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Posted by fluffykitty on September 7, 2001, at 16:00:36
Im talking here about Adrafinil which a number of people here take and advocate. I looked at the web pages on it. Its not approved in the USA right?!
Is anyone concerned about the risks of taking a drug that is not approved by the FDA? Sure it sounds like a cool and good drug and its approved in France and Europe but how much long term study has been done on it? What if they find out in a few years that it causes some type of cancer or something?
Thanks.
Posted by adamie on September 7, 2001, at 16:54:19
In reply to Taking drugs that are not approved by the FDA?, posted by fluffykitty on September 7, 2001, at 16:00:36
> Im talking here about Adrafinil which a number of people here take and advocate. I looked at the web pages on it. Its not approved in the USA right?!
>
> Is anyone concerned about the risks of taking a drug that is not approved by the FDA? Sure it sounds like a cool and good drug and its approved in France and Europe but how much long term study has been done on it? What if they find out in a few years that it causes some type of cancer or something?
>
> Thanks.
the drug is very cheap, has very little marketing value, and it just costs a lot of money to go through the FDA aproval process. the company is therefor not bothering with it. america is not the only source of medication.
Posted by JohnL on September 7, 2001, at 18:24:04
In reply to Re: Taking drugs that are not approved by the FDA?, posted by adamie on September 7, 2001, at 16:54:19
Dittos to everything Adamie said.
Furthermore, how many drugs has the FDA approved which they later had to ban because people were dying? It has happened more often than we like to admit. Just because it isn't FDA approved doesn't mean anything, except that the company didn't have the money to go through the FDA process (millions of dollars). Also, just because a drug is FDA approved doesn't mean anything. Unexpected things happen later on that didn't happen in clinical trials. People die. Then the drug is banned.
In my book, the FDA is an institution that should not be viewed as a bible. They do the best they can, but it is made of people, and people always make mistakes.
What if Adrafinil does end up causing cancer or something later on? Well, since it has been around for several decades already, I think we would have heard of that by now.
One known risk is possible liver problems. That's why liver/blood tests are a good idea twice a year just to monitor the situation. In a year and a half of taking Adrafinil myself, my blood tests keep coming back normal. In a way I'm glad, because it's nice to know the drug isn't doing me any liver harm, but on the other it's not so nice because those darn blood tests are expensive! :-)
As with all things in life, it comes down to a decision based on potential benefit versus potential risk. For those of us who have found Adrafinil to be a life saving drug, the benefits far outweight the risks.
John> > Im talking here about Adrafinil which a number of people here take and advocate. I looked at the web pages on it. Its not approved in the USA right?!
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> > Is anyone concerned about the risks of taking a drug that is not approved by the FDA? Sure it sounds like a cool and good drug and its approved in France and Europe but how much long term study has been done on it? What if they find out in a few years that it causes some type of cancer or something?
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> > Thanks.
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> the drug is very cheap, has very little marketing value, and it just costs a lot of money to go through the FDA aproval process. the company is therefor not bothering with it. america is not the only source of medication.
Posted by Storm on September 7, 2001, at 20:11:01
In reply to Re: Taking drugs that are not approved by the FDA?, posted by JohnL on September 7, 2001, at 18:24:04
I don't know that it is a problem in actual drugs, but there is a problem with energy pill and stuff that aren't fda approved. many of the energy, arthritis, and other pills are made with ground up cow brains. no joke, I learned this at college yesterday. that is something major to check for, as mad cow disease is becoming a problem in the countries from where the pills are coming from. just thought I'd mention that.
> Dittos to everything Adamie said.
>
> Furthermore, how many drugs has the FDA approved which they later had to ban because people were dying? It has happened more often than we like to admit. Just because it isn't FDA approved doesn't mean anything, except that the company didn't have the money to go through the FDA process (millions of dollars). Also, just because a drug is FDA approved doesn't mean anything. Unexpected things happen later on that didn't happen in clinical trials. People die. Then the drug is banned.
>
> In my book, the FDA is an institution that should not be viewed as a bible. They do the best they can, but it is made of people, and people always make mistakes.
>
> What if Adrafinil does end up causing cancer or something later on? Well, since it has been around for several decades already, I think we would have heard of that by now.
>
> One known risk is possible liver problems. That's why liver/blood tests are a good idea twice a year just to monitor the situation. In a year and a half of taking Adrafinil myself, my blood tests keep coming back normal. In a way I'm glad, because it's nice to know the drug isn't doing me any liver harm, but on the other it's not so nice because those darn blood tests are expensive! :-)
>
> As with all things in life, it comes down to a decision based on potential benefit versus potential risk. For those of us who have found Adrafinil to be a life saving drug, the benefits far outweight the risks.
> John
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> > > Im talking here about Adrafinil which a number of people here take and advocate. I looked at the web pages on it. Its not approved in the USA right?!
> > >
> > > Is anyone concerned about the risks of taking a drug that is not approved by the FDA? Sure it sounds like a cool and good drug and its approved in France and Europe but how much long term study has been done on it? What if they find out in a few years that it causes some type of cancer or something?
