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Posted by Angel Girl on July 18, 2002, at 19:28:55
In reply to Re: Mood stabilizers, posted by McPac on July 18, 2002, at 17:32:18
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>AngelGirl, please e-mail me @ Imupacrk1029@msn.com Lithium DOES sound like it would be a great choice for you. I will explain more to you after you e-mail me!
McPac >>>>> you have mail. Thanks.Angel Girl
Posted by Misunderstood on July 18, 2002, at 19:40:00
In reply to Re: Mood stabilizers, posted by cybercafe on July 18, 2002, at 14:54:01
Hey Cybercafe, You say you have had trouble with p-docs in London and Canada eh? I think it must be a universal thing b/c I'm down in Texas and it sounds like today's psychiatrists do too much med prescribing and too little counseling like they used to do(as a fan of the sitcom "Growing Pains", I know that psychiatrists used to counsel b/c Dr. Seaver was one). I have severe mood swings also, and I currently use Gabapentin/Neurontin to control anxiety, mood shifts, loss of control etc. How is the med working for you? How much are you taking? I just started and am at 300 mg. How much is supposed to be effective?
And to reply to the original post...we all live in seemingly "perfect blue buildings" but we all have to face our demons and take control of our own lives, whether it be by medication, meditation or institutionalization. You will get through this in one way or another, and as modern science would have it, there are some tried and true medications that can help you.
Posted by Ritch on July 18, 2002, at 22:31:52
In reply to Mood stabilizers, posted by Angel Girl on July 18, 2002, at 12:13:50
> I'm currently taking 267.5mg of Effexor XR. I've recently had my diagnosis changed from severe depression to Bi-Polar II, Complex PTSD and as yet undetermined personality disorder (most likely BPD). I've been told I desperately need to be put on a mood stabilizer. A couple of days ago I got some news that really upset and angered me. Just prior to that, I was in a really good mood (not manic), which is a rarity for me. I'm usually just really depressed. But this news really threw me for a loop. Now my moods are changing several times a day and none of them are good. I'm very hurt, I'm crying and I'm very angry. I'm taking it out on everybody.
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> Can somebody PLEASE explain to me in layman's terms, so that I can understand, how I will feel on a mood stabilizer? What is it going to do for me?
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> I'm sooooo sick of all this crap. Lately all I want to do is sit in a corner and cry.
>
> Angel
Angel,Depakote has worked the best for me for temper spells. Lithium worked OK too. Topamax supposedly has helped people with PTSD. Maybe a combo of Depakote+Topamax? If you are BPII antidepressants can cause rage-they do for me if I take more than a tiny dose. You are on a dose of Effexor that would probably put me on Pluto with thermonuclear weapons.
Mitch
Posted by cybercafe on July 19, 2002, at 2:49:59
In reply to Re: Mood stabilizers » cybercafe, posted by Misunderstood on July 18, 2002, at 19:40:00
> Hey Cybercafe, You say you have had trouble with p-docs in London and Canada eh? I think it must be a universal thing b/c I'm down in Texas and it sounds like today's psychiatrists do too much med prescribing and too little counseling like they used to do(as a fan of the
Hey Misunderstood... yeah i have been on drugs I didn't need, but I wouldn't say my doctor didn't have at least some valid reason for doing so.... I do not blame docs for not knowing what to do... even if it is simple... however when confronted I think a doc should either educate himself or let you know that your treatment is beyond his knowledge, and you might be able to make a recovery by seeing another doctor....
.. now when i called the local mental health institute they asked me if my doc was old because they thought he was SENILE he did such a poor job of returning phone calls (read: none)...
you see i have done a lot of checking and i know i could get my doctor reprimanded for his behaviour, but i really don't hate the fellow, and i would hate to give us mentally interesting patients a bad name or deny his patients treatment
the worst thing is.... there is a "mental health taskforce" here ... and instead of asking the public questions like "do suicidal patients go to the emergency ward, get turned away, and then committ suicide" they ask stupid questions like "what does the term recovery centered service mean to you?" ... now their best idea is de-stigmatizing mental illness...
while that is something i would certainly appreciate, compared to the more serious issues i ask:
WHO CARES about the stigma when we have people DIEING NEEDLESSLY ...the worst thing is when you are sick and all you need is someone to perscribe you a med but family docs say it's beyond them, and psychiatrists are too busy to see anyone
>severe mood swings also, and I currently use Gabapentin/Neurontin to control anxiety, mood shifts, loss of control etc. How is the med working for you? How much are you taking? I just started and am at 300 mg. How much is supposed to be effective?
gabapentin works for me... i starting becoming really hypomanic today so i took 800 mg gabapentin and started to feel better..
it's also awesome, in my case, for anxiety ....
right now i am depressed so i'm not taking much... like 800 mg a day ?? maybe 1200 mg if i am somewhat manic?
