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Posted by yoyoma on February 18, 2004, at 17:45:17
i used to smoke pot and drop exstacy and throw parties as the social chair of my fraternity. Now I am a recluse, have anxiety, depression, and no sexual feeling whatsoever. i just saw a psychiatrist the other day but i dont want to be on a ton of meds but at the same time i want to feel alive once again like i used to. i feel like an old man when i am only 23...
Posted by crazychickuk on February 18, 2004, at 18:44:48
In reply to i have alot of problems, posted by yoyoma on February 18, 2004, at 17:45:17
I hear you yo yo same past here, try an snri such as reboxatine... i dont recommend effexor... snri has a higher affect than any drugs.. you obviousley need a med cus you have a chemical imbalance caused by the drugs..
Regards
Donna
Posted by yoyoma on February 18, 2004, at 18:50:20
In reply to Re: i have alot of problems, posted by crazychickuk on February 18, 2004, at 18:44:48
thanks, ill look into that med. this is my first time on dr-bob.org and it feels good knowing other people out there can relate to each other.
Posted by crazychickuk on February 18, 2004, at 18:54:49
In reply to Re: i have alot of problems, posted by crazychickuk on February 18, 2004, at 18:44:48
No probs........ reboxatine is also called edonax (sp) gives you a little high feeling.. well it did for me... safer than extacy...
Posted by crazychickuk on February 18, 2004, at 18:55:47
In reply to Re: i have alot of problems, posted by crazychickuk on February 18, 2004, at 18:54:49
Oppps nearly fogot ask for remeron (zicpin) to combat the sexual affects from any meds.. its gr8 for that, it will also bring you down at night...
Regards
Donna
Posted by Chairman_MAO on February 18, 2004, at 18:59:50
In reply to i have alot of problems, posted by yoyoma on February 18, 2004, at 17:45:17
I have an extensive history of drug use/abuse. I've used just about everything besides PCP (which no one should ever touch, not even animals). Although I didn't do too much ecstasy (because of neurotoxicity, and from what I'm starting to see it was a wise move), I know what feeling "burned out" is like. I doubt what you're feeling now is due to pot use, save maybe some of the depression and inability to feel pleasure.
How recently did you cease drug use? I can tell you that thinks get a lot better as the months go by. I haven't been "clean" for more than about four months, and I probably won't be "clean" from pot for many years (although I am now while my meds are being figured out).
Let your psychiatrist do his thing, and do not object to being on "a lot of meds". If you felt no qualms about taking a metaphorical brillo pad to your brain with all that Ecstasy, you shouldn't resist taking meds that might actually help you.
How much X did you do, and in what dosages? My psychopharm professor told me there is zero worry if you take 1 pill per month. I am assuming you did a lot more than that. He also told me that Alexander Shulgin, the psychopharmacologist/chemist who reintroduced MDMA to the country in the 70s, used it for writing EVERY WEEKEND and suffered no ill effects.
If you have any questions, please ask. I and tons of other people here would be more than happy to help. I feel for you, and know what you're going through. Vow not to use drugs again at least until you have your meds worked out, and even then I do not recommend anything except moderate alcohol and marijuana consumption. Leave the MDMA alone. I've had so many shrinks tell me horror stories about patients they've had who will probably have to be on a lifetime course of SSRIs to compensate for the damage induced by excessive X abuse.
Be well man, and hang on; it is so rewarding when you step back into the light!
Posted by yoyoma on February 18, 2004, at 19:13:19
In reply to Re: i have alot of problems, posted by crazychickuk on February 18, 2004, at 18:55:47
> Oppps nearly fogot ask for remeron (zicpin) to combat the sexual affects from any meds.. its gr8 for that, it will also bring you down at night...
>
> Regards
> Donnai just did some research on reboxetine and it says that it is not approved in the US so it would be impossible for me to get. how do you do it?
Posted by yoyoma on February 18, 2004, at 19:17:20
In reply to Re: i have alot of problems » yoyoma, posted by Chairman_MAO on February 18, 2004, at 18:59:50
> I have an extensive history of drug use/abuse. I've used just about everything besides PCP (which no one should ever touch, not even animals). Although I didn't do too much ecstasy (because of neurotoxicity, and from what I'm starting to see it was a wise move), I know what feeling "burned out" is like. I doubt what you're feeling now is due to pot use, save maybe some of the depression and inability to feel pleasure.
>
> How recently did you cease drug use? I can tell you that thinks get a lot better as the months go by. I haven't been "clean" for more than about four months, and I probably won't be "clean" from pot for many years (although I am now while my meds are being figured out).
>
> Let your psychiatrist do his thing, and do not object to being on "a lot of meds". If you felt no qualms about taking a metaphorical brillo pad to your brain with all that Ecstasy, you shouldn't resist taking meds that might actually help you.
>
> How much X did you do, and in what dosages? My psychopharm professor told me there is zero worry if you take 1 pill per month. I am assuming you did a lot more than that. He also told me that Alexander Shulgin, the psychopharmacologist/chemist who reintroduced MDMA to the country in the 70s, used it for writing EVERY WEEKEND and suffered no ill effects.
