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Posted by Omega Woman on January 3, 2004, at 13:29:26
I've been on this forum before espounding the various prescription drugs I've tried. Then I lost the password for my Omega man handle.
Since then I've continued to take the Drug combo in the title and I feel I'm doing pretty well. I'm not getting so crazy. (I suffer moderate mood instability,anxiety, mild psychosis in the form of a racing brain and Seasonal depressions)
Doing something unique seems to be causing a very slight problems with my NHS Doctor. That is trying to explain my personal success with this medication combo, and that the combination is definetly greater than the sum of its parts. I suppose the proof is the fact that I have'nt been here in 18 months.
Zopiclone seems to catalyse Omega 3 and offset its negative aspects (Lack of focus and physical hyperactivity). Taking Zopiclone on its own will just knock you out, and the fact that its a sleeper is hard for a doctor to reconcile it has a suitable daytime use. I have a research paper that proves Zopiclone is an effective anxiolytic in low doses, which is how I take it.
What seems to happen is when zopiclone is taken with omega 3 and a good hot cheese meal its like....being reborn 3 times daily...Quite truly..no sleepiness, absolute awakening. This feeling is to blow the psychosis out my brain. I've now stopped all my illegal pleasure seeking..drugs, crime..everything
Now that i've being doing this drug/holistic treatment 2-3 times a day for 18 months, i'm inclined to feel this is a stable winner. All this time Things have got better. I never used to travel. Now I do regularly. I feel I have a better grip on reality. I used to get crazy and now I am quite level and can handle stress reasonably well.
I'd rather not take anything..but the fact is I feel sure what i'm doing is healthy. If I were to read about taking Zopiclone out of context it would say I have no insight, and Zopiclone is a drug of abuse.
Does this mean I'm getting high ?
Posted by linkadge on January 3, 2004, at 15:52:03
In reply to Zopiclone and Omega 3 is it High or healthy ?, posted by Omega Woman on January 3, 2004, at 13:29:26
No I think you are doing very well. Infact I had great sucess with an anticonvulsant and omega 3. If for some reason your doctor things that this is unreasonable, you may want to try depakote and omega 3, or perhaps klonazepam and omega 3.
Good Luck
Linkadge
Posted by Jaynee on January 3, 2004, at 17:46:17
In reply to Zopiclone and Omega 3 is it High or healthy ?, posted by Omega Woman on January 3, 2004, at 13:29:26
I sometimes take zopiclone for sleep. I did take half of 3.5mg during the day, and I quite liked it. It really chills you out without putting you to sleep. Of course anything more than that and I want to go straight to bed.
So how much zopiclone do you take a day, and how many times a day do you take it?
Thanks.
Posted by Omega Woman on January 4, 2004, at 0:34:36
In reply to Re: Zopiclone and Omega 3 is it High or healthy ?, posted by Jaynee on January 3, 2004, at 17:46:17
Thats good to hear someone getting anti-anxiety use from Zopiclone. Its probably unique in how t modulates GABA without tolerance.
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So how much zopiclone do you take a day, and how many times a day do you take it?
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I'm taking 3.5g with every 1000mg of salmon oil, on average, (I dont believe nature intended us to take whats good for us 24/7).This is greater in one dose than what you take yourself. I have tried to take less but the tablets are coated and crumble when cut. Also they are coated because the drug is very heavy on the stomach lining. I could'nt find any way to take smaller doses without upsetting my insides, so I sought out a generic version of Zimovane (the main Zopiclone manafucterer) which is weaker in effect by about 40%.
How regularly do you take them and what brand. Also how long ?
I ask because I feel that there is some slight long term tolerance. Over a year there seems to feel less effect than they used to. It seems this way about omega 3 too, in fact nothing seems to affect me as much. Perhaps i should take this as a good sign. This could mean i'm getting healthier and losing my hypersensitivity to chemicals.
In any case if four week does of 3.75mg seems too heavy remember what I said about what happens when taken with omega 3 salmon oil.
For me omega 3 is necessary but its an overwhelming mood brightner with a small time need to adjust to its upbeat effects both mentally and phsycially. In reality people don't make allowances for those "out there" zones which can occur while you make the chemical shift. With omega 3 this feels like my brains running away and physically I can get a bit agitated internally.
