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Posted by dancingstar on January 22, 2005, at 15:12:33
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? » dancingstar, posted by not2late4u on January 22, 2005, at 15:00:15
Renee,
I have addressed it.
This is the same sort of verbiage as saying that one should be a Democrat or a Republican. I don't believe that Effexor does anything good in comparison to the kinds and numbers of people that are being harmed by it. No, Renee, I cannot see otherwise. Sorry.
You must have missed the places where I posted that it is good for people under some circumstances. I will repeat that it is good for people under some circumstances...not for most of us, not for the average person, not for the volume of prescriptions that make it one of the four to six most widely prescribed drugs in the country today. I just do not believe that it is. I do not think that it would be as widely prescribed as it had been in the past if Wyeth had been more forthcoming with its research about the side effects and the withdrawal problems.
You may feel differently. That is, indeed, your right.
Posted by not2late4u on January 22, 2005, at 15:23:04
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR?, posted by dancingstar on January 22, 2005, at 15:12:33
Well, we are at an impass. I dont feel you've heard me and at this point, Im ok with that. If you have ALL the stats on every person who has taken the drug and ALL the stats on how each person has done, then you might be able to pursuad me into believing that the majority of the people who take this drug fall into your category. And yes, I did read your post about who should/shouldnt take this drug. Well, I think that should be left up to the doctors, who should have all information needed to make a well informed presciption for someone. Has that been the case, probably not, that is one area where I support you. Good luck to you. Renee
Posted by not2late4u on January 22, 2005, at 15:31:15
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR?, posted by FaithT on January 22, 2005, at 9:41:51
Faith, thank you for seeing what I see and for supporting me. Renee
Posted by not2late4u on January 22, 2005, at 15:41:50
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? » not2late4u, posted by dancingstar on January 22, 2005, at 0:36:36
Bebe, this is NOT even what we've been debating. This "survey" is not my debate. I am not sure that you understand what I have been saying or others, like Faith, have been saying. We HAVE NOT denied side effects or withdraw symptoms, did you read our posts? MY DEBATE IS: you say things as factual for ALL OF US and its NOT factual for ALL of us. Please, please, please understand this. Renee
Posted by dancingstar on January 22, 2005, at 15:49:42
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? » dancingstar, posted by not2late4u on January 22, 2005, at 15:23:04
Renee,
I can gather information for you, but not right now. I need to pack, truly I do.
In the meantime, right here on this very site I ask that you read post after post where people have asked their doctors for help, and their doctors have not known what they were talking about. The doctors don't yet understand the severity of the problem because Wyeth has withheld the information, and since the bulk of the prescriptions have been within the last two to three years, we are now just hitting their offices in pain and with all sorts of symptoms from side effects as well as withdrawal.
Unfortunately, to send someone back to their doctor is to dismiss them, to tell them that there is no answer, that their problem is insignificant. Their doctors do not have the answers for them at this point.
Quite frankly, neither the doctors nor the people at the drug companies have taken these drugs for a couple of years, which would have been an excellent idea, so that they can be decent gunea pigs for the rest of us. If they had taken it, they would better understand what so many people have gone through. Why risk your nervous and cardiovascular systems if there is no real need to? Elavil is always a viable option for depression, and we know that that is safe. The truth about Effexor is just now beginning to surface. I cannot understand why you would encourage people to take a risk with their health when they are coming to a website asking for information, any information that might prevent their having a problem in the future.
Bebe
Posted by dancingstar on January 22, 2005, at 15:58:18
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? » dancingstar, posted by not2late4u on January 22, 2005, at 15:41:50
Renee,
I understand what you are saying.
Do you ever stop to think that I don't agree with the things that you post but that I don't tell you what to say? It is my understanding that this forum allows us each to express our own thoughts.Bebe
Posted by not2late4u on January 22, 2005, at 16:11:16
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR?, posted by dancingstar on January 22, 2005, at 15:58:18
Bebe, you have been quite offensive to me, I have spoken myself blue. Just trying to help you see we arent on opposing sides as much as you think we are. At this point I will say to all who read the posts now and in the future. Keep all things you read and research in mind when making a decision on your personal life, I have (again) not said whether or not Effexor is for you or not, you must make that decision. I am not on a crusade to advocate the use of or to ban the use of it. Bebe, I will no longer respond to your posts, I appreciate it if you would do the same. Best of luck to you, Renee.