... but before i used to take 2700 mg a day (900 x 3) for anxiety ...
are you doing okay these days misunderstood?
i hope gabapentin works for you... there are many good drugs out now with relatively benign side effects ...
Posted by cybercafe on July 19, 2002, at 3:05:25
In reply to Re: Mood stabilizers - cybercafe, posted by Angel Girl on July 18, 2002, at 19:17:00
> Thanks for all your info. I've never heard of the mood stabilizer you're taking.
... it's good stuff ...
> Do you live in Toronto??? That's where I am. I can't find a pdoc. I was just hoping maybe there might be some advice you could give me to get around the 3 to 4 month waiting list to find somebody. I've yet to find anybody who will take
yeah that waiting list is ridiculous... if i had no other choice, i would just have myself voluntarily committed i think... i once told a doc "i am not suicidal now, but if i go without medication for 4 months i probably will be!" ...
... strangely.. i did a search for "mental health task force" + toronto and found a whole bunch of support groups i never heard of ... and things like the ontario college of physicians and surgeons, the pyschiatric college, U of T etc etc... it can't hurt to give them a call and find a decent doc right?? call around... if anyone says "i don't know" ASK THEM "okay.. can you think of anyone who can or anywhere else i can look?" ....
fortunately now the yellow pages list doctors by profession.. so you can also call them effortlessly...>me on because my case is too 'delicate' so I'm left without a pdoc and I'm not being monitored on the drugs I am on and can't get the ones I desperately need. I'm extremely discouraged and frustrated.
... i don't know what delicate means.. but i'd assume that if people think you are in trouble they would be more likely to help you no??
... but really... things are a lot better than they seem if you know where to look.... for example... i always thought that with all of the incompetent (as defined by the ontario college of physicians and surgeons) docs working out of hospitals being really busy the experts would be literally unreachable... but it's not so! .... i have gotten guidance from one of the lecturers at u of t and am now seeing one of the top docs in toronto several times a month .... and he doesn't think i'm a serious case!
i sincerely believe that if you put in a bit of time you could really help yourself out and feel better so much faster...
don't give up hope!.... i actually got started on this AFTER i found an awesome doc, because i happened upon the university website and they droned on and on about how wonderful and professional and perfect their services are... and got very good results ...
.. really i would love to call them up now and see how your case fits in with their wonderful theories and ideals...
... i'm also trying to get help for my dad, ... but i face the added problem that he doesn't see rapid cycling and explosive anger and rage as a disorder.... your family should appreciate the fact that you recognize you have a problem and are getting help! .. isn't that all they can ask of you?good luck and keep us posted :)
(maybe you could even visit the emergency ward at the clarke spadina + college.. they probably wouldn't hold you... but might they not see you, perhaps start you on some meds?? )
Posted by Greg on July 19, 2002, at 8:33:07
In reply to Mood stabilizers, posted by Angel Girl on July 18, 2002, at 12:13:50
Angel Girl,
My mood stabilizer (Topamax) helps me to not over-think things. I'm also BPII. When I'm in a real bad mood I look for the worst in everything, I read between the lines, assume everyone has a hidden agenda. I also can be very reactionary, the smallest, insignificant event can throw me for a loop. This leads me to a lot of anger and being very miserable. I think a good MS mellows these types of thoughts and helps keep you more in balance, at least it does for me.
I've tried 2 mood stabilizers, Neurontin and Topamax. The Neurontin was basically useless for me, it did nothing to help my moods and made me very fatigued. The Topamax has been great. It did have the side-effect of some cognitive dulling at each dose increase, but now that I'm at my target dose (200mgs), everything is fine.
I hope this is of some help. Good luck.
