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Posted by jerrympls on May 29, 2003, at 21:45:31
Ugh. So, I finally saw my "new" psychiatrist today - due to the sheer luck of somone's cancellation - anyway, I filled out all the paperwork on my history w/ depression + anxiety including all the meds I've been on, ECT and the VNS implant. The nurse says to me - before she goes to get the dr. - "So, what do you want to get out of today's appointment?" I respond: "Well, I'd like to talk to the dr. about treatment options including the possibilty of alterntative treatments and/or trying some off-lable meds.." to which she says: "Oh no - we can't do anything like that."
Ugh. Actually, I was kind of expecting that kind of response so I didn't say anything except to give a "So, what do you want me to do then?" look -
so, the dr. comes in and gets right to the point and says:
"You're the man who's tried everything, and to be perfectly honest with you, I have no ideas as to how to treat you. You've been on everything. There's nothing more. That's psychiatry's dirty little secret: not everyone responds to treatment and some will will only achieve a very partial response if anything at all."
Talk about a mood lifter. It really didn't get to me - I was prepared for inexperience w/ difficult to treat mood disorders and a quiet refusal to even consider something novel like Mirapex, etc.
Honestly, I gotta respect that at least he was up front with me. The one good thing that came from the appointment was a referral to a pulmonologist to test me for sleep apnea (runs in my family and I have all the symptoms). So, hopefully I'll find out about that.
In the meantime, the search continues for an experienced, compassionate and gutsy psychopharmocologist who will work with me to find something......at least so music will warm my soul again.....I'd settle for just that.....
Thanks for listening....
Jerry
Posted by Jack Smith on May 29, 2003, at 22:11:06
In reply to Saw new pdoc, said nothing more could be done...., posted by jerrympls on May 29, 2003, at 21:45:31
> "You're the man who's tried everything, and to be perfectly honest with you, I have no ideas as to how to treat you. You've been on everything. There's nothing more. That's psychiatry's dirty little secret: not everyone responds to treatment and some will will only achieve a very partial response if anything at all."
>Frankly, I am outraged by this. I agree that the doctor at least had the honesty to admit that he couldn't help BUT he certainly could have TRIED to refer you to someone else or to tell you that he would ask around for someone with experience in extremely resistant mood disorders. You cannot have tried everything. That is mathematically impossible, by the way. Combinations of different psychiatric drugs for a therapeutic amount of time could take up a lifetime. Anyways, you have not even tried off label drugs like Mirapex? Correct? Have you tried opiates? This is definitely something you should look into. I suggest you contact Dr. Ivan and tell him your story with this dr., I think he would try to refer you to someone in your area who is willing to at least TRY.
BY the way, did you ask about Mirapex? I cannot believe that he would be unwilling to even give you a script for it!
What is this doctor's name by the way? I think it is safe to say that no one here should go see him.
JACK
Posted by ace on May 29, 2003, at 22:16:46
In reply to Saw new pdoc, said nothing more could be done...., posted by jerrympls on May 29, 2003, at 21:45:31
> Ugh. So, I finally saw my "new" psychiatrist today - due to the sheer luck of somone's cancellation - anyway, I filled out all the paperwork on my history w/ depression + anxiety including all the meds I've been on, ECT and the VNS implant. The nurse says to me - before she goes to get the dr. - "So, what do you want to get out of today's appointment?"
How condescending. You should of said "What do YOU think I want to get out of it?"
I respond: "Well, I'd like to talk to the dr. about treatment options including the possibilty of alterntative treatments and/or trying some off-lable meds.." to which she says: "Oh no - we can't do anything like that."
Um...why not? Typical psychiatric jumped-up nurse!
> Ugh. Actually, I was kind of expecting that kind of response so I didn't say anything except to give a "So, what do you want me to do then?" look -
>
> so, the dr. comes in and gets right to the point and says:
>
> "You're the man who's tried everything, and to be perfectly honest with you, I have no ideas as to how to treat you. You've been on everything. There's nothing more. That's psychiatry's dirty little secret: not everyone responds to treatment and some will will only achieve a very partial response if anything at all."