When I combine zopiclone, the heavy physical effect seems to balance omega 3 to a stasis which makes it possible to take doses with my food in public or outdoor eating spots.
(I reckon being able to handle the effects of a drug coming on in public is a good indicator of whether its beneficial)
Best of all the extreme clarity and efficiency of perception which comes with Omega 3 seems in some way grounded by zopiclone to a point which is so usefull, I feel like I can handle anything.
Posted by caroline on January 4, 2004, at 4:14:03
In reply to Zopiclone and Omega 3 is it High or healthy ?, posted by Omega Woman on January 3, 2004, at 13:29:26
Hi,
I've been using zopiclone 3 times daily (early morning, lunch, late afternoon), for 10 years now. It's always worked for me in exactly the way you describe. I love it, but found out totally by accident it worked this way. My NHS doctors do not know I use it this way. I've been too afraid they wouldn't sanction an off-label usage, as they aren't insured to.
You have no idea how good it feels knowing I'm not alone in this! You made my day!
Best, Caroline
Posted by caroline on January 4, 2004, at 4:18:55
In reply to Re: Zopiclone and Omega 3 is it High or healthy ? » Jaynee, posted by Omega Woman on January 4, 2004, at 0:34:36
PS ...
I actually take 7.5mg zopiclone 3x daily, and after 10 years + I feel it's safe to say there's no tolerance build up. The high is still a high! I've found that no matter how many times the NHS switch which brand they use, it makes no difference. I also take 5000mg of EPA omega 3 fish oil daily.
Best, Caroline
Posted by Omega Woman on January 4, 2004, at 7:01:45
In reply to Re: Zopiclone and Omega 3 is it High or healthy ?, posted by linkadge on January 3, 2004, at 15:52:03
I'm not sure when people say "best" or "good luck" if it means I'm leaving it at that..anyway thanks for writing. I dont think Depakote will have stimulate Gaba like Zopiclone and klonazepam is benzodiazipine which always give me tolerance problems. i.e. takes 8 pills to do the job of 4 the 16 to the job of 8.
Posted by Omega Woman on January 4, 2004, at 7:31:39
In reply to Re: Zopiclone and Omega 3 is it High or healthy ?, posted by caroline on January 4, 2004, at 4:14:03
Thats quite amazing ..the same self treatments, sucess and conclusion. Do you take the omega 3 with the Zopiclone ? Surely you don't take Zopiclone by itself 3 times daily ?
You must be highly strung if you do...I mean I thought I was overactive mentally. I found taking Zopiclone on its own droppped my IQ and could put me into a depression in the winter...although I have friends who can consume large amounts of hypnotics and still seem quite friendly. I'v seen doses like that render some one abuser who stole some collapse in the street.
What I mean is 3 doses of 7.5 mg is quite high, and I did'nt know zopiclone had been about 10 years. you must have been part of a trial. I think maybe there is an initial "settling in" period after the first year or two as the body gets used to it. so 7.5mg acts like 3.75mg. This is what I find, and I do notice a big difference between the brands.
Zimovane is strongest but also a little rough. I never get this kind.
APS is medium and quite smooth, this works best for me.
Generics (thats the company name) barely works.If you have been using it 10 years this is good news to hear the tolerance does'nt increase. I'll tell my doctor this.
On that note as soon as I realised Zopiclone was an anxiolytic I visited my Doctor and said "if I'm doing well and these drugs work, then thats what counts"..he seemed to agree. I also told him another time I was taking 4 during the day with the omega 3. I showed him the pill box. Does he not listen or write things down ?
I'm wondering this because he has recalled me. I Spoke to the receptionist and she seemed quite emotional that I had ordered extra. I was ordering extra because I was travelling a lot and needed them to cover up to a week more supply. Travelling because i'm more well than i've ever been.
Thats why I want to come online and discuss if I am abusing the drug. I didnt think people to agree with me. Maybe I have made it sound better than it is, or maybe people dont understand that studies have shown Zopiclone has been found to be a drug of abuse. I'll find a link about that.
