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Posted by TylerJ on April 7, 2006, at 19:00:57
Just wondering about how many people here believe in God, and how many do not.
I do, I've been a Christian for 23 years. Without my faith in God, I would have thrown the towel in a long time ago.
Please, let's don't make this an argument. Some do, some don't, let's just respect and accept eachother no matter what our beliefs.
Tyler
Posted by wildcard11 on April 7, 2006, at 19:31:46
In reply to Do you believe in God-why or why not?, posted by TylerJ on April 7, 2006, at 19:00:57
this will get sent to the faith board but yes, i do believe in GOD. i believe b/c i do not see how i made it through what i have my entire life w/o him. my brothers don't for the same reason i do but i would rather believe in something than nothing...
Posted by Bobby on April 7, 2006, at 20:24:07
In reply to Do you believe in God-why or why not?, posted by TylerJ on April 7, 2006, at 19:00:57
I'm dealing with the devil contractor---so there must be a God. Can't have one without the other.
Posted by special_k on April 7, 2006, at 20:34:43
In reply to Re: Do you believe in God-why or why not?, posted by Bobby on April 7, 2006, at 20:24:07
officially...
i'm agnostic because there is no more reason to believe than to disbelieve...
and because it is a leap of faith either way...
though if you start getting into certain definitions of god...
omni god the all powerful all good / loving kind of agent that is outside space / time yet can effect changes within space / time kind of god...then i think i don't believe in that.
why?
because i think the notion is deeply incoherant.
though many rational people disagree with me...
and spend their lives trying to alter the concept of god so it is coherent and worth worshipping.can't be bothered myself...
Posted by Phillipa on April 7, 2006, at 20:51:29
In reply to Re: Do you believe in God-why or why not?, posted by special_k on April 7, 2006, at 20:34:43
Not to sound conceited or whatever but if I hadn't brought myself up and lived by myself as a child cause no one cared I wouldn't be here so I believe in me. Love Phillipa
Posted by Declan on April 7, 2006, at 21:49:33
In reply to Re: Do you believe in God-why or why not?, posted by special_k on April 7, 2006, at 20:34:43
"God of God, light of light, very God of very God, begotten not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made, who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven" etc etc. It can't be a rational issue (but I love the language). If you don't beleve in God, what sort of a God do you not believe in? (I imagine that's an unacceptable argument) With God, I have no idea what the word means. At least with the Creed you've got it in front of you.
Declan
Posted by TexasChic on April 7, 2006, at 22:08:49
In reply to Re: Do you believe in God-why or why not?, posted by Declan on April 7, 2006, at 21:49:33
I believe there's not enough information one way or another, so why guess? I don't see the reason to have to choose one. To me its like finding a previously undiscovered fossilized animal, and arguing over what the skin color was. It was green. No, it was pink. No, green! Pink!
I'll just keep an open mind until I get more info.
-T
Posted by special_k on April 7, 2006, at 22:19:04
In reply to Re: Do you believe in God-why or why not?, posted by TexasChic on April 7, 2006, at 22:08:49
what kind of info could settle the issue?
Posted by SLS on April 7, 2006, at 22:32:54
In reply to Do you believe in God-why or why not?, posted by TylerJ on April 7, 2006, at 19:00:57
I believe in God. To me, this belief is the only logical outcome to the question, "Why Existence"?
Despite the debatability of that statement, I can assure you that it is my spirituality that has allowed me to live this long.
- Scott
> Just wondering about how many people here believe in God, and how many do not.
>
> I do, I've been a Christian for 23 years. Without my faith in God, I would have thrown the towel in a long time ago.
>
> Please, let's don't make this an argument. Some do, some don't, let's just respect and accept eachother no matter what our beliefs.
>
> Tyler
Posted by gabbi~1 on April 7, 2006, at 23:10:26
In reply to Re: Do you believe in God-why or why not?, posted by SLS on April 7, 2006, at 22:32:54
Yes. But certainly no God that has been popularly depicted by human beings.
I agree with Robert A. Heinlein on that one.
I believe in spirit.
