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Posted by Noddy on August 22, 2007, at 13:24:50
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage? » FredPotter, posted by Kaffy on July 12, 2007, at 11:49:38
I bought the CD, and found some of it interesting; I think some of the material is related to Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.
The advice or techniques are probably useful as part of an overall toolbox to help deal with depression, but in my opinion, it doesn't qualify as a "3 Minute Cure", especially for biologically-based depression.
"3 Minute Depression Cure" is certainly more marketable than "Useful Advice to Help You Manage Your Depression Alongside Diet, Exercise, Supplements, and Medication".
I don't consider this a scam, because they refunded my money when I returned the CD, and because it may be helpful for some people, but I didn't think it was worth $97.
Posted by Kaffy on August 23, 2007, at 18:29:29
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by Noddy on August 22, 2007, at 13:24:50
Noddy, Thank you for an interesting perspective; would you have kept the CD if it had sole for, say, $25? And, as with most things, there cannot be a 'CURE' unless we alter our behaviour - would you agree that that is an important ingredient? Thanks in advance. Kaffy.
Posted by Noddy on August 27, 2007, at 14:02:24
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by Kaffy on August 23, 2007, at 18:29:29
Hi Kaffy,
It was less about the CD being $97 and more about it not being a "cure" (in my experience); if the CD had been advertised as a useful addition to existing treatments for depression, then sure, I might have been willing to pay $25 for such information, though I probably would have gone out and bought a book instead, since I can at least browse it before I buy.
Now, did I REALLY expect that something advertised on the Internet for $97 would be a magical cure for depression? No, not really, but I figured I'd risk it on the small chance that there was something new and wonderful here, and they did issue me a refund --- no questions asked --- so I can't complain.
As for your comment on altering behaviour, I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that altering behaviour is a necessary part of effecting a cure, or that a successful cure will result in alteration of behavior?
Thanks,
Noddy
> Noddy, Thank you for an interesting perspective; would you have kept the CD if it had sole for, say, $25? And, as with most things, there cannot be a 'CURE' unless we alter our behaviour - would you agree that that is an important ingredient? Thanks in advance. Kaffy.
Posted by Kaffy on August 27, 2007, at 15:51:38
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by Noddy on August 27, 2007, at 14:02:24
<snip> As for your comment on altering behaviour, I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that altering behaviour is a necessary part of effecting a cure, or that a successful cure will result in alteration of behavior?
Thanks,
Noddy
<snip>
Noddy,
Thank you for your explanation of your experience; I can understand same. I also would rather peruse a book - or many books prior to deciding which one, if any...
My comment: I guess I was 'thinking out loud' - and am thinking that our approach to finding 'cures' are a result of any/all of: medical, mental, physical input/thought processes, practice, etc., all of which in my experience have had the outcome of a change in behavior. My behavior changed with medication - some good, some I just needed to live with; mental, either due to self-realization or with assistance of a professional who knew HOW to help, and physical, either by stopping a bad habit, or doing exercises, changing what we can do for ourselves, either socially or other input. Not very well put, but it's the old "action-reaction" put in other words. So, yes, I believe that SUCCESS, or the REACHING for it does make for a change in behavior...and vice versa - it is WE who must CHANGE or ENDURE a change to obtain that hoped-for cure. I did not intend to make my words seem that they worked both ways, but in writing this, I think it is so. We pay a price even when we are NOT heard (NO CHANGE)- that is the saddest part. I am so tired of not being "heard", or needing to tell my story to too many people before I find one who can relate, and also is in a position to help - then does, with as much commitment as I have, in needing to be well. Sorry about all of that "stuff".
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SHORT ANSWER: YES TO BOTH.
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Posted by Noddy on August 28, 2007, at 18:07:46
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by Kaffy on August 27, 2007, at 15:51:38
Hi Kaffy,
Everything you wrote makes sense to me. I think there are so many different factors involved.
I too get tired of not being heard or of not finding someone who can understand or relate.I used to hope that I could overcome everything and be "normal" (whatever the hell that means). Then I felt there was no chance for me to overcome this, which made me feel even worse. Now I think that this is something I must live with, but maybe I can learn to live with it and still have good and useful things in my life.
Depression is bad, but to me, feeling helpless about depression and powerless to change is worse, so I think it is best to keep working on change and healing, and even if I'm fooling myself, at least I can give myself a goal in the meantime.
All the Best,
Noddy
> Thank you for your explanation of your experience; I can understand same. I also would rather peruse a book - or many books prior to deciding which one, if any...
