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Posted by Caz on February 12, 2000, at 8:47:35
In reply to Re: Musical Hallucinations, posted by alcibiades on February 12, 2000, at 5:58:40
> Thanks, Lou. Throughout most of my life I have experienced music playing in my head. It's like a steady stream, a constant, a background radio station or soundtrack. At times almost deafening, not in "volume," but in intensity and persistance, especially given the fact that I cannot make it stop. I didn't realize this is categorically an hallucination. I just thought I was "musical." I'll bring it up with my psych.
I didn't expect to find this here!
Almost all my life I have had songs get stuck in my head. I usually overcome it by playing the radio or a CD - or sometimes I just listen to my head. I call it my life's soundtrack and the songs usually relate to my feelings on a subconcious level. BUT every now and then one gets stuck, it's like I only know a few bars and it drives me crazy never going beyond them so I have to track down that piece of music and play it over and over until I can hear it all the way through in my head. I've spent hundreds of dollars on phone calls tracking down and ordering a particular CD....
Does that sound manic?
Wow that's some food for thought.Caz
Posted by Sef on February 12, 2000, at 10:09:30
In reply to Re: Musical Hallucinations - whoa!!, posted by Caz on February 12, 2000, at 8:47:35
Sometimes I hear my Mom or My spouse calling me when they are not, and sometimes they are not even in the house. I also often smell something burning and no one else can smell it. Are these hallucinations?
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 12, 2000, at 11:20:06
In reply to Re: Musical Hallucinations -QUESTION, posted by Lou Pilder on February 12, 2000, at 10:56:05
> > Sometimes I hear my Mom or My spouse calling me when they are not, and sometimes they are not even in the house. I also often smell something burning and no one else can smell it. Are these hallucinations?
> The liturarure describes your experiances as hallucinations. Hoowever, most people experiance "someone calling their name " and unless there are other hallucinations then it is not a problem. Olfactory hallucinations are described in the liturature. Do you "hear " colors?
> Lou
Posted by Noa on February 12, 2000, at 16:12:10
In reply to Re: Musical Hallucinations -QUESTION, posted by Lou Pilder on February 12, 2000, at 11:20:06
have you guys seen neurologists?
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 12, 2000, at 16:19:39
In reply to Re: Musical Hallucinations -QUESTION, posted by Noa on February 12, 2000, at 16:12:10
> have you guys seen neurologists? I have seen one of the formost neurologists in th country. I have had all the tests and nothing shows including an MRI. Needless to say, but this is in the crossroads of Neurology , Psychiatry and Audiology.I have seen all three and they all say that there is no proven treatment.But that was 3 years ago. Does anyone know of anything at this time? Lou Pilder
Posted by Sef on February 12, 2000, at 17:44:19
In reply to Re: Musical Hallucinations -QUESTION, posted by Lou Pilder on February 12, 2000, at 11:20:06
Hear colors??????? What on earth... no I don't think so. Your response made me laugh Lou, but seriously, do people really "hear colors"? What exactly does that mean? Sounds very intereting.
I also thought of people who have tinnitus. Maybe if there was something that worked for them would work for you (if there is anything).
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 12, 2000, at 17:55:29
In reply to Re: Musical COLORS????, posted by Sef on February 12, 2000, at 17:44:19
> Hear colors??????? What on earth... no I don't think so. Your response made me laugh Lou, but seriously, do people really "hear colors"? What exactly does that mean? Sounds very intereting.
> I also thought of people who have tinnitus. Maybe if there was something that worked for them would work for you (if there is anything).I was refeering to a rare phanominum where the senses are interchanged. I have never met a person with this and I thought ,perhaps, that there could be a link between that and MH's. If anyone out there has that, please let me know for I thought that the person with olfactory hallucinations could also have the other. Also, tinnatus management does not help with my condition. The music rises above any technique that a tinnatus sufferer uses.I also tried hearing aids. If you know anything else, please respond. I must have the music to stop
Lou Pilder
Posted by alcibiades on February 13, 2000, at 12:48:18
In reply to Re: Musical Hallucinations -QUESTION, posted by Noa on February 12, 2000, at 16:12:10
> have you guys seen neurologists?
al here ...
Should I see one? What are some possible etiologies?
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 13, 2000, at 13:19:46
In reply to Re: Musical Hallucinations -QUESTION, posted by alcibiades on February 13, 2000, at 12:48:18
> > have you guys seen neurologists?
>
> al here ...
