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Posted by jay on June 14, 2002, at 23:50:37
Will you calm down please with the swearing and such? I am sorry you have horrific problems to deal with, but so do I and many others. Being mad and swearing and cursing everything does no good.BTW..regarding neurology, they can only prescribe the same drugs any other doctor can. They don't have any magical potions to 'fix' anybody.
Much of medicine is still an 'art' form anyways.
Jay
Posted by LostBoyinNC1 on June 15, 2002, at 10:56:37
In reply to Lost BoyinNC1/Eric (civility), posted by jay on June 14, 2002, at 23:50:37
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> Will you calm down please with the swearing and such? I am sorry you have horrific problems to deal with, but so do I and many others. Being mad and swearing and cursing everything does no good.
>Im sorry you feel this way Jay. But I must disagree with you here. Being mad when its appropriate is OK. There are a lot of things to be mad about in the "mental health" profession and being mad about it gives me the motivation to try to change some things. I admit I shouldnt use so much profanity though, you have me there.
> BTW..regarding neurology, they can only prescribe the same drugs any other doctor can. They don't have any magical potions to 'fix' anybody.
Wrong Jay. Neurology is a much MUCH more science oriented branch of medicine. Neurologists understand the brain and the nervous system a hundred times better than your average psychiatrist. These are brain based illnesses we suffer from, they are NOT mysterious "psychological" problems as we have all been brainwashed into believing by the mental health profession.
Did you know that psychiatric medications are classified by the pharmaceutical companies under "Central Nervous System" and not by "Psychiatry" Jay? Did you know that the man who invented ECT was a Neurologist and not a psychiatrist? Did you know that most of the research psychiatrists involved in functional neuroimaging are dually trained in both psychiatry and Neurology?
Did you know Freud was a Neurologist?
Functional neuroimaging for the first time ever is showing that people with severe mental illness have major brain dysfunction. Neurologists are in the best position to continue this functional neuroimaging research and eventually apply it clinically. In fact, Neurologists are ALREADY applying functional neuroimaging to diagnosing parkinsons, epilepsy, alzheimers, dementia and other neuro diseases. Mental illness is going to be next.
Now who would you trust to do your functional neuroimaging studies? A freaking idiot psychiatrist? Or a Neurologist? Id prefer a Neurologist myself. In all honesty, Id be rather nervous to say the least if I knew the person analyzing my SPECT scan was JUST a psychiatrist. I dont know if Id trust the results of the scan.
Neurology should be treating the severely mentally ill. Torrey Fuller says it, Senator Pete Domenici, NM says it, Krapelin said it...psychiatry is a joke. We need high tech solutions to complicated, complex brain diseases.
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> Much of medicine is still an 'art' form anyways.It is? Who says so? In the rest of medicine they have medical tests to rule things out objectively. Psychiatry has none. Thats why psychiatry is considered to be an "art" more than science. I call it BULLSHIT.
LostBoyinNC
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 15, 2002, at 14:20:28
In reply to Re: Lost BoyinNC1/Eric (civility), posted by LostBoyinNC1 on June 15, 2002, at 10:56:37
> In the rest of medicine they have medical tests to rule things out objectively. Psychiatry has none. Thats why psychiatry is considered to be an "art" more than science. I call it BULLSHIT.
I've already asked you not to use language that might offend others, so I'm going to block you from posting now.
Bob
PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies and complaints about posts should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration, thanks.
Posted by jay on June 16, 2002, at 2:02:26
In reply to Re: Lost BoyinNC1/Eric (civility), posted by LostBoyinNC1 on June 15, 2002, at 10:56:37
I know Eric got bumped for swearing...and heck I swear a lot too...and I just feel kind of bad he got blocked. Maybe I was the one who was just being a pompeous arse.He did have his point about psychiatrists...though. Certainly not all, but quite a few treat us 'consumers' like we are dogs who should just be 'obedient'. I am thinking the next time I got a a pdoc, I am going to not leave their office until they give me 120 percent of what I need. I guess they will have to call the cops to drag me out.
So, I certainly don't blame LostBoy for being p*ssed at the 'establishment.
