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Posted by Robert Fairburn on October 11, 2003, at 2:36:10
Im just wondering if any users out there have successfuly used an MAOI for anxiety/ocd and had good results. Ive tried all class of drugs without success (except paxil which I pooped out on). THe Pdoc is suggesting an MAOI which is making me a bit nervous because any tricyclic (plus effexor) that which plays around with my neropinephrine (NE) levels plays havoc with me. Im just a bit concerned that an MAOI would just increase my NE levels and then stress me out even more. My blood test already shows elevated NE levels
Regards Robert
Posted by cubbybear on October 11, 2003, at 6:22:30
In reply to has anyne tried an maoi for anxiety/ocd , posted by Robert Fairburn on October 11, 2003, at 2:36:10
> Im just wondering if any users out there have successfuly used an MAOI for anxiety/ocd and had good results. Ive tried all class of drugs without success (except paxil which I pooped out on). THe Pdoc is suggesting an MAOI which is making me a bit nervous because any tricyclic (plus effexor) that which plays around with my neropinephrine (NE) levels plays havoc with me. Im just a bit concerned that an MAOI would just increase my NE levels and then stress me out even more. My blood test already shows elevated NE levels
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> Regards RobertHi Robert,
It's coincidental that several posts have appeared in the last few days inquiring about the MAOI meds' suitability for anxiety. As a Parnate user, I've been telling them,absolutely, go for it. But if you're concerned about elevated norepinephrine levels, I think you might have to scotch this idea, since the MAOIs increase levels of serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine. Perhaps Nardil would work for you, but I don't know how it rates compared to Parnate regarding norepinephrine. The Nardil experts would know that.
Posted by Robert Fairburn on October 12, 2003, at 3:41:58
In reply to Re: has anyne tried an maoi for anxiety/ocd » Robert Fairburn, posted by cubbybear on October 11, 2003, at 6:22:30
Cubbybear
Can you tell me what sort of relief from anxiety you get from a MAOI is a little or is doing a really good job ( In regards to you)
Robert> > Im just wondering if any users out there have successfuly used an MAOI for anxiety/ocd and had good results. Ive tried all class of drugs without success (except paxil which I pooped out on). THe Pdoc is suggesting an MAOI which is making me a bit nervous because any tricyclic (plus effexor) that which plays around with my neropinephrine (NE) levels plays havoc with me. Im just a bit concerned that an MAOI would just increase my NE levels and then stress me out even more. My blood test already shows elevated NE levels
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> It's coincidental that several posts have appeared in the last few days inquiring about the MAOI meds' suitability for anxiety. As a Parnate user, I've been telling them,absolutely, go for it. But if you're concerned about elevated norepinephrine levels, I think you might have to scotch this idea, since the MAOIs increase levels of serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine. Perhaps Nardil would work for you, but I don't know how it rates compared to Parnate regarding norepinephrine. The Nardil experts would know that.
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Posted by cubbybear on October 12, 2003, at 6:08:38
In reply to Re: has anyne tried an maoi for anxiety/ocd » Robert Fairburn, posted by Robert Fairburn on October 12, 2003, at 3:41:58
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> Can you tell me what sort of relief from anxiety you get from a MAOI is a little or is doing a really good job ( In regards to you)Robert,
I guess that Parnate --like every psychotropic drug out there-is no panacea or magic pill since I *have* experienced short but relatively mild episodes of anxiety from stressful situations/ circumstances. But, for let's say 99% of the time, it is wonderful at helping to prevent anxiety from mushrooming or lingering past one or two days, if some unwanted situation should occur. I hope that I've answered your question.
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Posted by cybercafe on October 13, 2003, at 20:05:36
In reply to Re: has anyne tried an maoi for anxiety/ocd » Robert Fairburn, posted by cubbybear on October 12, 2003, at 6:08:38
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> I guess that Parnate --like every psychotropic drug out there-is no panacea or magic pill since I *have* experienced short but relatively mild episodes of anxiety from stressful situations/ circumstances. But, for let's say 99% of the time, it is wonderful at helping to prevent anxiety from mushrooming or lingering past one or two days, if some unwanted situation should occur. I hope that I've answered your question.
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>parnate is so cool. it seems like stimulating drugs = more anxiety, sedating drugs = less anxiety
but parnate gives you something for nothing. you get kick @#$ stimulation + less anxiety!
i can't think of any other way to be more wakeful without increasing anxiety... low dose abilify seems pretty good ... but parnate is still the king when it comes to a) lots of good effects, b) few (any?) bad side effects
having said that, low dose abilify keeps me stable and awake and seems to have no side effects..... so i'm starting to think it IS possible to be 100% without side effects ....
i am so jealous of people who get full anxiety relief, no apathy and no sexual side effects from SSRIs
Posted by zeugma on October 13, 2003, at 20:30:24
In reply to Re: has anyne tried an maoi for anxiety/ocd » Robe, posted by cybercafe on October 13, 2003, at 20:05:36
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> i am so jealous of people who get full anxiety relief, no apathy and no sexual side effects from SSRIs
How many people do you know like that? I didn't think it was possible!