> My comment: I guess I was 'thinking out loud' - and am thinking that our approach to finding 'cures' are a result of any/all of: medical, mental, physical input/thought processes, practice, etc., all of which in my experience have had the outcome of a change in behavior. My behavior changed with medication - some good, some I just needed to live with; mental, either due to self-realization or with assistance of a professional who knew HOW to help, and physical, either by stopping a bad habit, or doing exercises, changing what we can do for ourselves, either socially or other input. Not very well put, but it's the old "action-reaction" put in other words. So, yes, I believe that SUCCESS, or the REACHING for it does make for a change in behavior...and vice versa - it is WE who must CHANGE or ENDURE a change to obtain that hoped-for cure. I did not intend to make my words seem that they worked both ways, but in writing this, I think it is so. We pay a price even when we are NOT heard (NO CHANGE)- that is the saddest part. I am so tired of not being "heard", or needing to tell my story to too many people before I find one who can relate, and also is in a position to help - then does, with as much commitment as I have, in needing to be well. Sorry about all of that "stuff".
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> SHORT ANSWER: YES TO BOTH.
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Posted by Larry Hoover on August 28, 2007, at 19:57:16
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by Noddy on August 28, 2007, at 18:07:46
> Hi Kaffy,
>
> Everything you wrote makes sense to me. I think there are so many different factors involved.
> I too get tired of not being heard or of not finding someone who can understand or relate.
>
> I used to hope that I could overcome everything and be "normal" (whatever the hell that means). Then I felt there was no chance for me to overcome this, which made me feel even worse. Now I think that this is something I must live with, but maybe I can learn to live with it and still have good and useful things in my life.
>
> Depression is bad, but to me, feeling helpless about depression and powerless to change is worse, so I think it is best to keep working on change and healing, and even if I'm fooling myself, at least I can give myself a goal in the meantime.
>
> All the Best,
>
> NoddyI think you said that quite well. Cope, and hope.
Lar
Posted by Kaffy on August 28, 2007, at 23:06:17
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage? » Noddy, posted by Larry Hoover on August 28, 2007, at 19:57:16
Noddy,
WOW, My sentiments exactly!
Re: "Depression is bad, but to me, feeling helpless about depression and powerless to change is worse" That *helpless* feeling is horrible for me, because I can be a 'control freak', and have always expected, or set goals possibly too high. ...but then, my parents also expected near-perfection (from my viewpoint) from me, without understanding my restrictions of depression, which they did not pick up on, and my attempts at telling "a little" was attributed to "growing pains", etc. So, since around puberty, I've 'lived with it', and managed to have a successful career - but I certainly would have enjoyed it much more had I not needed to work so hard to overcome the 'demons'. I'm now trying to put some of this on paper for social security people, but they want doctors' documentation, etc. ...yeah, like every complaint, although consistent, has been documented?! It took 20 years for someone to finally test me for sleep apnea! And the response I get when I tell my doc that I find myself holding my breath during the day is "why?" - as if I do it on purpose, for the non-high from lack of oxygen. No, I think I'd choose another form of suicide, thanks. She knows that I 'think' about it, and asks periodically, but I tell her I'm too nosey for 'tomorrow' to do anything - that I'd fumble anyway, ha ha. I think the idea of suicide is more of "stop the world, I want to get off", until I can get myself and my environmet squared away - then I'll take on the problems awaiting me, but please, take a number!
Wow, am I lying down on the imaginary sofa or what? thanks for listening, and letting me get this OUT! I am Kathleen in PA, and glad to know you, Noddy. I welcome responses/impressions/remarks to my rantings...I think we have more insight to this shared present from Hell than those without it. But answers? No, just a day-to-day struggle to be what we know we can be.
Posted by Noddy on August 31, 2007, at 8:44:39
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by Kaffy on August 28, 2007, at 23:06:17
Hi Kaffy,
I sent a Babblemail in response to your post.
Posted by Kaffy on August 31, 2007, at 19:27:01
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by Noddy on August 31, 2007, at 8:44:39
Noddy; Thank You! Are you my twin? Will respond as soon as private time permits. so much to share w/ea other. I'll have to figure out how to do babblemail; I have the 'babble' down, fer sure!
Posted by merryp on February 19, 2008, at 12:43:41
In reply to Re: Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid?, posted by Mike Freeman on November 28, 2006, at 21:04:25
I just sent a reply to Mikes latest marketing-email.
This guy really makes me mad.
Here is what I said:
I am sorry, Mike. But your claims sound totally outrageous.
What I will do is research the possibility of your marketing, including the Squidoo-lens you have set up where you encourage people to quit their life-saving medicines in favor of your "cure", being misleading and damaging.
