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Posted by 20-something on October 19, 2003, at 14:15:31
In reply to Re: RE EFFEXOR-DID ANYONE HAVE TINNITUS SYMPTOMS » Nurtureman, posted by zinya on October 19, 2003, at 10:54:42
I have just found this site and have been reading all the posts. I thought that maybe if I gave you guys my background, it might give you some ideas for questions you should be asking you Dr.s
I am 25 and have been suffering from depression most of my life -it runs in my family (grandmother, father, sister, cousin). I wasn't diagnosed until I was 20 because I was good at pretending and our culture was filled with so much disbelief. I spent a few years on various doses of zoloft, with annoying side effects like teeth grinding, nausea, and headaches, before it stopped helping at all. My doctor then put me on effexor xr, which had been working well for my sister. The only side effect my sister warned me about was that she had trouble sleeping if she took it too late in the day. I have been taking 225 mg of effexor er for over a year and a half, while at the same time I have had a number of frustrating health problems.
After reading all your posts, I realize now that a lot of the discomfort and symptoms I have been going to doctors for could be related to the effexor. I was very irritated when my doctor didn't take these seriously, as I have not felt healthy and productive in a long time.
SEDATION -I have experienced more tiredness and fatigue than when I had mono. The falling asleep for several hours during the day -I even have tried to go out for walks when I felt good, and then ten minutes later been so tired that I wanted to laydown on the sidewalk and pass out. I've always had that with the depression, but never figured that the effexor was making it worse. I haven't had the energy for a social life, or any of my hobbies in a long time.
RINGING IN THE EARS -All the time. I have seen doctors about this, but they insist it's not a big deal as long as my blood pressure is normal. Never mind that it drives me crazy!
WIERD IMPULSES - Hearing this from others really opened my eyes because I hadn't even focused too much at how my behavior has changed, and how I periodically have a short fuse that I never had before. And it is a wierd curiousity kind of thing -not necessarily ill will. I have it someimes when I'm driving, and all of a sudden I just think about driving off the side of the highway, or something totally insane.
WEIGHT GAIN - About the time I switched to effexor I put on 50 pounds fairly quickly, and I have not been able to lose it. I have always been athletic and have studied nutrition for a long time. I have undergone all kinds of tests to see what was causing this problem, and nothing seems to be conclusive. I have every single symptom for hypothyroidism, yet my bloodwork did not show a problem with my thyroid. My Dr. never mentioned weight gain as a possible side effect of effexor, and I haven't ever read that before. It's very interesting to me that others mentioned this, because 50 pounds is a lot of weight. I can't fit into my clothes, and it's awful to work so hard to lose weight and not see any results.
TREMORS/ SPASMS - I have weird twitching in various muscles all the time. It's kind of like my whole body jerks out of nowhere.
HEADACHES/ DISORIENTATION -When I have forgotten to take a dose for a day, I definitely notice after about 24 hours because I become a little disoriented, the weird impulses become more frequent and intense, I get irritable and anxious, and I get wierd headaches combined with nausea. I start to feel like I'm losing control.
SUICIDE IDEAS - I am not suicidal, nor do I think I ever could kill myself, but I can't stop the idea of it from popping into my head. They've done research on children who were perscribed effexor for depression, and determined that the drug was actually increasing the occurence of their thoughts of suicide. It's not a good way to go about your daily life, and sometimes it makes me get down on myself for thinking such things.Has anyone else had problems with mentally zoning out and/or brain fog? I literally feel like my IQ has dropped ten points in the last year. As a young person trying to get started in a career, this has really hurt my productivity, initiative and confidence.
I have long been exploring options of getting off of effexor mainly because of the cost. My Dr. helped me apply for a free 3 month supply in May because I was unemployed and didn't have health insurance, and effexor was costing me $200 a month, which I definitely don't have. Now I am anxious to see if I can eliminate my other health concerns by going off effexor, but I have read articles about people that have not been able to stop taking it because the side effects of withdrawal would not go away, and were too painful(even when very gradually reducing dosage). I know that I need someway of managing my depression because I tried going off zoloft when I felt better, and then just ended up back at the beginning, and I have to say that even with some really low times, effexor has been more effective than zoloft was. But, now I have doubts that it is worth it.