Greg
Posted by sjb on July 19, 2002, at 10:15:30
In reply to Re: Mood stabilizers » Angel Girl, posted by Greg on July 19, 2002, at 8:33:07
Greg,
I'm on 200mg of Tomomax now too, along with Luvox. Do you notice any other side effects? Do you work out at all and does it adversly affect you with this? I'm definately dumber but that's ok as it's helped in other areas. Just curious as I've just recently upped to 200 mg and this is the first time I've combined w/Luvox. Thanks.
Posted by Greg on July 19, 2002, at 14:18:35
In reply to Re: Mood stabilizers/Topomax ? for Greg, posted by sjb on July 19, 2002, at 10:15:30
> Greg,
>
> I'm on 200mg of Tomomax now too, along with Luvox. Do you notice any other side effects? Do you work out at all and does it adversly affect you with this? I'm definately dumber but that's ok as it's helped in other areas. Just curious as I've just recently upped to 200 mg and this is the first time I've combined w/Luvox. Thanks.sjb,
No, no other side effects. It does help me sleep better too which is good because I go thru bouts of insomnia. The dulling effects do go away in time for most people, you just have to be patient with it. It's not real fun if you have a job where you have to be on top of your game mentally :) I take it with Zypreza and Klonopin, it works really well for me.
Posted by Angel Girl on July 19, 2002, at 16:49:57
In reply to Re: Mood stabilizers - cybercafe, posted by cybercafe on July 19, 2002, at 3:05:25
cybercafe
So who is this awesome pdoc you are going to? What part of Toronto is he/she in? How do you find out who are the best doctors?
I've tried that ER. Don't even ask what happened when I went there. Total waste of time. Sometimes I think you have to die before people around here wake up and take notice.
Angel Girl
Posted by Angel Girl on July 19, 2002, at 16:56:25
In reply to Re: Mood stabilizers » Angel Girl, posted by Greg on July 19, 2002, at 8:33:07
> Angel Girl,
>
> My mood stabilizer (Topamax) helps me to not over-think things. I'm also BPII. When I'm in a real bad mood I look for the worst in everything, I read between the lines, assume everyone has a hidden agenda. I also can be very reactionary, the smallest, insignificant event can throw me for a loop. This leads me to a lot of anger and being very miserable. I think a good MS mellows these types of thoughts and helps keep you more in balance, at least it does for me.
>
> I've tried 2 mood stabilizers, Neurontin and Topamax. The Neurontin was basically useless for me, it did nothing to help my moods and made me very fatigued. The Topamax has been great. It did have the side-effect of some cognitive dulling at each dose increase, but now that I'm at my target dose (200mgs), everything is fine.
>
> I hope this is of some help. Good luck.
>
> GregWOW Greg
That's EXACTLY what I'm like. I read between the lines all the time and over analyze everything to death. I can put a totally different spin on a comment that was never there to begin with. I've never been able to stop doing that. I think everybody has a alterior motive and I always react accordingly. It drives me and everybody around me CRAZY. Not that I wish this hell on anybody else but it's good to find out that I'm not the only one who does that.
I think you have just sold me even more on Topomax.
Thanks
Angel Girl
Posted by Misunderstood on July 19, 2002, at 17:08:23
In reply to Re: Mood stabilizers, posted by cybercafe on July 19, 2002, at 2:49:59
> > Hey Cybercafe, You say you have had trouble with p-docs in London and Canada eh? I think it must be a universal thing b/c I'm down in Texas and it sounds like today's psychiatrists do too much med prescribing and too little counseling like they used to do(as a fan of the
>
> Hey Misunderstood... yeah i have been on drugs I didn't need, but I wouldn't say my doctor didn't have at least some valid reason for doing so.... I do not blame docs for not knowing what to do... even if it is simple... however when confronted I think a doc should either educate himself or let you know that your treatment is beyond his knowledge, and you might be able to make a recovery by seeing another doctor....
>
> .. now when i called the local mental health institute they asked me if my doc was old because they thought he was SENILE he did such a poor job of returning phone calls (read: none)...
>
> you see i have done a lot of checking and i know i could get my doctor reprimanded for his behaviour, but i really don't hate the fellow, and i would hate to give us mentally interesting patients a bad name or deny his patients treatment
>
> the worst thing is.... there is a "mental health taskforce" here ... and instead of asking the public questions like "do suicidal patients go to the emergency ward, get turned away, and then committ suicide" they ask stupid questions like "what does the term recovery centered service mean to you?" ... now their best idea is de-stigmatizing mental illness...