I do not deny that there are ways to combat depression and bipolar depression. I do claim, however, that what you are doing is immoral and can be construed as putting people where suicidal ideation is more common than not, where suicide is often attempted, at severe risk.
I do hope you have a lawyer that is as solid as your account with authorize.net. I do hope you have made a lot of money from your "cure" and from the other online ventures you talk about.
You really ought to be ashamed of yourself, Mike. If it is true that you have lived through and successfully combated Bipolar disease the least you could do is to offer a free review-copy to one of the Psycho-Babble participants under promise of them not revealing the exact nature of your cure.
But I guess losing that money is more important to you than anything else.
Regards,
(my full name).I received a formmail informing me that a reply may take up to seven days from "[xxx]", and am looking forward to Mikes reply.
I may add that I have researched multiple interventions for BP. Many of them have offered me relief, and most of them have been offered by people who come across as generous and compassionate. I have looked at physical therapies, diet, nutrition, various therapies ranging from Reichian Vegetotherapy to group therapy, kinesology (sp?) and more.
I understand that Mike needs to make money. Who doesn't? But he does not come across as any of the practitioners I have met.
The Squidoo-lenses I talk about is at http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/TerriCoolGirl . The claims by this Squidoo-user all leads to Mikes website.
He talks about side effects of various drug-therapies. I am sure that many of us, including me, can relate to this. And this makes it even worse, especially in light of the Terms of use-page of his site ("the information offered here is only for entertainment" or something).
I notice that I am getting more and more grumpy as I write, so I will shut up now.
Be well, all
MerryP
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 22, 2008, at 0:45:56
In reply to Re: Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid?, posted by merryp on February 19, 2008, at 12:43:41
> what you are doing is immoral
>
> I received a formmail informing me that a reply may take up to seven days from "[xxx]"Welcome! And please remember not to post anything here that could lead others to feel accused or put down or to disclose without permission information that identifies them. Even if you disagree with what they're doing.
But please don't take this personally, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person.
I encourage anyone who has questions about this or about posting policies in general, or is interested in alternative ways of expressing themselves, to see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by jonnycomelately on February 29, 2008, at 21:29:09
In reply to Re: Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid? » Mike Freeman, posted by JLx on November 29, 2006, at 8:48:24
It seems that deceptive practises are being used to market the $97 3 min depression audio CD.
There are half a dozen hubpost pages by "JR_King" that don't ring true and all point to the 3 min cure selling page.
Other posters have said that he tries to create urgency by claiming that the page is in danger of being removed.
If you have a lazy $97 it might be worth a try. I did read that he honours the money back guarantee.
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 3, 2008, at 3:31:27
In reply to 3 Minute Depression Cure deceptive marketing., posted by jonnycomelately on February 29, 2008, at 21:29:09
> It seems that deceptive practises are being used
>
> There are half a dozen hubpost pages by "JR_King" that don't ring trueI might think the above could lead others (such as Mike) to feel accused or put down:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
but I'd like to try something a little different and invite posters to take a larger role in maintaining the supportive nature of this site. If you think the above is an issue, too, could you use the "notify administrators" button to let us know? As usual, we'll keep to ourselves who if anyone notifies us. And further discussion should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. Thanks,
Bob
Posted by KeepinOn on May 4, 2008, at 18:13:57
In reply to Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid?, posted by blueberry on November 28, 2006, at 21:03:38
I just saw his site for the first time a few days ago, but it turned out great because searching for it again is how I found this site!
I am suspicious, not of people who are selling something, but people who are not upfront that they are selling something and/or secretive about what they are selling, and although I was curious, his site set off all my caution alerts.
I'd be interested in hearing some positive feedback. Sadly, many businesses use employees, friends, and/or family to post glowing testimonials, but again there is good news - Dr. Bob has made registering so challenging, (or was that just me??? *lol*), that I don't think too many of them would go through the process here. Thanks, Dr. Bob! *smile*
Posted by diablo esquire on May 5, 2008, at 2:34:58
In reply to Re: Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid?, posted by KeepinOn on May 4, 2008, at 18:13:57
I havn't reviewed all the contextual framework for this site at least recently, hope I'm not exceeding any guidelines by pointing out the obvious that this site is hosted by a mental health professional and would seem on occasion he could provide some guidance on seemingly clear cut fraudulent claims such as the one under discusion while people are lanquishing...or are we just some kind of Milgram subjects under a microscope for his research? Reminded of the Hitchock Movie The Trouble with Harry where the omnipresent corpse is the cause of various interpretation and speculation... I will in due course go back and review all the contextual information, I have been getting peppered with email myselt asking for advice that should be ethical consideration for the host of this site...
