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Posted by ginger C on October 6, 2003, at 15:39:50
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal » JudithC, posted by FLMALE on June 2, 2000, at 18:48:26
Anyone out there ever had a problem with xanax withdrawal? One of my employees has been taking 3mg a day for 12 years. She had to change psychiatrists because hers retired and her new doc accused her of being addicted to it. He then brought her down to 0.5mg once a day every other day and she is about to go insane. she is having severe mood swings which include crying spells and depression and angry outbursts. She isn't able to sleep which is not helping either. Has she been dropped too much at one time? Is there anything she could do to help her get through this?
Posted by Bobbi on October 22, 2003, at 23:46:15
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal, posted by ginger C on October 6, 2003, at 15:39:50
I am 80 years old and have never been on medication until my blood pressure went up to 188. Dr gave blood pressure pills and xanax. I did not know what xanax was so I did not take as much as directions said. I never took it every day, sometimes three days in a row and then nothing for two or three days. This has only been a little over a month. I deceided not to take it any more and went without it for six days, what up set stomach I had, thought I was going to die. Read the directions and it said not to withdraw suddenly, which I had done. I took half a tablet and stomach settled down. I am getting off this substance. Drugest said to take half a tablet for two weeks and then half every other day for two weeks. I AM GETTING OFF THIS MEDICATION! I am so surprised that I was given this drug and upset that I took it and now cannot stop taking it when I want to. If doctors know it is so addictive why do they give it? Will let you know in a month if I have been successful in withdrawal
Posted by glenn on October 24, 2003, at 4:45:15
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal, posted by Bobbi on October 22, 2003, at 23:46:15
I am very sorry to hear of your difficulties, you are absolutely right you should have been given much more and clearer information about xanax and your medics are responsible for that!
However xanax has virtually given me my life back after nothing else including exercise, meditation, therapy and cbt were absolutely useless, and it doesn't hit back at you by saying you are not trying hard enough or don't really want to get well!!
Xanax ain't for everyone but please don't dismiss it so out of hand!
Posted by ian24 on October 25, 2003, at 23:46:47
In reply to Xanax Withdrawal, posted by Phyllis Chandler on August 7, 1998, at 16:38:29
It is hard to come off of. It took me 8 months. But it saved my mind for 2 years. So the trade off is worth it. I am in AA and it didnt make me want to drin, even during withdrawl. I actually used AA to get off of it. To me its like you get an enormous beneift if you have sever e anxiety and you realize that wehn you stio it'll be hard
Posted by KayLen on November 11, 2003, at 18:27:45
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal, posted by ian24 on October 25, 2003, at 23:46:47
I wish I could offer some advice on detoxing from xanax . I can't I need help also.
Has anyone on xanax ever experienced temporary paralysis after long term use of xanax? I lose the use of my legs , there is no pain ...no warning except weakness,but temporarily
I literally can not walk...sometimes it seems to go up to my arms also but I am not sure that it is because my arms get tired of holding myself up on something. Or of trying to lift myself. It has lasted overnight just once and I can walk a few feet or yards if I rest {sitting ..not using my legs at all}
I am seeing doctors but am in the first visits so they are not talking yet ..just testing.
thank you .and good luck to all...being an addict is no fun..
Posted by dms777smd on November 13, 2003, at 23:08:38
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal, posted by KayLen on November 11, 2003, at 18:27:45
I've never been addicted to any kind of benzo,but I know what it,s like because ive been through the worst withdrawals from alcohol(shaking,sweating,agitation,insomnia,hallucinations,seizures and a lot more).It is not fun at all.If you,re gonna stop Xanax,then you're probably going to have to do it with another benzo(sorry to say).Check out this link,it might help. http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/index.htm
Posted by AmigoMarko on November 14, 2003, at 0:02:44
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal, posted by Amy Blue on April 1, 2001, at 16:49:58
My Xanax addiction was legendary. I took as much as 10 mg at a time, probably up to 25 mg a day (not continuously because I obviously ran out very quickly and didn't have it for my severe SAD when I needed it.)