Posted by Broken on January 22, 2005, at 16:35:35
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR?, posted by dancingstar on January 22, 2005, at 15:58:18
> Renee,
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> I understand what you are saying.
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> Do you ever stop to think that I don't agree with the things that you post but that I don't tell you what to say? It is my understanding that this forum allows us each to express our own thoughts.
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> Bebe
No offense intended Bebe, but I disagree with your post about Elavil. While it might be "less dangerous", for me, it is also, less effective. As in, no effect whatsoever that I could tell. Effexor is the only antidrepressant I have taken that has shown any effect. Also, I have experienced no side effects that are painful, or uncomfortable. I have definitely experienced sweating at night, but nothing like some of the things I have read here. That is NOT to say others haven't had an awful experience with the drug, but I still believe those are in the minority. The FDA home page shows all information on the drug has been disclosed, with the exception of what is currently being discussed in the UK. Also, a good number of warnings they have issued are not Effexor specific. This is also not to say I won't suffer withdrawal, I don't plan discontinuing the drug anytime soon, so that question will remain unanswered.
I am truly sorry that your doctor prescribed something that you did not need, and you suffered so terribly for it. Regardless, I blame your doctor for prescribing an anti-depressant for someone not suffering from depression.Take care of yourself and I wish you well..
Broken
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 22, 2005, at 17:11:27
In reply to NEVER NEVER **NEVER** Stop Effexor Suddenly!, posted by snakeadelic on January 22, 2005, at 1:49:57
> IS ANYONE SUING THE HOLY LIVING (UNLADYLIKE WORDS HERE) OUT OF THE MANUFACTURER YET?
Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to redirect follow-ups regarding suing to Psycho-Babble Social. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20050116/msgs/445808.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 22, 2005, at 17:25:03
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? » dancingstar, posted by not2late4u on January 22, 2005, at 16:11:16
> you have been quite offensive to me
Sorry, but please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
> At this point I will say to all who read the posts now and in the future. Keep all things you read and research in mind when making a decision on your personal life
That's a good idea, you might have more of an impact addressing them...
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by eeyorena on January 22, 2005, at 21:36:51
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? » dancingstar, posted by not2late4u on January 22, 2005, at 15:00:15
I have been following this thread for awhile. It has been very interesting, as I have been an advocate for depression relief for so very long.
I don't want to withhold depression relief from anyone. I don't think anyone here would ever, ever wish for that.
And I think there is one very important point that is being missed here.
Unlike many other things in life, drug approvals and drug safety are not democratic. Nor should they be.
I have a dear friend who's life improved substantially after she was given a prescription for Vioxx. She went from being in extreme pain to being able to function pretty well. Vioxx has never hurt her as far as we know. But there is a very good chance it may have caused heart attacks, strokes or death for others. I believe that consumers and the FDA were very right in pressuring Merck to withraw Vioxx from the market until further tests could be completed.
Because if one of my parents or someone I love had suffered a heart attack, stroke or even death as a result of Vioxx, I would be completely grief stricken.
The same thing is now happening with Reminyl. The post-market studies on this drug have shown some alarming possibilities. Within a certain period of time, an average of 5 people out of 100 not taking Reminyl pass away. On Reminyl, that number is 15 people out of 100.
But that's still okay, right? Because 90 people aren't possibly having these problems from the drug and might really be benefitting.
Well, no. Not exactly.
Under medical ethics, the medical community has a responsibility to not harm the patient more than they are helping them.
When that harm is possibly irreversible liver damage, heart attack, aneurysm, or death, those things are easier to measure and possibly easier to connect directly with a drug. While it is never easy to withhold treatment from a patient who is suffering--even based upon a risk--it is ethical to pursue and exhaust every other possible treatment if it means that you might be causing the patient further harm.
Sadly, with some meds, it is not always possible to know in advance how risks will affect a patient. And when those risks are extremely hard to measure, especially in the behavioral sciences, it is even harder to predict.