> while that is something i would certainly appreciate, compared to the more serious issues i ask:
> WHO CARES about the stigma when we have people DIEING NEEDLESSLY ...
>
> the worst thing is when you are sick and all you need is someone to perscribe you a med but family docs say it's beyond them, and psychiatrists are too busy to see anyone
>
> >severe mood swings also, and I currently use Gabapentin/Neurontin to control anxiety, mood shifts, loss of control etc. How is the med working for you? How much are you taking? I just started and am at 300 mg. How much is supposed to be effective?
>
> gabapentin works for me... i starting becoming really hypomanic today so i took 800 mg gabapentin and started to feel better..
>
> it's also awesome, in my case, for anxiety ....
>
> right now i am depressed so i'm not taking much... like 800 mg a day ?? maybe 1200 mg if i am somewhat manic?
>
> ... but before i used to take 2700 mg a day (900 x 3) for anxiety ...
>
> are you doing okay these days misunderstood?
>
> i hope gabapentin works for you... there are many good drugs out now with relatively benign side effects ...
So can Neurontin be taken only as needed, or in variable doses on bad days as opposed to good ones? I have a mild anxiety problem, but have had epilepsy/partial seizures for a long time. It would be nice to have a med like Neurontin ease my anxiety and control my seizures at the same time(kind of a kill two birds with one stone approach). What are your thoughts on using Neurontin as an effective antianxylotic and antiseizure medicine? I cannot say which dose is best for me yet, seeing that I just started taking Neurontin, but any feedback from you would be very helpful.Be good
Posted by cybercafe on July 20, 2002, at 7:52:47
In reply to Re: Mood stabilizers - cybercafe, posted by Angel Girl on July 19, 2002, at 16:49:57
> So who is this awesome pdoc you are going to?... i would rather not say as i am totally paranoid about doing anything that would jeopordize our relationship... though i suppose i could ask him if he is looking for new patients if you want...
>What part of Toronto is he/she in? How do you
i am in pickering but i see a doc out in mississauga or oakville or something (not exactly sure) ...
>find out who are the best doctors?
well you can go on the centre for addiction and mental health and see who all of the Depression and Bipolar specialists are ...
.... also sunnybrook is supposed to have some really good doctors... i think i would call and ask who specializes in what or i would do a search on the journal of clinical psychiatry webpage http://www.psychiatrist.com/ click on "search entire site"... you might have to register first -- don't worry, it's free
> I've tried that ER. Don't even ask what happened when I went there. Total waste of time. Sometimes I think you have to die before people around here wake up and take notice.
have you considered filing a complaint?
... i knew some people who went to sunnybrook multiple times with no results, and i went with one of them to CAMH and he was admitted within 15 minutes or so ...
which is really too bad because i was hoping they would act incompetently so i could sue them, file a complaint, and other fun things :)
Posted by cybercafe on July 20, 2002, at 7:55:03
In reply to Re: Mood stabilizers - cybercafe, posted by Angel Girl on July 19, 2002, at 16:49:57
sorry i guess i wasn't clear last post
i think it is a major fluke if you went to CAMH and told them you were suicidal and they didn't let you in and i am pretty confident you would have better luck the next time and would encourage you to give it a try
Posted by cybercafe on July 20, 2002, at 8:05:49
In reply to Re: Mood stabilizers » cybercafe, posted by Misunderstood on July 19, 2002, at 17:08:23
> So can Neurontin be taken only as needed, or in variable doses on bad days as opposed to good ones? I have a mild anxiety problem, but have
... dunno... i have taken it as needed, but it is certainly not something i feel comfortable recommending... in fact one of the reasons i originally decided to take neurontin rather than benzos is that i was tired of waiting for the anxiety to come before doing something about it....... i don't want it to come at all!
>had epilepsy/partial seizures for a long time. It would be nice to have a med like Neurontin ease my anxiety and control my seizures at the same time(kind of a kill two birds with one stone approach). What are your thoughts on using Neurontin as an effective antianxylotic and antiseizure medicine? I cannot say which dose is best for me yet, seeing that I just started taking Neurontin, but any feedback from you would be very helpful.
well i don't really know anything about epilepsy ... but i think if your anxiety is mild you would probably find yourself doing quite well on it... (i don't consider my anxiety mild but still think gabapentin worked great for me)...
