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Posted by europerep on September 21, 2010, at 12:46:21
In reply to Lou's request-Anna, posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 6:19:42
> Friends,
> If anyone ells you anything that could lead to to think of taking a combination of drugs that the liturasture states has the potential to be lethal, I am requesting that you read the following article.
> Lou
> You can see this article by:
> A. bring up google
> B/ Type in:
> [Officials:Smith's death caused by overdose]it is worth noting that both heath ledger's and anna nicole smith's death have been caused by drug cocktails not limited to, but including, opioids, drugs which are notorious for involuntary overdoses due to their potent respiratory depression.
one cannot put all drug combos that are listed as "dangerous" (and even dangerous is a continuum) into a single box and label it something. it is always a case-by-case issue, and any categorical ruling out of stuff that's "forbidden" according to (some) literature is counter-productive. it's like with illegal drugs: don't do it, unless you know exactly what you are doing! only that here, the aim is not supplemental pleasure, but finding a working treatment for a serious, life-threatenings disease.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 14:07:38
In reply to Lou's request-crimneg, posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 9:06:52
Friends,
If anyone tries to lead you to believe that taking multiple drugs that are contraindicated could not kill you, I am requesting that you read thr following.
Lou
http://oldies.about.com/od/elvisdeathfaq/f/elvisdeath.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efL17ekQZ5k
Posted by europerep on September 21, 2010, at 14:47:54
In reply to Lou's request-hrtbraykhoetell, posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 14:07:38
> Friends,
> If anyone tries to lead you to believe that taking multiple drugs that are contraindicated could not kill you, I am requesting that you read thr following.
> Lou
> http://oldies.about.com/od/elvisdeathfaq/f/elvisdeath.htm
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efL17ekQZ5ktwo things:
a)
"The painkillers Morphine and Demerol.
Chloropheniramine, an antihistamine.
The tranquilizers Placidyl and Vailum.
Finally, four drugs were found in "significant" quantities: Codeine, an opiate, Ethinamate, largely prescribed at the time as a "sleeping pill," Quaaludes, and a barbituate, or depressant, that has never been identified.It has also been rumored that Diazepam, Amytal, Nembutal, Carbrital, Sinutab, Elavil, Avental, and Valmid were found in his system at death."
this does not in any way compare to the drug combinations that are being discussed here.
b) noone says that contraindicated drugs "cannot kill you". but they won't do so necessarily. you make a sweeping generalization here.
also, why don't you respond to posts personally, instead of posting links over links to explain your point of view? I'd appreciate a real discussion, I don't like to argue with websites and youtube videos.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 16:25:54
In reply to Lou's request-hrtbraykhoetell, posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 14:07:38
Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you (redacted by respondent)
Lou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhzbzwPNgXA
Posted by Maxime on September 21, 2010, at 17:28:00
In reply to Lou's request-wishuponastar, posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 16:25:54
Thanks, everyone! I am not going to let her get to me! I will post only here from now on. I didn't like the way she questioned if I was obtaining the meds legally or not.
It's in the past already! :)
Posted by Maxime on September 22, 2010, at 6:21:14
In reply to Thank you!, posted by Maxime on September 21, 2010, at 17:28:00
I told D. to get her *ss out of her head and stop being a bitch. I told her she might feel better if she was nice.
I was banned. Like I give a f*ck. Seriously.
Posted by morgan miller on September 22, 2010, at 12:00:23
In reply to Banned!, posted by Maxime on September 22, 2010, at 6:21:14
> I told D. to get her *ss out of her head and stop being a bitch. I told her she might feel better if she was nice.
>
> I was banned. Like I give a f*ck. Seriously.Good for you! Maybe I should get on there and give her a piece of my mind. I can't stand people like her. It's too bad she was allowed to be a moderator there.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2010, at 12:14:18
In reply to Lou's request-wishuponastar, posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 16:25:54
Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this tthread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you click on the following link and there is the last link concerning fallacies.
I am requesting that you use that link to look at the fallacy of {Ad Hominem} and others.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20100917/msgs/963356.htmll
Posted by europerep on September 22, 2010, at 12:50:47
In reply to Banned!, posted by Maxime on September 22, 2010, at 6:21:14
thumbs up!
