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Posted by lou pilder on February 8, 2000, at 16:53:59
In reply to can't stop the music, posted by Stuuvert on November 18, 1998, at 13:32:13
I hear music 24 hours a day 7 days a week. It is off key and lousy. It started after I was given Desipramine. I have tried anticonvulsants, clonazapam, I'm on Lithium. I have not had one moments peace since this started 21/2 years ago. Has anyone done anything to get just a moments relief? My song will change with any suggestion. For instance: If I see a sign that says "Mack Rd. Exit" then "Mack the Knife" will play. If you say,"South Pacific" I will hear "Some Enchanted Evening".
Posted by Cindy W on February 8, 2000, at 21:48:14
In reply to Re: can't stop the music, posted by lou pilder on February 8, 2000, at 16:53:59
> I hear music 24 hours a day 7 days a week. It is off key and lousy. It started after I was given Desipramine. I have tried anticonvulsants, clonazapam, I'm on Lithium. I have not had one moments peace since this started 21/2 years ago. Has anyone done anything to get just a moments relief? My song will change with any suggestion. For instance: If I see a sign that says "Mack Rd. Exit" then "Mack the Knife" will play. If you say,"South Pacific" I will hear "Some Enchanted Evening".
Lou, I hear music, but not as often fortunately, as part of OCD. Effexor-XR has helped with this. Also, I don't hear it when I listen to music (at least, I just hear what I'm supposed to be hearing!) so I've tried to spend more time listening to music (I didn't have a car radio or home radio or tv, so got a personal stereo like a Walkman and some cassettes). Have you asked your doctor about possible causes (OCD? seizures? ???). When it happens to me, I will hear the same song for three, four, or even six hours, and when I try to stop it, it stops, then I'll start hearing it again and kind of "hum" it in my head without realizing it. Good luck to you!--Cindy W
Posted by jimwlms on July 17, 2000, at 8:11:23
In reply to Re: can't stop the music, posted by Cindy W on February 8, 2000, at 21:48:14
> > I hear music 24 hours a day 7 days a week. It is off key and lousy.
I happened upon this discussion by accident while doing a search for augmentation strategies. The song, "I Left My Heart in San Francisco" has been playing in my head for about a year now. I don't even like the song. I've tried everything...including a mental "big finish". But the big finish keeps repeating. Has anyone tried actually listening to the song to see if that breaks the pattern?
I sincerely hope some previous contributor to this thread is still around...it would really be helpful to talk about this.
Posted by Cindy W on July 17, 2000, at 8:29:06
In reply to Re: can't stop the music, posted by jimwlms on July 17, 2000, at 8:11:23
> > > I hear music 24 hours a day 7 days a week. It is off key and lousy.
>
> I happened upon this discussion by accident while doing a search for augmentation strategies. The song, "I Left My Heart in San Francisco" has been playing in my head for about a year now. I don't even like the song. I've tried everything...including a mental "big finish". But the big finish keeps repeating. Has anyone tried actually listening to the song to see if that breaks the pattern?
>
> I sincerely hope some previous contributor to this thread is still around...it would really be helpful to talk about this.jimwlms, the song going through my head was "Crystal Ship" by the Doors...and it is pretty much gone. I listen to the first Doors album (side one) over and over and over, now, and have found that the more I listen to real music (and take my meds, of course!) that when I listen to this and lots of other CD's (on the computer or on a tape, since I can't afford a stereo or whatever), my musical repertoire of songs in my head has diversified, I feel less depressed, and I'm not haunted by "The Crystal Ship." Hope this helps!--Cindy W
Posted by jimwlms on July 17, 2000, at 11:01:22
In reply to Re: can't stop the music, posted by Cindy W on July 17, 2000, at 8:29:06
> jimwlms, the song going through my head was "Crystal Ship" by the Doors...and it is pretty much gone.