I'm sorry that this post is a kind of long, but I hope it gives you some things to think about if you have concerns about effexor.
-20-something
Posted by melbob on October 19, 2003, at 20:16:32
In reply to Re: EFFEXOR EFFECTS » melbob, posted by zinya on October 19, 2003, at 1:18:43
hi all...
day 2 without effexor. started out pretty rough; however, i got a few klonopin from my soon-to-be sister-in-law...that really helped the agitation and paranoia...and i just ate my first real meal in a week. also, i found that ice cream sandwiches help me! and listening to bob dylan (my favorite, don't know why i didn't think of it sooner). and truthfully, reading all y'alls posts is very helpful, just knowing i am not alone. still having neck pain, shoulder pain, but just got rid of my headache (combination of benadryl, tramadol, tylenol, naproxen)...so i feel pretty normal at the moment, which is of course subject to change at any moment. i go to see my gp tomorrow at 2p, then my therapist (who recommended the effexor in the first place) on tuesday at 2p...believe me, they will both be hearing a very long story from me; hopefully, it will help the next person who comes along.
i will check in tomorrow...thank you for letting me share...
melbob
Posted by cookie on October 20, 2003, at 0:08:52
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
> Hi there,
>
> Anyone care to comment on the use of Effexor? Anyone
> "happy" with it? I have tried Prozac (too much anxiety),
> Serzone (too sedating). I am currently on Buspar for anxiety.
>
> Been reading many different reports... Effexor seems
> to have a lot of success...
>
> please share your thoughts on this.
Hello. I am thankful for Effexor. I will not lie and say I have not had any side effects. When my dose was upped to 150 mg, I began having difficulty reaching orgasm. However, that too has subsided.
Posted by slinky on October 20, 2003, at 9:54:45
In reply to Re: EFFEXOR EFFECTS, posted by lovemybabies on October 19, 2003, at 7:44:56
Well ain't it great!!
Only 75mg of niceypill efexor to go now.
Apart from a permanent sore throat,discovering the relief of cutting , I feel I'm evolving into a very nasty person.
I sleep to escape myself.
Anyone seen my broomstick?
vile evil vile evil
Posted by Sufferfromeffexor on October 20, 2003, at 14:41:22
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
Does anyone have high cholesterol because of taking Effexor?? I had mine checked last week and just got my results this morning and they are through the roof. My triglycerides are at 533 (normal being below 150). I wonder if this has anything to do with being on Effexor??? I have to go back to the doc tomorrow to see what they want to do. I will probably take medication to lower it temporarily and than have to make some changes in my diet. I am only turning 30 in December and can't believe I am faced with this already.
Posted by MamaCindy2000 on October 20, 2003, at 16:17:50
In reply to eeeFFexor FFlipp-out, posted by slinky on October 20, 2003, at 9:54:45
IVE BEEN FLIPPING OUT EVER SIENCE I STARTED EFFEXOR XR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Last week my pdoc lowered my dose of effexor xr FROM 225 mg TO 175 mg And increased my Wellbutrin FROM 100 mg TO 200 mg.
CAN I EXPIERENCE WITHDRAWLS? Ive been twitching more than usual. And been having SEVERE crying spells. I almost didnt make it back to work after lunch today. I have no idea how Im keeping it together right now. Ice cubes on my eyes helps reduce puffiness after crying.
Posted by slinky on October 21, 2003, at 3:37:05
In reply to Re: eeeFFexor FFlipp-out, posted by MamaCindy2000 on October 20, 2003, at 16:17:50
> IVE BEEN FLIPPING OUT EVER SIENCE I STARTED EFFEXOR XR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Last week my pdoc lowered my dose of effexor xr FROM 225 mg TO 175 mg And increased my Wellbutrin FROM 100 mg TO 200 mg.
> CAN I EXPIERENCE WITHDRAWLS? Ive been twitching more than usual. And been having SEVERE crying spells. I almost didnt make it back to work after lunch today. I have no idea how Im keeping it together right now. Ice cubes on my eyes helps reduce puffiness after crying.Yes, I can't stop crying , can't work out if it's withdrawals or prozac-that reduced withdrawal but not enough anymore.
I'm trying to keep away from this site cause of my anger bursts.
