtated and did not help my depression,if this was due to the old nardil well ill never knoow that much.
Last if i ever attempt it,i would only dose once in the morning with nardil since its ireversable and let it build up,while hours later and the rest of the day dose with only parnate.Parnate seems to be mostly gone from my system the next morning and i have to start all over again,this is one of the problems.
For the record i take 20 mg parnate,a pieace of a 10 mg dexadrine,a pieace of a .25 mg klonopin,and partial of lopressor a beta blocker to ensure no reaction,or ensure as much as possable.
Depending on my mood if its extreme fatigue or opposite i will either add a small pieace of vivarin or nuerontion.
Sounds like a lot but they are pieaces of the tab which i like unlike parnate cause with pieaces i can adjust the dose to the least effective amount.
I just started this a few days now so the jurys not in,but im definatly squeazing my options out tight.Before a parnate nardil trial my last stop i can think of is looking into tegatrol+nuerontion to parnate,anyone know anything bout that,and max again if ur doing what we spoke of,please email me and keep everyone informed.Again i appreciate those who worry about me but sometimes u wont get anywhere if u dont venture out,if i choose to do it i know all the risks including ending up paralyzed,i single no kids we are the ones who should be more riskier had i a family of my own i would not be so risky.
Posted by Maxime on May 30, 2005, at 11:31:19
In reply to Re: About the end » Maxime, posted by gardenergirl on May 30, 2005, at 1:51:13
I don't know GG. My pdoc told me to do it that way and I did. One thing for sure, I will never take the max dosage of both together as suggested by SLS, I don't think my body could handle it. I was thinking more along the lines of 15 to 30 mg of Nardil with 30 Parnate but not to start of course.
I have a very high tolerance for Parnate and I don't have be careful with any of the dietary restrictions except soy sauce. I will have to test things out with the Nardil.
I don't know what to do!
MAxime
> Maxime,
> I always wondered if the reaction you had to Nardil occured because you were still on Parnate.
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> I wonder how you would do if you washed out the Parnate, first? Although I know if I had to wash out Nardil before taking something else, I don't know how the period without meds would go. It seems like it could be very very difficult.
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> gg
Posted by Maxime on May 30, 2005, at 11:33:11
In reply to Re: About the end » Cecilia, posted by ed_uk on May 30, 2005, at 7:19:37
> >Don`t forget, a CVA doesn`t necessarily mean you`ll die. It could mean you spend the rest of your life in a nursing home, paralysed and unable to speak. but still conscious while someone wipes your bottom and spoons mushed food into your mouth. Cecilia.
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> You're right, it's VERY scary, and VERY serious.
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> Maxime, I'm scared for you......... you had a bad reaction to Nardil- even when you took it on its own.
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> Ed.
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Thanks for your concern Ed. I will try a small amount of Nardil and see what happens.xxxx
Maxime
Posted by Maxime on May 30, 2005, at 11:35:55
In reply to Re: About the end » SLS, posted by ed_uk on May 30, 2005, at 7:21:11
> >One caveat: One of my doctors at NYU tells me that he has seen his share of CVAs from people who have not followed the 14 day washout between taking the two drugs.
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> I wonder whether Nardil + Parnate is more or less dangerous than MAOI + stimulant???
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> Kind regards,
> Ed.That's what I was thinking. Also, I don't plan on taking a max dose of each, so is it any different that taking any two other AD together that might cause seretonin syndrome?
Maxime
Posted by ed_uk on May 30, 2005, at 13:12:49
In reply to Re: About the end, posted by Maxime on May 30, 2005, at 11:35:55
Hi Maxi,
Rather than combining Nardil and Parnate, perhaps you could simply increase your Parnate dose. I've heard of people taking up to 200mg Parnate per day.
Ed xxx
Posted by Maxime on May 30, 2005, at 13:24:35
In reply to Re: About the end » Maxime, posted by ed_uk on May 30, 2005, at 13:12:49
> Hi Maxi,
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> Rather than combining Nardil and Parnate, perhaps you could simply increase your Parnate dose. I've heard of people taking up to 200mg Parnate per day.
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> Ed xxxHi Ed, once I go past 100-110, I really feel side effects and no improvement in my depression. I truly believe that Parnate is not able to be "mood brightening" for whatever reason. So although I do feel much better than I did, I am missing something. It was only when I read that Parnate does not help melancholy that THAT'S exactly what I am feeling ... melancholy. Looking back, it never has relieved melancholy.
I might try a low dose of Desipramine first. I lactated at 75 mg. Sigh. Or ask my pdoc if I can try the Tryptophan.
Maxime
Posted by ed_uk on May 30, 2005, at 13:33:42
In reply to Re: About the end » ed_uk, posted by Maxime on May 30, 2005, at 13:24:35
Hi Maxi,
Perhaps your pdoc would import isocarboxazid (Marplan). The tryptophan sounds like an interesting idea. It would be important to start with a very low dose, serotonin syndrome has been reported.
Ed xxx
Posted by gardenergirl on May 30, 2005, at 13:40:44
In reply to Re: About the end » gardenergirl, posted by Maxime on May 30, 2005, at 11:31:19
I wish I could tell you what would work for sure. I know you have been trying a lot in hopes of finding success.
I was surprised when your pdoc said to do that, but if he/she has had others do it before safely...(shrugs). I think if mine said it was okay, I would tend to believe her but be scared of it anyway.
((((Maxime))))
gg
Posted by Maxime on May 30, 2005, at 15:21:35
In reply to Re: About the end » Maxime, posted by gardenergirl on May 30, 2005, at 13:40:44
I was surprised as well and I asked him if he was sure if it was okay and he said yes. The man is nearing 80 and used MAOIs since they came out. I figured he must know what's okay and what's not!
Maxime
> I wish I could tell you what would work for sure. I know you have been trying a lot in hopes of finding success.
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> I was surprised when your pdoc said to do that, but if he/she has had others do it before safely...(shrugs). I think if mine said it was okay, I would tend to believe her but be scared of it anyway.
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> ((((Maxime))))
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> gg
Posted by Maxime on May 30, 2005, at 15:23:41
In reply to Re: About the end » Maxime, posted by ed_uk on May 30, 2005, at 13:33:42
> Hi Maxi,
>
> Perhaps your pdoc would import isocarboxazid (Marplan). The tryptophan sounds like an interesting idea. It would be important to start with a very low dose, serotonin syndrome has been reported.
>
> Ed xxxHi Ed
I know he would import it, but then I would have pay the full cost of the med and I can't afford it.
I know about the serotonin syndrome which is why I am not sure if he would be willing to do it.
Maxime
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