... i also take gabapentin for agitation ....
so what dose are you up to so far and do you feel any effects or side effects?
Posted by Misunderstood on July 21, 2002, at 1:40:49
In reply to Re: Mood stabilizers, posted by cybercafe on July 20, 2002, at 8:05:49
> > So can Neurontin be taken only as needed, or in variable doses on bad days as opposed to good ones? I have a mild anxiety problem, but have
>
> ... dunno... i have taken it as needed, but it is certainly not something i feel comfortable recommending... in fact one of the reasons i originally decided to take neurontin rather than benzos is that i was tired of waiting for the anxiety to come before doing something about it....... i don't want it to come at all!
>
> >had epilepsy/partial seizures for a long time. It would be nice to have a med like Neurontin ease my anxiety and control my seizures at the same time(kind of a kill two birds with one stone approach). What are your thoughts on using Neurontin as an effective antianxylotic and antiseizure medicine? I cannot say which dose is best for me yet, seeing that I just started taking Neurontin, but any feedback from you would be very helpful.
>
> well i don't really know anything about epilepsy ... but i think if your anxiety is mild you would probably find yourself doing quite well on it... (i don't consider my anxiety mild but still think gabapentin worked great for me)...
>
> ... i also take gabapentin for agitation ....
>
> so what dose are you up to so far and do you feel any effects or side effects?
Have not felt any side effects yet, but did have a mild seizure the other night and tonight. My guess is the dosage is not right yet. Took Lamictal before and it worked great, except for the horrible rash I got. Do you know anything about Lamictal? If the rash is a temporary thing and goes away as the dosage is increased, I would prefer the longer half life and stronger effects of Lamictal, but on the other hand, Neurontin does control anxiety. I am taking 400 mgs of Neurontin currently, should I increase to prevent future seizures? What are your thoughts re: Lamictal vs Neurontin putting the rash thing aside?
Posted by cybercafe on July 21, 2002, at 2:26:51
In reply to Re: Mood stabilizers » cybercafe, posted by Misunderstood on July 21, 2002, at 1:40:49
> Have not felt any side effects yet, but did have a mild seizure the other night and tonight.
... are you okay? are you actually conscious when you have a seizer? ... i hope it wasn't too unpleasant
>My guess is the dosage is not right yet. Took Lamictal before and it worked great, except for the horrible rash I got. Do you know anything about Lamictal? If the rash is a temporary thing
if you have a rash you must DISCONTINUE LAMOTRIGINE immediately -- i would suggest getting in touch with your doc immediately, if that is not possible, i would suggest going to the emergency room for discontinuation instruction
.... but i am not certain, so you may have a better idea than me.... i am not even sure - are you are still taking it?it is suggested that the rash may be caused by ramping up the dose too fast..... how quickly did you increase it?
>and goes away as the dosage is increased, I would prefer the longer half life and stronger effects of Lamictal, but on the other hand, Neurontin does control anxiety. I am taking 400 mgs of Neurontin currently, should I increase to prevent future seizures? What are your thoughts re: Lamictal vs Neurontin putting the rash thing aside?
well i was taken off lamictal prematurely before (changed docs) ...
but because it is supposed to have an antidepressant effect and a mood stabilizing effect and only needs to be taken once a day and probably has less sedation (the sedation with gabapentin i didn't find to be bad at all, but still... we're all perfectionists) i would want to try lamictal first.... and see what it does for me.. and if the mood stabilizing or anti depressant effects get rid of the anxiety.... and then if they don't, add gabapentin to the combo .... of course if lamotrigine has no effect on depression i would stop taking it...in your case... i guess it all comes down to whether or not lamictal helps you with anxiety ...
should you increase gabapentin? probably... but if it were me i would want to check with my doc on how high i could increase on my own... especially if you have any kidney or other medical problems ... i'm sure you can read up on it online .. do you need a checkup after a seizure?? ...
