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Posted by zeugma on August 17, 2003, at 16:19:23
In reply to Concerta, A Worried Mom!, posted by Essence on August 17, 2003, at 8:05:58
> A few months back I posted regarding my 16 yr old son and his ADD problems. At that time he was tried on Wellbutrin and went psychotic on it. He swore he would not touch another drug again for his disorder. That changed, now he's seeing a psychiatrist next week about starting Concerta, which has just been approved in Canada. I'm worried, one of the side-effects is psychosis. Any experiences with this drug would be so appreciated. Thanks
Concerta and other stimulants can cause psychosis as a result of sleep deprivation and dopaminergic overactivity. This is usually a result of long-term abuse in doses far higher than prescribed medically.Wellbutrin is actually a more unpredictable drug than Concerta or other stimulants. Many here have had idiosyncratic responses, including perceptual difficulties, extreme irritabilty, and other adverse reactions. Any drug, meant to alleviate any condition, can cause adverse reactions. And many drugs are abusable. But ADHD, untreated, is a condition serious enough to justify the trial of a medication.
Posted by Simcha on August 17, 2003, at 16:28:38
In reply to Re: Concerta, A Worried Mom! » Essence, posted by Simcha on August 17, 2003, at 16:15:32
Sorry the name here:
I'm not sure what qualifications Larry Hoover has. He may be a doctor, I don't know. Please know that I am NOT a doctor. I am a counselor who specializes in behavior modification. I see the changes in the children when they go on and off of medications. We, as a team try to help them either way.
Should be Lou Pilder... Sorry Larry ;-)
Posted by Simcha on August 17, 2003, at 16:30:18
In reply to Re: Concerta, A Worried Mom! » Lou Pilder, posted by Simcha on August 17, 2003, at 15:53:53
The following is for Lou, again, sorry Larry...
> Larry,
>
> I have experience having taught school age children for years in religious ed.
>
> Also there is the training I receive from my agency. I'm also a grad student working toward an MA in Counseling Psychology.
>
> I've been working in my current setting for over a year now and I've observed many children who have received treatment with adderal, ritalin, and cylert. I notice that usually children are able to focus better while on their medication. Like I said, I'm not a doctor, nor am I studying to be a doctor. I think I stressed that in my post. I can only comment on the behavior of the children I work with. I work in the milieu and I do behavior modification.
>
> I am definitely qualified according to the laws of the State of California.
>
> Not sure what you are looking for in all of that.
>
> Blessings,
> Simcha
>
>
> > Simcha,
> > You wrote,[...I am a Mental Health counselor who works with some ADD children...].
> > Could you tell us what type of certification, if any, that you may hold to qualify for the position that you describe as a "Mental Health counselor"? Also,could you tell the setting that you are in that you are working with some ADD children?
> > If you could, then I could have a better understanding of the situation that you are describing hear and be better able to respond to your post and the initiator of this thread accordingly.
> > Lou
>
>
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 17, 2003, at 16:32:44
In reply to Re: Concerta, A Worried Mom! » Lou Pilder, posted by Simcha on August 17, 2003, at 15:53:53
Simcha,
You wrote in response to my question to clarify what you meant by being [...a Mental Health counselor...] that you.
A.[...taught school age children for years in religious ed...]
B.[...I receicve training from my agency...]
C.[...I am a grad student working toward an MA in Counseling Psychology...]
D.[ ...I am working in my current setting for over a year...]
E.[...I have observed children that have received treatment with adderall, ritalin....]
F.[...I notice that the children on these drugs usually focus better...]
G. [...I work in the milieu...I do behavior modification...].
After reading your post. are you saying that you taught some sort of religious class to school age children and that some of those were on these drugs?
Are you saying that the agency that gives you training is a religious agency?
Coukld you identify what your current setting is that you are working in? If you could, then I could better understand your post that I am responding to.
Could you identify what the milieue is that you do behavior modification ? If you could, then I could have a better understanding of your post to me.
Do you have an undergraduste degree or are you working directly toward a masters without a BS? If you do have an undergraduate degree, does it give you state certification and if so, in what?
When you obseved children on the drugs, could you clarify how you made the conclusion that they focused better?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 17, 2003, at 16:48:00
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to jlo820,, posted by jlo820 on August 17, 2003, at 15:36:12
jlo820,
You wrote,[...infomation from Peter Breggin MD my not exactlly be objective...].