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2010, at 13:39:51
In reply to Lou's request-ahdhominen, posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2010, at 12:14:18
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this tthread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you click on the following link and there is the last link concerning fallacies.
> I am requesting that you use that link to look at the fallacy of {Ad Hominem} and others.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20100917/msgs/963356.htmllFriends,
Here is the corrected link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20100917/msgs/963356.html
Posted by Maxime on September 22, 2010, at 19:00:47
In reply to Banned!, posted by Maxime on September 22, 2010, at 6:21:14
I didn't think they would ban so quickly! But they did. I never used the Forum much at there because it was slow moving and there was expertise on the board.
Posted by Phillipa on September 22, 2010, at 20:50:51
In reply to Re: Banned! » Maxime, posted by Maxime on September 22, 2010, at 19:00:47
Do they give out spankings also!!!! Phillipa
Posted by morgan miller on September 22, 2010, at 22:07:44
In reply to Lou's request-ahdhominen, posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2010, at 12:14:18
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this tthread or parallel threads, I am requesting that you click on the following link and there is the last link concerning fallacies.
> I am requesting that you use that link to look at the fallacy of {Ad Hominem} and others.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20100917/msgs/963356.htmllLou, come on man, leave it alone already.
Morgan
Posted by Conundrum on September 22, 2010, at 23:19:00
In reply to Crazy meds IS crazy, posted by Maxime on September 19, 2010, at 23:06:07
I posted their recently about a social issue and the reaction I got was amazing. It seems like that forums attract certain types of people and they like it very strict there.
They are too pro med and put too much faith in non controlled studies like Star*D.
Posted by Conundrum on September 22, 2010, at 23:27:09
In reply to Re: Crazy meds IS crazy » Maxime, posted by huxley on September 20, 2010, at 1:05:21
I've seen her posts there. She's a troll who somehow became an admin.
> lol maxime I have had a few run ins with her.
>
> Don't give her the time of day. She is a nasty piece of work and doesnt really deserve to be giving anyone advice. Really one of the most pointless nasty people you will find out there.
>
> Have a look at some of her other posts, they are nearly all like that. She enjoys putting people down.
>
> Someone gave her a little power and it went straight to her head.
>
> Add to that she gives out alot of misinformation.
>
> Some people just shouldnt be allowed on the internet.
>
>
Posted by bulldog2 on September 23, 2010, at 9:36:18
In reply to Crazy meds IS crazy, posted by Maxime on September 19, 2010, at 23:06:07
> Sometimes I post on Crazy Meds, not often though. I posted a question about how the dexedring was making me tired and this I got this nasty post from a moderator.
>
> They think I am a drug junky or something like that!
>
> And I know you are going to think that I am stupid, but the post below actually made me cry. I think because it made me so angry.
> ____________________________________________
>
> Overwhelming tiredness is completely normal for someone who is not ADD and should not be being prescribed stimulants in the first place.
>
> In your other thread, you said you were being prescribed stimulants "for depression". Let's take a look at your meds:
>
> Dx'd with Bipolar depression & Anorexia (restricting subtype)
>
> Current meds:
>
> Parnate 100 mg
> Nortriptyline 75 mg
> Adderall XR 30 mg
> Trileptal 600 mg
> Klonopin .5 mg
>
> I'll go through them one by one.
>
> Parnate: an anti-depressant with a usual dose of 30 mg per day, but a max daily dosage of 60 mg (you're on 100 mg), that is absolutely contraindicated for use with -
> --- Nortriptyline (or any dibenzazepine-related entities or tricyclic antidepressants)
> --- Carbamazepine (that would be that Trileptal you're taking)
> --- Sympathomimetics (that would be ANY of the amphetamines you have been taking)
> --- A whole bunch of different foods that your doctor should have told you about
>
> Nortriptyline: a tricyclic anti-depressant which falls into the dibenzazepine class and the sympathomimetics class.
>
> Adderall XR: an amphetamine of the sympathomimetics class with a recommended dose of 25 mg per day of which you are taking 30 mg day.
>
> Trileptal: an anti-convulsant used as a mood-stabilizer, but contraindicated in use with Parnate.