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> > > Thanks.
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> > the drug is very cheap, has very little marketing value, and it just costs a lot of money to go through the FDA aproval process. the company is therefor not bothering with it. america is not the only source of medication.
Posted by Cam W. on September 7, 2001, at 20:21:03
In reply to Re: Taking drugs that are not approved by the FDA?, posted by Storm on September 7, 2001, at 20:11:01
> many of the energy, arthritis, and other pills are made with ground up cow brains.
Storm - The drugs that these guys are talking about are chemically synthesized. There's not a big market for ground up cow's brains, except maybe in some weird "natural" product. I have no idea what chemicals in a cow's brain would be considered therapeutic. - Cam
Posted by Storm on September 7, 2001, at 21:13:43
In reply to Re: Taking drugs that are not approved by the FDA? » Storm, posted by Cam W. on September 7, 2001, at 20:21:03
yeah, I wasn't sure about in any drugs from overseas not fda approved; all I know is that they are in many of the energy pills and drinks that you can by at walmart, even gas stations, etc. they are becoming very popular in alot of the us. the brains are a used as a good source of energy, and it's not safe at all.
> Storm - The drugs that these guys are talking about are chemically synthesized. There's not a big market for ground up cow's brains, except maybe in some weird "natural" product. I have no idea what chemicals in a cow's brain would be considered therapeutic. - Cam
>
Posted by fluffykitty on September 8, 2001, at 11:13:15
In reply to Taking drugs that are not approved by the FDA?, posted by fluffykitty on September 7, 2001, at 16:00:36
Thanks for your thougtful remarks.
As for cow brains maybe he means being used as filler.
However he may also be joking because what with mad cow disease I doubt they would be using cow brains.
Pig brains maybe but not cow! ;-)fk
Posted by kazoo on September 8, 2001, at 11:47:11
In reply to Re: Taking drugs that are not approved by the FDA? » Storm, posted by Cam W. on September 7, 2001, at 20:21:03
> There's not a big market for ground up cow's brains...
"Two all cow-brain patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles on a sesame bun ..." they're delicious!"You deserve a break today,
So get up and get away, to McDonald's ...""I write the songs that make the whole world sing...
I write the songs of love and special things
I write the songs that make the young girls cry
Eating cow brains will make you die ..." (tribute to Barry Manilow)kazoo
Posted by sl on September 9, 2001, at 14:52:13
In reply to Taking drugs that are not approved by the FDA?, posted by fluffykitty on September 7, 2001, at 16:00:36
They've found that out about things we eat and drink every day. Most people think it's worth it.
Besides, it can take YEARS for things to get approved by the FDA, and some folks here don't have years to spare.
sl
> Im talking here about Adrafinil which a number of people here take and advocate. I looked at the web pages on it. Its not approved in the USA right?!
>
> Is anyone concerned about the risks of taking a drug that is not approved by the FDA? Sure it sounds like a cool and good drug and its approved in France and Europe but how much long term study has been done on it? What if they find out in a few years that it causes some type of cancer or something?
>
> Thanks.
Posted by Storm on September 10, 2001, at 0:14:22
In reply to Re: Taking drugs that are not approved by the FDA?, posted by sl on September 9, 2001, at 14:52:13
just a few that I came up with. all are main ingredients. obviously the chance of getting the disease is great, muchless in this way of pills, but I wouldn't like to take a chance with non-fda approved pills. the article shows the illness probably starts in the animals brains, which is the most common part ground up for these drugs.
"transfer factor plus" immune system booster
www.wasatchhealth.com/Pages/FTPPlus.html"mens/women's high force 1" anti-aging supplement
www.superhealth-products.com/anti-aging/hIGHforce1.htm"super sterol anabolic complex" non-steroidal dietary supplement
www.americasbestvitaminvalues.com/vitaminpower/25.htmlThis link has now been convincingly established in laboratory studies showing identical, distinctive biological and molecular biological features of the pathologic agent isolated from BSE-infected cattle and human cases of vCJD (27-29). The source of contamination appears to have been beef. However, muscle has never been reproducibly shown to contain the infectious agent in any form of spongiform encephalopathy, whatever the affected species, and thus, infection most probably resulted from beef products contaminated by nervous system tissue. Contamination could have occurred in any of the following ways: cerebral vascular emboli from cranial stunning instruments used to immobilize cattle before killing by exsanguination; contact of muscle with brain or spinal cord tissue by saws or other tools used during slaughter; inclusion of paraspinal ganglia in cuts of meat containing vertebral tissue (e.g., T-bone steaks); and perhaps most importantly, the presence of residual spinal cord and paraspinal ganglia tissue in the paste of "mechanically recovered meat" (a carcass compression extract) that could legally be added to cooked meat products such as meat pies, beef sausages, and various canned meat preparations.
Posted by kazoo on September 10, 2001, at 21:04:32
In reply to pills with cow brains as a ingrediant, posted by Storm on September 10, 2001, at 0:14:22
> ... and various canned meat preparations.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ONLY ONE I KNOW OF!