Could you clarify what it is that prompted you to write that to me? Are you saying that a respected medical doctor that has done extensive reserch and has written many books on the subject has others equivalent to his credentials that refute his work? If so, could you refer me to this work that refutes Dr. Breggins work on this subject?
Lou
Posted by Simcha on August 17, 2003, at 17:03:18
In reply to Lou's response to simcha's post about credentials » Simcha, posted by Lou Pilder on August 17, 2003, at 16:32:44
Lou,
I have given you all the answers needed for you to figure this out.
Now some questions for you:
1. Are you a doctor?
2. Are you a counselor?
3. Are you a therapist?
4. Are you a psychologist?
5. Are you a psychiatrist?
6. Are you an intern in any of these professions?
7. Are you a trainee in any of these professions?
8. Have you ever worked with children with learning disabilities, developmental delays, or mental illness?
9. Are you in an accredited university earning a degree that would qualify you to make the sweeping claims that you make?I will not divulge the exact school or the location or the exact qualifications I have in an anonymous room on the Internet. I am more security conscious than that.
Also, yes, some of the children in religious ed, in the school I taught in ten years ago, did take Ritalin.
Also, I've worked as a volunteer in non-profit state sponsored agencies (non-religious) working with adolescents who had severe emotional difficulties. I received training in order to qualify even as a volunteer before beginning to work with the youth.
No, I do not work for a religious organization of any kind. I work for one of the premier Youth Centers in California. They have given me credentials based on my experience and specific accredited training that they offer. And they have done an extensive background check so that I can work with children which included running my fingerprints through law enforcement agencies. I work in in-school day treatment. Also, I do have a BS, no school would accept me as a grad student if I did not have one.
The qualifications I have allow me to make observations and do behavioral interventions for children in schools in California and in our on-campus residential setting. That is all you need to know.
When the children are on their medication they can actually concentrate enough to do their school work. Some of them are really brilliant. The medication allows them to focus. Without the medication they cannot do their work. It's as simple as that, Lou.
Perhaps if you answer my questions above on your qualifications, then we can all understand where you are coming from and then we can all respond to your posts accordingly.
Sincerely,
Simcha
> Simcha,
> You wrote in response to my question to clarify what you meant by being [...a Mental Health counselor...] that you.
> A.[...taught school age children for years in religious ed...]
> B.[...I receicve training from my agency...]
> C.[...I am a grad student working toward an MA in Counseling Psychology...]
> D.[ ...I am working in my current setting for over a year...]
> E.[...I have observed children that have received treatment with adderall, ritalin....]
> F.[...I notice that the children on these drugs usually focus better...]
> G. [...I work in the milieu...I do behavior modification...].
> After reading your post. are you saying that you taught some sort of religious class to school age children and that some of those were on these drugs?
> Are you saying that the agency that gives you training is a religious agency?
> Coukld you identify what your current setting is that you are working in? If you could, then I could better understand your post that I am responding to.
> Could you identify what the milieue is that you do behavior modification ? If you could, then I could have a better understanding of your post to me.
> Do you have an undergraduste degree or are you working directly toward a masters without a BS? If you do have an undergraduate degree, does it give you state certification and if so, in what?
> When you obseved children on the drugs, could you clarify how you made the conclusion that they focused better?
> Lou
>
Posted by Aeryn on August 17, 2003, at 17:12:29
In reply to Concerta, A Worried Mom!, posted by Essence on August 17, 2003, at 8:05:58
Everyone is different and your son is just one of the people who have had a bad reaction to Welbutrin. Concerta/Ritalin is actually pretty safe, it has a short half life so is out of his system fairly quickly.
If the Concerta makes him seem pleasant and focused, all is well. If he doesn't respond to stimulants, he may not have ADD!
This is not medical advice just what I have seen personally and learned from people I know with their own experience.
Comparatively, Concerta is much safer than Welbutrin. Docs just like to try the non-scheduled drugs first, even though they can be harder on the body.
Good luck.
Posted by jlo820 on August 17, 2003, at 17:16:01
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to jlo820,-PB, posted by Lou Pilder on August 17, 2003, at 16:48:00
I would be very happy to clarify!
Peter Breggin has very strong, subjective feelings on the subject of medications and I do not believe he is an objecive researcher or author.
