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Posted by hudef on December 28, 2001, at 2:07:18
I don't actually suffer from depression, but I do suffer from a disorder that is pretty depressing(both for me and my girlfriend). The reason I was led to this board was that I read somewhere that some anti-depressants can help aleviate this condition. After plenty of research regarding PE, as well as honest introspection, I am convinced that my malady is not psychologicaly induced(i.e. by some sort of anxiety). Accepting my assesment as true, do you believe that taking anti-depressents could be beneficial?
I have read that anafridil taken 24 hours before sex is the most common recommendation. What's the dose? What other drugs might also be considered.
I have a friend who has zyprexa and valpro tablets which they have offered to share with me. Perchance are either of these worthy of consideration?
Posted by kid47 on December 28, 2001, at 10:49:11
In reply to Cause for depression, posted by hudef on December 28, 2001, at 2:07:18
Howdy. I assume PE is premature ejaculation. There can be many factors that cause this & a lot of men have experienced it at one time or another. There is good info on the net or the library about this. I would be wary of sharing friends psychmeds. They could cause unpleasant or even dangerous side effects. Maybe you could speak to your doc about this. Paxil (an anti-depressant) has been succesfully prescribed for treatment of premature ejaculation. Good luck. Take care.
kid
> I don't actually suffer from depression, but I do suffer from a disorder that is pretty depressing(both for me and my girlfriend). The reason I was led to this board was that I read somewhere that some anti-depressants can help aleviate this condition. After plenty of research regarding PE, as well as honest introspection, I am convinced that my malady is not psychologicaly induced(i.e. by some sort of anxiety). Accepting my assesment as true, do you believe that taking anti-depressents could be beneficial?
>
> I have read that anafridil taken 24 hours before sex is the most common recommendation. What's the dose? What other drugs might also be considered.
>
> I have a friend who has zyprexa and valpro tablets which they have offered to share with me. Perchance are either of these worthy of consideration?
Posted by hudef on December 29, 2001, at 5:04:58
In reply to Re: Cause for depression » hudef, posted by kid47 on December 28, 2001, at 10:49:11
Thanks kid,
yup, it is premature ejaculation that is the cause of my grief.
I did see a doctor about it three years back. First he told me to try the "squeeze" method, but I informed him that I had already given this a good try. It didn't work for me. Then he told me that PE is not really a physical problem and no medication existed to treat it. But he offered to sign me up for a two year series of consultations with a shrink! I said that in my opinion it was a physical malady in my case, as it has been a lifelong malady. He said I should learn to live with it, and that endurance is not important to all women(bullshit!). I told him that I was so desperate(it was ruining my relationship) that I wanted him to give me a script for the dick injections I had read about. He flatly refused and proceeded to give me another condescending lecture about the psycological cause of my malady.
Most doctors seem to resent a patient who knows what is wrong with him, and especially someone who suggests the appropriate treatment. Imho doctors rate just above lawyers on the lovability index.
I am apprehensive that if I go see a doc and tell him I need a script for Paxil he will just try to slip me a prescription for a placebo. Maybe if I just pretend to suffer from depression.....
By the way:
1) What would be the dose?
2) Would I need to take the Paxil daily, or only if I expected to engage in sex?
3)If only when needed, how long before?
4)I am in Australia right now; do you know if Paxil is approved for sexual dysfunction here?Thanks for your advice and words of encouragement.
> Howdy. I assume PE is premature ejaculation. There can be many factors that cause this & a lot of men have experienced it at one time or another. There is good info on the net or the library about this. I would be wary of sharing friends psychmeds. They could cause unpleasant or even dangerous side effects. Maybe you could speak to your doc about this. Paxil (an anti-depressant) has been succesfully prescribed for treatment of premature ejaculation. Good luck. Take care.
>
> kid
>
> > I don't actually suffer from depression, but I do suffer from a disorder that is pretty depressing(both for me and my girlfriend). The reason I was led to this board was that I read somewhere that some anti-depressants can help aleviate this condition. After plenty of research regarding PE, as well as honest introspection, I am convinced that my malady is not psychologicaly induced(i.e. by some sort of anxiety). Accepting my assesment as true, do you believe that taking anti-depressents could be beneficial?
> >
> > I have read that anafridil taken 24 hours before sex is the most common recommendation. What's the dose? What other drugs might also be considered.
> >
> > I have a friend who has zyprexa and valpro tablets which they have offered to share with me. Perchance are either of these worthy of consideration?
Posted by cisco on December 29, 2001, at 17:20:03
In reply to Cause for depression, posted by hudef on December 28, 2001, at 2:07:18
Dear Hudef:
Relax. Women do not orgasm simply by the act of a penis inserted in a vagina.
