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Posted by cybercafe on June 22, 2003, at 18:36:46
In reply to Re: New to Abilify » clusterfscked, posted by Sebastian on June 22, 2003, at 17:38:32
> clusterfscked
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> How was the Zyprexa? I had all the same side-effects as you on the Abilify. Zyprexa is the only thing that works, for me. What dose were you on, did you take any AD's with it?
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> Sebastian
hey sebastian, what made you quit abilify, was it akathisia or insomnia ?
did you try taking any other meds to help with that?
i wonder if it might be possible to take zyprexa and abilify at the same time
Posted by kotsunega on June 22, 2003, at 21:52:57
In reply to Re: Abilify , posted by bbmod on June 22, 2003, at 9:46:38
> I appreciate your concern and HAVE talked to the doctor about the tremors. Last night was his upper body, trunk, not extremities, and lasted about one minute. The psychiatrist doesn't know what they are, suggests it might be a restless leg syndrome. I'm not sure what to do next.
> He's on several other meds and I don't feel like we have a sense of which is causing what....I'm new to this board so it's very interesting to see the responses to some of the other meds he's on, all of which seem to have pretty complex side effects (lithium, lamictal, strattera, klonopin, in addition to abilify)
> Feeling pretty frustrated....don't know how to help him.....I recollect reading a post on this board that suggested taking benedryl or another prescription antihistamine to combat side effects. Here's the post: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030125/msgs/137494.html It's just a couple of lines. I don't know if you should do this without your doctor's advice, of course, but wanted to let you know this may be an option. Best wishes for everything working out.
-kotsunega
Posted by bbmod on June 23, 2003, at 0:24:06
In reply to Re: Abilify , posted by kotsunega on June 22, 2003, at 21:52:57
Thank you kotsunega! I'm gathering info for doc this week and will share your suggestion.
Posted by Sebastian on June 23, 2003, at 22:36:44
In reply to Re: New to Abilify, posted by cybercafe on June 22, 2003, at 18:36:46
I took both at the same time, no good, I didn't like the effects. Maybe I should have taken the full dose of Zyprexa like the doc suggested.
Major insomina, every night up later and sleeping less. Think I just don't function without my 10mg dose (Zyprexa that is). Anyways I've lost almost all the weight, 50 lbs, I still want to lose another 10 and be at 166 again. I take Wellbutrin now and that motivates me so I'm not as tired. I've even cut my smoking in half, wish I could quit that.
So have you switched to Abilify, and totaly off the Zyprexa?
Sebastian
Posted by Sebastian on June 23, 2003, at 22:57:40
In reply to Re: New to Abilify, posted by cybercafe on June 22, 2003, at 18:36:46
Yes I had Akathisia too, but at the same time it was like I was being robbed of energy?
Posted by cybercafe on June 23, 2003, at 23:48:26
In reply to Re: New to Abilify » cybercafe, posted by Sebastian on June 23, 2003, at 22:36:44
> I took both at the same time, no good, I didn't like the effects. Maybe I should have taken the full dose of Zyprexa like the doc suggested.
wow.. so even with zyprexa you still couldn't sleep? hmmmm... without meds do you tend towards insomnia or over sleeping? ... myself i tend to sleep too much so i wonder if abilify might be just right for me
> So have you switched to Abilify, and totaly off the Zyprexa?
nope abilify isn't available here yet... :(
Posted by cybercafe on June 23, 2003, at 23:49:14
In reply to Re: New to Abilify » cybercafe, posted by Sebastian on June 23, 2003, at 22:57:40
> Yes I had Akathisia too, but at the same time it was like I was being robbed of energy?
was the akathisia worse than the insomnia? ....
Posted by Rhiannonpa on June 24, 2003, at 5:46:57
In reply to Re: New to Abilify, posted by kotsunega on June 20, 2003, at 15:46:14
I agree...call the doctor FAST. It sounds like you are experiencing some very Serious Adverse Events. The weakness in your legs really caught my attention.
Good luck & Brighter Blessings with your meds.
Rhiannon
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> I think if it was me, I'd be calling my doctor and explaining what I am experiencing. I know others have posted that they've had some nasty effects from Abilify. I have not had any problem with it.
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> Sorry you're having a difficult time
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> -kotsunega
Posted by HOFW on June 25, 2003, at 3:24:57
In reply to Re: Abilify » HOFW, posted by bbmod on June 21, 2003, at 16:48:55
The doctor added cogenitin(benzatropin) to control the side effects (tremor in sleep, shaking of lips, akasthasia etc.), it seems to reduce the side effects to a good degree, let me know If you need additional info. Thanks
> My husband is taking 15 mg of Abilify- and has experienced similar tremor problems at night. I perceive them as similar to seizures involving his entire body. He doesn't waken during the episode and has no memory of it in the a.m.