I've seen 2 thing happen, that I could not explain any other way. that sounds so trite, I wish I could give all the details, but probably it would sound too outlandish anyway, or sound like I was exaggerating.I saw a first nations child healed by A native Shaman, and not of a physical illness, she was only 6 but severely disturbed. She hallucinated, she tortured animals .. This was a child I had regular contact with because at the time I worked with troubled children.
She was so young, but so exhausting I would cry after my shift was over.It couldn't have been explained by the attention she recieved from him, as he only spent a couple of hours with her. And her own mother was lovely, and gave her plenty of loving attention.
Anyway, that's one reason I believe in another level of existance that for the most part we are able to comprehend.
Posted by sleepygirl on April 8, 2006, at 1:01:45
In reply to Do you believe in God-why or why not?, posted by TylerJ on April 7, 2006, at 19:00:57
nope, just because it doesn't make "sense" to me
Posted by TylerJ on April 8, 2006, at 1:09:19
This will probably get moved to alternative.
My question is how many people here believe in God, and why or why not?I do and have so for 23 plus years. My family and I are Christians. And for me anyway, I think I would of thrown in the towel many years ago had it not been for my faith.
Please no arguments, preaching, or saying this or that religion is wrong. Let's accept eachother as we are.
Tyler
Posted by pseudoname on April 8, 2006, at 1:09:19
In reply to God and psychiatric illness..., posted by TylerJ on April 7, 2006, at 12:07:38
It will probably get moved to Social.
I do not believe in God at all. I stopped believing at about age 16. I'm now 41.
Posted by Declan on April 8, 2006, at 1:09:20
In reply to No. » TylerJ, posted by pseudoname on April 7, 2006, at 14:15:08
Uuhm, I think God is the word we give to kind of deal with things that happen to our conciousness under the influence of experience. The acquisition of polarity and dualism (cold/hot, good/bad)drives us nuts? (First tea of the day here and it's not working yet.) What type of religion says that this is hell, right here and now? (Those people the Copts have some connection with?) Then of course there's the contrary idea: The kingdom of heaven is spread before you and you don't see it. I like that too. Which is a bit like saying 'this is as good as it gets', which I'm afraid I think is true. I'd go to church if there was a liturgy left worth listening to. This question of 'do you believe it's true' is very much of our time and place. A lot of peoples of the world would think it a bit odd to ask the question. To them it's more a community event than a hypothesis. But in this part of the world such community events are a bit lifeless.
Declan
Posted by bassman on April 8, 2006, at 1:09:21
In reply to God and psychiatric illness..., posted by TylerJ on April 7, 2006, at 12:07:38
That's such a fun question. Hold onto your hat-I truly believe I've been in the presence of God and He's communicated with me (religious experience, not psychosis) and I know what "He" looks like and the depth of the mystery of God. Still with me or have I spooked you out? So to the question, "do you believe in God"-my answer is, "sure, I met Him". But the God I met was nothing like a Christian/Jewish/Islamic God-he was the Creator, totally unjudgmental and uninterested in intervening in the lives of his creatures. Here's the fun part: if I tell someone about the God I met, they'd probably decide I didn't believe in God because "He" was nothing like what they considered God.
Posted by Declan on April 8, 2006, at 1:09:22
In reply to Re: God and psychiatric illness..., posted by bassman on April 7, 2006, at 17:06:00
Ahh, I dunno about this psychosis business, but I saw a bloke in a mental hospital, and he comes up to me with this radiant face, and says 'you know I'm God, don't you?' So, OK, he's charismatic (and psychotic) and I tend to adopt the position of anyone I'm talking to, but anyway I kinda believed him, FWIW.
Declan
Posted by JaclinHyde on April 8, 2006, at 1:09:23
In reply to No. » TylerJ, posted by pseudoname on April 7, 2006, at 14:15:08
I am a unitarian universalist which is a religion that believes that there is truth in all religions. So no, I personally do not believe in God as in some old guy with a beard. I do believe that there is a higher power. A nice analogy for me is that we are all grains of sand and the beach is God. I am also psychic and that was passed down from my grandmother who was a christian but psychic also and had a hard time accepting it. I also do astrology charts.
I know, what a heathen!
