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re: The Women ARE Great !!!!

Posted by lil' jimi on September 14, 2003, at 1:29:27

In reply to THE WOMEN ARE GREAT!!!!, posted by BLKVETTES on September 13, 2003, at 22:27:24

> You women have had everything under control on this board. I read every post and felt no need to post. You guys are great just wanted you all to know that. Please dont leave no matter how great you feel!!! Stay and help the newbies!!!!!
> WAYNE

We have been blessed with this current class of cadets here alright ...
... ... Praise Be to The Women !!

... GalKeepinOn
... Arrianna
... Esmarelda
... Mariposa
... you have each been so active, helpful and supportive ... thank you very much ... ... i know many of our lex threaders feel the same way ...


AND! trucker, Renee the Ump, sassyveg, ELENI4, KayJ, Lex Poster Girl ... (and quietly in the background i see pumpkin and oldhand ... ... maybe DC?) ... (do i recall or did i just read the posts of EGR, sadsack, bozeman?) and many others who have made valuable, thoughtful and often vital contributions as well ... ... thanks gals !

so ...

... You Go, Girls !
... ... you have been great
... we have all been blessed to have you here ...
... and i am grateful to each of you ....


bless you,
~ jim

(how'd i do Wayne?)

 

re: The Women ARE Great !!!! » lil' jimi

Posted by Mariposa on September 14, 2003, at 6:28:31

In reply to re: The Women ARE Great !!!!, posted by lil' jimi on September 14, 2003, at 1:29:27

You are too kind, just trying to pay back!!!!