Posted by Omega Woman on January 4, 2004, at 7:36:58
In reply to Zopiclone and Omega 3 is it High or healthy ?, posted by Omega Woman on January 3, 2004, at 13:29:26
Drivers Abuse Zopiclone in Norway
http://www.biopsychiatry.com/zopdrive.html
Zopiclone as an anxiolytic
http://www.biopsychiatry.com/desmethylzopiclone.htm
More abusers of Zopiclone
Posted by linkadge on January 4, 2004, at 9:21:11
In reply to Re: Zopiclone and Omega 3 is it High or healthy ?, posted by Omega Woman on January 4, 2004, at 7:01:45
When I say "Good Luck" it means I think what you're taking is fine as long as you feel ok.
Perhaps some doctors would not agree with me but its just my opinion.
Depakote has strong effects on GABA, perhaps even more so than zopiclone. It increases Gaba in such a way that generally no tollerance is built.
For some reason, depakote perhaps would not be as pleasurable as zopiclone.
Linkadge
Posted by caroline on January 4, 2004, at 12:53:06
In reply to Re: makes me happier too., posted by Omega Woman on January 4, 2004, at 7:31:39
Hi,
Yeah, I take the zopiclone on it's own 3x daily, and I'm not at all highly strung on it. It just works for me, helps my concentration, makes work easy, keeps creativity levels high, makes socialising a breeze. Never need alcohol. I do have aspergers though (autistic spectrum disorder), so my brain is definitely wired up differently to most peoples. My IQ is considered kind of special. It tested 202 last year.
I was put on zopiclone in the fall of 1991 while I was at college. I believe it was relatively new, but it wasn't a trial. I started using as a day drug within a year. It didn't help me sleep at all. I started on generic, then it was zimovane, and now it's APS. They all work the same for me, which is probably as well since the NHS change suppliers whenever it suits them.
Am I abusing it? Maybe.
But if it makes my life so much easier, I'm not going to worry about it.
Best, Caroline - Best is kind of a shorthand way of writing best wishes!
Posted by Jaynee on January 4, 2004, at 13:43:51
In reply to Re: Zopiclone and Omega 3 is it High or healthy ? » Jaynee, posted by Omega Woman on January 4, 2004, at 0:34:36
Hi,
I don't know what kind it is, I am in Canada and was precribed it. It just says Zopiclone on the bottle, 7.5mg. I do know that you can be prescribed 5mg. Those would probably be best for cutting in half.
I have only been taking the zopiclone on and off since Dec 16, 2003.
I do like it though.
I tried fish oil before and it kept coming up (yummy) so I quit. Maybe I'll try again.
Posted by jms600 on January 4, 2004, at 16:07:40
In reply to Zopiclone and Omega 3 is it High or healthy ?, posted by Omega Woman on January 3, 2004, at 13:29:26
Hi,
I take Omega 3 in the form of strong Cod Liver Oil. I was unaware that it had any effects mentally!?! I take it for its beneficial effects on joint mobility, as arthritis seems to be very common in my family.
Does Omega 3 have any effects on depression, anxiety, or other mental conditions etc etc???
Posted by Omega Woman on January 5, 2004, at 1:07:03
In reply to What effects does Omega 3 have??, posted by jms600 on January 4, 2004, at 16:07:40
Taking Omega 3 in Cod liver oil wont have any mental effects. I've tried this along with aboout six other types and FLaxseed oil.
The most effective for profound mental increases in awareness and overall ease of visual processing, and memory is Salmon oil. This is what I had right from the start three years ago, but did'nt know it. About a year ago I suddenly noticed it was'nt working, I was a nervous wreck..How could this be ?
I looked at the details in the bottle label and saw that Salmon oil had been in the previous lables and now it was a North sea mixture of Tuna, Cod etc..
I was in a weakened frenzy and tried many brands, and all the time I thought will I try Holland and Barrets health store..No they are too Big a chain I thought, how can they stock Salmon oil Nationwide..I soon settled back into the reduced mental state I used to be in, accepting my fate when a friend told me had got Salmon oil from Holland and Barret and he felt it was like living on another level of cognitive awareness.
I'm not the only one to realise this. Everytime I got to the health shop the Salmon oil stocks are depleted even though the price is four times higher. Its well worth it.
Dont ask me why it has to Salmon oil. I'm at the level of subjective use here. If I was to hazard a guess I'd say the salmon have a natural Biochemical advantage in terms of energy efficiency anyway. It must be all that competing to jump upstream till they die of exaustion.