My new pdoc substituted Klonapin (1mg x 2/day) for Xanax. I believe it is MUCH less addictive than Xanax. The Klonapin was overly sedating, almost put me to sleep, slowed my mind and gave me total amnesia for the six hour period that it was effective. I couldn't do my job and chucked it.
I had been on Paxil for two years. It was only marginally helpful. The new doc added Remaron as an adjunct. Within three days my mood depression was lifting and the SAD was disappearing. The doc told me I could use Xanax sparingly in an emergancy only. I never did. I have not had a single SAD attack since. Not even close. I use the klonapin sparingly and occassionally for sleep only. I do not crave the Xanax.
It was like when I quit smoking. A hopeless addiction and then...I flipped some sort of switch in my head I hadn't noticed before and the desire was gone.
I honestly don't know how I did this but credit the synergistic Paxil-Remaron combo (which also brought enhanced norepinephrine into play for the first time) as the foundation that facilitated an essentially cold-turkey withdrawal.
I'm not stronger than any of you. I was somehow lucky. I'm also 52 and think it has something to do with changes one goes through at this time of life. Best of luck to all of you!
Posted by KayLen on November 15, 2003, at 3:10:14
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal » KayLen, posted by dms777smd on November 13, 2003, at 23:08:38
> I've never been addicted to any kind of benzo,but I know what it,s like because ive been through the worst withdrawals from alcohol(shaking,sweating,agitation,insomnia,hallucinations,seizures and a lot more).It is not fun at all.If you,re gonna stop Xanax,then you're probably going to have to do it with another benzo(sorry to say).Check out this link,it might help. http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/index.htm
Thanks for the help. I am also an alcoholic....and
I refused to go to the hospital to detox ..for awhile I thought I was going to die. It is encredible are bodies can withstand the abuse we put it through....BTW...while detoxing from alcohol
did your body feel like it was turning inside out?
Its got to be the worst ..when I quit smoking ...about ten years ago....the first six monthes are very hazy and clouded..i dont remember much except eating ice cream. I didnt know xanax was addicting when i began taking it.....I had a "confused"
doctor at the time he wanted to give me valium .
i told him NO im alcoholic and I cannot take an addicting drug so he gives me xanax....and tells me it is not as strong as valium..ya right!!..ok ..thanks again!!!
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 15, 2003, at 13:01:01
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal, posted by AmigoMarko on November 14, 2003, at 0:02:44
> My Xanax addiction was legendary...
When you're blocked, you're not supposed to post, so I've extended the duration of your block.
Bob
PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration, thanks.
Posted by dms777smd on November 15, 2003, at 13:38:53
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal » dms777smd, posted by KayLen on November 15, 2003, at 3:10:14
Man,,,,nothing is worse than alcohol withdrawals.I've been to hell and back from that shit.I too felt like I was going to die, and it really is possible to die if you're that bad with it,,,,,or other drugs like xanax,valium.Barbiturates are the worst of pills,I've never taken those before,but sometimes I feel like it would maybe help the anxiety(which I know it would).(Major downer,like alcohol)But anyway,I did go to detox(three times)for alcohol because I just could not take the hell I was going through when I didn't drink.I could barely go 3 hours without feeling like I was going to die.I knew that when I went,they would give me the pills I needed to make me feel a little better without drinking.I always cleaned up for a month or two,but I'm still drinking.But somehow I seemed to get it under control(sounds fucked up)but I only drink 3 or 4 times a month now and I know the conciquences if I drink more than that.I have too much to lose now. JUST BE CAREFUL with whatever you're doing. I THINK I SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD A LONG TIME AGO. SOMEONE is watching over me.