... i mean i would definately not consider increasing a med on my own -- even as a last resort -- until i had spent at least 3 hours online reading up all i could
Posted by McPac on July 21, 2002, at 15:07:00
In reply to Re: Mood stabilizers, posted by cybercafe on July 21, 2002, at 2:26:51
Lithium, even in very small doses, works very well for me. Some side effects though; not severe, but still I am thinking of trying one of the newer medications.
Lamictal is supposed to have a strong anti-dep. effect (which is good for me) BUT....will it work well for the anxiety, agitation and rage???
Neurontin is supposed to work very well for anxiety, agitation, and rage...but maybe not much anti-dep. effect. Also, you would have to take the Neurontin 3 or 4 times a day..THAT SUCKS! I don't want to take more than 1 mood stabilizer. Anybody have any bright ideas, lol?
Posted by Misunderstood on July 21, 2002, at 21:13:25
In reply to Re: Mood stabilizers, posted by cybercafe on July 21, 2002, at 2:26:51
> > Have not felt any side effects yet, but did have a mild seizure the other night and tonight.
>
> ... are you okay? are you actually conscious when you have a seizer? ... i hope it wasn't too unpleasant
>
> >My guess is the dosage is not right yet. Took Lamictal before and it worked great, except for the horrible rash I got. Do you know anything about Lamictal? If the rash is a temporary thing
>
> if you have a rash you must DISCONTINUE LAMOTRIGINE immediately -- i would suggest getting in touch with your doc immediately, if that is not possible, i would suggest going to the emergency room for discontinuation instruction
> .... but i am not certain, so you may have a better idea than me.... i am not even sure - are you are still taking it?
>
> it is suggested that the rash may be caused by ramping up the dose too fast..... how quickly did you increase it?
>
> >and goes away as the dosage is increased, I would prefer the longer half life and stronger effects of Lamictal, but on the other hand, Neurontin does control anxiety. I am taking 400 mgs of Neurontin currently, should I increase to prevent future seizures? What are your thoughts re: Lamictal vs Neurontin putting the rash thing aside?
>
> well i was taken off lamictal prematurely before (changed docs) ...
> but because it is supposed to have an antidepressant effect and a mood stabilizing effect and only needs to be taken once a day and probably has less sedation (the sedation with gabapentin i didn't find to be bad at all, but still... we're all perfectionists) i would want to try lamictal first.... and see what it does for me.. and if the mood stabilizing or anti depressant effects get rid of the anxiety.... and then if they don't, add gabapentin to the combo .... of course if lamotrigine has no effect on depression i would stop taking it...
>
> in your case... i guess it all comes down to whether or not lamictal helps you with anxiety ...
>
> should you increase gabapentin? probably... but if it were me i would want to check with my doc on how high i could increase on my own... especially if you have any kidney or other medical problems ... i'm sure you can read up on it online .. do you need a checkup after a seizure?? ...
>
> ... i mean i would definately not consider increasing a med on my own -- even as a last resort -- until i had spent at least 3 hours online reading up all i couldActually, the seizures are very minor and only last a couple of seconds. Doc says they are called petit mal(don't know if I spelled it correctly) seizures that are indicative of a mild case of epilepsy that I have. My uncle has epilepsy, and from what I understand it is hereditary. As a kid, I suffered blunt head trauma during a sledding accident that caused an onset of epilepsy which my parents thought was nervous tics ie Tourette's syndrome, but they didn't believe in seeking medical help for my condition(don't ask me why, thats the way they are). It took till the age of 26 for a doctor to explain to me what these minor seizures actually are. I wonder if an increase in my Lamictal dose would result in fewer side effects. I also noticed this morning that Neurontin has no effect whatsoever on severe mood swings. Any advice Cybercafe? You seem to know a lot about these things.
Posted by Greg on July 23, 2002, at 8:16:55
In reply to Re: Mood stabilizers -- Greg, posted by Angel Girl on July 19, 2002, at 16:56:25
> > Angel Girl,
> >
> > My mood stabilizer (Topamax) helps me to not over-think things. I'm also BPII. When I'm in a real bad mood I look for the worst in everything, I read between the lines, assume everyone has a hidden agenda. I also can be very reactionary, the smallest, insignificant event can throw me for a loop. This leads me to a lot of anger and being very miserable. I think a good MS mellows these types of thoughts and helps keep you more in balance, at least it does for me.