Posted by Francois on October 21, 2003, at 18:08:01
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
Hello all,
I am going through the Effexor Withdrawal's absolutely insane dizziness (and related) and have found this most interesting community.I happen to own an internet company and spend half of my life or more online ;-) ... and have also found in my web research a lawfirm in NY City that seems to be putting together a class-action lawsuit via their "Defective Medicine" Legal Division (on behalf of Effexor users).
Although they seem to be interested in younger adults (due to higher suicidal ideation caused by Effexor in younger adults and children), I believe it would be most important for ALL of us to contact this firm and make them aware of this community and its population of distressed Effexor users.
Here is the info:
LAW FIRM: PARKER & WAICHMANNhttp://www.yourlawyer.com/practice/overview.htm?topic=Effexor
ALSO:
MANHATTAN OFFICE
80 Maiden Lane
12th Floor
New York, NY 10038
Phone: 212.267.6700LONG ISLAND OFFICE
111 Great Neck Road
Great Neck, NY 11021
Phone: 516.466.6500
Fax: 516.466.6665NEW JERSEY OFFICE
One Gateway Center
Suite 2500
Newark, NJ 07102
Phone: 973.297.1020
I hope to see a good response by many of you.Sincerely,
Francois - Toronto, Canada.
Posted by yawnbob on October 21, 2003, at 22:24:10
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by lovemybabies on October 18, 2003, at 1:46:49
I've had very good luck with Effexor. I was taking 150mg daily and life was good. It didn't start that way; it took me probably four weeks to get over the headaches and dizzyness. You name a SE, I had it. Eventually my body adjusted and I felt better than I had in years. No more depression or suicidal thoughts, none. I was also a very angry, pessimistic person before Effexor, during Effexor most of that attitude was curbed. One side effect I had was an occasional lack of ability to acheive an orgasm. The wife never complained about that one much. At one point I declared Effexor a miracle drug.
Now here I am reading these posts because I've stopped taking it and suffering some withdrawal. Hummmm, much like what I was feeling while starting the drug!
I cut down my dosage to 75mg for several weeks and then stopped altogether. It's been two days now and I do a lot of sleeping during the day and sleeplessness at night.
So, why have I stopped taking the "miracle drug"? Lack of concentration. My job depends on my ability to read and constantly process new information. When I try to read I find myself reading the same sentence over and over and still never processing anything. I also find myself skipping words when I write, something I never did before. I thought I would try going without for a while but the withdrawal is tough enough that I don't think I'll start using the drug again.
We'll see. If the "old me" comes back I'll have to weigh a career change vs. life without Effexor.
Posted by john b stevens on October 21, 2003, at 22:54:40
In reply to Class-action Lawsuit / Lawfirm Name, posted by Francois on October 21, 2003, at 18:08:01
This is the kind of thing that makes the world a sorry place. I'm glad to see Canadians can be as annoying as Americans. STOP your complaining you CRYBABY. Effexor did not work for you. You had some withdrawal--boo hoo. Deal with it. Don't screw up the world for the rest of us, those of us who have had great success with Effexor. The world ain't perfect; suing someone isn't going to make it better. Next time work more closely with your doctor: take 3 months to get off of it.
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 22, 2003, at 0:23:57
In reply to Re: Class-action Lawsuit / Lawfirm Name, posted by john b stevens on October 21, 2003, at 22:54:40
> I'm glad to see Canadians can be as annoying as Americans. STOP your complaining you CRYBABY.
Please be sensitive to the feelings of others and don't post anything that could lead them to feel accused or put down, thanks.
Bob
PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies, and complaints about posts, should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration; otherwise, they may be deleted.
Posted by omegon on October 22, 2003, at 0:29:29
In reply to Re: Class-action Lawsuit / Lawfirm Name, posted by john b stevens on October 21, 2003, at 22:54:40
It has to be said though that with over $2 billion annual sales, any lawsuit probably isn't going to make much of a dent. (at least, once it's gone through numerous appeals and they actually have to PAY it...)