I think that is why Effexor bears much scrutiny. I am sure that it is helping someone somewhere, otherwise it never would have made it onto the market. So, yes, of course it is.
However--and for the those who might suffer or have to (yet again) try another course of treatment I am truly truly sorry and sad--I think enough patients have suffered from this med's withdrawal effects and possible long term effects for it to be withdrawn from the market pending further testing. It is not okay for even 10 people out of 100 to possibly suffer from long term life-disabling effects from any drug.
If it is not withdrawn from the market, I think at the very least that it should be put under investigation with warnings released to the public. That way, patients will know in advance what the risks are and that they should pursue all other treatment options available to them first (there are many--many SSRI's, tricyclics, and MAOI's have been around longer than Effexor).
I've suffered from chronic depression for over 20 years. I know how devestating it can be. I'm also convinced that drug companies are too hasty to take drugs to market because of the possible beneficial effects on stock price and desire to beat out the competition. I know this...because I was a consultant in and around this industry. I have a lot to be thankful for that is directly related to pharamaceutical advancements. But I also am extremely committed to appropriate testing and patient safety.
As always, anyone else's mileage may vary.
Posted by dancingstar on January 22, 2005, at 22:10:51
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR?, posted by eeyorena on January 22, 2005, at 21:36:51
Thank you. Thank you.
Posted by S. Bartel on January 22, 2005, at 23:40:41
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR?, posted by eeyorena on January 22, 2005, at 21:36:51
Very well said. Thanks
Sammi
Posted by not2late4u on January 23, 2005, at 1:04:09
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR?, posted by eeyorena on January 22, 2005, at 21:36:51
You said it well. I believe I've said alot of the same things only in different words.
Posted by not2late4u on January 23, 2005, at 1:16:48
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? » dancingstar, posted by Broken on January 22, 2005, at 16:35:35
Broken, thank you and I agree with your response. Also glad have been successful. God Bless, Renee.
Posted by not2late4u on January 23, 2005, at 1:21:13
In reply to Re: please be civil » not2late4u, posted by Dr. Bob on January 22, 2005, at 17:25:03
Bob, didnt intend to make anyone feel accused, it is how I feel. I will not be corresponding directly with dancingstar any longer, shouldnt have any further issues with me. thanks for your insight, Renee.
Posted by winddancer on January 23, 2005, at 1:28:25
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR?, posted by eeyorena on January 22, 2005, at 21:36:51
I just found this site. Many people speak of the horrid side-effects of Effexor or of the withdrawal. Would someone be willing to share what those side effects are that some people experience.
I went back about 20 or 30 e-mails and didn't find a good description of the side-effects but much comment about how bad they were.
I take 150mg XR. I am experiencing tingling in fingers and tongue and inside my mouth and food doesn't taste like much and don't know if its due to the drug. I was on more meds for anxiety and depression about 4-6 months ago and have gotten off the Neurontin, the Remeron, the Klonapin, and HRT Primpro, happily, but have this sensation and don't know if it's some untreated anxiety or or an effect of the drug. I also have a good bit of body ache that I'm trying to resolve. And I seem to be a bit wired all the time and have trouble staying asleep for more than 2 hrs at a time in the night. I'm 59, post-menopausal. Also have the stress trying to find work to support myself for the past 2-3 years and will be starting a new great job next week. I live alone.
Thanks for any feedback.
Winddancer
Posted by not2late4u on January 23, 2005, at 2:29:08
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? » eeyorena, posted by winddancer on January 23, 2005, at 1:28:25
HI, I am a bit afraid to express my opinion, but will because I dont know how to bablemail you my response and I want to help you.
