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Posted by Dubya on February 28, 2001, at 14:48:06
Gees, like everyday, I guess it's just me but, I seem to ALWAYS GET RUNOVER or put down by others. Compared to them, I have no EGO whatsoever. Perhaps I should start being ARROGANT and CUT PEOPLE OFF WHEN DRIVING OR PUT THEM DOWN or JUST BE AN ASSHOLE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE in this world.
Posted by pat123 on February 28, 2001, at 15:08:49
In reply to IS the purpose of life to get 'run over' by others, posted by Dubya on February 28, 2001, at 14:48:06
> Gees, like everyday, I guess it's just me but, I seem to ALWAYS GET RUNOVER or put down by others. Compared to them, I have no EGO whatsoever. Perhaps I should start being ARROGANT and CUT PEOPLE OFF WHEN DRIVING OR PUT THEM DOWN or JUST BE AN ASSHOLE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE in this world.
You want to examine you own assertiveness and ways you are a willing victim.Pat
Posted by Dubya on February 28, 2001, at 15:51:41
In reply to Re: IS the purpose of life to get 'run over' by others, posted by pat123 on February 28, 2001, at 15:08:49
Hey PAT123, I didn't mean to get so upset but, I don't know if I quite understand what you meant when you replied. Somehow, I make myself a victim? I wouldn't want to be a victim by any means. My condition has been worsened or created due to the fact that I feel like a victim.
> > Gees, like everyday, I guess it's just me but, I seem to ALWAYS GET RUNOVER or put down by others. Compared to them, I have no EGO whatsoever. Perhaps I should start being ARROGANT and CUT PEOPLE OFF WHEN DRIVING OR PUT THEM DOWN or JUST BE AN ASSHOLE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE in this world.
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> You want to examine you own assertiveness and ways you are a willing victim.
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> Pat
Posted by pat123 on February 28, 2001, at 16:03:07
In reply to IS the purpose of life to get 'run over'... Pat123, posted by Dubya on February 28, 2001, at 15:51:41
> Hey PAT123, I didn't mean to get so upset but, I don't know if I quite understand what you meant when you replied. Somehow, I make myself a victim?
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> > > Gees, like everyday, I guess it's just me but, I seem to ALWAYS GET RUNOVER or put down by others.If this is happening "everyday" or even often then you need to look at what you are doing to cause this. You really can't change everyone but you can change you. If you are always the victim
you have probably learned how to be a good one.
That is to say you let people take advantage of
you and not treat you with respect. You have to allow people to take advantage of you just as you can allow people not to take advantage of you.Of course, if by "ALWAYS GET RUNOVER" you mean by a car, the police or a driving lesson might be in order ! Otherwise, suspect your actions and not others as the cause.
Pat
Posted by Dubya on February 28, 2001, at 20:42:49
In reply to Re: IS the purpose of life to get 'run over'... Pat123, posted by pat123 on February 28, 2001, at 16:03:07
I meant that, I am 20/male, but am unable to stick up for myself. I try to avoid confronting people but, when people let's say find me easy to pick on, I don't know what to do and I panic or get scared and can't think of what to do. PRetty pathetic isn't it. Not only that, even people in authority run over me. I mean, sure I let people run over me but, I don't know any better, too bad. Or rather I am stupid enough to let that happen. It sucks being sensitive and nice I guess?
Posted by dj on February 28, 2001, at 20:45:21
In reply to IS the purpose of life to get 'run over'... Pat123, posted by Dubya on February 28, 2001, at 15:51:41
>Somehow, I make myself a victim? I wouldn't want to be a victim by any means. My condition has been worsened or created due to the fact that I >feel like a victim.
Check out the web-site http://www.undoingdepression.com and you may get some clarity on what Pat's talking about and some of the threads on Psycy.SocialBabble that mention Richard O'Connor's newest book: "Active Treatment of Depression"
Posted by Dubya on February 28, 2001, at 20:53:02
In reply to Re: IS the purpose of life to get 'run over' » Dubya, posted by dj on February 28, 2001, at 20:45:21
> >Somehow, I make myself a victim? I wouldn't want to be a victim by any means. My condition
Thanks everyone for either replying or trying to help me out. Not to scare anybody but, life is getting to me. I don't like to be making excuses as to why I do things wrong unless absolutely necessary. That being said, I feel like I am a screw up and am naturally like that. I still don't believe or cannot believe that I've been diagnosed with depression, anxiety, OCD. If I have a problem, I will readily accept that but, if I am saying something for the sake of saying I have a 'problem' than, I am a big baby. Please tell me that, a medical condition can account for me feeling clumsy/nervous/intimidated around people, as well, when in groups, especially with strangers, I tend to say stupid things or at least don't have control over what I say. Any suggestions would truly be appreciated. < mailto:tlwr0004@humberc.on.ca >
Posted by dj on February 28, 2001, at 21:04:47
In reply to Thanks DJ! I appreciate your concern!, posted by Dubya on February 28, 2001, at 20:53:02
> >Please tell me that, a medical condition can account for me feeling clumsy/nervous/intimidated around people, as well, when in groups, especially with strangers, I tend to say stupid things or at least don't have control over what I say. Any suggestions would truly be appreciated. >< mailto:tlwr0004@humberc.on.ca >
Based on your e-mail address you are a student at Humber College in T.O.. If that's the case then you should have access to student counselling there. If not, you should be able to access counsellng in the city through O.I.S.E. or other resources...Check it out and those folks can help you, help yourself, in person...
Posted by Dubya on February 28, 2001, at 21:13:24
In reply to Re:As requested, a suggestion.., posted by dj on February 28, 2001, at 21:04:47
Yikes! LOL you know that I am from T.O area! where are you from? DJ, are you suffering from any conditions or on medication?