>
> If you have any questions, please ask. I and tons of other people here would be more than happy to help. I feel for you, and know what you're going through. Vow not to use drugs again at least until you have your meds worked out, and even then I do not recommend anything except moderate alcohol and marijuana consumption. Leave the MDMA alone. I've had so many shrinks tell me horror stories about patients they've had who will probably have to be on a lifetime course of SSRIs to compensate for the damage induced by excessive X abuse.
>
> Be well man, and hang on; it is so rewarding when you step back into the light!haha. i want to step back into the limelight for sure. i didnt do that much exstacy relative to most ppl(20 pills spaced over 8 months i believe). But i cant even smoke pot ocassionally now because i always get tense, paranoid, and feel alot of pain...exactly all the opposite effects it used to have on me before when i enjoyed it.
I havent done e for over 3 years now and dont plan to touch any illegal substances in the future (except pot of course). what do you think? thanks for relating.
Posted by bipolarspectrum on February 18, 2004, at 20:04:36
In reply to Re: DA Agonist Trivastal (Piribedil), posted by yoyoma on February 18, 2004, at 19:17:20
Hey,
I'm 22 for the record.. if you want reboxetine, you can order it online into ur country.. im from canada wheres its not available but i was able to attain it through an internet website.. some xxx site... anywayz, i didnt reboxetine, but its a pure norepine drug with minimal anti-cholinergic... nice but caused insomnia in yours truly.. good luck
Posted by jdgjdg on February 18, 2004, at 20:49:51
In reply to Re: i have alot of problems, posted by crazychickuk on February 18, 2004, at 18:44:48
Did you have problems before you did the drugs? I used to do acid, extasy, etc. etc. I used them to self-medicate other problems. I'm sure they don't help your issues, but they may not be the cause. Why were you doing them in the first place? How long did you do them? How frequently did you do them? I think it is very important that you discuss this with a psychiatrist. I believe these drugs can cause a chemical imbalance, but only a dr. can confirm that. Good luck...jdgjdg
Posted by Tom G on February 18, 2004, at 21:46:21
In reply to i have alot of problems, posted by yoyoma on February 18, 2004, at 17:45:17
Your situation sounds alot like mine. I too used drugs pretty heavily in college. I'm now 28. At first I started smoking pot and it was cool for a year or maybe less but when I introduced the other drugs it all went downhill. I only did X about 5 or 6 times in 2 years, but I probably used acid hundreds of times. Smoking pot turned into a nightmare for me. I got super paranoid and felt physically ill like you said. I could hardly even speak the English language when I smoked. The experiences I had on X after the first time were also terrible. I don't know if I got bad X or what but my first time on it was great and all the other times were hell. I felt as if I was dying on some of the tabs that I took. I've thought for awhile that maybe the drugs have caused my mental problems, but several pdocs have explained to me that the drugs were the spark that lit the fire and that no matter what the bipolar II that I am diagnosed with would have come out sooner or later despite the illegal drug use. I kinda hope that they're right. Hope you get on the right path. Discuss with your doctor in depth how you feel and be on the watch for any bipolar symptoms before they throw an SSRI at you .
Tom
Posted by jimmygold70 on February 18, 2004, at 22:27:29
In reply to i have alot of problems, posted by yoyoma on February 18, 2004, at 17:45:17
Yoyoma, you are a young man. I can't blame pot and E for your trouble - I hardly believe they can cause anxiety and depression. But any drug that causes perceptual disturbances can TRRIGER depression in those prone individuals. Depression includes anxiety and loss of sexual drive.
Now your best bet is to try an antidepressant, I like Celexa and Effexor but other options are good as well.
Give a smile - you don't have A LOT OF PROBLEMS. You have a simple treatable problem.
Jimmy
> i used to smoke pot and drop exstacy and throw parties as the social chair of my fraternity. Now I am a recluse, have anxiety, depression, and no sexual feeling whatsoever. i just saw a psychiatrist the other day but i dont want to be on a ton of meds but at the same time i want to feel alive once again like i used to. i feel like an old man when i am only 23...
Posted by thinkfast on February 19, 2004, at 4:13:12
In reply to Re: i have alot of problems » yoyoma, posted by jimmygold70 on February 18, 2004, at 22:27:29
hey yo...I'm in the same boat as well...pot was my daily anxiety fix for a couple of years, but like you, it now had adverse effects on me...very strange...after I quit the weed, my world turned upside down and anxiety and depression came up fast...panic attacks after the acid...Someone suggested Remeron, and that would be a good bet...it almost reminded me of being stoned--you'll sleep like a rock and be in haze all day...I quit the remeron for this reason, but It deffinently helped in the beginning....anyway, things get better slowly.....i've been sober 2 years but sill have a long way to go...good luck...peace
Posted by terrics on February 19, 2004, at 16:46:03
In reply to i have alot of problems, posted by yoyoma on February 18, 2004, at 17:45:17
If all else fails ask pdoc if ECT might work for you. terrics
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 19, 2004, at 18:10:00
In reply to Re: DA Agonist Trivastal (Piribedil), posted by bipolarspectrum on February 18, 2004, at 20:04:36
> im from canada wheres its not available but i was able to attain it through an internet website.. some xxx site...
Please don't use this site to exchange information that could be used to import into the US medication that hasn't been approved by the FDA:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal
Thanks,
Bob
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