Those who do are probably faking it!
Bring your lover to climax by stimulating her breasts, and manipulating her clitoris. Go slow! Revel in her body. Make love to her with your mouth and your hands. Don't worry about screwing her.
After she orgasms, it's your turn. Now the pressure is off! One second, or one hour of humping, makes no diff. She's happy. You are a stud!
Vibrators are the great equalizer. Get one for your woman, if she dosent already have one. The easy way to simultaneous orgasms!!!
Remember, the point is to both have fun, to both cum. The end justifies the means.
You will be a great lover!
-Cisco
Posted by ChristophreJMC on December 30, 2001, at 0:11:45
In reply to Re: Cause for depression, posted by hudef on December 29, 2001, at 5:04:58
I can't tell you what would be the best thing to try first, but I do know that delayed male orgasm is a very common side-effect of Paxil (perhaps called Seroxat in .au).
> 1) What would be the dose?
Personally (as with all of these answers, I can only speak from personal experience), I had the same delayed effect no matter the dose -- start low and, er, experiment.
> 2) Would I need to take the Paxil daily, or only if I expected to engage in sex?
You might be able to take it as needed -- I would often skip a dose if I expected to have sex that day (there is such a thing as lasting too long!).
> 3)If only when needed, how long before?
The amount of time can vary from person to person, but I experienced the effect an hour or two after taking it.
> 4)I am in Australia right now; do you know if Paxil is approved for sexual dysfunction here?
> > >
> > > I have read that anafridil taken 24 hours before sex is the most common recommendation. What's the dose? What other drugs might also be considered.Anafranil might work better than Paxil, but it also has a lot of undesirable side-effects (at least when taken regularly and at dosages used for mood disorders).
> > >
> > > I have a friend who has zyprexa and valpro tablets which they have offered to share with me. Perchance are either of these worthy of consideration?Not sure what valpro is, but I don't think that Zyprexa would be all that helpful for your situation (I think anorgasmia and decreased libido are more common sexual side-effects caused by the atypical antipsychotics than delayed ejaculation).
Hope this is of some help,
ChristophreP.S.- I really tried to avoid any unintentional puns in this particular post, but I do apologise if you happen to find any!
Posted by hudef on December 31, 2001, at 9:17:04
In reply to Re: Cause for depression » hudef, posted by ChristophreJMC on December 30, 2001, at 0:11:45
Thank's Christophre,
you've cleared up almost all my questions. But here are a couple more:I will start with a small dose. But what is a small dose?
Also, are there any side effect I should be expecting?(besides the one I am hoping for).By circumstances beyond our control, I have been living apart from the girl I love for the last few months. In two weeks we will be back together again. I know she will be pleasantly surprised.
Wish me luck in scoring a prescription when I see the doctor tomorrow.
Posted by hudef on December 31, 2001, at 10:46:04
In reply to Re: Cause for depression, posted by cisco on December 29, 2001, at 17:20:03
Thanks Cisco,
for your good, sympathetic advice. But I err if I have given you the impression that I am obsessed with "satisfying my woman" merely by prolonged humping, at the exclusion of other, more delicate and sensual communication. And I err in that my aims are not purely so altruistic. I also want to enjoy the pleasure of sexual union that lasts as long as I would like it to last; not merely until my neurological system decides to have a spasm.Regarding the methodologies of ectasy which you so nicely deliniate-- I can only say that deficiency in the "humping" dept. has, if anything, caused me to engage a plethora of techniques by way of compensation, including those you speak of.
The essence of satisfying lovemaking may not be just humping till the cows come home. But by watching a lot of nature documentaries, I think I can safely say that prolonged vigorous shagging may have it's place.
> Relax. Women do not orgasm simply by the act of a penis inserted in a vagina.I have gotten that far, so I can affirm that this is true.
> Those who do are probably faking it!Gees, I wish they would fake it once in a while, instead of saying "is that it?".
>
> Bring your lover to climax by stimulating her breasts, and manipulating her clitoris.Some have accused me of being manipulative.
Go slow! Revel in her body. Make love to her with your mouth and your hands. Don't worry about screwing her.
But it would make a nice change once in a while.
>
> After she orgasms, it's your turn. Now the pressure is off!You seem to assume, as did my doctor, that the root of my problem(pardon the pun),is some kind of performance anxiety. Let me reassure you that I have long ago transcended any expectation for me "to perform"(as, unfortunately, has my girlfriend),so we are forced to make do with touchy feely type of stuff.
-One second, or one hour of humping, makes no diff.
I don't believe you.
She's happy. You are a stud!She's very considerate. I am a dud.