I've never had this problem before...like I said it began about a year ago. The song that won't quit, "I Left My Heart in San Francisco," came out in '62 when I was 9 years old. It wasn't exactly the kind of stuff I was listening to the radio to hear. So the significance of this particular song is baffling. Something off the first Doors album would make more sense since I literally wore it out when I was 14 or 15. I'm afraid if I actually listen to the Tony Bennett song I'll have some kind of emotional breakdown and they'll find me on the ledge of a 40th floor office window sucking my thumb. But then, maybe Tony Bennett has that effect on everyone.
Posted by PattyG on July 17, 2000, at 15:06:34
In reply to Re: can't stop the music, posted by jimwlms on July 17, 2000, at 11:01:22
This may be WAY off the wall, but has anyone thought about some type of autism? A thought, anyway.
Posted by Cindy W on July 17, 2000, at 20:59:14
In reply to Re: can't stop the music, posted by jimwlms on July 17, 2000, at 11:01:22
> > jimwlms, the song going through my head was "Crystal Ship" by the Doors...and it is pretty much gone.
>
> I've never had this problem before...like I said it began about a year ago. The song that won't quit, "I Left My Heart in San Francisco," came out in '62 when I was 9 years old. It wasn't exactly the kind of stuff I was listening to the radio to hear. So the significance of this particular song is baffling. Something off the first Doors album would make more sense since I literally wore it out when I was 14 or 15. I'm afraid if I actually listen to the Tony Bennett song I'll have some kind of emotional breakdown and they'll find me on the ledge of a 40th floor office window sucking my thumb. But then, maybe Tony Bennett has that effect on everyone.jimwlms, I'm LOL at your description of listening to Tony Bennett! Don't know if liking for a song determines whether the brain selects it for frequent "replay." I love the Doors too, and am glad it's "Crystal Ship." However, I'd recommend you try listening to various songs incl. "I Left My Heart in San Francisco" and see what happens! (Stay away from windows and ledges when you do!). Have heard that hearing frequent music can be l) normal, 2) OCD, 3) neurological. The only thing I'm familiar with is OCD.
Posted by andrewb on July 18, 2000, at 7:44:49
In reply to Re: can't stop the music, posted by jimwlms on July 17, 2000, at 8:11:23
Intrusive thoughts can be taken away by low doses of certain antipsychotics such as Zyprexa. Maybe the same would work for intrusive music. See GeorgeO's post earlier in this thread.
AndrewB
Posted by JudithC on July 18, 2000, at 9:21:58
In reply to Re: can't stop the music, posted by jimwlms on July 17, 2000, at 8:11:23
> > > I hear music 24 hours a day 7 days a week. It is off key and lousy.
>
> I happened upon this discussion by accident while doing a search for augmentation strategies. The song, "I Left My Heart in San Francisco" has been playing in my head for about a year now. I don't even like the song. I've tried everything...including a mental "big finish". But the big finish keeps repeating. Has anyone tried actually listening to the song to see if that breaks the pattern?
>
> I sincerely hope some previous contributor to this thread is still around...it would really be helpful to talk about this.I posted here a few months ago about having tinnitus and a woman sent me an email stating that she has had a musical type tinnitus for several years. Hopefully,she will contact you as per your post so that y'all can discuss this as she shared that she hears certain songs/music 24 hours a day. Should I be able to find her email address,I will write to her and tell her to check this board again.
JudithC
Posted by paul on July 20, 2000, at 0:43:24
In reply to Re: can't stop the music, posted by JudithC on July 18, 2000, at 9:21:58
as a musician i have the tunes "on" 24/7 but it's usually either my own music or some goddamn ad jingle i can't turn off. the latter hasn't happened in years, btw. i feel for those of you who suffer with unavoidable mental noise. although i suffer from a different kind, serzone+seroquel seems to help. i have tinnitus also-too many years at too high a volume-but i've pretty much gotten used to it-at its current level. when it increases-and certain meds have caused this-it's unbearable. i couldn't imagine a full-time version of those slogans that i can't get rid of. they're ALWAYS insufferably stupid. once, while training, the BRANE decided to enervate me with a tape loop of the latest taco-stench add. i literally pulled to the side of the road and yelled, "brain??OHHHH BRAINNNNNN???????? with ALL the killer music we've heard this is the best you can do? i swear when we get home i'm gonna find the RECIEPT for your worthless arse and we're going RIGHT BACK to wherever you came from for a REFUND!!! DO YOU HEAR ME BRAIN????????"