Posted by KayLen on November 18, 2003, at 0:21:23
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal, posted by dms777smd on November 15, 2003, at 13:38:53
I just like you, at one time also had to have alcohol in my system constantly.....I celebrated my 7th year "sober B-day" this year. When you feel like you really are sick and tired of being sick and tired
give AA a chance ....all I will say {don't like to push anything on anyone}....but with the help of AA....my miracle is not that I gave up drinking
but that i do not have in any way shape or form of desire or want or craving for alcohol..i was a hard case though...it must have been four years before I finally began sobriety. I am not ready to quit xanax yet....Idealy i want to be drug free...I would need it even if it was not adictting...thankx for posting
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Man,,,,nothing is worse than alcohol withdrawals.I've been to hell and back from that shit.I too felt like I was going to die, and it really is possible to die if you're that bad with it,,,,,or other drugs like xanax,valium.Barbiturates are the worst of pills,I've never taken those before,but sometimes I feel like it would maybe help the anxiety(which I know it would).(Major downer,like alcohol)But anyway,I did go to detox(three times)for alcohol because I just could not take the hell I was going through when I didn't drink.I could barely go 3 hours without feeling like I was going to die.I knew that when I went,they would give me the pills I needed to make me feel a little better without drinking.I always cleaned up for a month or two,but I'm still drinking.But somehow I seemed to get it under control(sounds fucked up)but I only drink 3 or 4 times a month now and I know the conciquences if I drink more than that.I have too much to lose now. JUST BE CAREFUL with whatever you're doing. I THINK I SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD A LONG TIME AGO. SOMEONE is watching over me.
Posted by Dr. Rod on November 18, 2003, at 1:16:38
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal » dms777smd, posted by KayLen on November 18, 2003, at 0:21:23
Thanks to Bill W and the 100 drunks that got together 67 years ago.....
There is a next step and I don't mean a 13th step... You said you have no craving; put yourself in the "objective view" while:
1. Ill
2. Elated
3. Tired
4. Angry
5. Loaded
If you can tell that person you see in the mirror that you have no craving even under these conditions, then perhaps you really have no cravings...Also, give up grumbling forever!!! Eventually you will have to change to seeking out others who are seeking goodness, truth, and beauty... Grumbling is driven by the morality of your childhood which is a collection of shoulds and don'ts... There is nothing good, true, or beautiful about shoulds and don'ts... They are opinions...
Epictitus in 100AD pointed out, "The few control the many by opinion."...
Opinion: information held confident without direct or immediate knowledge...... Dr. Rod
Posted by ditzypixy on November 18, 2003, at 15:00:21
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal » dms777smd, posted by KayLen on November 18, 2003, at 0:21:23
watch out with xanax withdrawal,any trank like that,if youve been caning them back and you suddenly stop,you can get a fit.
Posted by JESSsMom on November 19, 2003, at 17:09:42
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal watch out 4da funny turns, posted by ditzypixy on November 18, 2003, at 15:00:21
Anybody see Oprah today (Wed., Nov. 19th)? All about suburban Moms who abused presciption drugs.
In the beginning of the show, Oprah said there are 11 million people addicted to prescription painkillers and benzos. Then she spent the whole show talking about painkiller addiction (percocet, vicodin,etc.)
I really wanted to hear some info about benzo addiction. As a GAD sufferer, I have been taking Xanax for far too long but it's better than the shaking panic. Still, I am worried about tolerance.
Anyway, the show was a disappointment to me today (and I never watch Oprah, just happened to catch the subject today), since it only focused on painkiller addiction.
Anybody else see today's show and feel the same way?
Regards,
JM
Posted by maxx44 on November 19, 2003, at 20:17:43
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal » dms777smd, posted by KayLen on November 18, 2003, at 0:21:23
way back in '86 i had my 1st acute panic attack. it came with most symptoms of heart attack--jaw, left-arm pain, extremeties turning blue and cold--wild ekg, elevated cholesterol--i was thrown in cardiac icu until my enzyme report showed negative. both my shrink and gp told me it was panic and strongly advised avoiding meds as drs. were having big trouble 'recovering' clients from the benzodiazapine family---which do stop panic.
