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Posted by CatFanatic on September 16, 2004, at 18:25:35
Anyone her have Avoidant Personality Disorder and/or Dependent Personality Disorder?
Is there any hope?An awful big mountain to climb.
SAD, APD, and DPD and severe/extreme depression feed on one another in an endless dark cycle. Since only .5 to 1 percent of the population has APD, looks like no one know wat to do about it except exposur therapy. Going to an office wuldn't work then. Would imagine that a shrink would have to actually socialize with me. I'm ruined
Posted by zeugma on September 16, 2004, at 19:20:40
In reply to CLuster C Personality Disorders, posted by CatFanatic on September 16, 2004, at 18:25:35
> Anyone her have Avoidant Personality Disorder and/or Dependent Personality Disorder?
>
> Is there any hope?An awful big mountain to climb.
> SAD, APD, and DPD and severe/extreme depression feed on one another in an endless dark cycle. Since only .5 to 1 percent of the population has APD, looks like no one know wat to do about it except exposur therapy. Going to an office wuldn't work then. Would imagine that a shrink would have to actually socialize with me. I'm ruinedno, don't give up, it is an awful big mountain but not completely hopeless. I have AvPD along with numerous other diagnoses and it is not a pleasant disorder, but Klonopin helps, and other interventions including therapy (CBT was terrible for me but I can't draw conclusions from that). There is no doubt that Cluster C PD's complicate treatment, but they don't render treatment impossible. What treatments have you tried so far?
-z
Posted by CatFanatic on September 16, 2004, at 19:51:33
In reply to CLuster C Personality Disorders, posted by CatFanatic on September 16, 2004, at 18:25:35
Tried CBT and ssris for 3 months. Was able to attend a graduate course standardized test prep course and relearned 4 undergraduate science courses in 3 months. Afterwards, my ugly bitch shrink said I wasn't improving fast enough so gave up on me. I should have sued that chunt. Is that legal for a shrink to tell aa pateint if you don't improve, I won't treat you anymore? Do I have a legal case even though that was 6 years ago, and I went back to her 3 years later, and my case is now closed? Any lawyers here?
Well I was screwed. SO I got more angry, angrier than I have ever been. I actually went back to here 3 years later . Imagine that. I am so screwed up , that I went back to someone who screed me up. How about that for low self- esteem, dysfunctional decision making and dependency. Quit after a few months becasue the bitch gave up on me again. She stopped calling me for appointments after she made a home visit. Again. Can I sue??
Question. i see the same peole here for years. Does ANYONE get better? ANYONE??? Psychiatry is such a fraud. The idiots with the lowest grades in med school become shrinks. Lots of immigrant, especially Indian shrinks. Notice that? That should be a dead giveaway the level of incompetence.
Anyone here get better? i think the only one is someone named Dinah, whoever she is.
Posted by zeugma on September 16, 2004, at 20:14:47
In reply to Re: CLuster C Personality Disorders, posted by CatFanatic on September 16, 2004, at 19:51:33
I don't understand the inference from nationality to competence in psychiatry. It sounds like a Cluster C personality disorder is the least of your worries.
-z
Posted by alexandra_k on September 16, 2004, at 21:44:46
In reply to Re: CLuster C Personality Disorders, posted by CatFanatic on September 16, 2004, at 19:51:33
There is meant to be something unethical about continuing to see a client when there is no evidence that seeing them is effective / of any benefit. Of course just who gets to make that call and decide whether you have gotten any better or not is a bit dodgey - I have had problems with people giving up on me and saying I haven't improved enough for them to continue working with me and I was devastated - I thought I was progressing well enough...
I have sympathy for your anger - I feel like that a lot at times. I do say that I have to disagree with you with respect to 'the idiots with the lowest grades in med school become shrinks'. I disagree because I think that to be an MD at all you have to do fairly well, and to specialise at all you have to do very well indeed. We get lots of Eastern shrinks over here - but then that is because they get more in the conversion to $NZ; we are (in general) a nice country to live in (Better than living in a place where there is a war on, no doubt), and most of ours immigrate over there, would you believe.
I do have to say that while I understand your anger your comment on that struck me as racist - in the sense that others are likely to respond to you with anger in kind.
Psychiatry isn't a science (with respect to psychotherapy - only with respect to meds). People often say that they feel better, or that they have improved in their functioning - so does that count as 'getting better' in your book?
I don't have a dx of 'avoidant personality disorder' but that is probably because there are only so many lines provided for diagnosis! t's often tell me that I am particularly avoidant. But I believe that (in general) I am getting better, I am improving. While I may never reach the ideal of the other end of the bell curve - sometimes I FEEL better and I am better able to do what I want to do with my life so I think I have improved though I have a long way to go.
Good luck to you
Posted by cache-monkey on September 17, 2004, at 1:59:45
In reply to Re: CLuster C Personality Disorders, posted by CatFanatic on September 16, 2004, at 19:51:33
<< Tried CBT and ssris for 3 months. Was able to attend a graduate course standardized test prep course and relearned 4 undergraduate science courses in 3 months. Afterwards, my ugly bitch shrink said I wasn't improving fast enough so gave up on me. I should have sued that chunt. Is that legal for a shrink to tell aa pateint if you don't improve, I won't treat you anymore? Do I have a legal case even though that was 6 years ago, and I went back to her 3 years later, and my case is now closed? Any lawyers here?