of course it didn't work but it sure gave some drivers a good laugh.
here's a totally off the wall suggestion. i have no idea if this will help at all. what about listening to something so wild and crazy that your mind wouldn't even know how to process/what to make of it? like some freely-improvised music? if anyone wants to try this i can lead you in the right direction. i hope you find relief somewhere. and i hope i made you laugh.
p(c(l))
Posted by Andre Allard on July 26, 2000, at 17:21:14
In reply to Re: can't stop the music, posted by jimwlms on July 17, 2000, at 8:11:23
I have mild OCD and therefore have researched the illness.
Songs playing over and over is a symptom of obsessions found in people with OCD. I remember reading this (I cannot remember where) just last week.
A possibility is that you have OCD. If this is so, a trial of clomipromine or one of the SSRI's could releive your annoyance for you.
Good luck!
Posted by JayW on October 23, 2000, at 12:39:13
In reply to Re: can't stop the music-wondering how ya doin?, posted by Ian on September 8, 1999, at 5:55:09
I found this site by accident and although it doesn't appear to be used much I thought I'd give it a try. I have had tinnitus for 2 yrs now in the form of music. Mostly 50's & 60's rock & roll tunes but it could be show tunes or any other songs. I usually can change the melody by concentrating on another one. My research has revealed this to be merely another form of tinnitus, which can also be manifested in others by ringing, buzzing, roaring, hissing or any other sounds not caused by outside stimuli. I'm curious as to just how prevalent this phenomenon of music tinnitus is and what other's experiences have been with this affliction. Does anyone out there have any comments or whatever on this subject. Either post on this site or email me directly, please.
Posted by B Day on October 23, 2000, at 17:16:13
In reply to music tinnitus, posted by JayW on October 23, 2000, at 12:39:13
Are any of you who experience what appears to be music-related tinnitus heavily involved in some form of music endeavor such as composition, arrangement, instrumentation, critical listening / study or performance?
I ask this because for many years I was deeply involved in such ways with music as well as electronic synthesis, music concrete, natural sounds, etc. In those days music, or other aural phenomena played in my head much of the time. Some days it was nearly constant.
Particularly when I was involved with composition, I experienced the spontaneous composition and arrangements of music in my head complete with a fairly wide dynamic range. Although I didn't mind it so much and often enjoyed it, sometimes it was a bit maddening since I could never find the "OFF" switch easily.
I'm seldom so involved with music these days and haven't been for quite a few years. Over time those episodes of music and sounds have mostly disappeared although I do experience it occasionally. Most of the time now my head is full of other forms of racket.
I've recently started treatment for severe (reoccurring) depression. All indications so far seem to indicate that I'm most likely Bi Polar II or at least have some bipolar component with my depression.
I'm wondering if my hypomania during many of my periods of music involvement and creativity might have contributed to my experiencing a sort of internal Boom-Box. It seems to make sense to me.
B
Posted by Craig on October 24, 2000, at 1:36:01
In reply to music tinnitus, posted by JayW on October 23, 2000, at 12:39:13
A very long thread on this subject was begun by Stuuvert on 11/18/98. If it doesn't show up at the bottom of this page, begin at http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20000717/msgs/40797.html
> I found this site by accident and although it doesn't appear to be used much I thought I'd give it a try. I have had tinnitus for 2 yrs now in the form of music. Mostly 50's & 60's rock & roll tunes but it could be show tunes or any other songs. I usually can change the melody by concentrating on another one. My research has revealed this to be merely another form of tinnitus, which can also be manifested in others by ringing, buzzing, roaring, hissing or any other sounds not caused by outside stimuli. I'm curious as to just how prevalent this phenomenon of music tinnitus is and what other's experiences have been with this affliction. Does anyone out there have any comments or whatever on this subject. Either post on this site or email me directly, please.