> I just saw his site for the first time a few days ago, but it turned out great because searching for it again is how I found this site!
>
> I am suspicious, not of people who are selling something, but people who are not upfront that they are selling something and/or secretive about what they are selling, and although I was curious, his site set off all my caution alerts.
>
> I'd be interested in hearing some positive feedback. Sadly, many businesses use employees, friends, and/or family to post glowing testimonials, but again there is good news - Dr. Bob has made registering so challenging, (or was that just me??? *lol*), that I don't think too many of them would go through the process here. Thanks, Dr. Bob! *smile*
Posted by seriouslowitch on May 5, 2008, at 8:27:46
In reply to Re: Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid? » Mike Freeman, posted by JLx on November 29, 2006, at 8:48:24
I sent his mail to him:
Hello Mike!
I´ve read a lot of posts in different forums against your cure, and almost
all of them are complainig about the high price. If you really want to help
somebody, why only the richest of us? I believe you would have been much
more popular and that you can sell 100 times more if you set down the price
to 30 - 40 $ which is a normal price for a self help cure. There is a reason
why cheap supermarkets sells more than others and make billions of dollars
very fast. I think your high price only will hurt your reputation.
There are millions of depressed people in the world, but only a few of them
have enough money for this cure. Do you want that only rich people shall be
happy? It doesn´t make sense....I didn´t get any answer and he kicked me out of his mailing list.... Only rich people who are willing to pay are welcome in his party...
I will for that reason encourage people who know what the cure is, to reveal it here. Let us show this person that we don´t like this kind of bad business.
Posted by DMV on May 9, 2008, at 4:36:42
In reply to Re: invitation to help set the tone here, posted by Dr. Bob on March 3, 2008, at 3:31:27
I have actually bought Mike Freeman's The 3-Minute Depression Cure. I live in South Africa and it cost me approximately ZAR750.00
I have been suffering from depression for 7 or 8 years now and was on anti-dpressants (Effexor & Paxil) for over 30 months. I no longer take anti-depressants - stopped about 75 days ago. Rather, I have been taking the following outlined approach:
1. Supplementation, diet and lifestyle in alignment with Patrick Holford's Optimum Nutrition for the Mind;
2. Working with a 'Life Coach' since end October 2007, and
3. A number of personal endeavours in developing self-awareness & actualisation.It is within point number 3 above that I came to purchase and am using Mike Freeman's The 3-Minute Depression Cure.
I wish to validate (in terms of my understanding of life) that the content and approach that Mike Freeman has taken in The 3-Minute Depression Cure is truthful and accurate. I feel that I have received a fair and equitable exchange of value and would recommend it to anyone who feels that an improved understanding & self-awareness can help them.
Mike Freeman's approach to marketing may be a little overzealous, however, I do not believe that alone warrants such negative posts as made by some of the people in this regard.
How does one really put a price on ones happiness and wellbeing anyway?
Thank you, my Best Wishes & Life's Blessings for each of You... DMV
> > It seems that deceptive practises are being used
> >
> > There are half a dozen hubpost pages by "JR_King" that don't ring true
>
> I might think the above could lead others (such as Mike) to feel accused or put down:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> but I'd like to try something a little different and invite posters to take a larger role in maintaining the supportive nature of this site. If you think the above is an issue, too, could you use the "notify administrators" button to let us know? As usual, we'll keep to ourselves who if anyone notifies us. And further discussion should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. Thanks,
>
> Bob
Posted by seriouslowitch on May 9, 2008, at 5:15:18
In reply to Re: invitation to help set the tone here » Dr. Bob, posted by DMV on May 9, 2008, at 4:36:42
How does one really put a price on ones happiness and wellbeing anyway?
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Is Mike really happy? Why doesn´t he show it?I have never met a happy person who need to get rich by pick his neighbor´s pockets.
I think real happiness comes by serving others and not your own ego.......
Posted by Kaffy on May 9, 2008, at 10:31:15
In reply to Re: invitation to help set the tone here » Dr. Bob, posted by DMV on May 9, 2008, at 4:36:42
DMV said: "I wish to validate (in terms of my understanding of life) that the content and approach that Mike Freeman has taken in The 3-Minute Depression Cure is truthful and accurate. I feel that I have received a fair and equitable exchange of value and would recommend it to anyone who feels that an improved understanding & self-awareness can help them."
DMV, you have not answered the request for *more detailed information* on the 'approach'. This Forum is meant to SHARE information & help one another. Would you please take the time to do that? In doing so, someone else just might give it a try.
DMV also said: "How does one really put a price on ones happiness and wellbeing anyway?"