>
> Klonopin: a benzodiazepine approved/utilized for seizure disorders, anxiety disorders, and the manic side of bipolar. It is not Rx'd for people sitting in the depressive end of bipolar as it simply makes them more depressed.
>
>
> Ok, now that we have the fact that every single med you are on, save the Klonopin, is in complete contradiction with one another, we need to look at two things: who is trying to kill you, and why.
>
>
> If you have one doctor who is prescribing these medications, they are simply incompetent, and should be reported to the authorities for gross negligence. If you have multiple doctors, they should all be reported for not looking at your meds list. You are showing them your meds list, right?
>
> If it is you that is responsible for making sure you obtain these medications, in whatever way possible, you are in need of therapy far more than you are in need of a place like CrazyMeds. Please do not ask any more questions along this vein. Your data does not add up, and we have an extremely low tolerance for such things.
>
> Dymphna
>
> Moderator
>Really offensive response. This person does not know you well enough to draw her conclusions and she should not be judging you. She certainly has issues she needs to work on.
Posted by creepy on September 23, 2010, at 14:13:34
In reply to Crazy meds IS crazy, posted by Maxime on September 19, 2010, at 23:06:07
Lol, I saw that post.
Some of the mods do come off as a bit grouchy I guess. And I too got the 'you sound like an abuser' thing with an adderall question years ago.
Maybe youd need to be active in a lot of forums to recognize the pattern and not fall into it. years ago I would have reacted exactly the same but now I just bite my tounge on some of these forums..
For us mentally interesting folks I think were a lot more susceptible to reacting badly and getting into an argument. It sucks when youre in pain and youre trying to cope with a trigger. =(You know what forum drives me crazy, is ptsdforums.org. I make a post and I get a email about grammar and punctuation corrections that tells me im in violation of forum policy! o_O
Id just make another user account I guess. There are a lot of knowledgeable folks here but I get more of my technical info from crazymeds.
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 23, 2010, at 15:50:53
In reply to Re: Crazy meds IS crazy, posted by bulldog2 on September 23, 2010, at 9:36:18
> Personally I feel whoever Crazy Med is Is a bit crazy himself.
>
>Phillipa> I can't believe they were so rude to you there
>
> Christ_empowered> Really one of the most pointless nasty people you will find out there.
>
> Huxley> how horrible. Also, she is clearly not as knowledgable as she believes.
>
> ed_uk2010> Maybe if you just told her to f*ck off you'd feel better.
>
> violette> Those forums are toxic.
>
> weatherfreak> to imply that you are the one who is at fault and a drug addict is simply mean and cruel.
>
> 49er> I told D. to ... stop being a bitch.
>
> Maxime> I can't stand people like her.
>
> morgan miller> thumbs up!
>
> europerep> Really offensive response.
>
> bulldog2Please be sensitive to the feelings of others (including users of Crazy Meds, and including in the subject line)
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're bad people, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by huxley on September 23, 2010, at 18:39:21
In reply to Re: Huxley is right., posted by Conundrum on September 22, 2010, at 23:27:09
Never thought I would see a thread titled 'Huxley is right' on psychobabble. But ill take it where I can get it :D
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2010, at 20:38:35
In reply to Lou's request-wishuponastar, posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2010, at 16:25:54
Friends,
Lou
http://www.fact-index.com/j/jo/john_belushi.html
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TAvuRtO9KIU
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2010, at 20:43:55
In reply to Lou's request-bluzbro, posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2010, at 20:38:35
> Friends,
> Lou
> http://www.fact-index.com/j/jo/john_belushi.html
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=TAvuRtO9KIU
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2010, at 20:59:55
In reply to Rcorrection-: Lou's request-bluzbro, posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2010, at 20:43:55
> > Friends,
> > Lou
> > http://www.fact-index.com/j/jo/john_belushi.html
> > http://youtube.com/watch?v=TAvuRtO9KIU
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=TAvuRtO9kIUFriends,
I apologize for some of the words in the comments under the video here.
Lou
Posted by Dymphna on September 26, 2010, at 14:18:58
In reply to Crazy meds IS crazy, posted by Maxime on September 19, 2010, at 23:06:07
Hi.