Jay
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> > Will you calm down please with the swearing and such? I am sorry you have horrific problems to deal with, but so do I and many others. Being mad and swearing and cursing everything does no good.
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> Im sorry you feel this way Jay. But I must disagree with you here. Being mad when its appropriate is OK. There are a lot of things to be mad about in the "mental health" profession and being mad about it gives me the motivation to try to change some things. I admit I shouldnt use so much profanity though, you have me there.
>
> > BTW..regarding neurology, they can only prescribe the same drugs any other doctor can. They don't have any magical potions to 'fix' anybody.
>
> Wrong Jay. Neurology is a much MUCH more science oriented branch of medicine. Neurologists understand the brain and the nervous system a hundred times better than your average psychiatrist. These are brain based illnesses we suffer from, they are NOT mysterious "psychological" problems as we have all been brainwashed into believing by the mental health profession.
>
> Did you know that psychiatric medications are classified by the pharmaceutical companies under "Central Nervous System" and not by "Psychiatry" Jay? Did you know that the man who invented ECT was a Neurologist and not a psychiatrist? Did you know that most of the research psychiatrists involved in functional neuroimaging are dually trained in both psychiatry and Neurology?
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> Did you know Freud was a Neurologist?
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> Functional neuroimaging for the first time ever is showing that people with severe mental illness have major brain dysfunction. Neurologists are in the best position to continue this functional neuroimaging research and eventually apply it clinically. In fact, Neurologists are ALREADY applying functional neuroimaging to diagnosing parkinsons, epilepsy, alzheimers, dementia and other neuro diseases. Mental illness is going to be next.
>
> Now who would you trust to do your functional neuroimaging studies? A freaking idiot psychiatrist? Or a Neurologist? Id prefer a Neurologist myself. In all honesty, Id be rather nervous to say the least if I knew the person analyzing my SPECT scan was JUST a psychiatrist. I dont know if Id trust the results of the scan.
>
> Neurology should be treating the severely mentally ill. Torrey Fuller says it, Senator Pete Domenici, NM says it, Krapelin said it...psychiatry is a joke. We need high tech solutions to complicated, complex brain diseases.
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> >
> > Much of medicine is still an 'art' form anyways.
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> It is? Who says so? In the rest of medicine they have medical tests to rule things out objectively. Psychiatry has none. Thats why psychiatry is considered to be an "art" more than science. I call it BULLSHIT.
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> LostBoyinNC
Posted by omega man on June 16, 2002, at 3:02:06
In reply to Re: Lost BoyinNC1/Eric (civility), posted by LostBoyinNC1 on June 15, 2002, at 10:56:37
Well youre blocked now..so perhaps you wanted that...you must have been well aware of what you were doing ..but re-read why I think Dr Bob accused you of overgeneralizing...
What after all is reactive mentall illness ? it accounts for a great deal of problems..or it starts them..it may even start a "brain disease" process to those genetically neurally pre-disposed..but you have been overgeneralizing..and you won't get anywhere with your ideas if you keep getting thrown out and losing it, but I don't blame you..
I wrote plenty of similiar stuff articles entitled "psychiatry is all cr*p"
and insult my mother regularly (a Pdoc) for not having a clue how the brain works...
What you have to remember is that as long as people are trying to do their best thats what matters..because it means they will be sensitive to genuine issues in their field which look inevatible.
People train, then struggle to find a place in these careers..its not the psychiatrists fault that they entered into their profession at this stage...of blindness..its just how things are..and as far as i'm aware..young doctors train to be biopsychiatrists...these days..at least I hope they do...I mean the uni texts are printed like that..so when I saw that I said to myself..calm down its all getting better..
In ten years the field will be psychogenetics with drugs that read your code and let you have whatever state of mind you need...and so when the Neural code gets unravelled things will change at the pace they always do..
you'd be better served to come back and discuss your problems and frustrations here and let these bigger issues take care of themselves...
OK whos for WHY THE BLOODY HELL SHOULD PROFIT DICTATE WHAT BECOMES A VALID TREATMENT !!!!
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