> He seems very groggy the next day. Like you, I recognize the positive results from Abilify but feel grave concern for this side effect.
> > My wife has been taking abilify for 5 weeks, she started at 15mg, reduced to 10 mg and currently at7.5 mg.
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> > The main side effects are restlessness (akasthasia), shaking/tremors/movement of hands in sleep and blurred vision.
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> > The doc has added cogenitin to suppress the side effects and that helps with the restlessness but the other side effects remain.
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> > Has anyone experienced the shaking/movements/tremors in sleep??
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> > I think Abilify helped her on lot of positive/negative symptoms, ability to think logically, clearly, participate in conversations etc.
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> > Let me know If anyone needs additional info.
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Posted by bbmod on June 25, 2003, at 9:47:55
In reply to Re: Abilify:bbmod, posted by HOFW on June 25, 2003, at 3:24:57
Good info. Thank you. I printed it off to show the doctor. Tremors are continuing (upper trunk, too). Wow. Could I relate to the shaking lips!
> The doctor added cogenitin(benzatropin) to control the side effects (tremor in sleep, shaking of lips, akasthasia etc.), it seems to reduce the side effects to a good degree, let me know If you need additional info. Thanks
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> > My husband is taking 15 mg of Abilify- and has experienced similar tremor problems at night. I perceive them as similar to seizures involving his entire body. He doesn't waken during the episode and has no memory of it in the a.m.
> > He seems very groggy the next day. Like you, I recognize the positive results from Abilify but feel grave concern for this side effect.
> > > My wife has been taking abilify for 5 weeks, she started at 15mg, reduced to 10 mg and currently at7.5 mg.
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> > > The main side effects are restlessness (akasthasia), shaking/tremors/movement of hands in sleep and blurred vision.
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> > > The doc has added cogenitin to suppress the side effects and that helps with the restlessness but the other side effects remain.
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> > > Has anyone experienced the shaking/movements/tremors in sleep??
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> > > I think Abilify helped her on lot of positive/negative symptoms, ability to think logically, clearly, participate in conversations etc.
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> > > Let me know If anyone needs additional info.
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Posted by lynn3 on June 25, 2003, at 22:02:22
In reply to Re: Abilify , posted by bbmod on June 25, 2003, at 9:47:55
I had akathesia and insomnia with the abilify 12.5 mg /day. My doc added 50mg of Seroquel at bedtime and it took the symptoms away.
Posted by Sebastian on June 26, 2003, at 9:25:01
In reply to Re: New to Abilify, posted by cybercafe on June 23, 2003, at 23:49:14
>wow.. so even with zyprexa you still couldn't sleep? hmmmm... without meds do you tend towards insomnia or over sleeping? ... myself i tend to sleep too much so i wonder if abilify might be just right for me
Ya, I can't sleep without the Zyprexa, I tried once with just the Celexa and had a simmilar problem as with the Abilify. The Wellbutrin prevents me from over sleep. Totaly without meds, insomnia.
>nope abilify isn't available here yet... :(
Are you in Canada?
>was the akathisia worse than the insomnia? ....
Insomnia was the worst.
Posted by cybercafe on June 27, 2003, at 21:56:04
In reply to Re: New to Abilify » cybercafe, posted by Sebastian on June 26, 2003, at 9:25:01
thanks for replying bro, your insight is INVALUABLE!> >wow.. so even with zyprexa you still couldn't sleep? hmmmm... without meds do you tend towards insomnia or over sleeping? ... myself i tend to sleep too much so i wonder if abilify might be just right for me
>
> Ya, I can't sleep without the Zyprexa, I tried once with just the Celexa and had a simmilar problem as with the Abilify. The Wellbutrin prevents me from over sleep. Totaly without meds, insomnia.I know most people report insomnia on abilify but a lot of them might be insomniacs to begin with i think.....! i sleep quite a bit so maybe i won't have problems.... or ! why not just take zyprexa + abilify?
> >nope abilify isn't available here yet... :(
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> Are you in Canada?yeah.... maybe i'll drive down to buffalo to get some. i wonder if it's gone down in price at all... $13 US a pill? that's quite a lot
> >was the akathisia worse than the insomnia? ....
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> Insomnia was the worst.great! i was really worrying about akathisia ....
did you try anything to treat the insomnia?
Posted by cybercafe on June 27, 2003, at 21:58:37
In reply to Re: New to Abilify, posted by kotsunega on June 20, 2003, at 15:46:14
Hey kots how is the abilify working for you?
Does it help with ADD symptoms like inattention and impatience?
good luck bro
Posted by Sebastian on June 28, 2003, at 13:44:22
In reply to Re: New to Abilify, posted by cybercafe on June 27, 2003, at 21:56:04
>did you try anything to treat the insomnia?