Posted by stjames on October 24, 2000, at 2:19:22
In reply to Re: music tinnitus » JayW, posted by Craig on October 24, 2000, at 1:36:01
Just a thought, you might take this test "Indicators Suggestive of Subsyndromal Epilepsy"
On Dr. Bob's site at http://www.dr-bob.org/tips/isse.htmljames
Posted by B Day on October 24, 2000, at 12:38:34
In reply to Re: music tinnitus, posted by stjames on October 24, 2000, at 2:19:22
Well, I read this long, old thread in its entirety. I must say I was both touched and amazed by the experiences revealed there.
I was reminded of a recent conversation I had with a friend. He, a recovering alcoholic, having gotten his chemical dependency in hand, found himself faced with a new disorder. He shared with me how difficult it was for him to accept an additional diagnosis of Severe Depression Disorder. He thought...will it never end.
It seems that many on this board have also been faced with multiple disorders. I suspect many of you have wondered the same as my friend at times. I see a great deal of courage and solution-seeking here and I find it very moving. I am also beginning to relate with it.
I took the "Indicators Suggestive of Subsyndromal Epilepsy" quiz. I scored quite highly particularly in symptom classes one and three. I believe the possibility of such a condition is one that I need to bring up with my docs. I would seem that an EEG may well be in order.
For me, having gained understanding of my current and most debilitating condition (severe depression / hypomania) I think will help me to accept a second disorder more easily if need be.
I sense that many of you have developed (or are developing) a sort of "I just want to try to get to the bottom of things" determination. I'm getting something like too and I am grateful to be able to participate here with others facing challenges similar to my own. It looks like it is going to be a long journey.
This is a wonderful web site Dr. Bob.
B
Posted by steve on October 25, 2000, at 13:55:36
In reply to Re: can't stop the music, posted by Fred Davis on January 22, 2000, at 0:32:20
I have the same problem courtesy of mixing amitryptline with propoxyphene. It comes and goes, and naltrexone makes it much worse.
Posted by An^j^el on August 8, 2001, at 16:20:42
In reply to Re: can't stop the music, posted by steve on October 25, 2000, at 13:55:36
> I have the same problem courtesy of mixing amitryptline with propoxyphene. It comes and goes, and naltrexone makes it much worse.
Stu,
My name is Angel. I am a Therapist and work with people who have mental and psychological disorders... or so the doctors call them "chemical imabalances". My current client is diagnosed Bi-polar and has "auditory halucinations" similar to like the concerts you speak of. The docs have prescribed and altered and reexamed and reevaluated and represcribed and now the poor boy is tormented by the tug of war of the pharmaceudicals in his body. When I suggested that he approach this as a spiritual war, he was all ears!! These voices were telling him what to do and it wasn't pretty and they taunted in a sing song manner. He obsesses over them "laughing at" him and this angers him. He will perseverate over songs and the such and locks into verses of movies and plays them back over and over in his head. H is a 10 year old boy who is afraid to be alone in his house because this is when they talk to him the most. Unless it is just when he has nothing to distract him from them so they only seem more apparent. Anyhow I went into the house with him and we proclaimed, "I demand in the name of Christ you will no longer torment Brad!" At once Brad wrapped his arms around me and cried, "You saved me, Oh Jesus, You saved me" He still hears someone talking to him, however, and at times he will respond out loud... "What, what did you say, God?" as he looks up and to the corner of his mind. I ask him what God is saying to him and in a very non-chalant manner he snapping his wrist back tossing one hand to the side he answers me "Oh He tells me that He loves me".I hope this is some encouragement for you. God Bless You!! ^j^ Angel
Posted by Penelope on August 8, 2003, at 21:17:21
In reply to Re: can't stop the music, posted by An^j^el on August 8, 2001, at 16:20:42
So glad to find this board, but no posts in 2 years?! Please come back! I just started hearing music 4 weeks ago, and I only learned today that others have experienced this phenomenon. I first learned this today from an audiologist, and now I find this thread. Already feel better!
The audiologist says this is a form of tinnitus, and he has had success treating others with head phones that deliver *white noise*. I'm not quite ready for that--or for meds.
