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Posted by fanni on May 14, 2003, at 15:09:11
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by cybercafe on May 13, 2003, at 16:24:49
yeah same here,its a tricky one,hard for others to say.i would definitely recommend its something you feel passionate about,that way it will intrigue you more and hold your attention for longer.a lot of people i think tend to choose jobs below their skill level,just because its there and available,i find myself flitting from job to job,but theres a course im really interested in so im going for that.
Posted by MB on May 19, 2003, at 11:14:54
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by Ame Sans Vie on May 11, 2003, at 18:53:31
> I've wondered about this myself, though I also have another question to raise. A few years ago, my IQ was tested to be 170. After a year of LSD use, it shot up to 190. Is it possible that LSD could really be the culprit?
That would mean that after LSD you were more "intellegent" than Galileo, da Vinci, and Kant. Taking the Flynn Effect into account (which, as a genius, you will already know about) you were more intellegent than Leibnitz (the man who invented Calculus for fun) and Newton (the man who invented Calculus independently of Leibnitz in order to prove the laws of Physics). Congratulations, because even *before* LSD, you left Descartes in the dust.
MB
Posted by johnj on May 19, 2003, at 11:19:33
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS? » Ame Sans Vie, posted by MB on May 19, 2003, at 11:14:54
discovered? Just wondering
johnj
Posted by MB on May 19, 2003, at 11:48:21
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS? » Ame Sans Vie, posted by MB on May 19, 2003, at 11:14:54
The sarcasm in the above post was unkind and uncalled for. Right now, I'm bitter for being faced with a choice of either being too sick from medication or too sick from my illness to enjoy a life that has the capacity to be wonderful. I'm feeling hopeless and worthless. I came to this board in a grumpy mood and took it out on Ame Sans Vie, who, from the above posts, seems like a kind and decent human being. I have always felt inadequate for my mediocre I.Q., and I suppose there was some jealousy at work in my sardonic reaction to her post. Ame Sans Vie, please accept my apologies for my passive-aggressive attitude, and my implications that you were lying in your post. No one deserves that manner of treatment, and I need to work at being a better person regardless of how crummy I feel. I also apologize to the group.
MB
> That would mean that after LSD you were more "intellegent" than Galileo, da Vinci, and Kant. Taking the Flynn Effect into account (which, as a genius, you will already know about) you were more intellegent than Leibnitz (the man who invented Calculus for fun) and Newton (the man who invented Calculus independently of Leibnitz in order to prove the laws of Physics). Congratulations, because even *before* LSD, you left Descartes in the dust.
>
> MB
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 19, 2003, at 12:38:26
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS? » MB, posted by MB on May 19, 2003, at 11:48:21
Posted by johnj on May 19, 2003, at 13:44:26
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS? » MB, posted by MB on May 19, 2003, at 11:48:21
I am sorry I wasn't trying to hurt you. I said it in jest not out of spite or hateful intentions. I know where you stand right now as I am in the same place. Last week I had 3 horrible nights and had to go on a med that makes me zoned out, but affords me some sleep. I have had up and downs for over a year and it sucks. I agree we all deserve better than what we feel right now. Please accept my apology.
johnj
Posted by waterlily on May 19, 2003, at 14:55:50
In reply to CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by MichelleMyBelle on May 11, 2003, at 1:12:46
For what it's worth, my IQ is 131 and I suffer from anxiety and depression. I also have a familial history of depression and have passed it onto my daughter.
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on May 19, 2003, at 16:22:10
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS? » Ame Sans Vie, posted by MB on May 19, 2003, at 11:14:54
lol, that's interesting to know. I know I don't use anywhere near my full intellect though. Anytime I attempt such a thing, my mind becomes incredibly overwhelmed and confused. But I suppose I can live with just allowing my IQ to hover aroud 160. :-)
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on May 19, 2003, at 16:28:24
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS? » MB, posted by MB on May 19, 2003, at 11:48:21
Hey, it's okay... I'd never expect anyone to believe me anyway. I was just throwing in what I have experienced regarding intelligence and various forms of "mental health" (LSD included). Unlike *some* people who think that this board should be totally bland and vanilla, I don't think we learn a damned thing that really matters about mental health unless we question each other. I would never ask you to believe me... and believe me, I respect your remarks. You had something to say, and you said it. Without that, we poor humans have lost our character. Feel no need to apologize... I shouldn't have mentioned it in the first place. I should have known that it may upset someone. Thank you for being considerate though. :-)
P.S. I'm male, just thought you should know, lol.