I treated the insomnia by taking Zyprexa, stoping the Abilify was even better. My sleep was awfull on the Abilify I would wake up and feel as though I didn't even sleep.
The more Zyprexa I took with the Abilify the more managable the Abilify, but, still the Abilify was no fun. It was like taking acid, if that makes sence?
I even made a second atempt at the Abilify some three months after going back to Zyprexa, boy did I ever regret it in the morning, my brain didn't function all day at school, yes akathisia was a problem, not concentrating and running around just because I thought I had to be doing something.
You know what realy sucks? I have a whole $340 dollar bottle of the stuff that I'm not going to use?!
Posted by kotsunega on June 28, 2003, at 14:48:07
In reply to Re: New to Abilify » kotsunega, posted by cybercafe on June 27, 2003, at 21:58:37
> Hey kots how is the abilify working for you?
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> Does it help with ADD symptoms like inattention and impatience?
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> good luck broHey cybercafe!
Abilify continues to work well. No insomnia; no akathisia at 30 mg/day for several weeks now. I can't really tell if it helps ADD symptoms - it may do that a little bit, but since I'm taking Ritalin, it's somewhat hard to tell what's affecting symptoms. I think the thing that impresses me the most about Abilify is the total lack of feeling like I am taking a drug at all, but it's controlling my mania all the same. I guess I just feel really "normal". Wish it worked for everybody like it does for me.
regards,
-kotsunega
Posted by cybercafe on June 28, 2003, at 14:53:01
In reply to Re: New to Abilify » cybercafe, posted by Sebastian on June 28, 2003, at 13:44:22
> >did you try anything to treat the insomnia?
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> I treated the insomnia by taking Zyprexa, stoping the Abilify was even better. My sleep was awfull on the Abilify I would wake up and feel as though I didn't even sleep.hmmm.... how long were you on the abilify (3 weeks??) and how much better did things get with time?
> The more Zyprexa I took with the Abilify the more managable the Abilify, but, still the Abilify was no fun. It was like taking acid, if that makes sence?never tried acid :(
> I even made a second atempt at the Abilify some three months after going back to Zyprexa, boy did I ever regret it in the morning, my brain didn't function all day at school, yes akathisia was a problem, not concentrating and running around just because I thought I had to be doing something.hmmm... wow, i thought zyprexa was known for causing a "brain fog", abilify is even worse?
"I thought I had to be doing something" -- hey, that sounds like motivation to me, I could use some of that!
> You know what realy sucks? I have a whole $340 dollar bottle of the stuff that I'm not going to use?!i'm so jealous :)
Posted by cybercafe on June 28, 2003, at 16:07:30
In reply to Re: New to Abilify cybercafe, posted by kotsunega on June 28, 2003, at 14:48:07
> Hey cybercafe!
>
> Abilify continues to work well. No insomnia;Dude I am glad to hear you're doing well.
And as always I appreciate the info!
>no akathisia at 30 mg/day for several weeks now. I can't really tell if it helps ADD symptoms - it may do that a little bit, but since I'm taking Ritalin, it's somewhat hard to tell what's affecting symptoms. I think the thing
so when you took ritalin + zyprexa you didn't have any ADD symptoms? and now that you're taking Abilify + ritalin you also don't have any ADD symptoms?
hmmm... what were your ritalin, zyprexa dosages?
i wonder if you were taking more ritalin than me OR if your ADD isn't as bad (i can't work, HATE red lights, waiting in line, etc really impatient) i'm taking 5 mg zyprexa + 40 mg SR morning and 30 mg SR afternoon ... maybe i should just take more ritalin, i don't know
did you find the ritalin makes you kind of euphoric?>that impresses me the most about Abilify is the total lack of feeling like I am taking a drug at all, but it's controlling my mania all the same. I guess I just feel really "normal". Wish it worked for everybody like it does for me.
questions.... does it effect libido?
how many hours you sleep now (and is it refreshing) and how many did you sleep without meds? (me i tend to sleep like 12 hours without meds also 8-12 hours with 5 mg zyprexa)do you get an antidepressant effect from abilify?
sorry for all the questions bro .... i am just DIEING to get on a good drug and START my life!
Posted by clusterfscked on June 29, 2003, at 0:50:34
In reply to Re: New to Abilify cybercafe, posted by cybercafe on June 28, 2003, at 16:07:30
Hey, everyone! I just wanted to let you all know that I have been on the Abilify now for approximately a week and am doing much better in comparison to how I felt the first couple of days. After I made my initial post, I decided that I would take it the next day before going to bed. That way, if any of the feelings I had described came back, I'd already be in bed so it wouldn't matter *that* much.
