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Posted by Bradley on August 22, 2000, at 22:38:12
I suffer from an atypical depression(oversleep,eat more
,increase in libido,ect.. Parnate has worked repeatedly
but it quits after 3 months. For many years Ive tried other meds here and from other countries without success. After 8 months of failure I try parnate again
and it emediately helps then quits after 3 months.
This year I have been more diligent at keeping my sleeping hours quite close to 10 pm to 4:30 am and I am doing well. Long ago I determined my form of depression is a problem with my circadian rythmn. Unfortunately it is not well understood at this time.
In the not to distant future I believe it will be and
proper treatment will be available. For now, I hope keeping my sleep schedule will help me from crashing
into depression. Anyone have a similar experience?
By the way I have found a simple wake up technique that works for me, where in the past three alarm clocks did'nt.
Posted by J. R. on August 23, 2000, at 12:16:43
In reply to Strict sleep schedule has kept depression at bay, posted by Bradley on August 22, 2000, at 22:38:12
> I suffer from an atypical depression(oversleep,eat more
> ,increase in libido,ect.. Parnate has worked repeatedly
> but it quits after 3 months. For many years Ive tried other meds here and from other countries without success. After 8 months of failure I try parnate again
> and it emediately helps then quits after 3 months.
> This year I have been more diligent at keeping my sleeping hours quite close to 10 pm to 4:30 am and I am doing well. Long ago I determined my form of depression is a problem with my circadian rythmn. Unfortunately it is not well understood at this time.
> In the not to distant future I believe it will be and
> proper treatment will be available. For now, I hope keeping my sleep schedule will help me from crashing
> into depression. Anyone have a similar experience?
> By the way I have found a simple wake up technique that works for me, where in the past three alarm clocks did'nt.Don't keep us in suspense! What's your wake-up technique?
Posted by KarenB on August 23, 2000, at 15:13:35
In reply to Strict sleep schedule has kept depression at bay, posted by Bradley on August 22, 2000, at 22:38:12
Bradley,
How have you come to believe your depression is caused by disruption of circadian rythyms?
Karen
Posted by Bradley on August 23, 2000, at 18:49:00
In reply to Re: depression at bay » Bradley, posted by KarenB on August 23, 2000, at 15:13:35
JR a little suspense can be good. Well the simple method I use is to drink a considerable quantity of agua. Works for me. Karen, my depression has plagued me for 25 years approx.,maybe longer. Over this time I have read volumns of research papers, talked to researchers around the country, been in a few studies, and added all that to my own symptoms and experiences with depression. I conclude that my form of depression and many other disorders are endocrine based. This idea is'nt novel, unfortunatly the endocrine systom is quite complex as you may know. Every few months I read of new hormonal proteins discovered. Allmost all of these and the numerous ones allready identified do not stay at a constant level throughout the day, ie.,the circadian rythmn. 50 years ago or more, it was generally understood the mood swings involved were hormonally based,but exacltly how and which hormones are responsible are still not understood.(PMS,ect.)
I am really amazed how little is known about our endocrine system. One can only hope.
Posted by noa on August 24, 2000, at 10:51:53
In reply to Re: To JR and Karen, posted by Bradley on August 23, 2000, at 18:49:00
For me, getting a handle on the endocrine problems seems to be key in managing my depression. I didn't start to feel better until my hypothyroidism was adequately addressed.
Posted by JaneST on August 24, 2000, at 12:13:04
In reply to Re: To JR and Karen, posted by Bradley on August 23, 2000, at 18:49:00
> JR a little suspense can be good. Well the simple method I use is to drink a considerable quantity of agua. Works for me. Karen, my depression has plagued me for 25 years approx.,maybe longer. Over this time I have read volumns of research papers, talked to researchers around the country, been in a few studies, and added all that to my own symptoms and experiences with depression. I conclude that my form of depression and many other disorders are endocrine based. This idea is'nt novel, unfortunatly the endocrine systom is quite complex as you may know. Every few months I read of new hormonal proteins discovered. Allmost all of these and the numerous ones allready identified do not stay at a constant level throughout the day, ie.,the circadian rythmn. 50 years ago or more, it was generally understood the mood swings involved were hormonally based,but exacltly how and which hormones are responsible are still not understood.(PMS,ect.)