Take care #1 CHEERLEADER!!!

~~~8|8

 

re: The Women ARE Great !!!!

Posted by BLKVETTES on September 14, 2003, at 11:54:06

In reply to re: The Women ARE Great !!!!, posted by lil' jimi on September 14, 2003, at 1:29:27

> > You women have had everything under control on this board. I read every post and felt no need to post. You guys are great just wanted you all to know that. Please dont leave no matter how great you feel!!! Stay and help the newbies!!!!!
> > WAYNE
>
> We have been blessed with this current class of cadets here alright ...
> ... ... Praise Be to The Women !!
>
> ... GalKeepinOn
> ... Arrianna
> ... Esmarelda
> ... Mariposa
> ... you have each been so active, helpful and supportive ... thank you very much ... ... i know many of our lex threaders feel the same way ...
>
>
> AND! trucker, Renee the Ump, sassyveg, ELENI4, KayJ, Lex Poster Girl ... (and quietly in the background i see pumpkin and oldhand ... ... maybe DC?) ... (do i recall or did i just read the posts of EGR, sadsack, bozeman?) and many others who have made valuable, thoughtful and often vital contributions as well ... ... thanks gals !
>
> so ...
>
> ... You Go, Girls !
> ... ... you have been great
> ... we have all been blessed to have you here ...
> ... and i am grateful to each of you ....
>
>
> bless you,
> ~ jim
>
> (how'd i do Wayne?)

Hi Jim, knowing you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You did not miss anyone!!!!!!!! Guess we should change subject before that little warning is posted by our friend!!!!! TAKE CARE!!!!!!
WAYNE

 

Re: paxil to lexapro

Posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 14:55:08

In reply to Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by Dr. Bob on June 11, 2002, at 7:52:48

Thank you for your replies. This morning I feel terrible, I have muscle aches in my shoulders and neck , am very tired , probably partially from high pollen alergy count. Today I start my 5th week of 10 mg. lexapro and am still waiting for this stuff to kick in. I took a little Klonopin to ease what I feel might be a little anxiety, but it has made me more sedated feeling.
If I am up and about already the Klonopin does not make me tired but just calms me, but now I feel like I am so tired that Im just want to lay in bed and do nothing, I really hate this whole feeling, please help

 

Re: paxil to lexapro » leedsman

Posted by Mariposa on September 14, 2003, at 15:47:12

In reply to Re: paxil to lexapro, posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 14:55:08

> Thank you for your replies. This morning I feel terrible, I have muscle aches in my shoulders and neck , am very tired , probably partially from high pollen alergy count. Today I start my 5th week of 10 mg. lexapro and am still waiting for this stuff to kick in. I took a little Klonopin to ease what I feel might be a little anxiety, but it has made me more sedated feeling.
> If I am up and about already the Klonopin does not make me tired but just calms me, but now I feel like I am so tired that Im just want to lay in bed and do nothing, I really hate this whole feeling, please help

You are right at the point where I almost gave up, but I hung on because of all the great support I got from this board.

I remember feeling like my eyes had lids of lead, and feet too. I felt heavy, like a turtle, and I couldn't motivate. At work I was practically useless, I got tired immediately, got the shakes, shortness of breath. I just felt BAD and depressed.

About this time I increased from 5mg to 10mg, and looking at my old posts from weeks 6-8, it was not obvious to me at the time, but the Lex actually did start to work and I was doing better. By the 9th week there was no doubt and all these side effects had gone away and I was so much BETTER!!!

I know it's tough, I had to really force myself to get going in the mornings and during the day, and to keep taking the Lex. Hopefully, you too will soon experience some of the *benefits* of Lexapro.

Best of luck and keep us posted on your progress!~~~8|8

 

Re: paxil to lexapro

Posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 15:56:54

In reply to Re: paxil to lexapro » leedsman, posted by Mariposa on September 14, 2003, at 15:47:12

Thganks, Mariposa. When did you start taking the 10 mg. lexapro and how long till you felt the effects, it wasn't nine weeks was it? Did it take that long?

 

Re: paxil to lexapro

Posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 16:15:20

In reply to Re: paxil to lexapro, posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 15:56:54

Mariposa, how long did you have this eyes feel like lead feeling and what week were you into of Lexapro. Did you have the muscle aches in shoulder and neck and the fatigue that comes with it? Did you feel better at night , especially hours before bedtime, I seem to feel better whwn it gets dark outside , I know it's strange , but I must have strong anxiety in the daytime. Do you think the Lexapro makes you tired and sedated, what time of the day did you take it,I take it after dinner,

 

Re: paxil to lexapro » leedsman