>
> Should I see one? What are some possible etiologies?
Tumor on brain--need an MRI for this.
Tempoal lobe epilepsy--need a neurologist for this
Ear mechinism disease--Need an Audiologist and a ear specialist for this
Other problems
Lou Pilder
Posted by Noa on February 13, 2000, at 13:20:57
In reply to Re: Musical Hallucinations -QUESTION, posted by alcibiades on February 13, 2000, at 12:48:18
Well, there has been the thought bandied about that hearing music is related to a form of siezure disorder. I don't have any references, sorry. See earlier threads on this topic.
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 13, 2000, at 14:02:24
In reply to Re: Musical Hallucinations -QUESTION, posted by Lou Pilder on February 13, 2000, at 13:19:46
> > > have you guys seen neurologists?
> >
> > al here ...
> >
> > Should I see one? What are some possible etiologies?
> Tumor on brain--need an MRI for this.
> Tempoal lobe epilepsy--need a neurologist for this
> Ear mechinism disease--Need an Audiologist and a ear specialist for this
> Other problems
> Lou Pilder
There are references to vitamin and mineral defitiancies that can cause MH's Lou
Posted by Blue Cheer on February 15, 2000, at 18:40:37
In reply to Re: Musical COLORS????, posted by Lou Pilder on February 12, 2000, at 17:55:29
> > Hear colors??????? What on earth... no I don't think so. Your response made me laugh Lou, but seriously, do people really "hear colors"? What exactly does that mean? Sounds very intereting.
> > I also thought of people who have tinnitus. Maybe if there was something that worked for them would work for you (if there is anything).
>
> I was refeering to a rare phanominum where the senses are interchanged. I have never met a person with this and I thought ,perhaps, that there could be a link between that and MH's. If anyone out there has that, please let me know for I thought that the person with olfactory hallucinations could also have the other. Also, tinnatus management does not help with my condition. The music rises above any technique that a tinnatus sufferer uses.I also tried hearing aids. If you know anything else, please respond. I must have the music to stop
> Lou Pilder
"Synesthesia" or merging of the senses is a common phenomenon in psychedelic use. I "saw" sounds and "heard" colors while tripping on Orange Sunshine (LSD 250 mcg.) in the late 60's. I enjoyed it, but once I had to use chloral hydrate after it went on for almost 24 hours. ~~ Blue
Posted by Janet from Brazil on February 16, 2000, at 10:34:04
In reply to Re: Musical COLORS????, posted by Blue Cheer on February 15, 2000, at 18:40:37
> > > Hear colors??????? What on earth... no I don't think so. Your response made me laugh Lou, but seriously, do people really "hear colors"? What exactly does that mean? Sounds very intereting.
> > > I also thought of people who have tinnitus. Maybe if there was something that worked for them would work for you (if there is anything).
> >
> > I was refeering to a rare phanominum where the senses are interchanged. I have never met a person with this and I thought ,perhaps, that there could be a link between that and MH's. If anyone out there has that, please let me know for I thought that the person with olfactory hallucinations could also have the other. Also, tinnatus management does not help with my condition. The music rises above any technique that a tinnatus sufferer uses.I also tried hearing aids. If you know anything else, please respond. I must have the music to stop
> > Lou Pilder
>
>
> "Synesthesia" or merging of the senses is a common phenomenon in psychedelic use. I "saw" sounds and "heard" colors while tripping on Orange Sunshine (LSD 250 mcg.) in the late 60's. I enjoyed it, but once I had to use chloral hydrate after it went on for almost 24 hours. ~~ BlueIn, I believe Oliver Sacks book, the Man who mistook his wife for a Hat, he describes the case of an elderly lady who after a stroke, heard music from her Irish childhood playing continuously inside her head. It's a fascinating book. Jan
Posted by sadness lifting on February 17, 2000, at 13:53:25
In reply to Re: Musical COLORS????, posted by Janet from Brazil on February 16, 2000, at 10:34:04
have u ever thought of taking an atypical antipsycotic for your musical hallucinations? ask your doc about zyprexa; it has been heplful in removing hallucinations for me.
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Posted by k2 on August 16, 2003, at 23:33:26
In reply to Musical Hallucinations, posted by Lou Pilder on February 11, 2000, at 7:28:28
My family members have found relief with Neurontin, an anti-seizure medication. Tested negative for seizures, but the neurontin works great when the music got to be so much of a nuisance that it was disturbing the quality of life. An SSRI was also being used simultaneously, but did not make the music quiet down when used alone.