I do not respect Peter Breggin's work. Just because someone has written a book, does not mean they are right. I think the title of his book is evidence enough that he is not objective.
I am not going to do your research for you, but with a little effort I am sure you can find more than enough objective research that refutes Dr. Breggin's claims.
Thanks for checking and have a GREAT day.
Posted by jlo820 on August 17, 2003, at 17:19:04
In reply to Lou's reply to jlo820, RD » jlo820, posted by Lou Pilder on August 17, 2003, at 16:02:10
>> In the report given in the site where **the** child died
RE: RitalinDEATH.com
I didn't even bother to look at the site, it is obviously not objective, but are YOU TELLING ME that this whole site is based on one child?!? I hope this is not the case.
Take care, Lou!
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 17, 2003, at 17:32:42
In reply to Re: Lou's response to simcha's post about credentials, posted by Simcha on August 17, 2003, at 17:03:18
Simcha,
You wrote,[...I will not give the exact qualifications I have...I am security concious...].
I understand, for I also have done volunteer work for govt agencys and know what you are talking about. But thanks for telling me that your work is with troubled children, for I also taught the children in my school district that were expelled in what they called an alternitive school. I have a masters in curriculum and administration from Miami University, oxford, Ohio and much graduate work beyond that. I taught for 27 years, almost all with troubled youth, the learning disabled, the outcasts of society, the children that didn't fit in, the children of disadvantaged homes, the children of no home, the children of homes that were worse than no home at all, the children that were rejecte by their own parents, the children with physical and mental illnesses, the children that no one wanted. But I saw their situation not as a result of any chemical need for amphetimine - like drugs, but as a result of other factors which time and space can not justly provide here.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 17, 2003, at 17:42:35
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to jlo820,-PB, posted by jlo820 on August 17, 2003, at 17:16:01
jlo820,
You wrote,[...thanks for checking and have a Great day...].
That is super,jlo. Perhaps you could have a great day also.
Lou
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 17, 2003, at 17:57:36
In reply to Concerta, A Worried Mom!, posted by Essence on August 17, 2003, at 8:05:58
I just thought it important that I add my own personal experience to this rapidly growing thread. :-)
Your son may or may not benefit from a stimulant medication, but I personally wouldn't start him off on Concerta. The active in ingredient in Concerta, Metadate, Methylin, and Ritalin are all the same -- methylphenidate. Methylphenidate is notorious for causing anxiety and irritability, so I would hazard to guess that it may not be your best first option if he has had serious drug reactions in the past.
Have you looked into any of the amphetamines? Adderall, Dexedrine, or Desoxyn? They are all "gentler" on the body, especially Dexedrine and Desoxyn (Adderall has more adverse effects on the cardiovascular system -- like Ritalin and ephedra, but to a lesser degree). All of these come in extended-release forms (i.e. Adderall XR, Dexedrine Spansules, Desoxyn CR), and are every bit as effective (statistically speaking) as Ritalin. I'd highly urge you to look into these medications (Dexedrine and Desoxyn, especially) before you decide to try him on the more harsh methylphenidate.
Just as a final note, all of the above is based both on personal experience and research, and I've tried my best not to be biased. I just feel that, given the cardiovascular effects of methylphenidate and Adderall, Dexedrine or Desoxyn may be better first-line meds. Good luck!
Posted by jlo820 on August 17, 2003, at 18:03:50
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to jlo820 GD, posted by Lou Pilder on August 17, 2003, at 17:42:35
Ummmmm...OK.
We would like to hear your replies on Peter Breggin and ritalinDEATH.com
Posted by Essence on August 17, 2003, at 18:45:19
In reply to Re: Concerta, A Worried Mom! » Essence, posted by Simcha on August 17, 2003, at 16:15:32
Simcha: Thank you very much for your responses. Your support,without knowing the whole story was heartfelt. To Everyone else, so many to name, thank you for your input as well, including Lou's. Lou, I have read all those sites and many books, this decision has not come lightly as you will read on.