Lets thank a million years of Fishy Suicide Evolution for creating such a pure strain.
Posted by Omega Woman on January 5, 2004, at 8:41:33
In reply to Re: makes me happier too., posted by caroline on January 4, 2004, at 12:53:06
You have aspergers, thats interesting I would never have seen anything wrong from the way you write. I was accused of having this once too. Primarily for Musical ability, drawing and good at seeing deep underlying patterns.
I was reading a summary of all the research on savants recently and definitely think I might just fall slightly into the spectrum myself. The hypersensitivity to noise, creativity, intolerant of closeness, hating small talk, not going anywher e new...but it can come and go...I mean if I was to do lots of drugs..take a club 18-30 holiday, and a crazy attitude to match it, in the height of a scorching summer, i could blow myself to an everyday level for a while.
Anyway Blah..I thought you may be interested to know, I went to my GP today, cancelled my appointment to see a Pdoc and fully discussed how I was using Zopiclone as an anti-anxiety drug.
He explained to me initially that the drug is only licenced as a short term sleeping remedy, and that he could be held for malpractise by prescribing it for anything else. He said it had not been tested in the long term. I quoted that yourself had been using it this way for ten years, and showed him three papers which show Zopiclone is non-tolerant and increases GaBa receptor sensitivity.
I don't know which did the trick really, I also felt like being a bit philisophical after that, and said look I'm alive, and I dont know why my brain is like this, but it has been for quite a while, if something does the trick at last and seems safe to use then thats great, because that fear system which exists in us for good reasons, makes life Hell if it keeps firing. I'll take my chances and live well while I can.
Seems to have worked..This NHS Doc is letting me use Zopiclone as a daytime anxiety remedy. He's a good guy, thats why I have been with him for 13 years. I feel sorry for him having to put up with me. I was quite forcefull with him, and felt really guilty.
Yes i've gone of track with the title of this post. I presume Zopiclone is getting an anti-anxiety license. The two papers I read were recent and duplicated each others findings. They tested Zopiclone as an anti-anxiety drug and found it as good as benzodiazipines without the tolerance.
Posted by caroline on January 5, 2004, at 12:38:56
In reply to Re: Zopiclone is getting Anti-anxiety license » caroline , posted by Omega Woman on January 5, 2004, at 8:41:33
Very interesting you have certain asperger traits, and very interesting zopiclone's actually being trialled as an anti-anxiety, with a view to a licence! Who knows, maybe one day I can be honest with my GP! I've had so many different doctors, as I've moved around a lot - uni to uni et cetera! I once had a great GP, but he retired last year sadly.
It's been great finding I'm not alone in using the chemical this way!
Thanks!
Best wishes!
Posted by leopard on January 5, 2004, at 15:42:33
In reply to Omega woman..., posted by Jaynee on January 4, 2004, at 13:43:51
Try Carlson's fish oil. It is merc/pcb free and tastes like lemon. It is in a liquid form which I take straight but you can also mix it with a beverage...say good bye to burping up fish oil. You can purchase it at www.mercola.com.
Hope this helps!
> Hi,
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> I don't know what kind it is, I am in Canada and was precribed it. It just says Zopiclone on the bottle, 7.5mg. I do know that you can be prescribed 5mg. Those would probably be best for cutting in half.
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> I have only been taking the zopiclone on and off since Dec 16, 2003.
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> I do like it though.
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> I tried fish oil before and it kept coming up (yummy) so I quit. Maybe I'll try again.
Posted by Jaynee on January 5, 2004, at 20:08:47
In reply to Re: Omega woman... » Jaynee, posted by leopard on January 5, 2004, at 15:42:33
Posted by starflower on January 29, 2004, at 4:21:43
In reply to Re: Zopiclone is getting Anti-anxiety license » caroline , posted by Omega Woman on January 5, 2004, at 8:41:33
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 29, 2004, at 16:47:14
In reply to Fish oil, posted by starflower on January 29, 2004, at 4:21:43
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-958675,00.html
I'd like to redirect follow-ups about alternative treatments to Psycho-Babble Alternative. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20040110/msgs/306986.html
Thanks,
Bob
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