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Posted by willyee on April 28, 2005, at 18:15:27
I just added Neurontion to my parnate in very small amounts.....and well no go,i exper heavy heavy sweating and agigtation,anyone else have a issude adding Nuerontion to parnate,or any reason why the two are contradicting each other?
Posted by cubbybear on April 29, 2005, at 9:57:52
In reply to Parnate interaction, posted by willyee on April 28, 2005, at 18:15:27
> I just added Neurontion to my parnate in very small amounts.....and well no go,i exper heavy heavy sweating and agigtation,anyone else have a issude adding Nuerontion to parnate,or any reason why the two are contradicting each other?
I've been taking Parnate for 20 yrs. and first tried using Neurontin on top of it a few months ago. I was very happy to experience absolutely NO adverse effects. Don't know why you should have these problems, but obviously, you'll have to quit taking them together.
cubbybear
Posted by willyee on April 29, 2005, at 20:23:33
In reply to Re: Parnate interaction » willyee, posted by cubbybear on April 29, 2005, at 9:57:52
> > I just added Neurontion to my parnate in very small amounts.....and well no go,i exper heavy heavy sweating and agigtation,anyone else have a issude adding Nuerontion to parnate,or any reason why the two are contradicting each other?
>
> I've been taking Parnate for 20 yrs. and first tried using Neurontin on top of it a few months ago. I was very happy to experience absolutely NO adverse effects. Don't know why you should have these problems, but obviously, you'll have to quit taking them together.
> cubbybear
>
>I tweaked things a bit today and it seems fine,could have been something in my system perviously or who knows,but im running out of options so im gonna try to make it work,thanks for the response least now i know the **can** work unified.
Posted by Chairman_MAO on May 2, 2005, at 10:06:24
In reply to Re: Parnate interaction » willyee, posted by willyee on April 29, 2005, at 20:23:33
Have you ever tried buprenorphine on top of your parnate? I suggest getting the Parnate dose up to around 120mg/day and aiming for 0.15-0.3mg buprenorphine tid-qid. You can also use the suboxone tabs if you can get a script for them.
Posted by willyee on May 3, 2005, at 9:50:40
In reply to Re: Parnate interaction » willyee, posted by Chairman_MAO on May 2, 2005, at 10:06:24
> Have you ever tried buprenorphine on top of your parnate? I suggest getting the Parnate dose up to around 120mg/day and aiming for 0.15-0.3mg buprenorphine tid-qid. You can also use the suboxone tabs if you can get a script for them.
I have trouble getting the parnate dose so high because when i do it does work but the next day i feel as if its all gone and im back to scratch,would have been nice if higher tablets of the med would have been made avaialble.Also excuse my ignorance,do u mean wellbutrin,or buspar?
Posted by Joe1 on May 3, 2005, at 11:38:50
In reply to Re: Parnate interaction » willyee, posted by Chairman_MAO on May 2, 2005, at 10:06:24
You say you have been taking parnate 20 years
Question- Did it used to be a hard shell pill?
And now it's a film coating. If so , did you
notice any change in the way it works?I have been
on it for 4 months now and it is a far cry from the old nardil i use to take.Some days it works and some days it's not there- is that the way its
always been?Any info will help thank you
Joe
Posted by Chairman_MAO on May 3, 2005, at 20:10:36
In reply to Re: Parnate interaction, posted by willyee on May 3, 2005, at 9:50:40
What you should do is search the web for a supplier of bulk tranylcypromine [sulfate, hemisulfate, hydrochloride] powder. Then, get a scale accurate to a few milligrams. You can dose it out individually into capsules, or mix it with an inert ingredient (magnesium stearate, cellulose), buy a cap-m-qwik, and with a little practice, you can make, let's say, 25mg Parnate caps. That is what I did. I took 4 in the morning and then 1 every three hours starting 4-6 hours after the 100mg dose. If you can't take 100mg at once because of hypotension, split it up to around 30mg every 2 hours, you get the idea. When I went on buprenorphine, I switched to taking it all in the morning, because the bupe kept it from being overstimulating at night. The combo is basically a legal, safe, and healthy speedball.
Even if I had insurance, I probably would try to buy the bulk powder first, because it would be a royal pain carrying around 20 tablets.
Right now, because the bupe is doing so well, I am giving Nardil a shot to see if I like it overall more than Parnate. If I didn't have the bupe'e strong positive effect on motivation, Nardil probably wouldn't be enough.
Posted by Chairman_MAO on May 3, 2005, at 20:14:24
In reply to Re: Parnate interaction, posted by Joe1 on May 3, 2005, at 11:38:50
I haven't been on Parnate for 20 years, no. :)
The tablets I had were film-coated, rose-colored biconvex with "PARNATE" printed on them somewhat haphazardly.
Also, I am giving Nardil a trial for reasons I outlined in my previous post. I hope 60mg/day is enough to hold me considering this "new nardil" fiasco. I find it really odd that some people say they noticed no difference from the switch, and others were so sensitive to it. Maybe I'll just take it with bioperine, heh.