> Vibrators are the great equalizer. Get one for your woman, if she dosent already have one.She's tried 'em. She don't like 'em. It only goes to show, they're not all the same.
The easy way to simultaneous orgasms!!!
Now there's a concept which is an unnecessary imposition in the realm of spontaneity!
>
> Remember, the point is to both have fun,sure, but fucking could be fun too, couldn't it?
>to both cum.
cumming is no problem for me.
>The end justifies the means.
If the end just didn't come so soon....
> You will be a great lover!I'd settle for slightly below average lover.
(don't take offence at my sarcastic demenor, Cisco, I know you are my well wisher, and your advice is sound.)Anyway, we seem to have gotten slightly off the designated subject matter for this branch. But hell, sex is much more interesting than treatments for clinical depression, eh?!
Posted by kid47 on December 31, 2001, at 15:21:34
In reply to Re: Cause for depression, posted by hudef on December 29, 2001, at 5:04:58
Doseage can vary, but I would start with no more than 10mgs. I have read that taking Paxil at least 2 hrs before sex is necessary although in my experience the delayed orgasm effect didn't rear it's ugly head (in my case the Paxil causes sexual problems rather than helps with them) until I had been on the drug continuously for about 3 wks. Remember Paxil like most psych meds is a potent medicine. It may or may not address your specific problem-but can have unpleasant side fx & does alter brain chemistry. I would not recommend taking it without a Drs. supervision. A pdoc might be a good place to start. You would probably have better luck convincing one of your need for Paxil than a GP. I don't know if it's "approved" anywhere for sexual dysfunction. I have read of it being rx'd off label for PE. Hope this helps
kid> Thanks kid,
>
> yup, it is premature ejaculation that is the cause of my grief.
>
> I did see a doctor about it three years back. First he told me to try the "squeeze" method, but I informed him that I had already given this a good try. It didn't work for me. Then he told me that PE is not really a physical problem and no medication existed to treat it. But he offered to sign me up for a two year series of consultations with a shrink! I said that in my opinion it was a physical malady in my case, as it has been a lifelong malady. He said I should learn to live with it, and that endurance is not important to all women(bullshit!). I told him that I was so desperate(it was ruining my relationship) that I wanted him to give me a script for the dick injections I had read about. He flatly refused and proceeded to give me another condescending lecture about the psycological cause of my malady.
>
> Most doctors seem to resent a patient who knows what is wrong with him, and especially someone who suggests the appropriate treatment. Imho doctors rate just above lawyers on the lovability index.
>
> I am apprehensive that if I go see a doc and tell him I need a script for Paxil he will just try to slip me a prescription for a placebo. Maybe if I just pretend to suffer from depression.....
>
> By the way:
>
> 1) What would be the dose?
> 2) Would I need to take the Paxil daily, or only if I expected to engage in sex?
> 3)If only when needed, how long before?
> 4)I am in Australia right now; do you know if Paxil is approved for sexual dysfunction here?
>
> Thanks for your advice and words of encouragement.
>
>
> > Howdy. I assume PE is premature ejaculation. There can be many factors that cause this & a lot of men have experienced it at one time or another. There is good info on the net or the library about this. I would be wary of sharing friends psychmeds. They could cause unpleasant or even dangerous side effects. Maybe you could speak to your doc about this. Paxil (an anti-depressant) has been succesfully prescribed for treatment of premature ejaculation. Good luck. Take care.
> >
> > kid
> >
> > > I don't actually suffer from depression, but I do suffer from a disorder that is pretty depressing(both for me and my girlfriend). The reason I was led to this board was that I read somewhere that some anti-depressants can help aleviate this condition. After plenty of research regarding PE, as well as honest introspection, I am convinced that my malady is not psychologicaly induced(i.e. by some sort of anxiety). Accepting my assesment as true, do you believe that taking anti-depressents could be beneficial?
> > >
> > > I have read that anafridil taken 24 hours before sex is the most common recommendation. What's the dose? What other drugs might also be considered.
> > >
> > > I have a friend who has zyprexa and valpro tablets which they have offered to share with me. Perchance are either of these worthy of consideration?
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 31, 2001, at 17:28:55
In reply to Sympathy for the devil » cisco, posted by hudef on December 31, 2001, at 10:46:04
> Anyway, we seem to have gotten slightly off the designated subject matter for this branch. But hell, sex is much more interesting than treatments for clinical depression, eh?!
You have, and whether it is or not, follow-ups not having to do with medication should be redirected to Psycho-Social-Babble. :-) Thanks, and happy new year,
Bob
PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies should also be redirected, but to Psycho-Babble Administration; otherwise, they may be deleted.
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