My son's ADD is not a "NEW" diagnoses so this is not something new to me, medicating him however is. He was 'diagnosed' at age 2 as probable ADHD, but I was told through mental health that they could not put a disorder on a child under the age of 5. Despite that, my son and I went bi-weekly to mental health so I could learn how to raise my son without meds using counseling and behaviour modifications. We continued this until he was age 9. He was doing well in school, was a happy young boy and the hyperactivity aspect of his disorder was minimal at the age of 9 compared to where it had been. I somehow felt that perhaps he had outgrown his disorder, I had read that this could happen,his therapist agreed so counseling was discontinued. What I didn't know, was that ADD/ADHD could change to different types. Once he entered Junior High, his life fell apart. His grades fell dramatically, with each failure he felt worse and worse about himself. He began many distructive behaviours, running away from home, smoking, drinking, being verbally abusive, etc. The list is too long to post here. I tried several times in the past 5 yrs to get him to go back into counselling, he wouldn't participate so was told not to come back. Back in the winter, after being told he was failing his 5th yr in junior high school, I demanded that he go back and be tested for a learning disability. To my shock, it came back as ADD - innatentive. I was floored, I had really felt he no longer had this disorder. I always hated medications, and vowed when he was younger to never put him on one. Now I see the damage that decision has created. After his testing back in the winter, he agreed to try Wellbutrin. Well that failed and he dropped out of school after turning 16 in April and became a father in May. This decision to go back to a psychiatrist was his decision, he now wants an education and realizes that he can't do it alone. I am heartsick that such a young man has such a heavy burden to bear. But I am even more heartsick to think of what might happen to him if medical intervention isn't taken.
I asked about Concerta because it's once a day dosing and appears to not have the peaks and valleys of Ritalin, etc, so I wanted to hear people's experience with it and mostly, the psychotic side-effect. Adderall and Straterra are not available here yet and Concerta was just approved. Sorry for the long post, but thanks again everyone.
Ess
Posted by stjames on August 17, 2003, at 18:52:46
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to ...a worried mom..., posted by stjames on August 17, 2003, at 12:23:17
> What does this have, in any way, to do with ADD ?
> Addicts take herion. Would you have us suffer pain, just because some misuse a class of drugs ? Would you have ADD persons not take stims because Hitler did ?
Lou, you answered everybody else, so I am feeling a little left out since you did not answer me. If you could answer my questions, I could better understand the points you are trying to make.
Posted by Simcha on August 17, 2003, at 23:56:18
In reply to Simcha and Everyone Else who responded. , posted by Essence on August 17, 2003, at 18:45:19
Essence,
Wow, this must be very difficult for you. I can say what therapists have told me about some children who go untreated for ADD/ADHD. Sometimes, behavior intervention works and sometimes it's not enough.
The therapists at work tell me that without medication some ADD/ADHD develop Oppositional Defiant Disorder. All the therapists at work try not to pathologize a child. They only give preliminary diagnoses whenever possible so that a child does not get labelled. Once a certain level is reached it is difficult for a therapist not to give a more solid diagnosis.
Oppositional Defiant Disorder and lead to Conduct Disorder in children where ADD/ADHD is a possible diagnosis and it is left untreated according to the therapists I know. This does not usually happen until well into Middle School or High School. They tell me that with ODD the child still understands that what they are doing is wrong when they act out. Conduct Disordered children end up unable to know what they did was wrong.
I'm no expert yet and I'm not a doctor. I only know what you have typed here. I can understand your reluctance to have your child diagnosed and placed on medications.
Children with ADD/ADHD actually will calm down when given stimulant medications. For example coffee with have the opposite effect on ADD/ADHD that it does with people who do not have ADD/ADHD.
Sixteen is a difficult age for everyone. I remember myself at that age. I was very depressed and my parents did nothing about it. Sometimes, at least their reasoning was (my Father is a High School Teacher) that teenagers "outgrow" their mental issues with maturity. I did not outgrow it. For me it got worse.
Your child may be different. I don't know you or your son in real life and I am not in any position where I could make a diagnosis even if I knew him since I'm not qualified to do diagnosis yet.
The knowledge I have is based on what has been taught to me in school for now and during gaining experience on the job.
I would assume that you know your son best and you would be able to work best with him on a team of professionals to do whatever is best for your son.
I just wish both of you well no matter what you decide. Unfortunately there is so much we don't know about mental health and mistakes can be made. The brain and the human psyche is very complex and we only know so much.
Blessings,
Simcha
> Simcha: Thank you very much for your responses. Your support,without knowing the whole story was heartfelt. To Everyone else, so many to name, thank you for your input as well, including Lou's. Lou, I have read all those sites and many books, this decision has not come lightly as you will read on.