Posted by ace on October 13, 2003, at 21:34:58
In reply to Re: has anyne tried an maoi for anxiety/ocd » Robert Fairburn, posted by cubbybear on October 11, 2003, at 6:22:30
. Perhaps Nardil would work for you, but I don't know how it rates compared to Parnate regarding norepinephrine. The Nardil experts would know that.
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Parnate boosts norepinephrine levels more so than Nardil. It is also more dopaminergic. However it is LESS serotonergic than Nardil.Ace.
Posted by cybercafe on October 13, 2003, at 22:40:55
In reply to Re: has anyne tried an maoi for anxiety/ocd » cybercafe, posted by zeugma on October 13, 2003, at 20:30:24
> > i am so jealous of people who get full anxiety relief, no apathy and no sexual side effects from SSRIs
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> How many people do you know like that? I didn't think it was possible!
>no... you just don't meet them on the net :)
in real life i meet people who's biggest complaints are ... they can't remember to take their pills everyday, so they just stop ... Uggggggg
or it's too much hassle to remember to go to the pharmacist once a month....... Ugggggg
but people in real life are so much different from people on the net..... people on the net seem so much more astute... conscious... aware.... motivated... responsible..........
in real life i meet a lot of people who get side effects at the same time they started taking their meds but don't make the connection that they're related?? or... like me 4 years ago..... they will take one drug and it won't work and they'll figure that no other drugs will work for them ... there is just no motivation to learn .... which is really sad..... because in my experience if you don't take charge of your case your doc will assume you're 100% when you aren't.... or that there are no other drugs to try ........ and let you go on living at 40% when you could hit up people at psychobabble for answers at by operating at 80%, 90%, 100%
but i am also trying to say that it's cool that these people i meet are operating at 40% and are content with it... like they can deal.. they seem satisfied .... i even meet people who get suicidal and go in hospital every so often but it doesn't seem to bother them ... and they are content not taking any meds at all... quite weird....it is kind of noble and meaningful...... but also quite tragic and empty.... to live your life on the 'quest for the perfect med'
Posted by zeugma on October 14, 2003, at 10:36:49
In reply to Re: has anyne tried an maoi for anxiety/ocd, posted by cybercafe on October 13, 2003, at 22:40:55
> > > i am so jealous of people who get full anxiety relief, no apathy and no sexual side effects from SSRIs
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> no... you just don't meet them on the net :)
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> in real life i meet people who's biggest complaints are ... they can't remember to take their pills everyday, so they just stop ... Uggggggg
> or it's too much hassle to remember to go to the pharmacist once a month....... Ugggggg
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> but people in real life are so much different from people on the net..... people on the net seem so much more astute... conscious... aware.... motivated... responsible..........
> in real life i meet a lot of people who get side effects at the same time they started taking their meds but don't make the connection that they're related?? or... like me 4 years ago..... they will take one drug and it won't work and they'll figure that no other drugs will work for them ... there is just no motivation to learn .... which is really sad..... because in my experience if you don't take charge of your case your doc will assume you're 100% when you aren't.... or that there are no other drugs to try ........ and let you go on living at 40% when you could hit up people at psychobabble for answers at by operating at 80%, 90%, 100%
> but i am also trying to say that it's cool that these people i meet are operating at 40% and are content with it... like they can deal.. they seem satisfied .... i even meet people who get suicidal and go in hospital every so often but it doesn't seem to bother them ... and they are content not taking any meds at all... quite weird....
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> it is kind of noble and meaningful...... but also quite tragic and empty.... to live your life on the 'quest for the perfect med'Even with the 'perfect med' my life isn't gonna be perfect... sometimes I AM looking for something that'll make life a little easier... but even remission, for me, isn't going to be what someone else considers 'normal.'
10 years ago I accepted whatever my docs gave me and if they didn't work, I figured no meds would help me... well I have since learned that no one knows the chemistry of my CNS like I do... plus there is so much more info available than there was then... and I can't afford to waste another decade sinking into oblivion because I couldn't research my condition enough to find treatments that made life livable.
by the way I have friends on SSRI's and they seem completely apathetic (to me)- but then my sister took Prozac for a year and loved it- but then she's a basically functional person with a lot of of anxiety. I think SSRI's work really well for the "basically functional" types, but only for relatively limited periods of time, or the apathy gets out of hand.
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