Well I was screwed. SO I got more angry, angrier than I have ever been. I actually went back to here 3 years later . Imagine that. I am so screwed up , that I went back to someone who screed me up. How about that for low self- esteem, dysfunctional decision making and dependency. Quit after a few months becasue the bitch gave up on me again. She stopped calling me for appointments after she made a home visit. Again. Can I sue??
Question. i see the same peole here for years. Does ANYONE get better? ANYONE??? Psychiatry is such a fraud. The idiots with the lowest grades in med school become shrinks. Lots of immigrant, especially Indian shrinks. Notice that? That should be a dead giveaway the level of incompetence.
Anyone here get better? i think the only one is someone named Dinah, whoever she is. >>
Hi CatFanatic,
That sounds ridiculously unprofessional on the part of your psychiatrist. What a horrible experience to have gone through. I'm not sure what the legal framework is, but there's probably some sort of medical board that you could report her to. I'm so sorry that you had to go through that experience.
As far as people getting better, I think that many people do. The road can be long and frustrating, and it's definitely not continously smooth progress. I think that it's useful and important to have a competant and caring therapist or psychiatrist involved in the process. Someone that "fits" well with your needs. This woman definitely wasn't that, but she's also not the norm. Have you considered looking around for someone else?
My initial therapy experience was pretty bad (although not like what you've been through). But after I realized the huge variation in competancy and fit, I went out and did sessions with a bunch of therapists before finding one that worked really well for my needs. The search process took some time and energy, which was agonizing, given how depressed I was at that moment. But I've made far more progress in the last 6 months with my new therapist than I did for the 2 years that I was with the old one. I highly recommend doing a search like this if you can manage it.
Final thing: I realize that you're very angry right now. (And with good reason!) But, I take issue with your insinuation that foreign doctors are somehow incompetant. The doctors that come over to the United States tend to be the best of the best from their home countries. To get into med school you already have to be at the top. (So, since you brought up India, that's the best of the best of the best out of over a billion people.) And not only do they have to go through the whole process of medical school and residency in their home country, they have to do an additional residency in the US once they come here. So they're even more highly trained than our native doctors.
Maybe you've had some bad experiences with immigrant psychiatrists that have driven you toward that opinion. Or maybe it's been another matter of "fit". But please don't cast aspersions on entire groups of people based on those few experiences. It smacks of bigotry. It might be more constructive to channel that energy into something positive, like finding someone who you match well with.
Good luck to you,
cache-monkey
Posted by CatFanatic on September 17, 2004, at 9:06:55
In reply to Re: CLuster C Personality Disorders, posted by zeugma on September 16, 2004, at 20:14:47
Sorry, I'm just extrmeely angry.Ifeel so betrayed for the umpteenth time in my life. SO many knives stuck into myback.
Posted by CatFanatic on September 17, 2004, at 9:12:21
In reply to Re: CLuster C Personality Disorders, posted by cache-monkey on September 17, 2004, at 1:59:45
I apologize for my angry outburst. However, because I have SVPD and DPD, I have this nasty, illogical habit of clinging on to the first person I come into contact with, even socially, even if they are abusive and not at all good for me. I am so desperate when it comes to human contact. God thing I never encountered a serial killer or Charles Manson types. I'm easy prey. I am unable to dissassociate myself from them, and years later I fel so much anger and shame. Viccious catch 22.
Posted by cache-monkey on September 17, 2004, at 12:53:40
In reply to Re: CLuster C Personality Disorders » cache-monkey, posted by CatFanatic on September 17, 2004, at 9:12:21
<< I apologize for my angry outburst. However, because I have SVPD and DPD, I have this nasty, illogical habit of clinging on to the first person I come into contact with, even socially, even if they are abusive and not at all good for me. I am so desperate when it comes to human contact. God thing I never encountered a serial killer or Charles Manson types. I'm easy prey. I am unable to dissassociate myself from them, and years later I fel so much anger and shame. Viccious catch 22. >>
I understand, actually. I've been through the same a few times over my life, although maybe not to such an extent.
But, recognizing that, I do think there would be something to be gained from looking for someone else for therapy and/or meds. There are caring and competant people out there who might be able to really help you with what you've been going through. It might take a some work to find them, especially given your psychological constraints. But don't give up yet!
You're not alone in this.
cache-monkey
Posted by zeugma on September 17, 2004, at 19:15:58
In reply to Re: CLuster C Personality Disorders, posted by CatFanatic on September 17, 2004, at 9:06:55
> Sorry, I'm just extrmeely angry.Ifeel so betrayed for the umpteenth time in my life. SO many knives stuck into myback.
>I understand what it's like to feel betrayed by people who are supposed to help you. I'm sorry you have had such a hard time with psychiatrists and life in general. I think this particular environment, although it has its problems, can offer therapeutic possibilities. I'm glad that others have responded to you too and that maybe you won't feel so isolated :)
-z
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