Posted by Mariposa on September 14, 2003, at 16:37:38

In reply to Re: paxil to lexapro, posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 15:56:54

> Thganks, Mariposa. When did you start taking the 10 mg. lexapro and how long till you felt the effects, it wasn't nine weeks was it? Did it take that long?

Started 10mg toward end of week 5. I guess I didn't quite explain in my last post, I couldn't *tell* it was working until week 9, I didn't realize what was going on as I have never taken these types of meds befor. It actually started working in week 6, but I didn't realize it at the time. I look at my old posts and I'm saying *hey what's up I don't feel anything I thought this stuff was supposed to be working by now what gives?* but I can tell that my posts were *different* does that make any sense???

Then one day I was sitting on the couch w/husband and something funny came on TV, and I actually LAUGHED and it felt GOOD and I realized I FEEL GOOD!!!! It hit me all of a sudden and that's when I was SURE Lex was working, somewhere in week 9.

 

Re: paxil to lexapro » leedsman

Posted by Mariposa on September 14, 2003, at 16:52:24

In reply to Re: paxil to lexapro, posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 16:15:20

> Mariposa, how long did you have this eyes feel like lead feeling and what week were you into of Lexapro. Did you have the muscle aches in shoulder and neck and the fatigue that comes with it? Did you feel better at night , especially hours before bedtime, I seem to feel better whwn it gets dark outside , I know it's strange , but I must have strong anxiety in the daytime. Do you think the Lexapro makes you tired and sedated, what time of the day did you take it,I take it after dinner,

If I remember right, the Heavy fatigue/lethargy/aches & pains went into 6th week, maybe even 7th. I also started @ 5mg and had TERRIBLE side effects. If you were not so far along I would have considered cutting back to 5mg, but you are *almost there*!!

I was taking dose in the morning to begin, and had terrible headaches at nite first couple of weeks. Then I started falling asleep right after dinner, I couldn't stay awake. So I moved to taking dose w/dinner. That worked for a while, then I started catching a *buzz* in the evening and I was up all nite cleaning house. Moved to afternoons and still had trouble going to bed, so now I'm back to taking in the morning again.

For me the tiredness, lethargy, etc. was deffinitely a side effect of the Lex, I have none of those problems now. I would have to force myself to get out of bed and get moving, and it really seemed like after a while the *tired* feeling was all in my lazy head, as when I got the body moving, the head decided it really wasn't tired after all. I really hope my *goofy* descriptive style is not annoying, but I try to write what I remember *feeling* at the time.

Hope this helps!~~~8|8

 

Re: paxil to lexapro

Posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 17:03:01

In reply to Re: paxil to lexapro » leedsman, posted by Mariposa on September 14, 2003, at 16:52:24

Mariposa, thanks for the input, that gives me more hope.If you remember anything else, please let me know

 

Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl

Posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 17:10:36

In reply to Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by Dr. Bob on June 11, 2002, at 7:52:48

Anybody feel better when it gets dark or closer to bedtime, it seems to happen to me. How about you Mariposa, I was curious if that happened to you.

 

Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? » leedsman

Posted by galkeepinon on September 14, 2003, at 18:38:57

In reply to Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 17:10:36

Yeah, I feel better, for some reason, when it gets dark. I find myself having more energy for some reason.


> Anybody feel better when it gets dark or closer to bedtime, it seems to happen to me. How about you Mariposa, I was curious if that happened to you.

 

re: The Women ARE Great ~~Jim and Wayne:-)

Posted by galkeepinon on September 14, 2003, at 19:03:56

In reply to re: The Women ARE Great !!!!, posted by BLKVETTES on September 14, 2003, at 11:54:06

Thank you very much Jim, appreciate your kind words:-) You, and many others have been a profound help to a lot of people here too! This board is truly blessed.
I enjoy being able to help others who have had medication problems, questions, need support, or just want to hear experience. I know that's why I started coming to this board:-)
(((hugs)))
Thanks again for your support:-)


> > We have been blessed with this current class of cadets here alright ...
> > ... ... Praise Be to The Women !!
> >
> > ... GalKeepinOn
> > ... Arrianna
> > ... Esmarelda
> > ... Mariposa
> > ... you have each been so active, helpful and supportive ... thank you very much ... ... i know many of our lex threaders feel the same way ...
> >
> >
> > AND! trucker, Renee the Ump, sassyveg, ELENI4, KayJ, Lex Poster Girl ... (and quietly in the background i see pumpkin and oldhand ... ... maybe DC?) ... (do i recall or did i just read the posts of EGR, sadsack, bozeman?) and many others who have made valuable, thoughtful and often vital contributions as well ... ... thanks gals !
