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Posted by cosis on May 16, 2003, at 20:57:29
Doc agreed and let me switch from Nardil to Parnate because of the side/effects...
Unfortunately I have to wait 2 weeks :(
My social anxiety already returned........
Something tells me I will be spending a lot of time inside the next few weeks!
Nick
Posted by TapiocaMonk on May 16, 2003, at 23:10:14
In reply to Starting Parnate June 1st, posted by cosis on May 16, 2003, at 20:57:29
> My social anxiety already returned........
what exactly is social anxiety?
Posted by TapiocaMonk on May 16, 2003, at 23:12:41
In reply to Re: Starting Parnate June 1st, posted by TapiocaMonk on May 16, 2003, at 23:10:14
.... as in, what are your symptoms, how does it manifest for you?
I've never really considered the idea that I could have social anxiety, but maybe I do have something.
Posted by cosis on May 16, 2003, at 23:28:41
In reply to Re: Starting Parnate June 1st, posted by TapiocaMonk on May 16, 2003, at 23:12:41
> .... as in, what are your symptoms, how does it manifest for you?
>
> I've never really considered the idea that I could have social anxiety, but maybe I do have something.It is hard to explain, but if you read the examples on this link below you might find yourself relating to them. I didn't know what I had until a few years ago.
http://socialanxietyinstitute.org/socialanxiety.html
Posted by TapiocaMonk on May 17, 2003, at 8:51:25
In reply to Re: Starting Parnate June 1st, posted by cosis on May 16, 2003, at 23:28:41
Wow, great website! Thank you, Cosis. These social anxiety symptoms describe me 100%:
"feelings of self-consciousness, judgment, evaluation, and inferiority."
"social anxiety is the fear and anxiety of being judged and evaluated negatively by other people, leading to feelings of inadequacy, embarrassment, humiliation, and depression."
...but they seem to think that therapy is the only solution. Does Parnate work at all?
Posted by cosis on May 17, 2003, at 9:34:44
In reply to Re: Starting Parnate June 1st, posted by TapiocaMonk on May 17, 2003, at 8:51:25
> Wow, great website! Thank you, Cosis. These social anxiety symptoms describe me 100%:
>
> "feelings of self-consciousness, judgment, evaluation, and inferiority."
>
> "social anxiety is the fear and anxiety of being judged and evaluated negatively by other people, leading to feelings of inadequacy, embarrassment, humiliation, and depression."
>
> ...but they seem to think that therapy is the only solution. Does Parnate work at all?
>
>Well they believe therapy is the best solution because they sell a tape series on the site.. :)
If you read along they suggest a medication such as Parnate or Nardil in conjunction with behavioural therapy......
I bought the tape series a few years ago, it helped out but I kind of slacked off toward the end. And I did not have access to a therapy group like the tapes suggested
nick
Posted by TR on May 17, 2003, at 15:48:10
In reply to Re: Starting Parnate June 1st, posted by cosis on May 17, 2003, at 9:34:44
Parnate always helps my social anxiety, but so do many ADs (for some people anyway; you have to match the right med to the right person). Benzos, such as Klonipin, are probably the most effective thing for social anxiety. They can be mildly addictive, though (again, for some people), so I try to stay away from them. Many people swear by them, however. But Parnate does work wonders for my social anxiety.
> > Wow, great website! Thank you, Cosis. These social anxiety symptoms describe me 100%:
> >
> > "feelings of self-consciousness, judgment, evaluation, and inferiority."
> >
> > "social anxiety is the fear and anxiety of being judged and evaluated negatively by other people, leading to feelings of inadequacy, embarrassment, humiliation, and depression."
> >
> > ...but they seem to think that therapy is the only solution. Does Parnate work at all?
> >
> >
>
> Well they believe therapy is the best solution because they sell a tape series on the site.. :)
>
> If you read along they suggest a medication such as Parnate or Nardil in conjunction with behavioural therapy......
>
> I bought the tape series a few years ago, it helped out but I kind of slacked off toward the end. And I did not have access to a therapy group like the tapes suggested
>
> nick
Posted by Paulie on May 17, 2003, at 21:26:18
In reply to Starting Parnate June 1st, posted by cosis on May 16, 2003, at 20:57:29
From another link on SAD-
http://anxietynetwork.com/spmed.html
We have found that, in general, Parnate, as opposed to Nardil, is more effective with (generalized) social anxiety disorder, provided there are no other anxiety or mental health care complications. (Nardil has been shown by research to be effective, also, although we have yet to see anyone tolerate this medication. If an MAOI is considered, we recommend Parnate over Nardil, due to Parnate's added noradrenergic and dopaminergic effects). People with avoidant personality disorder are usually greatly helped by this medication. Although these medications require slight food restrictions, the current restriction list (as of 1998) is quite small. No responsible adult who needs to be on an MAOI, and is receiving help from the medication, has ever complained about the food restrictions.Our more severely socially-anxious individuals (currently being termed "avoidant personality disorder") do need to use these medications, under proper psychiatric care. Again, Parnate works faster, has less side effects, is uplifting and motivating for people with social anxiety and is preferred over Nardil. Talk with your social anxiety therapist about this first, and get a recommendation to a psychiatrist who understands social anxiety and this particular medication in general. You will not typically be able to obtain one of the MAOIs from your general practitioner, as they are usually unaware of the positive effects these medications can play in helping people with social anxiety.
Paul
Posted by cosis on May 17, 2003, at 23:44:09
In reply to Re: Parnate and SAD, posted by Paulie on May 17, 2003, at 21:27:47
> From another link on SAD-
> http://anxietynetwork.com/spmed.html
> We have found that, in general, Parnate, as opposed to Nardil, is more effective with (generalized) social anxiety disorder, provided there are no other anxiety or mental health care complications. (Nardil has been shown by research to be effective, also, although we have yet to see anyone tolerate this medication. If an MAOI is considered, we recommend Parnate over Nardil, due to Parnate's added noradrenergic and dopaminergic effects). People with avoidant personality disorder are usually greatly helped by this medication. Although these medications require slight food restrictions, the current restriction list (as of 1998) is quite small. No responsible adult who needs to be on an MAOI, and is receiving help from the medication, has ever complained about the food restrictions.
>
> Our more severely socially-anxious individuals (currently being termed "avoidant personality disorder") do need to use these medications, under proper psychiatric care. Again, Parnate works faster, has less side effects, is uplifting and motivating for people with social anxiety and is preferred over Nardil. Talk with your social anxiety therapist about this first, and get a recommendation to a psychiatrist who understands social anxiety and this particular medication in general. You will not typically be able to obtain one of the MAOIs from your general practitioner, as they are usually unaware of the positive effects these medications can play in helping people with social anxiety.
>
> Paul
Thanks for the info.....I will have to see which one works best.. Nardil was great, but the weight gain made me feel unhealthy, slow, and affected my self-image. Made me think of what people were thinking who hadn't seen my in awhile... "Man he gained weight"
My pants got tighter and tighter until I coudln't even get them over my waist anymore ....
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