Lie. Simply not true. One must keep searching. If not monotherapy, try polypharmacy. If he has no ideas, then give him the flick...find a doc who has ideas and there are plenty. In my experience people only respond partially because of incompetence on the Dr's behalf. One pdoc said to me when I was on 200mg Zoloft and recieving little benifit for my OCD "At that dose no other drug would be better" Huh? I'm on Nardil now which kills OCD better than Zoloft ever came NEAR to killing. You see, this is why it is best to be proactive in your treatment. I have heard of people staying on meds for years with only partial responses. Why?> Talk about a mood lifter. It really didn't get to me -
Great attitude. Keep your head up!
I was prepared for inexperience w/ difficult to treat mood disorders and a quiet refusal to even consider something novel like Mirapex, etc.
>
> Honestly, I gotta respect that at least he was up front with me. The one good thing that came from the appointment was a referral to a pulmonologist to test me for sleep apnea (runs in my family and I have all the symptoms). So, hopefully I'll find out about that.
>
> In the meantime, the search continues for an experienced, compassionate and gutsy psychopharmocologist who will work with me to find something......at least so music will warm my soul again.....I'd settle for just that.....Good luck my friend....BTW have you tried the mighty MAOIs? MAOIs with augmentation?
> Thanks for listening....
>
> JerryAce.
Posted by ace on May 29, 2003, at 22:23:53
In reply to Re: Saw new pdoc, said nothing more could be done., posted by Jack Smith on May 29, 2003, at 22:11:06
Did you remember that post about the young child on Risperidone? Can you believe that? A mother who is worried goes in good faith to a 'Doctor" and is not even warned about THE most serious s/effect - which is very possible for a young child her age. Decietful.
Anyhow, did you chase that up? I remember saying you were going to do something. Did she get back to you?
Ace.
Posted by Jack Smith on May 29, 2003, at 22:54:28
In reply to Jack...got to ask you something., posted by ace on May 29, 2003, at 22:23:53
> Did you remember that post about the young child on Risperidone? Can you believe that? A mother who is worried goes in good faith to a 'Doctor" and is not even warned about THE most serious s/effect - which is very possible for a young child her age. Decietful.
>
> Anyhow, did you chase that up? I remember saying you were going to do something. Did she get back to you?
>
> Ace.
No, she did not respond to my questions but I find it almost unbelievable that a child of 2 would be given risperdal, for OCD no less, let alone not warned of its side effects. I think you would agree that if a 2 year old has OCD that is so bad that it needs to be medicated, a low dose ssri would probably be the first option. I actually wanted to refer her to a lawyer because if what she is saying is true, that is a textbook example of medical malpractice.It also exemplifies one of the things that I try to point out to so many people who criticize psychiatric drugs--it is usually not the drug companies fault but the prescribing doctor who did not fully inform patients of the risks of medication. Those screaming at Wyeth that effexor should be taken off the market should be screaming at their doctors for not warning them of withdrawl (which was well known by 1996, look at Dr. Bob's psych. pharm tips) and by not handling it with well-known methods.
I have no problems with atypical antipsychotics, I just think that people should be warned about their dangers. I don't know if you remember but there was this guy who posted here quite a bit a while ago, utopizen, his doc insisted on giving him risperdal but refused to give him klonopin!! Incomprehensible.
JACK
Posted by McPac on May 29, 2003, at 23:01:52
In reply to Jack...got to ask you something., posted by ace on May 29, 2003, at 22:23:53
"Did you remember that post about the young child on Risperidone? Can you believe that? A mother who is worried goes in good faith to a 'Doctor" and is not even warned about THE most serious s/effect - which is very possible for a young child her age. Decietful".
>>>>>>>> I PERSONALLY know of another situation that is EXACTLY like that one! It JUST happened LAST WEEK......mother of a 9-yr old boy, goes to shrink, shrink puts the kid on Risperidone (this kid has ADD for God sakes! nothing more), mother read literature ON HER OWN about side-effects, was very pissed off at shrink because ONLY thing shrink said was "may cause weight gain, that's it"..........on a side-note, I can only say that I truly wish that some of the worthless shrinks that I have PERSONALLY had truly rot in Hell..(I have FAR, FAR, FAR WORSE personal reasons for saying that)..better yet, I'd love nothing more than to see them, on an abandoned island, with no witnesses around......THAT would be my dream!