> This is the kind of thing that makes the world a sorry place. I'm glad to see Canadians can be as annoying as Americans. ...[whinge whinge]... Don't screw up the world for the rest of us, ...[whinge]...suing someone isn't going to make it better. ...[whinge]
Posted by Sufferfromeffexor on October 22, 2003, at 1:22:12
In reply to Class-action Lawsuit / Lawfirm Name, posted by Francois on October 21, 2003, at 18:08:01
I took the free case evaluation twice and have been turned down twice. I think they are geared towards children. Still looking for someone to take the case on behalf of adults and withdrawals though!
> Hello all,
>
>
> I am going through the Effexor Withdrawal's absolutely insane dizziness (and related) and have found this most interesting community.
>
> I happen to own an internet company and spend half of my life or more online ;-) ... and have also found in my web research a lawfirm in NY City that seems to be putting together a class-action lawsuit via their "Defective Medicine" Legal Division (on behalf of Effexor users).
>
> Although they seem to be interested in younger adults (due to higher suicidal ideation caused by Effexor in younger adults and children), I believe it would be most important for ALL of us to contact this firm and make them aware of this community and its population of distressed Effexor users.
>
> Here is the info:
>
>
> LAW FIRM: PARKER & WAICHMANN
>
> http://www.yourlawyer.com/practice/overview.htm?topic=Effexor
>
> ALSO:
>
> MANHATTAN OFFICE
> 80 Maiden Lane
> 12th Floor
> New York, NY 10038
> Phone: 212.267.6700
>
> LONG ISLAND OFFICE
> 111 Great Neck Road
> Great Neck, NY 11021
> Phone: 516.466.6500
> Fax: 516.466.6665
>
> NEW JERSEY OFFICE
> One Gateway Center
> Suite 2500
> Newark, NJ 07102
> Phone: 973.297.1020
>
>
> I hope to see a good response by many of you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Francois - Toronto, Canada.
Posted by Sufferfromeffexor on October 22, 2003, at 1:25:17
In reply to Re: Class-action Lawsuit / Lawfirm Name, posted by john b stevens on October 21, 2003, at 22:54:40
These kinds of posts are clearly IGNORANT and uncalled for! Why are they even allowed to post???!!!!
> This is the kind of thing that makes the world a sorry place. I'm glad to see Canadians can be as annoying as Americans. STOP your complaining you CRYBABY. Effexor did not work for you. You had some withdrawal--boo hoo. Deal with it. Don't screw up the world for the rest of us, those of us who have had great success with Effexor. The world ain't perfect; suing someone isn't going to make it better. Next time work more closely with your doctor: take 3 months to get off of it.
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 22, 2003, at 2:16:55
In reply to Re: Class-action Lawsuit / Lawfirm Name » john b stevens, posted by Sufferfromeffexor on October 22, 2003, at 1:25:17
> These kinds of posts are clearly IGNORANT and uncalled for!
Please be sensitive to the feelings of others and don't post anything that could lead them to feel accused or put down, thanks.
Bob
Posted by Elle2021 on October 22, 2003, at 4:33:44
In reply to Class-action Lawsuit / Lawfirm Name, posted by Francois on October 21, 2003, at 18:08:01
Thanks for posting that info. I had HORRID migraine headaches when I tried Effexor, couldn't even barely get out of bed. I could only take it for a week, it was truly awful. Elle
Posted by Chellie on October 22, 2003, at 8:24:03
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
Whats the difference between Effexor and Effexor XR?
Posted by KIMMMIE on October 22, 2003, at 10:47:28
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
I TOOK MY FIRST EFFEXOR XR 75MG LAST NIGHT.I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANYONE ELSE WHO TAKES IT AT BEDTIME. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHOSE DOCTOR PRESCRIBED IT TO BE TAKEN AT BEDTIME? WHAT KIND OF RESULTS ARE YOU GETTING AND HOW LONG BEFORE YOU COULD TELL THAT IT WAS WORKING? I CAN NOT TELL ANYTHING YET. I CAN'T TELL THAT I HAVE TAKEN ANYTHING. IS THAT NORMAL?
Posted by Francois on October 22, 2003, at 11:43:05
In reply to Re: Class-action Lawsuit / Lawfirm Name, posted by john b stevens on October 21, 2003, at 22:54:40
> This is the kind of thing that makes the world a sorry place. I'm glad to see Canadians can be as annoying as Americans. STOP your complaining you CRYBABY. Effexor did not work for you. You had some withdrawal--boo hoo. Deal with it. Don't screw up the world for the rest of us, those of us who have had great success with Effexor. The world ain't perfect; suing someone isn't going to make it better. Next time work more closely with your doctor: take 3 months to get off of it.