JH
Posted by bassman on April 8, 2006, at 1:09:24
In reply to Re: No., posted by JaclinHyde on April 7, 2006, at 18:21:48
I'm a fellow UU heathen. :>} I accept parts of Christianity, Buddhism, Taoism, and Hinduism in my beliefs.
Posted by Declan on April 8, 2006, at 1:09:25
In reply to Re: No., posted by bassman on April 7, 2006, at 18:30:44
Are the ordinary Unitarains belivers in Christianity without the Trinity? I've always been interested in those parts of yhe Nicene Creed about it....being of one substance with the father, substance and person etc. Kinda like the dialectic in Marxism in its inscrutablity.
Declan
Posted by bassman on April 8, 2006, at 1:09:26
In reply to Re: No., posted by Declan on April 7, 2006, at 18:43:45
Unitarian Universalist means "one God" as opposed to Trinitarian (three Gods, "the Trinity") and Universalist mean universal salvation, not just for those that believe in a particular way. But UU honors belief from all religions, much like Hinduism. Some UU congregations are more conservative and seem very Christian; some seem very liberal (accepting)-but most are religiously liberal.
Posted by psychopharmacon on April 8, 2006, at 3:16:27
In reply to Do you believe in God-why or why not?, posted by TylerJ on April 7, 2006, at 19:00:57
I believe in God. Why shouldn't I believe? It can't hurt anyway. I believe God is Love, and I think it's very exciting to reflect over this mystical God. I love Jesus, but maybe I need more faith, I don't know... Anyway, I don't believe God will punish people eternally because of their lack of faith. What is eternity anyway, and who can tell what biblical usage of the word, actually means? Maybe the Bible is more mystical than we Christians have traditionally though, maybe not. I'm still young, so I suppose I will understand more later.
Posted by verne on April 8, 2006, at 6:25:57
In reply to Re: Do you believe in God-why or why not?, posted by psychopharmacon on April 8, 2006, at 3:16:27
I'm with you, God is Love and Spirit, not knowable in earthly terms. There's an unseen supernatural world that is beyond our comprehension.
I experienced God at a full-gospel jacket, Spirit-filled church - the sort with laying on of hands, speaking in tongues, healing, people being "slain in the Spirit" and your basic holy rolling.
Although "God" touched me, I was never comfortable talking about God. In time, I came to reject the idea of God I had in my head, realizing it was a worldly fiction I had created. I knew God was real but any idea or image I had in my head wasn't.
It seemed like everyone had their own version, image, or idea of God. For me it got simpler and simpler when I quit trying to imagine God. Creeds and religions change but Love, and that growing Spirit of Peace, is everlasting.
All I know is that after my spiritual rebirth, Love, Hope, and Peace have increased in my life and nothing has been the same since. I'm still a mess but you should have seen me ten years ago.
vribble
Posted by Sobriquet Style on April 8, 2006, at 6:50:13
In reply to Re: God and psychiatric illness..., posted by bassman on April 7, 2006, at 17:06:00
God's a friend of mine, hope i'm a friend to him.
Not sure about that devil, think s/he crossed my path afew times. Wasn't too impressed with the company.
~
Posted by TexasChic on April 8, 2006, at 8:59:42
In reply to Re: Do you believe in God-why or why not?, posted by special_k on April 7, 2006, at 22:19:04
> what kind of info could settle the issue?
If I knew that, I would probably know the answer. But basically anything that would prove it one way or another. As of now, there is no proof either way.
Maybe God appearing and saying "Hi, I'm God."
-T
Posted by gabbi~1 on April 8, 2006, at 14:52:59
In reply to Re: God and psychiatric illness..., posted by bassman on April 7, 2006, at 17:06:00
Here's the fun part: if I tell someone about the God I met, they'd probably decide I didn't believe in God because "He" was nothing like what they considered God.
that really made me chuckle.
people are so funny aren't they?
You mean you don't believe in a god who will condemn you to eternal torture though you led the best life you could
Why? Because you called "him" by the wrong name that's why!
What happens I wonder, if you can't hear properly and your pronounciation is a bit off?I guess maybe just half an eternity of torture.
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