So, the restlessness showed up the second night (as expected), but there weren't any real ill effects such as the 'ice pick' feeling that I had been witness to the previous day. With these new 'results', I continued taking my 10mg dosages every night before bed. I am *still* shakey though and that is something that I can't seem to shake <<pun intended>>. Someone here mentioned that it was like being on acid for them. I FULLY understand that! It *is* like being on LSD without the visual effects -- the Abilify feels like the strychnine (sp?) that the LSD releases into your blood stream during a trip.
For those of you who haven't taken LSD before, imagine shaking up a can of soda and not opening it right away. Imagine that you *are* that can of soda -- you have all of that energy locked up inside of you that you can't release. That's what it feels like to me anyhow. It's as though my CNS is working overtime, as if to overcompensate for something. <<shrugs>>
Anyhow, that's my update. Oh, to the person who asked about the Zyprexa (sorry for forgetting your name): It made me feel as bad if not a little worse than the Abilify (same family, right?). I wasn't ever able to get past the side effects of that one.
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 29, 2003, at 15:52:41
In reply to Re: New to Abilify cybercafe, posted by clusterfscked on June 29, 2003, at 0:50:34
> Hey, everyone! I just wanted to let you all know that I have been on the Abilify now for approximately a week and am doing much better in comparison to how I felt the first couple of days...
Thanks for your contributions, but could I ask you to re-register under a different posting name? Thanks,
Bob
PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies, and complaints about posts, should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Posted by neverendingcycle on June 30, 2003, at 15:10:13
In reply to Re: please re-register, posted by Dr. Bob on June 29, 2003, at 15:52:41
My son has been on abilify for less than a week and I all of a sudden have a new child at my house. He's fourteen and we have been battling with different medications for right at ten years and finally he's happy and not sooooooo scared anymore. He even asked to be taken somewhere this morning and we couldn't even get him to come out of the house. His Dr knew of the shakes and the restlessness that would occur the first few weeks and gave him another medicine to counteract those side effects and we have had nothing but the most positive effects I have seen in a long time. Other medicines have worked somewhat but only for a limited time. We kept having to up the dosage until he was maxed out. It's almost unbelievable. I am scared to get to excited about due to the "not knowing" as far as long time use of abilify but hope it keeps working.
Posted by nsaw on June 30, 2003, at 20:25:32
In reply to abilify, posted by neverendingcycle on June 30, 2003, at 15:10:13
Congratulations! My bro has been on abilify for two weeks now, and it is only now starting to take effect. All the very best, and keep us posted please.
N
Posted by LynnN. on July 7, 2003, at 3:31:45
In reply to Re:sleep and physical anxiety, posted by andys on January 20, 2003, at 14:52:32
Hi. I read that you researched some Abilify information. I would like to see this information if you still have it, and if you have time to send it to me. If you are too busy, don't worry about it! :-) I just started Abilify about a week ago for schizoaffective disorder, and it seems to be working well for me (for the time being!). It is true that I need very little sleep and wake up in the middle of the night. But this weekend I was like Superwoman!!! I ran around cleaning closets, hanging up drapes, washing windows, shopping, etc. And it was hot, but I felt like a kid...I really didn't feel the heat (I DID make sure I drank lots of water and took breaks in the air conditioning, rested, etc.) And I notice that my aches and pains are much less. I was recently diagnosed with fibromyalgia type symptoms.
Lynn
Posted by pianolady on July 24, 2003, at 1:59:33
In reply to abilify, posted by neverendingcycle on June 30, 2003, at 15:10:13
I am working on a paper in a psychopharmacology class on using abilify with children. My pdoc is also considering putting me on abilify. I would be interested in how it is going for your son and if he is seeing different side effects than the other people who have posted here? Also, has it been effective? If you don't mind saying, what is your son diagnosed with?
Thanks in advance for the help.
Posted by helping my mom on August 9, 2003, at 11:04:03
In reply to schizotypal personality disorder, posted by marepax on June 3, 2003, at 20:52:29
Marepax...
I feel for you as my mother was recently hospitalized and will likely be diagnosed with schizo-affective. She lives in Dallas with no support and I am in Chicago. We believe that she has gone nearly 30 years undiagnosed and untreated. It was not possible to get her help until her recent psychotic break.
The first thing I would say is -- take care of yourself. It is the only way you will be able to take care of your son, who definitely needs you more than ever.
Secondly, i am not sure where you are located or what your financial recources are, but we found an organization called The Planned Living Assistance Network -- it was started by two dads who had sons with mental illness and wanted to be sure that they received the same level of care they would provide after they were gone. The Plan offers socialization activities, therapy and case management. And, they work with other resources in your state to provide affordable, managed care to meet the needs of your situation. They have been an absolute blessing for our family. To find out more info, check out:
http://web.nami.org/helpline/plan.htmAlso, your local chapter of NAMI (National Association for the Mentally Ill) is a great resource to find services and education / support.
We are also looking into Abilify. So I'll be interested to learn how your son finds it to be.
Best of luck to you both.
Helping My Mom
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