My personal side effects while taking Effexor: for me, lack of motivation existed prior to taking it (was on paxil before and experienced it then too) brain zaps, experienced on both effexor and paxil. Weight gain on paxil, no gain on effexor, just nearly impossible to take it off. Seemed like the higher the dose the more muscle aches/weakness I had, but that could be from lack of magnesium and or my low thyroid, I dont know for sure but maybe a combination of both, but when I went from 150mg to 225mg, it seemed that my muscle weakness increased rapidly, but was it a result from being so lazy and out of shape from no motivation, I dont know! Migraines, especially when exercising or exerting myself. I dont think MY personal effexor side effects where horrible or unbearable, undesirable, yes, but for ME the good outweighed the bad. I am now tapering off because Im ready and I will have a better picture of what was side effects of effexor and what was my low thyroid and nutritional imbalances. I wont be back to this thread, so if you wish to talk to me further, feel free to bablemail me if you can figure it out :) Renee
Posted by dancingstar on January 23, 2005, at 2:38:07
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? » eeyorena, posted by winddancer on January 23, 2005, at 1:28:25
Hi Winddancer,
Happy to help :-)
I had a link handy, and then I lost it, never to be able to find it again...don't ya know. Spent the next hour wandering around the internet, got blocked out of the stuff I wanted by yahoo and went in through askjeeves instead, but it brought me right back here, sort of, but a long time ago and differently. Check this link out, I think you might find it very interesting. Don't know quite how I got there. That must be why they call it "surfing" :
http://depression.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.dr%2Dbob.org/tips/split/Antidepressant%
2Ddiscontinua.htmlMore simple information here:
http://www.crazymeds.org/effexor.html
And here is a link that shows that at least in part the basis for prescribing Effexor for hot flashes is based on a mere 12-week study, which does not seem to be long enough to reach realistic conclusions about how it works on our bodies in my opinion:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050104/hl_nm/hot_flashes_dc_1
Those should keep you busy for a while.
Posted by dancingstar on January 23, 2005, at 3:05:19
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? » winddancer, posted by dancingstar on January 23, 2005, at 2:38:07
Don't you know I had to go and screw up the link. I'm so sorry! Let me try again.
http://www.dr-bob.org/tips/split/Antidepressant-discontinua.html
Posted by dancingstar on January 23, 2005, at 3:59:33
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? » dancingstar, posted by dancingstar on January 23, 2005, at 3:05:19
Here is one more kewl site that I found where it seems as though health professionals and others answer people's questions about antidepressants. I think maybe some of you have already found it, but in case you haven't, it might be helpful to someone.
It appears to me as though the health professionals that are answering the withdrawal questions re Effexor are telling it pretty straight at this point, even online.
Yours for the reading:
Posted by corafree on January 23, 2005, at 12:39:40
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR?, posted by dancingstar on January 23, 2005, at 3:59:33
Hey all.
Dancingstar, I only see computer jibberish on post? Was that to make a point about manufacturer's, etc., or did it come out wrong on the post?
Have a question for anyone ...
I feel like my anxiety is breaking through the Eff-XR; lately more agoraphobic.
I have anxiety and panic attacks. Think ya' know I'm considered borderline.
My father's death anniversary is coming closer, so it could be that; lady upstairs says smoke from my condo is coming into hers (?!); focus on how this whole borderline thing came about in me and how I shouldn't care(?!) ... those kind of outside factors.
Could I possibly have gotten so used to Eff-XR, that now I am needing more?
Any suggestions sincerely appreciated. cf
Posted by dancingstar on January 23, 2005, at 12:47:39
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? » dancingstar, posted by corafree on January 23, 2005, at 12:39:40
Hi CF,
How are you?
Click the link. It works.
Bebe
Posted by winddancer on January 23, 2005, at 13:06:41
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR?, posted by dancingstar on January 23, 2005, at 12:47:39
Thanks Dancingstar,
I'm starting to go through the info on the links. It sounds like I'm on some pretty dreadful stuff - but maybe it saved me at the time. I was trying to blame my maladies on other things but now feel that there is a good chance that they are mostly Effexor related.
Thanks for all your work finding all that good information. Geez, isn't it amazing what the pharm companies don't want to share with you. Also what they probably don't really want to know about.
Winddancer
Posted by dancingstar on January 23, 2005, at 13:11:15
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? » dancingstar, posted by winddancer on January 23, 2005, at 13:06:41
omg, you won't believe what i'm reading now.... here. you can flip through it at will. i've been right all along. 1995.
http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pt/search.pl
watch out for the benadryl!!!!!! omg
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