Posted by jerrympls on May 29, 2003, at 23:07:22
In reply to Re: Saw new pdoc, said nothing more could be done., posted by Jack Smith on May 29, 2003, at 22:11:06
> > "You're the man who's tried everything, and to be perfectly honest with you, I have no ideas as to how to treat you. You've been on everything. There's nothing more. That's psychiatry's dirty little secret: not everyone responds to treatment and some will will only achieve a very partial response if anything at all."
> >
>
> Frankly, I am outraged by this. I agree that the doctor at least had the honesty to admit that he couldn't help BUT he certainly could have TRIED to refer you to someone else or to tell you that he would ask around for someone with experience in extremely resistant mood disorders. You cannot have tried everything. That is mathematically impossible, by the way. Combinations of different psychiatric drugs for a therapeutic amount of time could take up a lifetime. Anyways, you have not even tried off label drugs like Mirapex? Correct? Have you tried opiates? This is definitely something you should look into. I suggest you contact Dr. Ivan and tell him your story with this dr., I think he would try to refer you to someone in your area who is willing to at least TRY.
>
> BY the way, did you ask about Mirapex? I cannot believe that he would be unwilling to even give you a script for it!
>
> What is this doctor's name by the way? I think it is safe to say that no one here should go see him.
>
> JACKHi Jack-
thanks for the reply. After hearing "OH NO -we can't prescribe antyhing off-lable here..." from the nurse, I abandoned any attempts to even bring up the subject of a trying a med like Mirapex. No, I haven't tried Mirapex or other meds like amantadine, however, although haven't been prescribed opiates for depression necessarily, I have talked to my current research doc that hydrocodone has been the best "anti-depressant" I've ever been on (following surgical procedures, dental work, etc). I don't get "high" or manic - I just feel normal again - feel motivated to "live" again.....I explained this to him and he was very open and said it was a possibility to try something like that in the future. You're probabaly wondering why I'm not seeing HIM instead of Dr. No Hope -well, it's kind of complicated, but there's a conflict seeing him as my primary pdoc while in the study I'm currently a part of.
Back to this dr. I saw today - yes - it's quite amazing he didn't even offer to help find someone more experienced. He switched very quickly to the subject of sleep apnea and then said: "Wait to come back to see me once you've had your sleep study and have been treated by the pulmo dr."
Uhh.....hmm..ok? Nah - I do plan on doing the sleep study, etc. because I think I do need some treatment - but I won't be seeing Dr. You Have Nothing To Live For again.
Interesting that you bring up Dr. Ivan. I exchanged many helpful emails with him many years ago right before he became the depression "cult icon" he is today. Dr. Ivan is an extremely intelligent, wonderful dr. and person. In one of my emails, I told him if I had the money I'd fly to New York just for one appointment. Of course I was 23-24 yrs old at the time and in college and broke. Anyway, I may just take your advice and see what Dr. Ivan has to say......
Anyway, I'll keep you all posted. Thanks so much for your advice and support - it helps more than you can know.
Jerry :-)
to be continued......
Posted by McPac on May 29, 2003, at 23:10:58
In reply to Saw new pdoc, said nothing more could be done...., posted by jerrympls on May 29, 2003, at 21:45:31
Jerry,
screw that nitwit shrink (and his skank nurse too)........there IS a solution to your problem even though you may be feeling helpless at the moment.
Is there a post where you give more background on your problem(s)? (Your diagnosis, what meds you've tried, other info)? Do you always feel SEVERELY depressed?
Posted by Paulie on May 29, 2003, at 23:38:23
In reply to Saw new pdoc, said nothing more could be done...., posted by jerrympls on May 29, 2003, at 21:45:31
Sorry to hear about your appointment with this uplifting doctor. Don't buy it when he said there's nothing more. Psychopharmaceutical combinations can be virtually endless. Nothing more that HE can do. Here's a link to best psychiatrists/psychopharmacologists compiled by Ivan Goldberg (in case you don't know about it)-
http://www.psycom.net/depression.central.psychiatrists.htmlDon't lose hope-
Paul
Posted by Snoozy on May 29, 2003, at 23:47:19
In reply to Saw new pdoc, said nothing more could be done...., posted by jerrympls on May 29, 2003, at 21:45:31
Geez, I'm sorry you had to go through such a crummy experience. "What do you want to get out of today's appointment?" has to be one of the dumbest questions I've heard. What does anyone want when they see a doctor? They want to feel better! Duh! That's a question more suited to a hair salon.