Posted by dj on February 28, 2001, at 23:30:20
In reply to Re:As requested, a suggestion..Plz E-mail me DJ, posted by Dubya on February 28, 2001, at 21:13:24
> Yikes! LOL you know that I am from T.O area! where are you from? DJ, are you suffering from >any conditions or on medication?
Dubya,
I'm from Vancouver. Been battling depression, etc. over the years. Don't really want to get into a lot of details at this time. Tired and going to call it a night.
No need for e-mail chatter, this is fine for now. I lived in T.O. for a couple of years, hence I recognize Humber College and know a bit about it. Please do speak with some counsellors there as live counselling will get you a lot further than on line or e-mail speculation. This can help and that, I believe, will help you even more if you seriously pursue it.
Sante!
dj
Posted by JahL on March 1, 2001, at 12:35:36
In reply to Thanks DJ! I appreciate your concern!, posted by Dubya on February 28, 2001, at 20:53:02
> > Please tell me that, a medical condition can account for me feeling clumsy/nervous/intimidated around people, as well, when in groups, especially with strangers, I tend to say stupid things or at least don't have control over what I say.
SOCIAL PHOBIA. I have it & these are exactly the symptoms. Low-dose Sulpiride is the only drug (of some 20+) to have consistently helped me. AndrewB has had similar results with low-dose Amisulpride, a close relative of Sulpiride.
Jah.
Posted by Dubya on March 1, 2001, at 16:36:33
In reply to Re: name 4 medical condition. » Dubya, posted by JahL on March 1, 2001, at 12:35:36
> > > Please tell me that, a medical condition can account for me feeling clumsy/nervous/intimidated around people, as well, when in groups, especially with strangers, I tend to say stupid things or at least don't have control over what I say.
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> SOCIAL PHOBIA. I have it & these are exactly the symptoms. Low-dose Sulpiride is the only drug (of some 20+) to have consistently helped me. AndrewB has had similar results with low-dose Amisulpride, a close relative of Sulpiride.
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> Jah.
Posted by JahL on March 1, 2001, at 20:02:10
In reply to Thx Jah, can myClomipramine work for social phobia, posted by Dubya on March 1, 2001, at 16:36:33
In a word, YES, or at least it the potential to help due to its potent serotinergic action. It was prescribed to me in this capacity.
Clomipramine & the SSRIs (Paxil has the FDA approval) can be considered first-line agents for social phobia, although Nardil is considered the 'gold std' for this indication (less commonly used due to potential risk risk of hypertensive crisis). There are studies which document the efficay of Sulpride & Amisulpride in social phobia but they can be considered 2nd or 3rd line agents, to be considered if the above prove ineffectual. Sulpiride is only partially effective 4 me.
You should be aware that social phobia can (as with OCD) be a particularly stubborn disorder to treat and as I have mentioned in other posts, I really think you should talk with yr pdoc about raising the Clomipramine dose. Presently you are only likely to experience side-effects, without benefits. If higher doses prove intolerable then Paxil might be a good next choice (I think you mentioned it in another post).IMO.
Good Luck,
Jah.---------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Please tell me that, a medical condition can account for me feeling clumsy/nervous/intimidated around people, as well, when in groups, especially with strangers, I tend to say stupid things or at least don't have control over what I say.
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> > SOCIAL PHOBIA. I have it & these are exactly the symptoms. Low-dose Sulpiride is the only drug (of some 20+) to have consistently helped me. AndrewB has had similar results with low-dose Amisulpride, a close relative of Sulpiride.
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> > Jah.
Posted by Dubya on March 1, 2001, at 21:28:05
In reply to Re: Thx Jah, can myClomipramine work for social ph » Dubya, posted by JahL on March 1, 2001, at 20:02:10
So at my present dose of 20mg/night (I have been on clomipramine for about 45days), I would experience side-effects rather than benefits? So far thank goodness, no real side effects unless occasional afternoon (3pm) drowsiness and bad dreams/nightmares. I think my depression (dysthymia) is going away but OCD symptoms and Anxiety (Panic/general and social phobia) may need either higher doses or prolonged treatment. BTW, my assumption is that most depressed people have a low self-esteem so they call themselves losers or feel that they are always sufferers.... Well, a lot of the time, I feel stupid, so I think I can see how much suffering they are going through.
Posted by JahL on March 2, 2001, at 13:02:37
In reply to Re: Thx Jah, for the good news but.. side effects?, posted by Dubya on March 1, 2001, at 21:28:05
> > So at my present dose of 20mg/night (I have been on clomipramine for about 45days), I would experience side-effects rather than benefits?
More than likely, yes, tho' side-effects are by no means inevitable.
> > So far thank goodness, no real side effects unless occasional afternoon (3pm) drowsiness and bad dreams/nightmares. I think my depression (dysthymia) is going away but OCD symptoms and Anxiety (Panic/general and social phobia) may need either higher doses or prolonged treatment.
I agree. Social phobia is chronic condition & as such, could require life-long treatment (not as big a deal as it sounds).
> >BTW, my assumption is that most depressed people have a low self-esteem so they call themselves losers or feel that they are always sufferers....
Absolutely, though there is a distinct difference between the lack of self-worth associated with most depressions, and the physical symptoms of extreme nervousness/awkwardness you describe in relation 2 social situations. These sensations are completely disproportionate to the social stimuli that provoke them (hence the *phobia* distinction).
> > Well, a lot of the time, I feel stupid.
Yeah but you seem to be getting a handle on this!
Jah.
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