> >
> > so ...
> >
> > ... You Go, Girls !
> > ... ... you have been great
> > ... we have all been blessed to have you here ...
> > ... and i am grateful to each of you ....
> >
> >
> > bless you,
> > ~ jim
> >
> > (how'd i do Wayne?)
>
> Hi Jim, knowing you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You did not miss anyone!!!!!!!! Guess we should change subject before that little warning is posted by our friend!!!!! TAKE CARE!!!!!!
> WAYNE
>
>

 

Re: paxil to lexapro » leedsman

Posted by galkeepinon on September 14, 2003, at 19:08:03

In reply to Re: paxil to lexapro, posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 14:55:08

Hang in there~~~I'm about to finish up my 6th week, and I still have some fatigue.
Keep us posted:-) I am happy to hear that you are giving the Lexapro somewhat of a chance:-)

> Thank you for your replies. This morning I feel terrible, I have muscle aches in my shoulders and neck , am very tired , probably partially from high pollen alergy count. Today I start my 5th week of 10 mg. lexapro and am still waiting for this stuff to kick in. I took a little Klonopin to ease what I feel might be a little anxiety, but it has made me more sedated feeling.
> If I am up and about already the Klonopin does not make me tired but just calms me, but now I feel like I am so tired that Im just want to lay in bed and do nothing, I really hate this whole feeling, please help

 

Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl

Posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 20:39:55

In reply to Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by Dr. Bob on June 11, 2002, at 7:52:48

While I start my 5th week of Lexapro 10mg. what about the time I started on 5mg.Lexapro a week before that , did that help? Or the week before that when I was on Paxil 12.5 mg CR one day and 5 mg. Lexapro the next for a week. I have been off Paxil cold turkey for 5 weeks now, could I still be suffering from some kind of Paxil withdrawal besides taking Lexapro now. I know Wayne said it could be a combo of both, but I am having this sinus burning feeling, anybody ever have that? Like your sinus feel inflammed but are not and congestion in the morning. Any one else t out there have any input?

 

Lexapro Side Effects

Posted by PHV on September 14, 2003, at 21:25:44

In reply to Re: paxil to lexapro » leedsman, posted by Mariposa on September 14, 2003, at 16:52:24

Help -

I've been taking 10mg of Lexapro for just a little over ten weeks now for depression. I noticed significant improvement almost immediately and really felt back to my old self. Suddenly today, I have been so anxious and feel like I'm ready to jump out of my skin. I have never had problems with anxiety in the past and am wondering if it's a side effect of Lexapro or perhaps my body's way of telling me I no longer need it? Ten years ago I was on Serzone for approximately six months for depression. My doc at the time told me my body would tell me when I no longer needed the meds. Butterflies in the stomach and overall anxious feelings seemed to come about the time my doc said I was okay to stop taking meds. I was able to withdraw with no problems. Though depression runs in my family, I'm generally not reliant upon meds to get me though. However, the past year has been overwhelming with the deaths of three people very close to me, cancer diagnosis in my father, and two other people who have been my rocks my entire life, moving across country. Now that I seem to be feeling better and accepting all of the difficult situations in my life recently, could the anxiety be an indication that I no longer need Lexapro? Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Patty

 

Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? » leedsman

Posted by galkeepinon on September 14, 2003, at 23:15:53

In reply to Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 20:39:55

>>>>>I am having this sinus burning feeling, anybody ever have that?

Yep, I had that coming of another anti-depressant~EffexorXR. I also got that feeling when I overdosed on Klonopin, and my doc took me off it abruptly. I was getting the 'congestion' and pain right smack dab in the middle of my forehead. I hope you feel better, I'm not sure what causes this, but I've had it on numerous occasions, becuase I have withdrawn off so many medications over the years.

 

Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl » leedsman

Posted by Arrianna on September 15, 2003, at 0:05:35

In reply to Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 20:39:55

Leedsman,

Yes, I experience the sinus congestion, too. It's in the morning for me as well and then eventually subsides throughout the day. I've had this for the last couple of years though, so I know it's not from Lexapro since I've only been on it for 2 months.