Posted by misk on October 31, 2003, at 15:57:02
In reply to Re: Musical Hallucinations, posted by k2 on August 16, 2003, at 23:33:26
ANY THOUGHTS? sudden onset, continuous,non-drug-related,non-psychotic musical/garbled voices/other sounds hallucinations. neurology continues to monitor but MRI and EEG do not show cause.
neurontin halfway helpful.
43yrs old now.
noises x4yrs, with some up&down deafness.
music is continuous,usually garbled,1st 6wks was elaborate never-heard-before beautiful&intrically orchestrated. varies now. several different noises at same time, spacially inside of head.
painfully loud, drowns out what hearing i have on the outside.
also hear dogs bark,tickertape machines,etc, voices garbled unintelligable.
ruled out ENT{NO physical EAR SITE cause for mostly continuous but not always deafness}, immune/bacterial, meningitis,or psychiatric.
hx headaches, cyclical neutropenia{mostly remission x6yrs}.
trouble writing,remembering words &trouble speaking remembered words also.
> My family members have found relief with Neurontin, an anti-seizure medication. Tested negative for seizures, but the neurontin works great when the music got to be so much of a nuisance that it was disturbing the quality of life. An SSRI was also being used simultaneously, but did not make the music quiet down when used alone.
Posted by misk on October 31, 2003, at 20:06:16
In reply to Re: Musical Hallucinations, posted by k2 on August 16, 2003, at 23:33:26
ANY THOUGHTS? sudden onset, continuous,non-drug-related,non-psychotic musical/garbled voices/other sounds hallucinations. neurology continues to monitor but MRI and EEG do not show cause.
neurontin halfway helpful.
43yrs old now.
noises x4yrs, with some up&down deafness.
music is continuous,usually garbled,1st 6wks was elaborate never-heard-before beautiful&intrically orchestrated. varies now. several different noises at same time, spacially inside of head.
painfully loud, drowns out what hearing i have on the outside.
also hear dogs bark,tickertape machines,etc, voices garbled unintelligable.
ruled out ENT{NO physical EAR SITE cause for mostly continuous but not always deafness}, immune/bacterial, meningitis,or psychiatric.
hx headaches, cyclical neutropenia{mostly remission x6yrs}.
trouble writing,remembering words &trouble speaking remembered words also.
> My family members have found relief with Neurontin, an anti-seizure medication. Tested negative for seizures, but the neurontin works great when the music got to be so much of a nuisance that it was disturbing the quality of life. An SSRI was also being used simultaneously, but did not make the music quiet down when used alone.
Posted by misk on October 31, 2003, at 20:27:28
In reply to Re: Musical COLORS????, posted by Sef on February 12, 2000, at 17:44:19
>{hope i am doing this right} there are meds for tinnititus. those type of meds didn't work for me for musical{or other pronounced/specific auditory} hallucinations. {you probably know tinnitius is usually characterized by buzzing, throbbing, or ringing in the ears} how'd i do?> Hear colors??????? What on earth... no I don't think so. Your response made me laugh Lou, but seriously, do people really "hear colors"? What exactly does that mean? Sounds very intereting.
> I also thought of people who have tinnitus. Maybe if there was something that worked for them would work for you (if there is anything).
Posted by EscherDementian on November 1, 2003, at 4:23:30
In reply to Musical Hallucinations, posted by Lou Pilder on February 11, 2000, at 7:28:28
Lou,
Just tonight i happened to send this article (below) to a friend with same complaint. Don't know if it will help you, but i surely understand your maddening frustration. At the least, i hope it brings a chuckle.Also~ i am one who hears colors/sees musical notes. i also 'hear' instrumental compositions visually. (Have since childhood.) But both senses are present simultaneously. Sometimes will see the music a moment before i hear it, and only once heard the color (blue) before i saw it. When a person says their own name, i see a lettering style (font), always unique and with texture. Often with a color also. And i've noticed a difference between what (spoken) sentences look like that are true, from lies. But all that's another post, when i have more time, if you're still interested. (I've got to go right now~~)
Here's that article:
According to University of Cincinnati marketing professor James Kellaris,
The Top 3 Songs That Get Stuck In Your Head are:
# "The Lion Sleeps Tonight"
# "Baby Back Ribs" jingle from Chili's Restaurant
# "Who Let the Dogs Out?"Kellaris calls it the playlist from hell. But that the real #1 song that gets stuck in our heads is different for each of us.(duh!) Kellaris has done so much research on this odd and annoying phenomenon that he's coined a term for it: "Earworm".