Posted by bookgurl99 on May 25, 2003, at 16:28:05
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by stjames on May 11, 2003, at 21:59:19
> No. IQ varies widely throughout life. You can take it on different days and get swings as wide as tens of points. There is also a margin of error of several points.
Whew! This post relieved me. As a 12 year old, I tested at about 135 (my twin at 136.). Then last year, I took one -- I suspect I may have had a migraine at the time -- and I tested at 125. I thought my brains were turning to mush!
Posted by MB on May 27, 2003, at 23:28:41
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS? » MB, posted by Ame Sans Vie on May 19, 2003, at 16:28:24
Whoops, sorry. lol
> P.S. I'm male, just thought you should know, lol.
Posted by Pfinstegg on May 27, 2003, at 23:33:32
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by cybercafe on May 13, 2003, at 16:24:49
Wow, Cybercafe.. you are one of the people to whom one can say, "follow your heart- you can do ANYTHING!" However, I know you would have if something major weren't blocking your way. Just checking - but are you state of the art on medication for ADHD? I know that can be brought under good control, because my son has it severely, and with medication, is just completing a PhD in physics (string theory) at Princeton- his IQ is 26 points less than yours. Not that you would want to do physics- but you would need something difficult, challenging and exciting, wouldn't you?
Pfinstegg
Posted by MB on May 27, 2003, at 23:39:33
In reply to My post? » MB, posted by johnj on May 19, 2003, at 13:44:26
Oh, no, I wasn't upset about your post at all...I didn't even read it until today. I was just grumpy about things in general, and took it out in a lame way on Ame Sans Vie. I think your question is interesting: "Was Calculus invented or discovered?" I sometimes figure that the properties of the Universe are "discovered," while the techniques used to measure those properties, and the means to make predictions based on those measurements are "invented". But then again, I wonder sometimes if all knowledge is innate, and if we are really "rediscovering" what we have always known (the "you already are the Buddha" sort of thing). Wow, sometimes I listen to myself talk and wonder if *I* took too much acid. lol
MB
> I am sorry I wasn't trying to hurt you. I said it in jest not out of spite or hateful intentions. I know where you stand right now as I am in the same place. Last week I had 3 horrible nights and had to go on a med that makes me zoned out, but affords me some sleep. I have had up and downs for over a year and it sucks. I agree we all deserve better than what we feel right now. Please accept my apology.
> johnj
Posted by cybercafe on May 28, 2003, at 3:55:47
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS? » cybercafe, posted by Pfinstegg on May 27, 2003, at 23:33:32
> Wow, Cybercafe.. you are one of the people to whom one can say, "follow your heart- you can do ANYTHING!" However, I know you would have if
thanks bro :)
>something major weren't blocking your way. Just checking - but are you state of the art on medication for ADHD? I know that can be brought
well my problem is that stimulant medication tends to work against mood stabilizing medication (i am bipolar and have ADHD)
>under good control, because my son has it severely, and with medication, is just completing a PhD in physics (string theory) at Princeton- his IQ is 26 points less than yours. Not that you would want to do physics- but you would need something difficult, challenging and exciting, wouldn't you?
hey that sounds quite cool... :) yeah i once considered a PhD in solid state physics (semiconductors are cool) ....
now i have no idea what i want to do .. maybe i'll hit pharmacy college or law school ... hmmmm
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 28, 2003, at 7:38:57
In reply to Re: My post? » johnj, posted by MB on May 27, 2003, at 23:39:33
>I think your question is interesting: "Was Calculus invented or discovered?" I sometimes figure that the properties of the Universe are "discovered," while the techniques used to measure those properties, and the means to make predictions based on those measurements are "invented".
You really ought to read a history of Isaac Newton. He invented calculus to solve equations related to the curvilinear motion of bodies under the effects of gravity.
Lar
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 28, 2003, at 20:44:28
In reply to Re: My post?, posted by Larry Hoover on May 28, 2003, at 7:38:57
> You really ought to read a history of Isaac Newton. He invented calculus to solve equations related to the curvilinear motion of bodies under the effects of gravity.
This is an interesting discussion, but since it doesn't have to do with medication, I'd like to redirect it to Psycho-Social-Babble, thanks.