You were banned for violating the Crazy Meds user agreement. Just as Dr. Bob has a user agreement, so does Crazy Meds. CMs' just happens to include personal attacks on their moderators (which includes using curse words instead of their names).
Additionally, what you have posted here (my writings) technically falls under the legal heading "expectation of privacy", as you were warned not to do it when you signed up for Crazy Meds:
"You agree to not copy text or images, outside of fair use guidelines, to other sites without the express permission of the author. So if it is a post on the forum, you'll have to ask whoever wrote it (see the section on former members) for permission."
We keep IP numbers on file, as does every other fora on the internet.
We do, however, appreciate the Google hits you are giving Crazy Meds by repeatedly writing the name of our site.
Have a blessed day.
Dymphna(who never thought you were an addict; I just thought your drug combo was likely harming you)
> Sometimes I post on Crazy Meds, not often though. I posted a question about how the dexedring was making me tired and this I got this nasty post from a moderator.
>
> They think I am a drug junky or something like that!
>
> And I know you are going to think that I am stupid, but the post below actually made me cry. I think because it made me so angry.
> ____________________________________________
>
> Overwhelming tiredness is completely normal for someone who is not ADD and should not be being prescribed stimulants in the first place.
>
> In your other thread, you said you were being prescribed stimulants "for depression". Let's take a look at your meds:
>
> Dx'd with Bipolar depression & Anorexia (restricting subtype)
>
> Current meds:
>
> Parnate 100 mg
> Nortriptyline 75 mg
> Adderall XR 30 mg
> Trileptal 600 mg
> Klonopin .5 mg
>
> I'll go through them one by one.
>
> Parnate: an anti-depressant with a usual dose of 30 mg per day, but a max daily dosage of 60 mg (you're on 100 mg), that is absolutely contraindicated for use with -
> --- Nortriptyline (or any dibenzazepine-related entities or tricyclic antidepressants)
> --- Carbamazepine (that would be that Trileptal you're taking)
> --- Sympathomimetics (that would be ANY of the amphetamines you have been taking)
> --- A whole bunch of different foods that your doctor should have told you about
>
> Nortriptyline: a tricyclic anti-depressant which falls into the dibenzazepine class and the sympathomimetics class.
>
> Adderall XR: an amphetamine of the sympathomimetics class with a recommended dose of 25 mg per day of which you are taking 30 mg day.
>
> Trileptal: an anti-convulsant used as a mood-stabilizer, but contraindicated in use with Parnate.
>
> Klonopin: a benzodiazepine approved/utilized for seizure disorders, anxiety disorders, and the manic side of bipolar. It is not Rx'd for people sitting in the depressive end of bipolar as it simply makes them more depressed.
>
>
> Ok, now that we have the fact that every single med you are on, save the Klonopin, is in complete contradiction with one another, we need to look at two things: who is trying to kill you, and why.
>
>
> If you have one doctor who is prescribing these medications, they are simply incompetent, and should be reported to the authorities for gross negligence. If you have multiple doctors, they should all be reported for not looking at your meds list. You are showing them your meds list, right?
>
> If it is you that is responsible for making sure you obtain these medications, in whatever way possible, you are in need of therapy far more than you are in need of a place like CrazyMeds. Please do not ask any more questions along this vein. Your data does not add up, and we have an extremely low tolerance for such things.
>
> Dymphna
>
> Moderator
>
Posted by bulldog2 on September 26, 2010, at 14:55:11
In reply to Re: Crazy meds IS crazy, posted by Dymphna on September 26, 2010, at 14:18:58
> Hi.
>
> You were banned for violating the Crazy Meds user agreement. Just as Dr. Bob has a user agreement, so does Crazy Meds. CMs' just happens to include personal attacks on their moderators (which includes using curse words instead of their names).
>
> Additionally, what you have posted here (my writings) technically falls under the legal heading "expectation of privacy", as you were warned not to do it when you signed up for Crazy Meds:
>
> "You agree to not copy text or images, outside of fair use guidelines, to other sites without the express permission of the author. So if it is a post on the forum, you'll have to ask whoever wrote it (see the section on former members) for permission."
>
> We keep IP numbers on file, as does every other fora on the internet.
>
> We do, however, appreciate the Google hits you are giving Crazy Meds by repeatedly writing the name of our site.