i started drinking. it seemed to work, but problems arose. i relocated and entered a laguna beach clinic where i became the subject of a phd candidate's thesis on 'entrepreneurial burn-out'. she was not a dr., but worked under one's supervision. she wanted me on xanax vs. alcohol and it was done. i was on 1mg for the year it took to complete her work. then i moved to san diego, and found their clinic would script no benzo--so i went off, cold-turkey. after a week of no sleep i was given a small quantity of mellaril to restore sleep function. afterwords, i was panic-free for years--no alcohol. then 'disabling panic' hit me again. i was dxed 'chronic progressive panic person' and put on librium, 40mg/day. 3 years later i became concerned with the emotional 'dulling' and just quit. days later all hell broke loose. my old drs. were correct. while rarely, some people may use this drug family and have no major problem stopping, i feel the dose must be low, and usage intermittent. for long-term users a slow taper-down, as noted by dr. heather ashton, seems the only safe way out. you may wish to review her protocol for withdrawal on-line. i'm not a dr., but from my experience and those of many i've met, it's one rough ride---not to be taken lightly. best wishes
Posted by maxx44 on November 19, 2003, at 21:06:12
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal, posted by ginger C on October 6, 2003, at 15:39:50
she needs a new dr. asap. no human may be on that dose level for years and not taper up to a year---see dr. heather ashton's site on withdrawal protocol. yes, she's addicted, but no currently educated dr. would IMHO take this course. this woman has been placed in great danger to herself, and (confirm with dr. bob)possibly others.
Posted by maxx44 on November 19, 2003, at 21:52:07
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal , posted by JESSsMom on November 19, 2003, at 17:09:42
benzos are a plague at this point. they have short term uses, but i and many others were put on them long-term with no adequate warning. you can't just stop. it's generally a long taper-down process, perhaps followed by what's termed 'protracted withdrawal syndrome'---i got myself off of years on librium, but 'out-of-the-blue' 4 months later was hit with full withdrawal again. i couldn't believe it. as an ex 'hippy', i've seen drugs---and easily quit---but benzos? long-term? check dr. heather ashton's site---there you'll find a way out, if any.
Posted by glenn on November 20, 2003, at 17:17:25
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal , posted by maxx44 on November 19, 2003, at 21:52:07
Yes benzos have their problems, but a major factor in this seems to have been how they were used.
One might have thought that after barbituates and miltown doctors might have prescribed them carefully, however from what I have seen many of those who have problems were given them innapropriately ( ie for depression)in far too high doses and for far too long, and perhaps most importantly with no warning of possible addiction problems and with absolutely no guidance about how to come off them.
Xanax has been a lifesaver for me but I researched it very carefully and use it carefully!
Having mentioned barbs, miltown and benzos is paxil the next one??Glenn
Posted by dms777smd on November 20, 2003, at 19:35:52
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal , posted by maxx44 on November 19, 2003, at 21:52:07
> benzos are a plague at this point. they have short term uses, but i and many others were put on them long-term with no adequate warning. you can't just stop. it's generally a long taper-down process, perhaps followed by what's termed 'protracted withdrawal syndrome'---i got myself off of years on librium, but 'out-of-the-blue' 4 months later was hit with full withdrawal again. i couldn't believe it. as an ex 'hippy', i've seen drugs---and easily quit---but benzos? long-term? check dr. heather ashton's site---there you'll find a way out, if any.
That is very strange how it hit you again 4 months later.I've never heard of such a thing.Are you sure it wasn't just all the years on and you just started having panic attacks?Or did it really feel like withdrawal.Also,were you getting off of, or doing any other drugs?Getting off of alcohol maybe?I kind of want to hear (in more detail)your story because it sounds strange to me.I've been through the worst alcohol withdrawals,but after I got through that they didn't come back.I just get panic attacks a lot.
Posted by dms777smd on November 20, 2003, at 19:44:03
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal » maxx44, posted by dms777smd on November 20, 2003, at 19:35:52
> > benzos are a plague at this point. they have short term uses, but i and many others were put on them long-term with no adequate warning. you can't just stop. it's generally a long taper-down process, perhaps followed by what's termed 'protracted withdrawal syndrome'---i got myself off of years on librium, but 'out-of-the-blue' 4 months later was hit with full withdrawal again. i couldn't believe it. as an ex 'hippy', i've seen drugs---and easily quit---but benzos? long-term? check dr. heather ashton's site---there you'll find a way out, if any.