Bob
Posted by kc8ntp on October 15, 2003, at 6:03:55
In reply to CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by MichelleMyBelle on May 11, 2003, at 1:12:46
Michelle:
First I will tell you,an average I.Q. is 100, which you should have known with an I.Q. of 127. I.Q. is mental age\real age * 100, which for those with just a little understanding of basic algabra, that would mean the average was 100. I am a genius with an I.Q. of 170. I will tell you, my intelligence comes from being home-schooled. However, because I was home-schooled, and didn't have very much social contact, I have a great range of mental disorders. I have social anxiety disorder, panic disorder with agoraphobia, and bi-polar disorder. I would not give up my I.Q. to be rid of these disorders, since I can get through them, but could not get over being stupid.
John
Posted by femlite on October 15, 2003, at 10:11:18
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by kc8ntp on October 15, 2003, at 6:03:55
Hi John Just think of the mental illnesses you could of had if youd gone to formal school?
Im jesting (slightly)
Ive kept my kids home to prevent mental illness. I dont care what their IQ is.
(Im NOT saying ALL formally educated people are mentally ill. so please people dont write me that okay.)Do you really think your ill becuse of home school?
Most people think my kids are great. But I work at them having a broad range of social expereinces.
> Michelle:
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> First I will tell you,an average I.Q. is 100, which you should have known with an I.Q. of 127. I.Q. is mental age\real age * 100, which for those with just a little understanding of basic algabra, that would mean the average was 100. I am a genius with an I.Q. of 170. I will tell you, my intelligence comes from being home-schooled. However, because I was home-schooled, and didn't have very much social contact, I have a great range of mental disorders. I have social anxiety disorder, panic disorder with agoraphobia, and bi-polar disorder. I would not give up my I.Q. to be rid of these disorders, since I can get through them, but could not get over being stupid.
>
> John
Posted by cybercafe on October 15, 2003, at 12:14:18
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by kc8ntp on October 15, 2003, at 6:03:55
> Michelle:
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> First I will tell you,an average I.Q. is 100, which you should have known with an I.Q. of 127. I.Q. is mental age\real age * 100, which for those with just a little understanding of basic algabra, that would mean the average was 100. I am a genius with an I.Q. of 170. I will tell you, my intelligence comes from being home-schooled. However, because I was home-schooled, and didn't have very much social contact, I have a great range of mental disorders. I have social anxiety disorder, panic disorder with agoraphobia, and bi-polar disorder. I would not give up my I.Q. to be rid of these disorders, since I can get through them, but could not get over being stupid.but wait.... you're saying you can't get over being stupid... i.e. no experience will raise your IQ from stupid to non-stupid... yet.. you also mentioned that being home-schooled is an experience which raised your IQ to 170
i often wonder how much mental disorders are caused by environment............. hmmmmm
Posted by stjames on October 15, 2003, at 12:53:51
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by kc8ntp on October 15, 2003, at 6:03:55
IQ is not what you know, it measures the ability to learn and what specific learning methods you use. Quoting a single IQ index is useless.
Posted by djmmm on October 15, 2003, at 18:07:34
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by kc8ntp on October 15, 2003, at 6:03:55
> Michelle:
>
> First I will tell you,an average I.Q. is 100, which you should have known with an I.Q. of 127. I.Q. is mental age\real age * 100, which for those with just a little understanding of basic algabra, that would mean the average was 100. I am a genius with an I.Q. of 170. I will tell you, my intelligence comes from being home-schooled. However, because I was home-schooled, and didn't have very much social contact, I have a great range of mental disorders. I have social anxiety disorder, panic disorder with agoraphobia, and bi-polar disorder. I would not give up my I.Q. to be rid of these disorders, since I can get through them, but could not get over being stupid.
>
> John170? according to what scale/tests?
Wechsler Scales? Ravens Standard Matrices ?A high IQ score, like a high SAT score, is subjective. Intelligence cannot be accurately measured...for example, since you were homeschooled, how would you "score" the intelligence acquired from personal interaction with your peers? (street smarts-- for lack of better words)
There is no correlation between high/low IQ and "conventional" mental illness (depression, anxiety, etc.) If you are referring to mental illness involving violence (sociopaths, etc.) I would say that there is evidence that "they" tend to have higher IQ's than the rest of the population...based on what is provided to us via the media... and naturally, the subjective tests used for measurement.