>
> My son's ADD is not a "NEW" diagnoses so this is not something new to me, medicating him however is. He was 'diagnosed' at age 2 as probable ADHD, but I was told through mental health that they could not put a disorder on a child under the age of 5. Despite that, my son and I went bi-weekly to mental health so I could learn how to raise my son without meds using counseling and behaviour modifications. We continued this until he was age 9. He was doing well in school, was a happy young boy and the hyperactivity aspect of his disorder was minimal at the age of 9 compared to where it had been. I somehow felt that perhaps he had outgrown his disorder, I had read that this could happen,his therapist agreed so counseling was discontinued. What I didn't know, was that ADD/ADHD could change to different types. Once he entered Junior High, his life fell apart. His grades fell dramatically, with each failure he felt worse and worse about himself. He began many distructive behaviours, running away from home, smoking, drinking, being verbally abusive, etc. The list is too long to post here. I tried several times in the past 5 yrs to get him to go back into counselling, he wouldn't participate so was told not to come back. Back in the winter, after being told he was failing his 5th yr in junior high school, I demanded that he go back and be tested for a learning disability. To my shock, it came back as ADD - innatentive. I was floored, I had really felt he no longer had this disorder. I always hated medications, and vowed when he was younger to never put him on one. Now I see the damage that decision has created. After his testing back in the winter, he agreed to try Wellbutrin. Well that failed and he dropped out of school after turning 16 in April and became a father in May. This decision to go back to a psychiatrist was his decision, he now wants an education and realizes that he can't do it alone. I am heartsick that such a young man has such a heavy burden to bear. But I am even more heartsick to think of what might happen to him if medical intervention isn't taken.
>
> I asked about Concerta because it's once a day dosing and appears to not have the peaks and valleys of Ritalin, etc, so I wanted to hear people's experience with it and mostly, the psychotic side-effect. Adderall and Straterra are not available here yet and Concerta was just approved. Sorry for the long post, but thanks again everyone.
> Ess
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 18, 2003, at 9:12:09
In reply to Re: Simcha and Everyone Else who responded. » Essence, posted by Simcha on August 17, 2003, at 23:56:18
Posted by DSCH on August 18, 2003, at 12:09:17
In reply to Re: Concerta, A Worried Mom! » Essence, posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 17, 2003, at 17:57:36
> I just thought it important that I add my own personal experience to this rapidly growing thread. :-)
>
> Your son may or may not benefit from a stimulant medication, but I personally wouldn't start him off on Concerta. The active in ingredient in Concerta, Metadate, Methylin, and Ritalin are all the same -- methylphenidate. Methylphenidate is notorious for causing anxiety and irritability, so I would hazard to guess that it may not be your best first option if he has had serious drug reactions in the past.
>
> Have you looked into any of the amphetamines? Adderall, Dexedrine, or Desoxyn? They are all "gentler" on the body, especially Dexedrine and Desoxyn (Adderall has more adverse effects on the cardiovascular system -- like Ritalin and ephedra, but to a lesser degree). All of these come in extended-release forms (i.e. Adderall XR, Dexedrine Spansules, Desoxyn CR), and are every bit as effective (statistically speaking) as Ritalin. I'd highly urge you to look into these medications (Dexedrine and Desoxyn, especially) before you decide to try him on the more harsh methylphenidate.
>
> Just as a final note, all of the above is based both on personal experience and research, and I've tried my best not to be biased. I just feel that, given the cardiovascular effects of methylphenidate and Adderall, Dexedrine or Desoxyn may be better first-line meds. Good luck!Ask about Desoxyn? Run a PB search on Desoxyn and see what that turns up. Doctors will quite possibly become agitated if Desoxyn is mentioned. (A) "Drug seeking behavior" and (B) CYA... they are being watched.
Posted by HenryO on August 19, 2003, at 5:16:45
In reply to Lou's response to Henryo's post, posted by Lou Pilder on August 17, 2003, at 15:07:48
My apologies. I did not mean to sound hostile, imbalanced or grandiose. I'm was trying to share my experience. "Stuff" is a general term meaning "things", or- that which is discussed on the late night AM band talk radio. Where do you learn about stuff, and things?