>
> Have a blessed day.
>
>
> Dymphna
>
> (who never thought you were an addict; I just thought your drug combo was likely harming you)
>
>
> > Sometimes I post on Crazy Meds, not often though. I posted a question about how the dexedring was making me tired and this I got this nasty post from a moderator.
> >
> > They think I am a drug junky or something like that!
> >
> > And I know you are going to think that I am stupid, but the post below actually made me cry. I think because it made me so angry.
> > ____________________________________________
> >
> > Overwhelming tiredness is completely normal for someone who is not ADD and should not be being prescribed stimulants in the first place.
> >
> > In your other thread, you said you were being prescribed stimulants "for depression". Let's take a look at your meds:
> >
> > Dx'd with Bipolar depression & Anorexia (restricting subtype)
> >
> > Current meds:
> >
> > Parnate 100 mg
> > Nortriptyline 75 mg
> > Adderall XR 30 mg
> > Trileptal 600 mg
> > Klonopin .5 mg
> >
> > I'll go through them one by one.
> >
> > Parnate: an anti-depressant with a usual dose of 30 mg per day, but a max daily dosage of 60 mg (you're on 100 mg), that is absolutely contraindicated for use with -
> > --- Nortriptyline (or any dibenzazepine-related entities or tricyclic antidepressants)
> > --- Carbamazepine (that would be that Trileptal you're taking)
> > --- Sympathomimetics (that would be ANY of the amphetamines you have been taking)
> > --- A whole bunch of different foods that your doctor should have told you about
> >
> > Nortriptyline: a tricyclic anti-depressant which falls into the dibenzazepine class and the sympathomimetics class.
> >
> > Adderall XR: an amphetamine of the sympathomimetics class with a recommended dose of 25 mg per day of which you are taking 30 mg day.
> >
> > Trileptal: an anti-convulsant used as a mood-stabilizer, but contraindicated in use with Parnate.
> >
> > Klonopin: a benzodiazepine approved/utilized for seizure disorders, anxiety disorders, and the manic side of bipolar. It is not Rx'd for people sitting in the depressive end of bipolar as it simply makes them more depressed.
> >
> >
> > Ok, now that we have the fact that every single med you are on, save the Klonopin, is in complete contradiction with one another, we need to look at two things: who is trying to kill you, and why.
> >
> >
> > If you have one doctor who is prescribing these medications, they are simply incompetent, and should be reported to the authorities for gross negligence. If you have multiple doctors, they should all be reported for not looking at your meds list. You are showing them your meds list, right?
> >
> > If it is you that is responsible for making sure you obtain these medications, in whatever way possible, you are in need of therapy far more than you are in need of a place like CrazyMeds. Please do not ask any more questions along this vein. Your data does not add up, and we have an extremely low tolerance for such things.
> >
> > Dymphna
> >
> > Moderator
> >
>
>The contraindications you are talking about are more than likely drug inserts by the drug company and repeated on the internet when you look up the drug.
Parnate has been around for awhile and time has revealed that some of the original contraindicatins are no longer correct. Psychopharmacologists are using many of the contraindications on trd patients with great success. If you took the time to study the drug and its history you would see that. As drugs evolve we learn new things you can do with them under the care of a skilled p-doc.
I'm sorry but I believe your assertions about her p-doc may be incorrect. Her doctor probably knows exactly what he's doing. I don't know how much you have studied parnate but more than likely he has studied the drug and there are many studies on it. Especially using tcas (other than clomipramine or immirpamine-serotonin syndrome risk). Nortriptyline and parnate actually make parnate safer in terms of bp crisis. Please read this from a p-doc who has used parnate on more than a 1000 patients.http://www.psychotropical.com/maois_full.shtml
I would have been upset if you would have responded this way to a combo I was using. You seem to imply her p-doc is incompetent when the man may be quite skilled.
Posted by Conundrum on September 26, 2010, at 16:50:17
In reply to Re: Crazy meds IS crazy, posted by Dymphna on September 26, 2010, at 14:18:58
> We do, however, appreciate the Google hits you are giving Crazy Meds by repeatedly writing the name of our site.
>
ROFL in contrast to what you're about to say.
> Have a blessed day.Didn't no spite and blessings went together.
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