Posted by cybercafe on October 16, 2003, at 1:20:27
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by djmmm on October 15, 2003, at 18:07:34
> > Michelle:
> >
> > First I will tell you,an average I.Q. is 100, which you should have known with an I.Q. of 127. I.Q. is mental age\real age * 100, which for those with just a little understanding of basic algabra, that would mean the average was 100. I am a genius with an I.Q. of 170. I will tell you, my intelligence comes from being home-schooled. However, because I was home-schooled, and didn't have very much social contact, I have a great range of mental disorders. I have social anxiety disorder, panic disorder with agoraphobia, and bi-polar disorder. I would not give up my I.Q. to be rid of these disorders, since I can get through them, but could not get over being stupid.
> >
> > John
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> 170? according to what scale/tests?
> Wechsler Scales? Ravens Standard Matrices ?
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> A high IQ score, like a high SAT score, is subjective. Intelligence cannot be accurately measured...for example, since you were homeschooled, how would you "score" the intelligence acquired from personal interaction with your peers? (street smarts-- for lack of better words)
>
> There is no correlation between high/low IQ and "conventional" mental illness (depression, anxiety, etc.) If you are referring to mental illness involving violence (sociopaths, etc.) I would say that there is evidence that "they" tend to have higher IQ's than the rest of the population...based on what is provided to us via the media... and naturally, the subjective tests used for measurement.
i've heard that mental illnesses that are related to hyper activity in the pre frontal cortex (SZ, bipolar, eating disorders) are associated with higher levels of IQ (though only a few points)....my IQ is up around 150, 160 but i feel like a retard a lot... i think i have a learning disorder, though maybe it's just ADD
Posted by Arrianna on October 17, 2003, at 23:44:26
In reply to CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by MichelleMyBelle on May 11, 2003, at 1:12:46
Hmmm....this is very interesting. Actually never heard of this concept (fact??) before. According to past IQ tests, etc., I believe my IQ to be in the range of average. But, it's nice to think that because of mental illness, I'm a genuis. Ha! Ha!
In some ways I guess I am a genious, in others, not so much, so I guess that'd just make me average.
What about emotional intelligence?? In this area, I feel I'm quite knowledgeable and aware. Even though it'd be nice to be a super genious, I feel that having a high emotional intelligence has served me better in life. Just my opionion.
What about everyone else? Emotional IQ??
Arrianna
Posted by Francesco on October 18, 2003, at 12:34:24
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS? » MichelleMyBelle, posted by Arrianna on October 17, 2003, at 23:44:26
I think there is a correlation. if you're strange when you're a child you tend to see the world in a different manner, to feel detached from others and therefore to start *thinking* (in the attempt to solve your problems). on the other side if you feel connected with the rest of the world (mom and dad and so on) you have no need to wonder yourself about anything.
also the opposite seems true. if you're very clever people will find you strange (most people have an average IQ, by definition) and that could bring mental problems.
I wouldn't talk anyway about IQ (127 and 170 and so on). That is in my opinion just a number to indicate how good you are in solving IQ tests. the score depends on a bunch of factors: mood, motivation, self-confidence, to say any.
When I was at high school I was very emotional and if I had been obliged to make a test the result would have been surely poor because I had trouble in concentrating on a task. When I started university and clomipramine my score was more than 165. So am I clever or am I dumb ?
To complicate the picture ... I felt dumb when I was on clomipramine while sharp when I was off !
Posted by girlygirl on October 18, 2003, at 15:25:59
In reply to Re: CORRELATION BETWEEN IQ AND MENTAL ILLNESS?, posted by cybercafe on May 13, 2003, at 16:24:49
> > i do think iq tests are a load of my hoop,testing people on anything and everything to ascertain what label to slap on them,but yeah there does seem to be some kind of thing going on there,bewtween say high iqs and mental illness.at school the kids who had add seemed to have higher iqs,i know mine came out something like 177,which was great cos instead of them having justification in that i was thick,and thats the reason i coukdnt sit still for their classes,it was the other way round.im sure thats the case with a lotof kids.
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> do any of you guys have a suggestion on the type of career that would suite someone who is very intelligent but has big problems with concentration?
>perfect career for high intelligence/short attention span is journalism! Take my word for it! I've been a news reporter for the past year (before that I was a student or in clerical jobs) and it's really helped pull me out of a lingering depression. It'd be impossible to do if you were in an acute depression but if you're coming out of one it's an amazing way to learn social skills *really* quickly (which I desperately needed to do and didn't find antidepressants or therapy helped with). Because you're a) playing a role and b) in a position of power to some extent, it's a lot less frightening than when it's just *you*. And cos there's all those deadlines there's no room for procrastination. Plus, all journalists are mad one way or another so you can get away with it. I'd recommend it to anyone! GG
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