I thought it was from my smoking. Yet, the funny thing for me is when I first started taking Lex, the congestion went away!! It was awesome, so I chalked it up to being from anxiety: tightness in the throat, hard to swallow: the pysical symptoms from it, etc.

But, it's come back for me again. It presented itself again after a couple missed doses, so now I really don't know. Anyways, just wanted to let you know I got it, too. Hope it'll get better for you.

Arrianna


> While I start my 5th week of Lexapro 10mg. what about the time I started on 5mg.Lexapro a week before that , did that help? Or the week before that when I was on Paxil 12.5 mg CR one day and 5 mg. Lexapro the next for a week. I have been off Paxil cold turkey for 5 weeks now, could I still be suffering from some kind of Paxil withdrawal besides taking Lexapro now. I know Wayne said it could be a combo of both, but I am having this sinus burning feeling, anybody ever have that? Like your sinus feel inflammed but are not and congestion in the morning. Any one else t out there have any input?

 

Re: Lexapro Side Effects » PHV

Posted by Arrianna on September 15, 2003, at 0:19:41

In reply to Lexapro Side Effects, posted by PHV on September 14, 2003, at 21:25:44

Patty,

I'm so sorry to hear of your losses. It must have been such a difficult and tragic year for you. I'm so sorry.

Sounds like you're moving through it with much resilience.

I wish I had an answer for you regarding your quesition. Though, I've never heard that there are pysical indications that your ready to come off your med. Hopefully others will better be able to help you with that.

Yet, I can really identify with the anxious feelings of butterflies in the stomach and feeling like you want to just jump out of your skin. It's not a fun feeling. I'm on lexapro for anxiety, but this feeling is differen't than the anxiety and panic attacks I've had before Lexapro. So, I'm really not sure what this is about.

Do you feel your ready to go off your meds? Have you talked to your doctor about it? Don't want to tell you what to do, but you may want to talk to your doc. or wait for a clearer answer here from this board, before you make a definite decision.

Hang in there and stay strong! Good Luck!
Arrianna


> Help -
>
> I've been taking 10mg of Lexapro for just a little over ten weeks now for depression. I noticed significant improvement almost immediately and really felt back to my old self. Suddenly today, I have been so anxious and feel like I'm ready to jump out of my skin. I have never had problems with anxiety in the past and am wondering if it's a side effect of Lexapro or perhaps my body's way of telling me I no longer need it? Ten years ago I was on Serzone for approximately six months for depression. My doc at the time told me my body would tell me when I no longer needed the meds. Butterflies in the stomach and overall anxious feelings seemed to come about the time my doc said I was okay to stop taking meds. I was able to withdraw with no problems. Though depression runs in my family, I'm generally not reliant upon meds to get me though. However, the past year has been overwhelming with the deaths of three people very close to me, cancer diagnosis in my father, and two other people who have been my rocks my entire life, moving across country. Now that I seem to be feeling better and accepting all of the difficult situations in my life recently, could the anxiety be an indication that I no longer need Lexapro? Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Patty
>
>

 

Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl » leedsman

Posted by Mariposa on September 15, 2003, at 11:42:50

In reply to Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 17:10:36

> Anybody feel better when it gets dark or closer to bedtime, it seems to happen to me. How about you Mariposa, I was curious if that happened to you.

Yes, I would have to agree. I also seem to have more energy in the evenings, have to control myself or I'll stay up all nite CLEANING!!!

 

Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl » leedsman

Posted by Mariposa on September 15, 2003, at 11:48:38

In reply to Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by leedsman on September 14, 2003, at 20:39:55

> While I start my 5th week of Lexapro 10mg. what about the time I started on 5mg.Lexapro a week before that , did that help? Or the week before that when I was on Paxil 12.5 mg CR one day and 5 mg. Lexapro the next for a week. I have been off Paxil cold turkey for 5 weeks now, could I still be suffering from some kind of Paxil withdrawal besides taking Lexapro now. I know Wayne said it could be a combo of both, but I am having this sinus burning feeling, anybody ever have that? Like your sinus feel inflammed but are not and congestion in the morning. Any one else t out there have any input?

Yes I got that Too. Have a little of it now, about 4 weeks at 20mg. But then again I also get allergies this time of year, so it may be a combination of both.

 

Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl

Posted by BLKVETTES on September 15, 2003, at 12:41:23

In reply to Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl » leedsman, posted by Mariposa on September 15, 2003, at 11:42:50