SPAM!
IT'S A CONSPIRACY, I TELL YOU, A CONSPIRACY!
(a nail-biting) kazoo
Posted by Zo on September 10, 2001, at 21:35:25
In reply to pills with cow brains as a ingrediant, posted by Storm on September 10, 2001, at 0:14:22
Posted by stjames on September 10, 2001, at 22:19:16
In reply to pills with cow brains as a ingrediant, posted by Storm on September 10, 2001, at 0:14:22
> just a few that I came up with. all are main ingredients. obviously the chance of getting the disease is great, muchless in this way of pills, but I wouldn't like to take a chance with non-fda approved pills. the article shows the illness probably starts in the animals brains, which is the most common part ground up for these drugs.
>
> "transfer factor plus" immune system booster
> www.wasatchhealth.com/Pages/FTPPlus.html
>
> "mens/women's high force 1" anti-aging supplement
> www.superhealth-products.com/anti-aging/hIGHforce1.htm
>
> "super sterol anabolic complex" non-steroidal dietary supplement
> www.americasbestvitaminvalues.com/vitaminpower/25.html
>
> This link has now been convincingly established in laboratory studies showing identical, distinctive biological and molecular biological features of the pathologic agent isolated from BSE-infected cattle and human cases of vCJD (27-29). The source of contamination appears to have been beef. However, muscle has never been reproducibly shown to contain the infectious agent in any form of spongiform encephalopathy, whatever the affected species, and thus, infection most probably resulted from beef products contaminated by nervous system tissue. Contamination could have occurred in any of the following ways: cerebral vascular emboli from cranial stunning instruments used to immobilize cattle before killing by exsanguination; contact of muscle with brain or spinal cord tissue by saws or other tools used during slaughter; inclusion of paraspinal ganglia in cuts of meat containing vertebral tissue (e.g., T-bone steaks); and perhaps most importantly, the presence of residual spinal cord and paraspinal ganglia tissue in the paste of "mechanically recovered meat" (a carcass compression extract) that could legally be added to cooked meat products such as meat pies, beef sausages, and various canned meat preparations.
Posted by Cam W. on September 10, 2001, at 23:34:35
In reply to Re: pills with cow brains as a ingrediant » Storm, posted by kazoo on September 10, 2001, at 21:04:32
> > ... and various canned meat preparations.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> ONLY ONE I KNOW OF!
>
> SPAM!
>
> IT'S A CONSPIRACY, I TELL YOU, A CONSPIRACY!
>
> (a nail-biting) kazooKazoo - There was something up here in Canada (don't know if it is still available) called "Spork".
OMG - Does this mean I can't have my fried spam sandwiches, anymore? Spam is one of those things that you can get at "The Alcoholic's Supermarket" (aka 7-Eleven) and time of day. - Cam
Posted by Phil on September 11, 2001, at 6:54:56
In reply to Re: pills with cow brains as a ingrediant » kazoo, posted by Cam W. on September 10, 2001, at 23:34:35
Posted by Wendy B. on September 15, 2001, at 0:58:30
In reply to pills with cow brains as a ingrediant, posted by Storm on September 10, 2001, at 0:14:22
i've seen adrenal gland in capsule form in health food stores, had a friend who took them, swore by them. my pdoc said BAD idea... i assume this is bovine adrenal?...
> just a few that I came up with. all are main ingredients. obviously the chance of getting the disease is great, muchless in this way of pills, but I wouldn't like to take a chance with non-fda approved pills. the article shows the illness probably starts in the animals brains, which is the most common part ground up for these drugs.
>
> "transfer factor plus" immune system booster
> www.wasatchhealth.com/Pages/FTPPlus.html
>
> "mens/women's high force 1" anti-aging supplement
> www.superhealth-products.com/anti-aging/hIGHforce1.htm
>
> "super sterol anabolic complex" non-steroidal dietary supplement
> www.americasbestvitaminvalues.com/vitaminpower/25.html
>
> This link has now been convincingly established in laboratory studies showing identical, distinctive biological and molecular biological features of the pathologic agent isolated from BSE-infected cattle and human cases of vCJD (27-29). The source of contamination appears to have been beef. However, muscle has never been reproducibly shown to contain the infectious agent in any form of spongiform encephalopathy, whatever the affected species, and thus, infection most probably resulted from beef products contaminated by nervous system tissue. Contamination could have occurred in any of the following ways: cerebral vascular emboli from cranial stunning instruments used to immobilize cattle before killing by exsanguination; contact of muscle with brain or spinal cord tissue by saws or other tools used during slaughter; inclusion of paraspinal ganglia in cuts of meat containing vertebral tissue (e.g., T-bone steaks); and perhaps most importantly, the presence of residual spinal cord and paraspinal ganglia tissue in the paste of "mechanically recovered meat" (a carcass compression extract) that could legally be added to cooked meat products such as meat pies, beef sausages, and various canned meat preparations.
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