>
> That is very strange how it hit you again 4 months later.I've never heard of such a thing.Are you sure it wasn't just all the years on and you just started having panic attacks?Or did it really feel like withdrawal.Also,were you getting off of, or doing any other drugs?Getting off of alcohol maybe?I kind of want to hear (in more detail)your story because it sounds strange to me.I've been through the worst alcohol withdrawals,but after I got through that they didn't come back.I just get panic attacks a lot.Wait a minute,,I just read something on this "protracted withdrawal" and I think I've been fooling myself.I think I have the same thing because there is this site and they have a chart with what normal anxiety should be like,then what protracted withdrawal can be like.I have a lot of these symtoms but maybe I just drank for so long,and had so many withdrawals,that I forgot what normal anxiety felt like.Check it out,here's the link. http://www.benzo.org.uk/pha-1.htm
Posted by maxx44 on November 20, 2003, at 23:02:20
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal , posted by maxx44 on November 19, 2003, at 21:52:07
you'll note i was writing of librium and 'protracted withdrawal syndrome'---it doesn't hit everyone. it seems dose and time of use related. also, we're all so different, 'blanket' statements don't always apply. PWS is considered possibly age related--but i've a 90+ year-old neighbor who just quit a life of smoking and moderate ativan use and didn't notice a thing. i think that's rare. i had stopped moderate drinking with the librium, but for Me librium withdrawal was characterized by violent urges, whereas previous xanax withdrawal, years before and allegedly more problematic due to short half-life just gave me insomnia. i don't have a major drinking history--can take it or leave it--for me the obvious fact was total similarity with previous symptoms of librium withdrawal, which is consistent with PWS---these episodes are known to decrease with time---dr. heather ashton, on the net, would probably term your panic PWS and advise riding it out, as the episodes diminish with time. i know panic--when you're in it you think you're dying and will grab any way out, but it sounds to me like you've got it beat. best wishes
Posted by KayLen on November 20, 2003, at 23:12:13
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal » KayLen, posted by Dr. Rod on November 18, 2003, at 1:16:38
> Thanks to Bill W and the 100 drunks that got together 67 years ago.....
>
> There is a next step and I don't mean a 13th step... You said you have no craving; put yourself in the "objective view" while:
> 1. Ill
> 2. Elated
> 3. Tired
> 4. Angry
> 5. Loaded
> If you can tell that person you see in the mirror that you have no craving even under these conditions, then perhaps you really have no cravings...
>
> Also, give up grumbling forever!!! Eventually you will have to change to seeking out others who are seeking goodness, truth, and beauty... Grumbling is driven by the morality of your childhood which is a collection of shoulds and don'ts... There is nothing good, true, or beautiful about shoulds and don'ts... They are opinions...
>
> Epictitus in 100AD pointed out, "The few control the many by opinion."...
>
> Opinion: information held confident without direct or immediate knowledge...... Dr. Rod$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I am not a "white Knuckler" I truly do not have a craving for alcohol...and
I am a "REAL" alcoholic. Also im not grumbling at all ..im gratefull that I am an alcoholic, otherwise I would not been shown the way to AA.
IMHO it has something for everyone on this planet.
I wont quote anything to you doc. I can only speak
from my experience...and I dont pass around hearsay ..everyone has their own interpretations,
i dont care for third ..forth...etc. interpretations ...I cannot speak for anyone but myself... It is odd you make remarks that i do not look for the good. One of the codes I live by is "Always Look for the good in everything...because you always find what you are looking for." I wasn't raised in the conventional way most children are..I was forunate not to have any of man's social views impressed upon me...Fortunate I am to have been taught to have an open mind and think for myself ...and never fear to question anyone or anything.
methinks you will do well by following your own advice doc.thank you for posting .KayLen points out: the many are led by the few because there are alot more lambs in this world than there are sheperds.