DMV, included in the *price* is the opportunity to discuss, one-on-one WITH our PHYSICIAN, who explains issues and treatments to us, and we also have the opportunity to ask questions until we are both satisfied with the best course to take.
I am willing to pay 'whatever' for that! I do not purchase anything in a brown paper bag, not knowing what is inside. Even Cracker Jack (tm) "prizes" give you some carmeled corn, and you know you're at least getting that.If you are here to add significant information, please do so. Thanks.
Posted by seriouslowitch on May 10, 2008, at 1:00:52
In reply to Re: invitation to help set the tone here, posted by Kaffy on May 9, 2008, at 10:31:15
I think DMV is a "friend" of Mike or in worst case maybe Mike himself who want to promote this product on this site.
The text in his post sounds like that....
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 10, 2008, at 3:03:24
In reply to Re: invitation to help set the tone here, posted by seriouslowitch on May 10, 2008, at 1:00:52
> I think DMV is a "friend" of Mike or in worst case maybe Mike himself who want to promote this product on this site.
Please don't jump to conclusions about others or post anything that could lead others to feel accused.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person. And DMV, I'm sorry if you felt hurt.
I encourage anyone who has questions about this or about posting policies in general to see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by okydoky on May 17, 2008, at 12:33:42
In reply to Re: invitation to help set the tone here » Dr. Bob, posted by DMV on May 9, 2008, at 4:36:42
I have actually bought Mike Freeman's The 3-Minute Depression Cure. I live in South Africa and it cost me approximately ZAR750.00
>
> I have been suffering from depression for 7 or 8 years now and was on anti-dpressants (Effexor & Paxil) for over 30 months. I no longer take anti-depressants - stopped about 75 days ago. Rather, I have been taking the following outlined approach:
> 1. Supplementation, diet and lifestyle in alignment with Patrick Holford's Optimum Nutrition for the Mind;
> 2. Working with a 'Life Coach' since end October 2007, and
> 3. A number of personal endeavours in developing self-awareness & actualisation.
>
> It is within point number 3 above that I came to purchase and am using Mike Freeman's The 3-Minute Depression Cure.
>
> I wish to validate (in terms of my understanding of life) that the content and approach that Mike Freeman has taken in The 3-Minute Depression Cure is truthful and accurate. I feel that I have received a fair and equitable exchange of value and would recommend it to anyone who feels that an improved understanding & self-awareness can help them.
>
> Mike Freeman's approach to marketing may be a little overzealous, however, I do not believe that alone warrants such negative posts as made by some of the people in this regard.
>
> How does one really put a price on ones happiness and wellbeing anyway?
>
> Thank you, my Best Wishes & Life's Blessings for each of You... DMV
>
>
"How does one really put a price on ones happiness and wellbeing anyway?"If one could afford a "Life Coach"!!! But shelling out money (exchange) that most of us do not even have "exchange of value and would recommend it to anyone who feels that an improved understanding & self-awareness can help them."
for "an improved understanding & self-awareness" and being left with no "cure" and little or no money left towards a possible cure yet perhaps from an improved understanding of self a greater sense of hopelessness and despair for it and no "Life Coach" to coach us through it all.
Please update us as to your continued improvement, although you never state at all that you are improved only that you discontinued taking medication after only two antidepressant trials. What happened during the about 5 years you were not on these medications? What prompted you to post here for the first time and how did you find us?
Hoping the bet for you,
oky
Posted by elanor roosevelt on June 10, 2008, at 22:55:11
In reply to Re: invitation to help set the tone here » DMV, posted by okydoky on May 17, 2008, at 12:33:42
perhaps we just tire of people popping on and claiming to have a non-medical solution to their depression
that said i do resent anything that even suggests a pitch for a product
hey maybe we can start a new section for miracle cures
Posted by okydoky on June 11, 2008, at 10:34:32
In reply to a new tone, posted by elanor roosevelt on June 10, 2008, at 22:55:11
I think for some people depending on what is wrong. Depression is a catch all. If they believe it enough ti is almost like hypnotism. Great for them.
oky
Posted by Kaffy on June 11, 2008, at 12:03:02
In reply to Re: a new tone, posted by okydoky on June 11, 2008, at 10:34:32
> I think for some people depending on what is wrong. Depression is a catch all. If they believe it enough ti is almost like hypnotism. Great for them.
>
> oky
>
For SURE, I'm determined to be depressed! And my chemical imbalance has nothing to do with it. You do make a point, for those who are NOT under a doctor(s) care. Just as some like to have 'problems' to get attention, yet will not listen to advice - heaven forbid it solves the 'problem'.
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