First of all, I am French (from France) and not Canadian. Second of all, I have 3 degrees from the top 3 best US universities and run a successful IT company for the past 10 years throughout North America that would make you be a crybaby if you would see what I have achieved even under the influence of a pseudo medicine that fucks with your brain.Thirdly, your post probably represents greatly your level of intelligence and I am sure the rest of this community will realize it.
:-)
Francois
Posted by Francois on October 22, 2003, at 11:56:16
In reply to Re: Class-action Lawsuit / Lawfirm Name, posted by john b stevens on October 21, 2003, at 22:54:40
Hey John,
I forgot: GO FUCK YOURSELF.
Haaa.. sorry ... that must be Effexor
again playing with my mood.:-)
Francois
Posted by KimberlyDi on October 22, 2003, at 12:22:08
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by yawnbob on October 21, 2003, at 22:24:10
One option that you have: I definately noticed an increase in ADD-related symptoms when I was taking Effexor (inability to concentrate, retain and remember information crucial to my job also.) I started Strattera, along with the Effexor, and noticed an improvement within a few days. Clarity of mind.
If you find the "old you" returns... consider Strattera (not a controlled substance like Ritilin) before you think you have to switch careers.
Good Luck!
KDi in TExas
> I've had very good luck with Effexor. I was taking 150mg daily and life was good. It didn't start that way; it took me probably four weeks to get over the headaches and dizzyness. You name a SE, I had it. Eventually my body adjusted and I felt better than I had in years. No more depression or suicidal thoughts, none. I was also a very angry, pessimistic person before Effexor, during Effexor most of that attitude was curbed. One side effect I had was an occasional lack of ability to acheive an orgasm. The wife never complained about that one much. At one point I declared Effexor a miracle drug.
>
> Now here I am reading these posts because I've stopped taking it and suffering some withdrawal. Hummmm, much like what I was feeling while starting the drug!
>
> I cut down my dosage to 75mg for several weeks and then stopped altogether. It's been two days now and I do a lot of sleeping during the day and sleeplessness at night.
>
> So, why have I stopped taking the "miracle drug"? Lack of concentration. My job depends on my ability to read and constantly process new information. When I try to read I find myself reading the same sentence over and over and still never processing anything. I also find myself skipping words when I write, something I never did before. I thought I would try going without for a while but the withdrawal is tough enough that I don't think I'll start using the drug again.
>
> We'll see. If the "old me" comes back I'll have to weigh a career change vs. life without Effexor.
>
Posted by KimberlyDi on October 22, 2003, at 12:32:17
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by Chellie on October 22, 2003, at 8:24:03
> Whats the difference between Effexor and Effexor XR?
Effexor, or Effexor Immediate Release (IR) as some people call it, was the first version to hit the market. You had to take it more often, the effects were more immediate, and I'm told more of the IR version is *lost* through the digestive process. Effexor XR (Extended Release) is a capsule designed to release the same dosage more slowly and effectively.
Posted by KimberlyDi on October 22, 2003, at 12:44:24
In reply to Re: Class-action Lawsuit / Lawfirm Name, posted by Francois on October 22, 2003, at 11:43:05
> Francois
Todays behavior will likely get you post-banned for a week or more so i'll keep this short and sweet. Thanks for providing that information. There's many posters that will be interested in visiting the website. But, in the US, we are experiencing a backlash of anger from all the frivilous lawsuits driving up the cost of everything. Not all lawsuits are frivilous.
I see both sides. I thought Effexor was a miracle drug, and it did save my sanity during a rough time in my life. I am unhappy with the withdrawal and the way it affects my work. It shouldn't be a major ordeal to stop taking a medicine. I'm only stopping because it raised my blood pressure, not because it stopped working.
KDi in Texas
Posted by zinya on October 22, 2003, at 13:54:51
In reply to Re: Anyone had success on Effexor XR? » yawnbob, posted by KimberlyDi on October 22, 2003, at 12:22:08
hi Kim
long time no cross paths... When you say Strattera is "not a controlled substance" in what sense did you mean that? What specific S-E(s) was the reason for your taking it? (or do i recall that you were taking it all along??)You refer to your withdrawal symptoms but not specifically ... What exactly are you going thru on the offramp?