I've been thinking of consulting with a psychopharmacologist too - someone who's not afraid to try unusual drugs or drug combos. I hope you're able to find a good one.
I'm just curious - was this Dr. No a younger guy, just out of med school, or has he been practicing for a long time?
I really hope the sleep apnea pans out, and maybe you'll find some answers there. And good for you for not letting this ridiculousness get to you!
Posted by jerrympls on May 30, 2003, at 0:47:44
In reply to Re: Saw new pdoc, said nothing more could be done.... » jerrympls, posted by Snoozy on May 29, 2003, at 23:47:19
> Geez, I'm sorry you had to go through such a crummy experience. "What do you want to get out of today's appointment?" has to be one of the dumbest questions I've heard. What does anyone want when they see a doctor? They want to feel better! Duh! That's a question more suited to a hair salon.
>
> I've been thinking of consulting with a psychopharmacologist too - someone who's not afraid to try unusual drugs or drug combos. I hope you're able to find a good one.
>
> I'm just curious - was this Dr. No a younger guy, just out of med school, or has he been practicing for a long time?
>
> I really hope the sleep apnea pans out, and maybe you'll find some answers there. And good for you for not letting this ridiculousness get to you!Hi Snoozy-
The Dr. was middle aged seemed somewhat intelligent. I did look around his office as I was waiting for him to come in and noticed volumes of the PDR drug reference among his shelves. I've never heard good things about the PDR - not have I heard good things about Dr.'s who use it as a bible. He seemed to be a big fan of the PDR. In my opinion- bad sign.
Thanks for your reply- I'll keep you posted!
Jerry
Posted by ace on May 30, 2003, at 0:58:57
In reply to Ace, Re: Jack...got to ask you something., posted by McPac on May 29, 2003, at 23:01:52
>
> >>>>>>>> I PERSONALLY know of another situation that is EXACTLY like that one! It JUST happened LAST WEEK......mother of a 9-yr old boy, goes to shrink, shrink puts the kid on Risperidone (this kid has ADD for God sakes! nothing more), mother read literature ON HER OWN about side-effects, was very pissed off at shrink because ONLY thing shrink said was "may cause weight gain, that's it"..........on a side-note, I can only say that I truly wish that some of the worthless shrinks that I have PERSONALLY had truly rot in Hell..(I have FAR, FAR, FAR WORSE personal reasons for saying that)..better yet, I'd love nothing more than to see them, on an abandoned island, with no witnesses around......THAT would be my dream!It's crazy isn't it? A 9 year old on Risperidone because of ADD. Man I understand your anger. They are a revolting bunch of characters. Last one I saw (believe LAST one!) had the audacity to say "so what do others think of you - a wierdo" The way he said it and smirked was like "yeah you are a wierdo" The clown said I don't have OCD because I don't do any sort of rituals...This was after giving him extensive personal notes outlining both cognitive and behavioural rituals...the fool! Also he was so proffesional he couldn't stop saying the 'f' word and how the world was 'f'd' and it was going to end in 100yrs. Like they werent saying that 1000 years ago, you stupid moron!
Furthermore, and sorry for going on, this 'Dr' said he was going to raise Zoloft to 200mg - after I CLEARLY stated that 25mg works the same . His reason: 'well, I want an objective look". The idiot! I am the SUBJECT that is suffering! If thats not enough he said I wasn't suffering/disordered too much, but then said I was far too diordederd to become a psychopharmacologist. What a goon! Have I abused him enough?!
Sorry McPac, but I have a lot to say about those clowns. Dude, keep up exposing them! You rule bro!Ace.
Posted by ace on May 30, 2003, at 1:02:42
In reply to Jerry, Re: Saw new pdoc, said nothing more could , posted by McPac on May 29, 2003, at 23:10:58
screw that nitwit shrink (and his skank nurse too)........Man, you are a legend!! I couldn't have put it better!!!!!!!!!!! The 'skank nurse' bit is great, I couldn't stop laughing!!! A lot of psych nurses have the doctor-nurse syndrome!!!
Take Care bro!
Ace.