Posted by willyee on May 4, 2005, at 3:27:46
In reply to Re: Parnate interaction » willyee, posted by Chairman_MAO on May 3, 2005, at 20:10:36
> What you should do is search the web for a supplier of bulk tranylcypromine [sulfate, hemisulfate, hydrochloride] powder. Then, get a scale accurate to a few milligrams. You can dose it out individually into capsules, or mix it with an inert ingredient (magnesium stearate, cellulose), buy a cap-m-qwik, and with a little practice, you can make, let's say, 25mg Parnate caps. That is what I did. I took 4 in the morning and then 1 every three hours starting 4-6 hours after the 100mg dose. If you can't take 100mg at once because of hypotension, split it up to around 30mg every 2 hours, you get the idea. When I went on buprenorphine, I switched to taking it all in the morning, because the bupe kept it from being overstimulating at night. The combo is basically a legal, safe, and healthy speedball.
>
> Even if I had insurance, I probably would try to buy the bulk powder first, because it would be a royal pain carrying around 20 tablets.
>
> Right now, because the bupe is doing so well, I am giving Nardil a shot to see if I like it overall more than Parnate. If I didn't have the bupe'e strong positive effect on motivation, Nardil probably wouldn't be enough.Wow that is a post,this is possable,to find the actual chemical of the med and capsule it itself,if it is its outstanding id love to control the pill size i alreasy have a mg hand scale,so just do a google serach on the chemical,no synthesis or anything just pop it into the cap.
i used to do it with ghb but never thought a pharm med would be avaialbe in bulk
Posted by willyee on May 4, 2005, at 5:03:34
In reply to Re: Parnate interaction » willyee, posted by Chairman_MAO on May 2, 2005, at 10:06:24
> Have you ever tried buprenorphine on top of your parnate? I suggest getting the Parnate dose up to around 120mg/day and aiming for 0.15-0.3mg buprenorphine tid-qid. You can also use the suboxone tabs if you can get a script for them.
What a tease i just spent an hour researching Buprenorphine and it sounds perfect for what im looking for to top off parnate,but in that hour search i see its not something u can easly get.I just had a doc visit and i dont think shed appreciate me showing up and asking for it right now,man i need something to top parnate off pretty badly almost to the point where i cant use the med if i dont.
Posted by cubbybear on May 4, 2005, at 12:13:22
In reply to Re: Parnate interaction, posted by Joe1 on May 3, 2005, at 11:38:50
> You say you have been taking parnate 20 years
> Question- Did it used to be a hard shell pill?
> And now it's a film coating. If so , did you
> notice any change in the way it works?I have been
> on it for 4 months now and it is a far cry from the old nardil i use to take.Some days it works and some days it's not there- is that the way its
> always been?Any info will help thank you
> JoeJoe,
I think you're confusing 2 posters. I'm the one (cubbybear) who said he was on Parnate for 20 years. It has not changed formulation, I'm happy to say.
It is Nardil which has undergone a change in the last couple of years, so your questions should be directed to those who take Nardil.
cubbybear
Posted by Chairman_MAO on May 5, 2005, at 17:05:36
In reply to Re: Parnate interaction, posted by willyee on May 4, 2005, at 5:03:34
Buprenorphine has many studies backing up its use in treatment-resistant depression. Go to medline and get some references to show your doctor. If you need whole studies and have problems getting them, I will go to the medical library here at school and get you the PDFs or hard copies. Sure, it takes time o ut of my day, but no one should be denied access to one of the safest and best antidepressants on the planet just because of our nation's puritannical opiophobia.
Posted by Joe1 on May 5, 2005, at 20:58:31
In reply to Re: Parnate interaction » Joe1, posted by cubbybear on May 4, 2005, at 12:13:22
Cubbybear,i just found this post,sorry, I asked that question in another post.Yes, the nardil
did change -not good for me.
Chairman, Good luck with that Nardil. I'd start
off slowly, it has lots of side effects.
joe
Posted by willyee on May 6, 2005, at 10:34:24
In reply to Re: Parnate interaction » Joe1, posted by Joe1 on May 5, 2005, at 20:58:31
Just for the redord i called the company,on the phone they did not seem to much aware of any problems with nardil,i referred them to the main site.On the phone they sounded very conccnered with the situation,but i knew they were prob just first line defenses who dont know much.
Well sure enough today i recieved a ltter from ole pfizer themselves getting shot down,saying unfortunatly upon a single compliment the matter can "not" be looked into as they have a fine safety track record on the med,my single compliant would not be enough to do anything,im wondering the status from the thousands of users on the other group.
Posted by willyee on May 6, 2005, at 10:38:22
In reply to Re: Parnate interaction » willyee, posted by Chairman_MAO on May 5, 2005, at 17:05:36
> Buprenorphine has many studies backing up its use in treatment-resistant depression. Go to medline and get some references to show your doctor. If you need whole studies and have problems getting them, I will go to the medical library here at school and get you the PDFs or hard copies. Sure, it takes time o ut of my day, but no one should be denied access to one of the safest and best antidepressants on the planet just because of our nation's puritannical opiophobia.
Thank you very much,my docter is acutaly more willing to perescribe stuff when im strapped with info,its how i got her to start prescribing parnate augment meds she was afraid to augment it with anything until i brought her medical abstacts of all the combous tried with it.Now she listens to my suggestions when i ask to get combos,although she said no to wellbutrin which i got anyway and prob think she was right,eck what a combo vivarin and parnate mix much better even.
She ;lol just has this thing of constantly recomending anti pschs to me with parnate and they never work,shes prob gave me them all to try by now.Although alibilfy on its own seemd ehh ok.
Posted by Chairman_MAO on May 7, 2005, at 12:14:34
In reply to Re: Parnate interaction, posted by willyee on May 6, 2005, at 10:38:22
If you need me to email you some PDFs of studies, just send me some babblemail.
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