> >
> > I've tried 2 mood stabilizers, Neurontin and Topamax. The Neurontin was basically useless for me, it did nothing to help my moods and made me very fatigued. The Topamax has been great. It did have the side-effect of some cognitive dulling at each dose increase, but now that I'm at my target dose (200mgs), everything is fine.
> >
> > I hope this is of some help. Good luck.
> >
> > Greg
>
>
>
> WOW Greg
>
> That's EXACTLY what I'm like. I read between the lines all the time and over analyze everything to death. I can put a totally different spin on a comment that was never there to begin with. I've never been able to stop doing that. I think everybody has a alterior motive and I always react accordingly. It drives me and everybody around me CRAZY. Not that I wish this hell on anybody else but it's good to find out that I'm not the only one who does that.
>
> I think you have just sold me even more on Topomax.
>
> Thanks
>
> Angel GirlAngel Girl,
Sorry to take so long in responding. I think there's probably a lot of us out there. If they ever get us all in the same room at the same time they could probably harness enough energy to power several large cities... :)
If you do decide to try the Top please let me know what you think of it. My advice is to really try to stick out the cognitive side effects until you reach your max dose. Many people give up on it way too soon and don't give a chance to work properly. I know I almost did and that would have been a big mistake. I wish you much good luck with it and I'll keep you in my thoughts.
Greg
Posted by Greg on July 23, 2002, at 9:34:57
In reply to Re: Mood stabilizers -- Greg, posted by Greg on July 23, 2002, at 8:16:55
Posted by Angel Girl on July 24, 2002, at 2:04:28
In reply to Re: Mood stabilizers -- Greg, posted by Greg on July 23, 2002, at 8:16:55
Greg
You mentioned that most people give up on Topomax far too soon before it reaches it's maximum benefit. In your opinion, is that due to them feeling that it's not working or due to side effects? Also, which side effects do you think are the most common for people to decide to give up on it?
If I decide to try this one, I'll try to remember to let you know. Memory ain't what it used to be. :(
Angel
Posted by Greg on July 24, 2002, at 9:21:23
In reply to Re: Mood stabilizers -- Greg, posted by Angel Girl on July 24, 2002, at 2:04:28
AG,
I think it's the cognitive dulling that causes most people to give up on Topamax before it reaches it's maximum benefit. A lot of them work in jobs where you really have to be on top of your game mentally and the side effect, although it only lasts a few days at a time, can really hinder the thought process. I found it helpful to keep my Palm Pilot and a cassette recorder with me so I could keep notes so I wouldn't forget things. But like I said it does pass eventually.
Greg
Posted by Angel Girl on July 25, 2002, at 3:26:35
In reply to Re: Mood stabilizers » Angel Girl, posted by Greg on July 24, 2002, at 9:21:23
> AG,
>
> I think it's the cognitive dulling that causes most people to give up on Topamax before it reaches it's maximum benefit. A lot of them work in jobs where you really have to be on top of your game mentally and the side effect, although it only lasts a few days at a time, can really hinder the thought process. I found it helpful to keep my Palm Pilot and a cassette recorder with me so I could keep notes so I wouldn't forget things. But like I said it does pass eventually.
>
> GregGreg
Gee, I already feel like that now. It kinda scares me to think that Topomax could actually make that worse. Maybe I wouldn't be able to function mentally at all. :(
Angel
Posted by cybercafe on July 26, 2002, at 0:24:36
In reply to Re: Mood stabilizers » Greg, posted by Angel Girl on July 25, 2002, at 3:26:35
hey Angel Girl have you managed to find a doc yet?
i was going through the local blue pages, under health, and there is apparently a psychiatric advocacy service, as well as a number for something like mental health admissions ...
how did your efforts go so far?
Posted by Angel Girl on July 26, 2002, at 4:13:39
In reply to Angel girl -- more info , posted by cybercafe on July 26, 2002, at 0:24:36
> hey Angel Girl have you managed to find a doc yet?
>
> i was going through the local blue pages, under health, and there is apparently a psychiatric advocacy service, as well as a number for something like mental health admissions ...
>
> how did your efforts go so far?
cybercafeI've tried every link you gave me. Nobody will help me. I don't know what else to do. The mental health system chooses to ignore my existence. Maybe I should ignore my meds and my afflictions and just go back to work and pretend life is perfect.
Angel
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