He told The Associated Press that Earworm is insidious; it might be the first song you hear on the clock radio that wakes you up, it could come from out of your distant childhood or teen years, could come from an elevator or the CD playing in the cubicle next to yours. "There are certain tunes that we would describe as catchy that are more likely to become one, but just about anything can become an Earworm," he told AP. His personal Earworm is Byzantine chants, which he suspects has something to do with his wife's job as a church choir director.
Stuck songs have these traits in common:
* They are relatively simple.
* They are repetitive.
* They contain an element that surprises the listener, such as an interrupted pattern or something that violates expectations of what comes next.
* The most common culprits are songs with lyrics.
* They stay stuck in our heads for a few hours on average, and can "hang around" for a couple days.There is no cure, but these treatments sometimes will work to rid your brain of the repetitive Earworm:
* Don't worry about it. (Take this advice, but DON'T think of Bobby McFerrin's "Don't Worry, Be Happy") ;-)
* Listen to different music.
* Try singing the entire song--and not just the snippet that's stuck in your head--even if you can't quite remember all the lyrics.
* If that doesn't work, go find the forgotten lyrics. Kellaris theorizes that Earworm is the brain's attempt to resolve missing information. By finding out the complete lyrics to a song, you might be able to "unstick" it.
* Erase the offending song by singing the theme from "Gilligan's Island." (LOL)
* Erase "Gilligan's Island" with another song that you like better.
* There's a folklore cure: Chew on cinnamon sticks. (Loudly, i'd imagine)(...My own personal solution that works 100% every time, has been to "give" the song to somebody else. Get it stuck in THEIR head. Preferably someone you're close enough with to hear them hum it and then groan "Aaargh!" when they realize they've "got it" in their head now. By the time we're done laughing, i'll notice it's no longer stuck in mine. My sister and husband have begun to do the same to ME, and it works for them, too. Aaargh!)
Kellaris' More Facts about Earworm:
* Women experience more irritation and frustration than men do from Earworms.
* People who are constantly exposed to music suffer from it more frequently.
* There may be a connection between Earworms and a person's level of neurosis. (Uh oh.)The research was presented at the Society for Consumer Psychology.
alright everyone sing along:
"WHAT'S NEW, Pussycat...Whoah whoah whoa-ho.."
;-)
(....sorry!)
Posted by EscherDementian on November 1, 2003, at 4:31:35
In reply to Songs That Get Stuck In Your Head » Lou Pilder, posted by EscherDementian on November 1, 2003, at 4:23:30
Posted by stjames on November 1, 2003, at 12:55:36
In reply to Re: Musical COLORS????, posted by misk on October 31, 2003, at 20:27:28
You are describing some of the features of
sub clinical epilepsy or sezure disorder.Try this test from Dr Bobs site & take a look
at the footnotes at the end:Indicators Suggestive of Subsyndromal Epilepsy
http://www.dr-bob.org/tips/isse.htmlgenerally this is the relm of the neurologist,
seek them for a work up and possible treatment.
There used to be some posters here with this, they do not post here anymore.
Posted by misk on November 1, 2003, at 17:41:35
In reply to Subsyndromal Epilepsy, posted by stjames on November 1, 2003, at 12:55:36
>stjames - much appreciate your post.
'll pass along the test&info to my neurologist. this' ruining my life.
take care yourself - misk<
> You are describing some of the features of sub clinical epilepsy or sezure disorder. Try this test - -
Posted by misk on November 1, 2003, at 18:06:12
In reply to Re: Musical COLORS????, posted by Lou Pilder on February 12, 2000, at 17:55:29
>have you found relief?hope so.
been 4yrs for me.my neuro md thinks a brain injury, internal,a guess becz tests don't show anything.says nerve cells/synapses/tissue should repair themselves partially &SOME hearing restoration,takes 4-6yrs tho. meantime,treat palliatively{relieve symptoms}.
the sub-something atypical epilesy posting here might be useful,i don't know.
hope you had better luck than me so far. take care - misk<> If you know anything else, please respond. I must have the music to stop
> Lou Pilder
Posted by stjames on November 1, 2003, at 18:34:50
In reply to Re: the noise must stop » Lou Pilder, posted by misk on November 1, 2003, at 18:06:12
Lou was banned for a year. You might be able to find
his e-mail address off his posts.
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