OPINIONS: they are like A--holes everybody has one.**smile**
Posted by maxx44 on November 21, 2003, at 0:48:11
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal , posted by glenn on November 20, 2003, at 17:17:25
interesting, as Captain Jack Sparrow would say, (pirates of the carribean)--i love humor. in my web ramblings i keep coming across references to ssris being addictive. after my bouts with benzos, on-going, and 3 years still 'the living dead' after only 3 months of risperdal clobbered me with 'atypical neuroleptic syndrome'---which was unheard of at the time---well, ssri trouble wouldn't surprise me. i was once the 'client'---i prefer that term with shrinks, of the great dr. feigner---whose institute did the fda workup of prozac, zoloft, wellbu---all i may say is the man truly looks as if a used car salesman---i'm not worried about tort, as truth is the best defense.
the fact is the guy was grossly irresponsible and just plain dangerous for me. i don't trust anything at this point, but the oldest tcas and maois---maybe deprenyl. i'm a known paradoxical reactor---it's in all my med records. in near 30 years from alaska(best dr. i ever had, retired head of uof mich neurosurgery), to maui (said smoking pot couldn't cause panic) to a san diego 'harvard top ten' (put on librium daily), to fla. (back on librium, then risperdal)---all in all if this bunch were profs of neuro-surgery, or gps, or broken leg fixers their chance at getting malpractice insurance would equal a snowball's chance on the surface of the sun. i know it's a tricky area, mistakes will be made---on the other hand, no other area of medicine is as safe for the incompetent. and the drug cos.? well, just search 'lithium and suicide'. money over life. makes the mafia look tame--but mobsters don't take that oath--'do no harm.'--people do need help, but when medicine yields ethics to money---time to clean house.
Posted by jewelzz on November 21, 2003, at 8:38:45
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal , posted by maxx44 on November 21, 2003, at 0:48:11
Back in 97 I had my first panic attack. I couldn't leave my house, had MANY phobias. I was put on buspar .. couldn't handle the "no feeling" I had, so dr tried to put me on prozac on top of the buspar. Also suggested switching to xanax. Needless to say, I feared the medicines, flushed them all (only took the buspar 2 months, none of the prozac) and sought therapy. After 6 months was panic attack free. I learned to talk myself down once it starts. Have never had a panic attack since.
Recently I became depressed, had a "breakdown" and started on lexapro (antidepressant similiar to celexa) 3 days ago. First night felt good, second day had a Full Blown Panic Attack that I could not control, and third day started feeling a little emotionless. Have had palpitations, tremors, and no sleep. I am only taking 5mg right now, but my body is ultra sensitive to meds.
Question is, has anyone else used lexapro that has anxiety and depression? What type of side effects did you experience? Any other info would be great!
My doc now says I probably have depression due to my anxiety (I THINK alot, and have trouble relaxing). Suggests xanax to take as I need it, not on a regular basis. Afraid I may feel like a zombie again. Afraid to become addicted...
If anyone has some insight I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks!
Posted by maxx44 on November 21, 2003, at 13:47:48
In reply to Xanax - Lexapro..Is it anxiety or depression???, posted by jewelzz on November 21, 2003, at 8:38:45
i'm unfamiliar with lexapro---but any odd or unpleasant symptoms from a med should be immediately reported to the dr. i learned to stop some panic with distraction, like checking my car's tire pressure or fiddling with loved old cameras. but apparently i also have a damaged cardiac (esophogeal) sphincter and that can make things worse. wellbu knocked me to the floor for hours---i couldn't move, just 'vibrate' from the inside out. my panic is considered chronic, but i've gone years with no problems. stress is a key factor, and panic has a way of makeing it worse. i pray things improve for you---one important thing---if you've ever had trauma to 'the gut' area, like a hiatal hernia, panic will show up in many cases. and i'm sure you've noticed there's 'little panic' and then there's 'the big one'---your dr. was wise to warn you on xanax. i wouldn't touch the stuff unless one Knows a whopper's hit you. best wishes.
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