My concerts are not all that unpleasant, and they do not interfere with my thought processes. They are more like background music. I hear Christian music hymns mostly. Sometimes *American the Beautiful*. There is an organist, several brass instruments and singing voices. At first the voice was just a man with a very deep bass range. Beautiful. I can feel the vibrations from the bass notes. Sometimes he sings with other male voices and sometimes with a full choir. Some of the tunes I don't recall ever hearing, but most are very famililar traditional hymns--Softly and Tenderly, Amazing Grace, How Great Thou Art, What a Friend We Have in Jesus. They also do America the Beautiful every now and then. They also frequently play what I have come to think of as their theme piece--a lively tune, almost playful--played only by a low range horn of some sort (maybe a baritone horn?), a trumpet and the choir humming and making nonsense verbalizations, almost like scat singing in jazz. They play several variations on this theme, all very beautiful. The trumpet can play in a very high register with perfect control. I don't know if real trumpet players can really do this.
But.....sometimes they get stuck on certain notes or phrases like a broken record. This is very irritating. I can sort of tune them out when they do this.
These are not sounds coming from my head. I am certain I am HEARING them. The music is faint--as if wafting from a neighbor's house or a nearby church. In fact, when this first started I asked my neighbors if they had bought an organ or were playing a lot of church music on their music system or perhaps an electronic keyboard. (They said no.) But my grown son who lives with me could not hear anything of what I was hearing, and then I started hearing it at work, and I knew I had a problem. Now I hear it everywhere, almost without cessation.
I have been taking Amitriptyline for several years(25mg/day)for neuro pain associated with cervical spondylosis. About six months ago I started occasionally taking Phentermine (30mg/day)to offset the sleepiness and confusion the Amitrip seemed to be causing. The combo has worked very well, but now I am wondering if either of these drugs or the combination of the two could be causing this auditory thing. I have also been under terrible stress--many life changes and bereavements of late.
Please, any response is welcome. Meanwhile, I will count as a blessing that I am not hearing Connie Francis!!
Posted by Craig Allen on August 9, 2003, at 11:19:55
In reply to Re: can't stop the music, posted by Penelope on August 8, 2003, at 21:17:21
i hear music constantly. like a loop playing over and over of whatever song happens to be in my head. it is playing about 95% of the time when i'm awake. i don't have any OCD symptoms, that i'm aware of anyway. i do have an ugly case of atypical, treatment resistant depression however.
Posted by Kacy on August 10, 2003, at 12:47:01
In reply to Re: can't stop the music, posted by Craig Allen on August 9, 2003, at 11:19:55
I hear music sometimes. The songs are old. Most of them are pop songs from my early teens or pre-teens. I don't hear this that often and it never lasts a whole day.
I hear them most often when the heater or air conditioner switch on or when I vacuum. When the sound of the blowers turns off, the song is often gone. When the blowers turn back on, the same song comes back. I have heard them, too, when they were not triggered by blowers.
I don't hear the whole song. I have tried finishing the song in my head to end it, but I never know enough of the song to do it. I don't know if it would work, anyway.
I have also heard my mother call my name with a vacuum cleaner on. It's the way she yelled for me when I was in junior high school. I might hear it repeatedly until I turn the vacuum off.
Posted by Penelope on August 10, 2003, at 18:05:36
In reply to Re: can't stop the music, posted by Craig Allen on August 9, 2003, at 11:19:55
Craig and Kacy,
Thank-you for your responses. I'm very interested in hearing the experiences of others. Maybe we can reduce this all to some common demonimators. I see that many of the earlier posters on this subject mention they are also suffering from depression. Also many have mentioned they are taking meds for this or other complaints. Craig, are you taking any meds? Kacy, are you? And Kacy, you didn't mention depression. In your case is this a factor?