Posted by Caleb462 on May 30, 2003, at 1:03:29
In reply to Saw new pdoc, said nothing more could be done...., posted by jerrympls on May 29, 2003, at 21:45:31
> Ugh. So, I finally saw my "new" psychiatrist today - due to the sheer luck of somone's cancellation - anyway, I filled out all the paperwork on my history w/ depression + anxiety including all the meds I've been on, ECT and the VNS implant. The nurse says to me - before she goes to get the dr. - "So, what do you want to get out of today's appointment?" I respond: "Well, I'd like to talk to the dr. about treatment options including the possibilty of alterntative treatments and/or trying some off-lable meds.." to which she says: "Oh no - we can't do anything like that."
>
> Ugh. Actually, I was kind of expecting that kind of response so I didn't say anything except to give a "So, what do you want me to do then?" look -
>
> so, the dr. comes in and gets right to the point and says:
>
> "You're the man who's tried everything, and to be perfectly honest with you, I have no ideas as to how to treat you. You've been on everything. There's nothing more. That's psychiatry's dirty little secret: not everyone responds to treatment and some will will only achieve a very partial response if anything at all."
>
> Talk about a mood lifter. It really didn't get to me - I was prepared for inexperience w/ difficult to treat mood disorders and a quiet refusal to even consider something novel like Mirapex, etc.
>
> Honestly, I gotta respect that at least he was up front with me. The one good thing that came from the appointment was a referral to a pulmonologist to test me for sleep apnea (runs in my family and I have all the symptoms). So, hopefully I'll find out about that.
>
> In the meantime, the search continues for an experienced, compassionate and gutsy psychopharmocologist who will work with me to find something......at least so music will warm my soul again.....I'd settle for just that.....
>
> Thanks for listening....
>
> JerryThat is just reprehensible. Disgusting, really. Someone should really do a large-scale expose on psychiatry... that would be great.
Posted by ace on May 30, 2003, at 1:11:37
In reply to Re: Saw new pdoc, said nothing more could be done...., posted by Caleb462 on May 30, 2003, at 1:03:29
> That is just reprehensible. Disgusting, really. Someone should really do a large-scale expose on psychiatry... that would be great.
Unfortunately it's common practice amongst them. Peter R. Breggin does a great job exposing most psychiatrists vile behaviour....the guy is a legend...on his site he has a part called "we welcome whistle blowers"! In other words dob in the bad shrinks!!!
Ace.
Posted by stjames on May 30, 2003, at 1:33:16
In reply to Saw new pdoc, said nothing more could be done...., posted by jerrympls on May 29, 2003, at 21:45:31
Can you call the pdocs in your area and just
ask the nurse if the doc likes/has knowlage in treating resistant depressions ?
Posted by ace on May 30, 2003, at 2:25:44
In reply to Re: Jack...got to ask you something., posted by Jack Smith on May 29, 2003, at 22:54:28
it is usually not the drug companies fault but the prescribing doctor who did not fully inform patients of the risks of medication.
That's a very good point...and I agree with you...a child of such a young age on such a powerful drug...it's sick. Like you said, she had OCD too...I mean, what the heck is the doc thinking? It really makes you wonder. I think there should be mandatory disclosure of all possible s/effects.
BTW, what I find most problematic is the fact that FDA officials are allowed to work for, and have financial ties to, pharmaceutical companies.
It is ridiculous. Clearly unethical.Ace.
Posted by judy1 on May 30, 2003, at 12:28:05
In reply to Re: Saw new pdoc, said nothing more could be done., posted by jerrympls on May 29, 2003, at 23:07:22
I'm sorry you had such a negative experience with that pdoc- I have seen quite a few that fall in that category. It sounds as if opiates are quite effective for you (as they are for me), why search for anything else? Usually the difficulty lies in finding a doc to prescribe them for depression (it took me quite a while), but since you've found one, I would work out whatever I had to in order to see him/her. best of luck-judy
Posted by colin wallace on May 30, 2003, at 13:11:36
In reply to Saw new pdoc, said nothing more could be done...., posted by jerrympls on May 29, 2003, at 21:45:31
I had a great one too.I had a bad hypomanic episode(mixed-state) a couple of years back, and drove my car off the road and into a ditch(I'd been playing high speed 'chicken' with cars, and just missed the sheep I was eager to dispatch into space before I crashed).