As i mentioned some time back, my reason for quitting including a variation on yours - the no-longer-tenable rapid heart beats (which had turned normal gardening into a scarily aerobic exercise) ... as well as the sweating-without-end...
Both of those things have stopped - first the rapid heart beat was gone again by the time i got from 150 down to 75... It's only this week that -- in our inordinate heat wave here in LA - temps upwards of 100 deg. -- i know for sure the sweating that had come to rule my life while on Effexor for 3 months is now past. It had started at 37.5 and sure enough it's now that i'm below 37.5 again that it has ended (knock on wood) -- I've been at 25 mg (75 divided in thirds) for 6 nights now and probably staying at this level at least another 3 nights before the next step down and not sure whether that will be 18 (37.5 div by 2) or maybe 15 (75 divided in fifths) .. probably the latter ... and then maybe i'll go from there to 15 every other day and then every third day and then quit.
But part of me wants to hasten this so i do have to keep all the learnings from others' experience here over past 6 months pounded into my head, so to speak... I know it was at this lower level that i had the weight gain which had only gone away after a while on 150 again and that indicator of "down metabolism" may be adding to what right now is my chief problem: The low energy which never went away as much as my doctor had thought it would (and the reason for choosing Effexor) now seems lower than ever. So Effexor wasn't the answer, but the offramp ain't a picnic either. I do get enough occasional dizziness that that keeps me from accelerating the offramp -- plus I fell last week -- something i hadn't done as an adult except for living on ice in treacherous Illinois winters in the 90's... And when I slipped and went down, i had a very eerie sensation upon falling that made my md. want to take blood tests - which i had drawn yesterday a.m.
The other thing that may or may not be coincidence - and you may have seen my post about it last Sat. (i believe it was Sat) -- that just a week ago Monday i got a recurrence of carpal tunnel... And knowing it is tied to hormones - and that Effexor is meddlign with those too - makes me wonder about this timing...
SO, while the heat, the fall, and the carpal could all be contributing to this worsened energy level and feeling totally back to square one (without the depression - EXCEPT, critically -- and maybe this was always the case -- that the lack of energy itself makes me depressed) ... Craving the wherewithall to follow through on the energy i HAD just 10 days ago (while at about 50 mg Effexor or so and scaling down to 37.5) and had been building for a couple of weeks -- which SEEMED to be a sign that going off Effexor was a boon -- well, now it's all up for grabs again. I guess that's what the E-ticket ride is all about here, eh?
(thinking of Disney, maybe cryogenics is the answer? :) sorry - weird brain leap there - totally nonsense attempt at lame joke)
My chiropractor/guru has been a blessing for both the effects of the fall and the carpal tunnel (bandaged here as we "speak" but knowing from my prior dose of it in 2000 that it lingered for a couple months of lightning strikes and wincings) but the energy ... ah, the energy.. my seemingly eternal quest since roughly hitting the big 4-0 about 16, getting on 17 years ago... There's a friend's 40th bd party to drive with another friend to this weekend, friends i used to party like crazy with, and all i can do is realize i need a miracle between now and then (another chiro visit this afternoon is a candidate) cuz i'm not the me i crave to be again... alaaargh and alack... yet no doubts about staying the E-offramp course...
SO, there's my big nutshell. Curious to hear more about yours if you're so disposed to elaborate any...
and sending you warm good wishes,
zinya
Posted by Sufferfromeffexor on October 22, 2003, at 14:25:37
In reply to Re: Class-action Lawsuit / Lawfirm Name, posted by Francois on October 22, 2003, at 11:56:16
I know your anger...but this wasn't a way it should have been vented, I don't think. It was good information you passed along but I am scared to think that these 2 posts of yours will ban you from being able to provide us with further good information. Sorry it had to result to such low blows on both your ends.
> Hey John,
>
>
> I forgot: GO FUCK YOURSELF.
>
>
> Haaa.. sorry ... that must be Effexor
> again playing with my mood.
>
> :-)
>
> Francois
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