Craig, I know what you mean by a *loop*. My musicians frequently get stuck in a loop--a single song or just a refrain from a song that plays over and over and over sometimes for hours. Interestingly, however, this morning they were stuck in a loop from the hymn *Softly and Tenderly*, but they started taking off on it--like a jazz improvisation. They also added instruments and did rearrangements. As each loop repeated it got quite complex and very beautiful. I found myself just sitting and listening to it. I wondered what a church congregation would think to hear their beloved hymn being operated on to sound like a jazz jam session! Also they have added a piccolo to *America the Beautiful*, and it is delightful: a complex running part that plays and trills behind the melody throughout the song. These interludes of creativity are rare, however. Most of the music I hear is repetitive and boring. I find myself wishing they would just add to their repertoir.
Kacy, I was intrigued by your electrical equipment connection. When I first started hearing music I was at my PC, which is in a room that els with my kitchen. In this room is an extra refrigerator--an old one that makes quite a lot of noise. I am in the process of moving, and the only thing left in that room at that time was my PC workstation and that fridge. Also, the TV in the kitchen, which was almost always on, has been moved, so it is unusually quiet in that part of the house. I noticed that some of the humming that is done by the singers in my group seemed to resonate with the hum of that fridge. I have now cleaned out and disconnected the fridge, but it hasn't stopped the music. I have a vague notion, however, that somehow a combination of the almost empty house, the absent TV sounds, the hum of the fridge and the relative quiet when I am at my PC compared to the sensory input that was always there before have somehow triggered the music.
Another thought on the electrical theme: Many years ago I was keeping a parrot named Scratch for some friends who took an extended vacation in Alaska. They told me he used to talk quite a lot, but since they had their first child--who was then six--he had not talked at all.
One day while I was vacuuming in a room next to the room where Scratch resided, I could hear a hoarse voice speaking some words. I would turn the vacuum cleaner off, and the voice would abruptly stop. I would restart it, and the voice would resume. I finally made a connnection with the bird, so I left the vacuum on and went into the room where he was. Surely enough, Scratch was speaking. As the days went on, he continued to talk but only when the vacuum cleaner was on. But he was speaking more clearly now and putting words into phrases, and I started writing them down. When my friends called to tell me their return travel plans, I read them the list I had made. They were utterly amazed--they were all phrases Scratch had spoken in the past. By the time they got home, he had also learned some new ones from us and could mimic my voice and my husband's, and he started speaking spontaneously, without the assistance of the vacuum. I offer all this as an aside for whomever might be able to make sense of it. Something about the pitch of the vacuum cleaner inspired Scratch to remember and articulate his former vocabulary and even enabled him to learn new stuff. Also, parrots typically have a limited repertoir of phrases that they repeat endlessly and meaninglessly. Hmmmmm.... Have our tormented brains turned us into parrot heads?
Posted by Penelope on August 10, 2003, at 19:27:08
In reply to Re: can't stop the music, posted by Penelope on August 10, 2003, at 18:05:36
Paranormal?
I don't see that anyone in this thread has speculated about the paranormal aspects of this *affliction*, but it was actually my first thought. Hearing music that no one else hears really sounds schizo to me, and I was unable to believe I had departed that far from reality, mental and spiritual depression notwithstanding. The only other explanation seemed to be that I was being visited by a spirit or that I had somehow accidentally tuned into another plane. With that thought in mind, I offer you another aside, FWIW.
I had a very dear friend, Wayne. He and his wife Virginia and my husband and I were very close along with another friend, Harold. My husband died in April 2000. Harold died about a year later in April 2001. Virginia died a year after that, in April 2002. Wayne and I, being the only survivors of our group, became especially close through all this, and in fact he moved into the guest apartment behind my house after his wife died. There was never a romantic connection, but we were about as close as two fraternal friends can be. Wayne died suddenly and unexpectedly on Jan. 12 of this year. He died in the apartment behind my house, apparently a heart attack.
Wayne had an electric organ/keyboard in this apartment, and the only type of music he ever played was church music. Nothing fancy, just a few chords, and he would sometimes sing along with it. He was very active in the music program at his church, singing in the choir and sometimes performing solos, and he frequently attended gospel music concerts, sometimes driving as far as 350 miles away to hear a group he especially loved. I did not particularly share his attraction to this type of music, although I, too, used to sing in the choir (different church), and I never went with him. Since I play the piano, he wanted me to share the organ with him, and he at one time put it in my living room, but I later insisted he take it to his apartment since I never played it.