In the psych. hospital, my psych. was miffed that I'd interrupted his day(the nurse said,"what, you mean you DON'T have an appointment?!)and took me into a side room,where I admitted to being suicidal.He issued 200mg Valproate, and sent me home with a follow-up appointment in six months time.Whilst interviewing me(I was as mad as a weasel in a sack),he actually yawned.I'll never ever forget that one.
I became very ill, very quickly, crawled back and asked for Lamotrigine, after much research.
He said, nah, that stuff makes people psychotic.
He patted me on the head, and gave me 250mg Lithium, and a further 6 month appointment.
He also said my options were 'getting narrow.'
How encouraging.NHS beauty.
Anyway, I bought myself some Lamictal, and sorted myself the hell out eventually.
Looking back, I'd rather have visited Dr Mengele.
Posted by McPac on May 30, 2003, at 20:49:09
In reply to Re: Jerry, Re: Saw new pdoc, said nothing more could » McPac, posted by ace on May 30, 2003, at 1:02:42
Ace,
I can see it now, the new Universal pasttime---"Shrink Hunting"........sweeping the globe, hundreds of thousands of disgusted, fed-up, terribly treated former shrink patients decide to hunt down their worthless ex-shrinks....kind of like making one final "appointment"....Hollywood already made the flick "Good Will Hunting".....how about a "Bad Will Hunting"? lol
Posted by jerrympls on May 30, 2003, at 22:03:35
In reply to Re: Saw new pdoc, said nothing more could be done.... » jerrympls, posted by colin wallace on May 30, 2003, at 13:11:36
> I had a great one too. I had a bad hypomanic episode(mixed-state) a couple of years back, and drove my car off the road and into a ditch(I'd been playing high speed 'chicken' with cars, and just missed the sheep I was eager to dispatch into space before I crashed).
> In the psych. hospital, my psych. was miffed that I'd interrupted his day(the nurse said,"what, you mean you DON'T have an appointment?!)and took me into a side room,where I admitted to being suicidal.He issued 200mg Valproate, and sent me home with a follow-up appointment in six months time.Whilst interviewing me(I was as mad as a weasel in a sack),he actually yawned.I'll never ever forget that one.
> I became very ill, very quickly, crawled back and asked for Lamotrigine, after much research.
> He said, nah, that stuff makes people psychotic.
> He patted me on the head, and gave me 250mg Lithium, and a further 6 month appointment.
> He also said my options were 'getting narrow.'
> How encouraging.NHS beauty.
> Anyway, I bought myself some Lamictal, and sorted myself the hell out eventually.
> Looking back, I'd rather have visited Dr Mengele.Colin -
Your experience disgusts me to no end - you admitted you were suicidal and they SENT YOU HOME!??! 6 month wait for your next appointment?!??! Isn't that against the law?! And the nurse reprimanding you for not having an appointment??!
How horrible psychiatric care can be and IS. WHY are these people in this profession?? If nurses hate seeing patients - especially those with mood disorders -WHY ARE THEY NURSES? CARE GIVER?? Hardly. My Mom's a nurse at a nursing home and has told me HORROR stories about how terrible other nurses - including administrators - treat the elderly patients. She even witnessed nurses pocketing narcotics and other meds that were supposed to go to the patient during med rounds. She's going to testify against them in court soon.
Anyway, I get LIVID if I think too much about uncompassionate, inexcusably incompetent psychiatrists and psychiatric nurses who are out there in there world treating patients the way you and I - and millions of others - have been treated. Why don't they care? I just cannot comprend why they don't care and why they get irritated if their day is interrupted by a person who needs help???!
I don't mean to scare anyone with this next bit of info - but, I did overhear once two psych docs boasting to each other about how much money they were making by having their patients go through multiple (20 + ) treatments of ECT. I was frozen with disgust. Of course - this does NOT mean that all psychiatrists are like that and I do not mean to imply anything either.
Anyway, I REALLY REALLY hate having to spend so much time, energy ( the small amount I have), money and continued emotional disappointment searching and searching and searching for a competent, compassionate, PERSON who happens to be a psychiatrist. You know what I mean?