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 20, 2003, at 17:59:24
In reply to Ritalin vs. Desoxyn, posted by DSCH on August 18, 2003, at 12:09:17
Maybe it's just my area -- I know plenty of people around here who take Desoxyn (and no, they don't all see the same doctor :-). But around here, pretty much any medication is easy to get, so long as you provide your doctor with adequate research for the more obscure ones.
Posted by Essence on August 20, 2003, at 18:45:58
In reply to Concerta, A Worried Mom!, posted by Essence on August 17, 2003, at 8:05:58
My son was put on Prozac today and not a stimulant. His psychiatrist feels that his ADD symptoms are exacerbated by anxiety and depression.
Ess
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 20, 2003, at 19:59:32
In reply to An Update, posted by Essence on August 20, 2003, at 18:45:58
Essence,
That is interesting for the tug of war was between either ritalin or nothing. Could you give us more?
Lou
Posted by Simcha on August 21, 2003, at 22:46:32
In reply to An Update, posted by Essence on August 20, 2003, at 18:45:58
Essence,
Best of luck with your son and his medication. I hope that this works for him. I think you said your son is 16?
If so, that is when my depression got really bad, and I had an initial diagnosis of ADD when I first saw a psychiatrist at 30. I've ended up with a diagnosis of Major Depressive Disorder. This is the diagnosis that fits best and I have medication that treats it well.
I'm so glad to read about a Mom who is willing to be there for her son.
Blessings,
Simcha> My son was put on Prozac today and not a stimulant. His psychiatrist feels that his ADD symptoms are exacerbated by anxiety and depression.
> Ess
Posted by Essence on September 25, 2003, at 11:01:56
In reply to Re: An Update » Essence, posted by Simcha on August 21, 2003, at 22:46:32
It's been just over 4 wks since my son started on Prozac. Initially I asked questions on here regarding a stimulant for ADD. When my son and I saw the (new)psychiatrist back in August, I went in expecting him to prescribe something for the ADD and I wanted to make an informed decision. Going through my son's history/file from years ago and presently, as well as all the new tests he had been put through, the psychiatrist determined that my son was not ADD, but most likely born with a mood disorder (depession) and anxiety, the anxiety disorder I already knew about, that was diagnosed 2 yrs ago, and there had been hints of depression but I blew it off because "kids" don't get depressed!!! Well smack me for that line of thought. Anyhow, when he told us this, I was very skeptical, still not believing it was Depression/anxiety creating this monster. He started his Prozac and I am totally shocked at the change in him. He is sleeping, which he has never done, he gets up feeling energized, he is pleasant and engaging, he even has a sense of humour!!! He is also bringing home high marks from school and his school work is being completed thoroughly in class. His teachers have all commented on how happy and easy going he is now and how pleasant he is to have in the classroom. It was hard for me to start him on this medication, but seeing him no longer suffering is a small trade-off for all the anxiety I had over it. Thnx again and I will post again regarding his progress. God Bless.
Ess
Posted by Ilene on September 27, 2003, at 18:47:41
In reply to Re: An Update , posted by Essence on September 25, 2003, at 11:01:56
> It's been just over 4 wks since my son started on Prozac. Initially I asked questions on here regarding a stimulant for ADD. When my son and I saw the (new)psychiatrist back in August, I went in expecting him to prescribe something for the ADD and I wanted to make an informed decision. Going through my son's history/file from years ago and presently, as well as all the new tests he had been put through, the psychiatrist determined that my son was not ADD, but most likely born with a mood disorder (depession) and anxiety, the anxiety disorder I already knew about, that was diagnosed 2 yrs ago, and there had been hints of depression but I blew it off because "kids" don't get depressed!!! Well smack me for that line of thought. Anyhow, when he told us this, I was very skeptical, still not believing it was Depression/anxiety creating this monster. He started his Prozac and I am totally shocked at the change in him. He is sleeping, which he has never done, he gets up feeling energized, he is pleasant and engaging, he even has a sense of humour!!! He is also bringing home high marks from school and his school work is being completed thoroughly in class. His teachers have all commented on how happy and easy going he is now and how pleasant he is to have in the classroom. It was hard for me to start him on this medication, but seeing him no longer suffering is a small trade-off for all the anxiety I had over it. Thnx again and I will post again regarding his progress. God Bless.
> Ess
I'm so happy for you and your son! Please keep us posted.Ilene
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