We have some other friends who knew us all, and on hearing of my recent auditory affliction have decided that Wayne is attempting to contact me through his favorite medium--Christian church music. It is notable that Wayne had a very deep pitched singing voice--similar to the singer I am hearing, but Wayne's voice was not quite so low and not quite so professional.
So....one could put a paranormal twist on all this, but then a psychiatrist could have a hey day with it, too, huh?
BTW: My own husband, whom I adored and miss terribly, had little interest in church and even less in church music. I also miss Wayne terribly. I didn't realize while he was alive how much his friendship and help was supporting me in my bereavement from my husband. I now am very ..... unsupported.
Posted by Kacy on August 11, 2003, at 12:43:52
In reply to Re: can't stop the music, posted by Penelope on August 10, 2003, at 19:27:08
Penelope: I'm sorry for all your losses. That's a lot to handle, especially by yourself.
I really can't be sure of when I first heard music. For all I can remember, I first heard it in my twenties. Certainly depression started at least by then, although I didn't get treatment for a long, long time. I never conceived of it.
I started Effexor about two years ago. I am Adhd. Problems caused by that are probably the root of the depression. I have taken Strattera since March. I took Ritalin for nine months before then.I can't remember hearing the music since I started Strattera, but that is not unusual. It comes and goes. I have heard it since I began Effexor.
Maybe your creative and musically-educated mind is adding to the music. Just the way you describe music shows that you know a lot about it. Maybe that's a natural way for people like yourself and for musicians to go.
I'm not musical and I don't add anything to it. I don't hear it like I'm listening to a great sound system, either. It's not that clear. Not surprisingly, it's about the quality of the radios of my youth.
Posted by Penelope on August 11, 2003, at 18:08:53
In reply to Re: can't stop the music, posted by Kacy on August 11, 2003, at 12:43:52
I was trying to learn something about ear anatomy today and found this intriguing passage, which I must share with all of you:
<Our ability to discriminate two close frequencies is actually much better than one would predict just from the mechanics of the basilar membrane. One theory to explain the mystery is that the outer hair cells help to "sharpen the tuning". Outer hair cells can actually move (change length) in response to nerve stimulation. If they could push the basilar membrane up and down, they could amplify or damp vibrations at will, making the inner hair cells more or less responsive. (Just like you can push a child higher and higher on a swing or bring her to a halt - it's all in when you push.) An interesting philosophical question here is, if the outer hair cells can move the basilar membrane, can that in turn move the oval window? And the stapes? And the eardrum? Can the ear, in fact, work in reverse and become a speaker? You may laugh, but there has been at least one case in the history of medicine of a patient complaining of persistent whispering in her ear. She was dismissed as crazy, until one obliging doctor finally put his stethoscope to her ear and listened. He could hear the whispering too. You can draw your own moral from this story.
However, most cases of tinnitus (a persistent ringing, whistling, or roaring in the ears) are not audible to the examiner. Little is known about the phenomenon, which is unfortunate because it can be very distressing to the sufferer.>Funny that I found this today. Last night I was thinking: If this really is coming from my mind, then I must draw the seemingly nonsensical conclusion that I must be broadcasting as well as receiving, because I am totally convinced that I HEAR this music. It isn't something going through my mind like OCD's experience. It has direction, and I can feel the vibration of the bass notes, and I get goose bumps when the trumpet hits those high notes. I think that trumpet could shatter a crystal glass if I could turn the volume up. Also, I can completely cover it up with anything that is louder than *it* is, and *it* is not loud at all. Right now I have a Net radio station on, and I can only hear *it* in the brief moments between selections. If this were truly just a thought process, would it not intrude my mind even with other music playing?
Something else I haven't mentioned: I can sing along with it. I can sing counter to the melody and HEAR both parts as I sing. And usually my tempo is a little too slow, and they get ahead of me and I can HEAR that I am lagging and know when to step it up. I'm not much of a scientist, but this seems to prove to me that I really am...........HEARING it.
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