> > Anybody feel better when it gets dark or closer to bedtime, it seems to happen to me. How about you Mariposa, I was curious if that happened to you.
>
> Yes, I would have to agree. I also seem to have more energy in the evenings, have to control myself or I'll stay up all nite CLEANING!!!


Yep, the night is better!!! Maybe its some kind of mental release you get for making it through the unknown of the day. I used to be afraid of sleeping because I knew that feeling would be gone in the morning. TAKE CARE!!!!
WAYNE

 

Increased Night Energy

Posted by Wildflower on September 15, 2003, at 12:49:31

In reply to Re: Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl » leedsman, posted by Mariposa on September 15, 2003, at 11:42:50

> > Anybody feel better when it gets dark or closer to bedtime, it seems to happen to me. How about you Mariposa, I was curious if that happened to you.
>
> Yes, I would have to agree. I also seem to have more energy in the evenings, have to control myself or I'll stay up all nite CLEANING!!!

I'm with you Mariposa. For some reason, I've had a sudden urge to clean at night - which isn't a bad SE. ;-)

For those of you who have this "night energy" when do you take your Lex? Morning? Evening? I take mine in the morning and wonder if I'd have more "morning energy" if I took the med at night.

 

Re: Lexapro Side Effects

Posted by BLKVETTES on September 15, 2003, at 13:08:15

In reply to Lexapro Side Effects, posted by PHV on September 14, 2003, at 21:25:44

> Help -
>
> I've been taking 10mg of Lexapro for just a little over ten weeks now for depression. I noticed significant improvement almost immediately and really felt back to my old self. Suddenly today, I have been so anxious and feel like I'm ready to jump out of my skin. I have never had problems with anxiety in the past and am wondering if it's a side effect of Lexapro or perhaps my body's way of telling me I no longer need it? Ten years ago I was on Serzone for approximately six months for depression. My doc at the time told me my body would tell me when I no longer needed the meds. Butterflies in the stomach and overall anxious feelings seemed to come about the time my doc said I was okay to stop taking meds. I was able to withdraw with no problems. Though depression runs in my family, I'm generally not reliant upon meds to get me though. However, the past year has been overwhelming with the deaths of three people very close to me, cancer diagnosis in my father, and two other people who have been my rocks my entire life, moving across country. Now that I seem to be feeling better and accepting all of the difficult situations in my life recently, could the anxiety be an indication that I no longer need Lexapro? Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Patty
>
>


I truly just wanted to avoid this post all together. But after reading it the last couple of days, what the heck!!!!!! Your post is very unique!! I have read where traumatic events cause the chemicals in the brain to get unbalanced and going on a med sometimes straightens them out after awhile. Even my own situation I believe everything that has happened to me was triggered by events over a 2 year period. That might be true and then again not. Even Jim, I wonder about this also. I have also read where your body will tell you when you hit the right dose. Meaning if a person never has side effects they up the dose until they do. I will tell you this I was on a med before and felt pretty good and then everything went away very quickly. I wont get into why because it was rare. I dont believe anyone here can tell you what to do. As for me I cant take the chance of stopping my med. Once you have had a panic attack its a constant reminder never to stop your med, if your lucky enough to recover. TAKE CARE!!!!!!!
WAYNE

 

Re: Increased Night Energy

Posted by BLKVETTES on September 15, 2003, at 13:18:33

In reply to Increased Night Energy, posted by Wildflower on September 15, 2003, at 12:49:31

> > > Anybody feel better when it gets dark or closer to bedtime, it seems to happen to me. How about you Mariposa, I was curious if that happened to you.
> >
> > Yes, I would have to agree. I also seem to have more energy in the evenings, have to control myself or I'll stay up all nite CLEANING!!!
>
> I'm with you Mariposa. For some reason, I've had a sudden urge to clean at night - which isn't a bad SE. ;-)
>
> For those of you who have this "night energy" when do you take your Lex? Morning? Evening? I take mine in the morning and wonder if I'd have more "morning energy" if I took the med at night.
>
>

I have taken my med at so many different times without finding what I was looking for. I gave up and take it late afternoon. Its something you can try though. We are all different and it might work for you. But depression and anxiety zap your energy. It takes a lot of work to deal with these disorders. Its a constant mental workout that leads to exhaustion. I bet thats why a lot of us wake up so tired. TAKE CARE!!!!!
WAYNE


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