> I am really amazed how little is known about our endocrine system. One can only hope.
Bradley:As one who still is using 3 alarm clocks...I have to ask: What is agua??? And where can I get it??
Jane
Posted by J. R. on August 24, 2000, at 13:25:39
In reply to Re: To JR and Karen » Bradley, posted by JaneST on August 24, 2000, at 12:13:04
> Bradley:
>
> As one who still is using 3 alarm clocks...I have to ask: What is agua??? And where can I get it??
>
> JaneAgua means water in espanol!
Posted by JaneST on August 24, 2000, at 14:06:13
In reply to Re: To JR and Karen, posted by J. R. on August 24, 2000, at 13:25:39
> > Bradley:
> >
> > As one who still is using 3 alarm clocks...I have to ask: What is agua??? And where can I get it??
> >
> > Jane
>
> Agua means water in espanol!DUHHHHH... I can't believe I said that! I guess I was looking for some other miracle drug!
Merci,
Jane
Posted by shar on August 24, 2000, at 15:23:00
In reply to Re: To JR , posted by JaneST on August 24, 2000, at 14:06:13
Jane,
An honest mistake! If you said water in French I wouldn't know what it was! Or latin, probably.
Shar
> > > Bradley:
> > >
> > > As one who still is using 3 alarm clocks...I have to ask: What is agua??? And where can I get it??
> > >
> > > Jane
> >
> > Agua means water in espanol!
>
> DUHHHHH... I can't believe I said that! I guess I was looking for some other miracle drug!
>
> Merci,
> Jane
Posted by JaneST on August 24, 2000, at 19:38:42
In reply to Re: To JR » JaneST, posted by shar on August 24, 2000, at 15:23:00
Shar:
Thanks, my face is not quite as red now!
Love,
Jane
> Jane,
> An honest mistake! If you said water in French I wouldn't know what it was! Or latin, probably.
> Shar
>
>
> > > > Bradley:
> > > >
> > > > As one who still is using 3 alarm clocks...I have to ask: What is agua??? And where can I get it??
> > > >
> > > > Jane
> > >
> > > Agua means water in espanol!
> >
> > DUHHHHH... I can't believe I said that! I guess I was looking for some other miracle drug!
> >
> > Merci,
> > Jane
Posted by noa on August 27, 2000, at 13:50:41
In reply to Re: To JR » shar, posted by JaneST on August 24, 2000, at 19:38:42
I don't think it would be sufficient on its own to treat my depression, but I do find that I feel so much better when I get enough sleep. I am trying to keep a consistent schedule, which means going to bed early, which is sometimes hard to accomplish.
Posted by Bradley on August 27, 2000, at 15:24:28
In reply to Re: Regular Sleep Routine, posted by noa on August 27, 2000, at 13:50:41
I hear ya. I can't say I am at my potential, but I am doing ok. Until more is understood and treatments are available for my endocrine disorder,I am encouraged to have somewhat stabalized.
Posted by noa on August 29, 2000, at 15:14:19
In reply to Re: Regular Sleep Routine, posted by Bradley on August 27, 2000, at 15:24:28
I'm off my rhythm right now. It is a transition period. I am not getting myself to sleep early enough, and am feeling the results. Plus, with summer vacation driving, I got myself hooked on caffeine again (I knew it would happen) and haven't started a systematic weaning process yet.
On top of this, the other day, I forgot to take my effexor xr. I discovered this at around 9 pm. So, I decided to take it then. It was ok the first night. So, I thought I would experiment with taking it at night all the time. BUT, after a few days, I started having the restless, agitated fidgety initial insomnia as well as waking up in the middle of the night too restless and fidgety to sleep. So, I took one 150 pill this morning and will be back on regular morning dosing of the 300 tomorrow.
Hopefully, I will get my sleep back on track within the next week or so. It really makes a noticeable difference for me.
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