Dr. Bob - I commend you for this site and the opportunity you give us to continue to post. I don't know you very well or your credentials, but I hope you hear us and will work to make a difference in the psychiatric community -- to encourage compassion and urge your collegues to look at us - those who battle with mood disorders -- as PEOPLE. People who want to sing and dance again. People who want to stop and smell the roses. People who want to run marathons and climb mountains. People who so deperately want to live again...to laugh...to marry...to love....
I'm sure you already do this...but, I just wanted to offer a friendly reminder.
Thanks to all who have replied to my posts. I wish for us all to one day, look in the mirror, smile, and have the person reflected smile back, with confidence and the warmth and and love we so much deserve.
I know this is cheesy but to quote:
"If happy, little bluebirds fly -- beyond the rainbow -- why, oh why, can't I?"
Someday, we will.
Thanks
Jerry
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 31, 2003, at 0:04:14
In reply to Re: Saw new pdoc, said nothing more could be done.... » colin wallace, posted by jerrympls on May 30, 2003, at 22:03:35
> Your experience disgusts me to no end - you admitted you were suicidal and they SENT YOU HOME!??!
I'm sorry if people haven't been treated well, but I'd like follow-ups not related to medication to be redirected to Psycho-Social-Babble.
> Dr. Bob - I commend you for this site and the opportunity you give us to continue to post... I hope you hear us and will work to make a difference in the psychiatric community
Thanks, I do what I can!
Bob
Posted by colin wallace on May 31, 2003, at 4:03:39
In reply to Redirect: Saw new pdoc, posted by Dr. Bob on May 31, 2003, at 0:04:14
> I'm sorry if people haven't been treated well, but I'd like follow-ups not related to medication to be redirected to Psycho-Social-Babble.
Bob,
After rattling off a personal negative experience here, I just wanted to say that I generally hold a positive view of psychiatry, appreciate that there are some super psychiatrists out there(I've since found one), and greatly appreciate your efforts and expertise here on this site.Without it,I would have been completely isolated at one point, and may not even have pulled through.
Col.
ps. I'm talking to a man who dresses as a sunflower?? I need a new appointment.
Posted by jerrympls on May 31, 2003, at 13:19:50
In reply to Re: Redirect: Saw new pdoc » Dr. Bob, posted by colin wallace on May 31, 2003, at 4:03:39
> > I'm sorry if people haven't been treated well, but I'd like follow-ups not related to medication to be redirected to Psycho-Social-Babble.
>
> Bob,
>
> After rattling off a personal negative experience here, I just wanted to say that I generally hold a positive view of psychiatry, appreciate that there are some super psychiatrists out there(I've since found one), and greatly appreciate your efforts and expertise here on this site.Without it,I would have been completely isolated at one point, and may not even have pulled through.
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> Col.
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> ps. I'm talking to a man who dresses as a sunflower?? I need a new appointment.My previous rattlings were in no way meant to label all psychiatrists as bad or put the profession in a negative light. I was simply posting my experiences, and frustrations with the negative experiences that I have had. I also thanked Dr. Bob for allowing us to "rattle" negatively and positively on this board.
Sorry if come across as a little grumpy. I didn't sleep well last night.
Thanks
Jerry
Posted by colin wallace on June 1, 2003, at 4:24:37
In reply to Re: Redirect: Saw new pdoc » colin wallace, posted by jerrympls on May 31, 2003, at 13:19:50
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> My previous rattlings were in no way meant to label all psychiatrists as bad or put the profession in a negative light. I was simply posting my experiences, and frustrations with the negative experiences that I have had. I also thanked Dr. Bob for allowing us to "rattle" negatively and positively on this board.
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> Sorry if come across as a little grumpy. I didn't sleep well last night.
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> Thanks
> Jerry
>Hey Jerry,
I posted one to you prior to this, but it seems to have vanished.But hell, if anyone's entitled to a little grumpiness, it's us!!
If we were sat around a table right now, I bet I'd be the one with the more 'colourful' descriptions of these particularly insensitive fools who (mis)treated us.
My brush with this inept doc. (and his crone)left me feeling bitter and betrayed for a long time.I still find it quite difficult to place my trust in anyone, frankly.
I know that of course you weren't negatively branding all psychs., just as I wasn't(except maybe all NHS psychs!!)
Nah,I'm just trying to put that one behind me, and thought I'd counterbalance it by highlighting a (sincere)positive-just as you did.Take care, keep us informed, and stay away from Dr.Mengele!!!
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