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Posted by mike lynch on August 31, 2004, at 17:53:21
In reply to Re: this is a petition to GET CHEMIST BACK--karen, posted by alesta on August 31, 2004, at 15:23:23
This forum is seriously to strict..apparently he was being sarcastic or something and that got him blocked..I just skimmed through it but that's what I got out of it I couldn't see anything else wrong..in my opinion dr. bob goes a little to far trying to keep the peace...
Posted by TheOutsider on August 31, 2004, at 17:53:22
In reply to Re: this is a petition to GET CHEMIST BACK--karen, posted by mike lynch on August 31, 2004, at 15:29:55
I for one would like to see chemist back, his experties are invalueble!
Posted by karen m. on August 31, 2004, at 17:53:23
In reply to Re: this is a petition to GET CHEMIST BACK--karen, posted by alesta on August 31, 2004, at 15:23:23
that is exactly what i am saying! i am on your side!
Posted by mike lynch on August 31, 2004, at 17:53:23
In reply to Re: this is a petition to GET CHEMIST BACK--karen, posted by mike lynch on August 31, 2004, at 15:29:55
> let me be sure i understand you correctly: there are certain foods and vitamins i can take that will enhance my self-esteem? i am always interested in bettering myself, and if you can provide the appropriate references/etc. that bolsters your claim, i will be in your debt...
>
> chemistSo apparently He got blocked for this statement?? I'd express my opinion about this..but I'd fear that I to would get blocked..
Posted by alesta on August 31, 2004, at 17:53:24
In reply to Re: this is a petition to GET CHEMIST BACK--karen » alesta, posted by karen m. on August 31, 2004, at 15:36:52
karen, i'm so sorry...totally misunderstood you...i've been having a bad couple of days and am really emotional right now...and it just gets worse as we speak...please accept my apology...
amy :)
Posted by linkadge on August 31, 2004, at 17:53:24
In reply to Re: where has chemist gone? whats happened now?, posted by mike lynch on August 31, 2004, at 15:06:32
I don't specifically see the post in which chemist was blocked. Does anyone know where that is ?
Linkadge
Posted by SLS on August 31, 2004, at 17:53:25
In reply to Re: where has chemist gone? whats happened now?, posted by linkadge on August 31, 2004, at 16:35:08
> I don't specifically see the post in which chemist was blocked. Does anyone know where that is ?
>
>
> Linkadgehttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20040717/msgs/384580.html
Posted by HappyGirl on August 31, 2004, at 17:53:26
In reply to EVERYONE PLEASE SIGN THIS!!!, posted by alesta on August 31, 2004, at 13:29:58
Hi:
Upon having dxed with Bp II close to six years ago, I joined 'Internet Bp support Group' which was SO terrific that there were many, many knowledgeable folks coming to the site with a good informations/inputs to those who need a help very badly, and often E.R. basis. However, this site/Support Group were all gone now due to some of 'languages' used by VERY informative posters. I still grieved VERY deeply over the loss of this 'support' group, because I met a lot of helpful and kind-hearted folks there. A disappearance of that site, 'terrific and wonderful Support Group' was because of 'NON-supervision,' ... simply posters could say anything they wanted. Right before having taken down the site, 'owner'/creater of this site explained the reason clearly with a lot of disappointment ... you, posters did NOT follow 'rules' on the Internet, ... for this, the creater appeared to have gotten into a trouble. Also, there seems a 'cyber cop' or something like that partrolling once awhile. Even here, in Internet there are RULES to follow in order to maintain any of Support Group, not only here, Psycho-Babble also all other S.G.s.
Hopefully, Chemist coming back soon.
H.G.
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 31, 2004, at 18:06:03
In reply to For people who do NOT want him back..., posted by becksA on August 31, 2004, at 14:07:51
> he definnitly took it a step too far and seemed to always want to be the superior one....He came across as being somewhat childish at times in his demeanor
Please don't jump to conclusions about others or post anything that could lead them to feel accused or put down.
If you or anyone else has questions about this or about posting policies in general, or is interested in alternative ways of expressing oneself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Also, follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by zeugma on August 31, 2004, at 18:11:15
In reply to Re: blocked from posting » chemist » flmm » TomG, posted by Dr. Bob on August 31, 2004, at 7:51:34
> > let me be sure i understand you correctly: there are certain foods and vitamins i can take that will enhance my self-esteem? i am always interested in bettering myself, and if you can provide the appropriate references/etc. that bolsters your claim, i will be in your debt...
> >
> > chemist
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> > Chemist, please, you drip of sarcasm! You are far to anylitcal for your own good! It is difficult to function in the world for you I understand.
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> > flmm
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> > I wish I had a robot's voice coming out of my PC speakers to read the chemist's posts.
> >
> > TomG
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> Please don't be sarcastic, jump to conclusions about others, or post anything that could lead them to feel accused or put down. I've asked you to be civil before, so now I'm going to block you from posting. For 4 weeks, 1 week, and 1 week.
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> Sharing something about your own issues and their possible role in your reaction might be an interesting exercise -- and might help others respond to you supportively.
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> If you or anyone else has questions about this or about posting policies in general, or is interested in alternative ways of expressing oneself, please see the FAQ:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
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> Thanks,
>
> BobDr.Bob, it seems that the post from chemist here is more an example of irony than sarcasm. An ironic utterance is inherently ambiguous so it seems difficult to use this particular comment as grounds for blocking. If it stood on its own and received no response would he have been banned?
-z
Posted by zeugma on August 31, 2004, at 18:13:55
In reply to Re: blocked from posting » Dr. Bob, posted by zeugma on August 31, 2004, at 18:11:15
Or if it had received literal responses about the merits of various supplements, nutritional products, etc., as many posters are happy to give?
Posted by karen m. on August 31, 2004, at 18:30:57
In reply to Re: this is a petition to GET CHEMIST BACK--karen, posted by alesta on August 31, 2004, at 16:00:29
> karen, i'm so sorry...totally misunderstood you...i've been having a bad couple of days and am really emotional right now...and it just gets worse as we speak...please accept my apology...
>
> amy :)i'm sorry too...i was just so angry i didn't make myself clear.
Posted by Shadowplayers721 on August 31, 2004, at 18:50:27
In reply to Re: blocked from posting, posted by zeugma on August 31, 2004, at 18:13:55
It seems a common problem on Babble world that a debate issue comes up. Maybe, I should say a difference of opinion. Well, that's fine.
However, the problem comes in when people start saying things like one must be a potatoe head or look like 4 headed monster or be talking out of a smelly tuna can. Those type of stmts just hurt the other poster. Of course, if someone stated that I stunk like smelly tuna dish and had the brains of a potatoe head and looked like an ignorant 4 head monster from mud city, I would want to lash out and say, "No, I am a 3 headed cotton candy smelling" ... Well, you get the idea.
So, what was the topic? The topic got lost and the character of the person(s) involved got attacted indirectly or directly. I feel that if the board was perhaps more carefully monitored that these slights wouldn't grow into full blown attacks on a group or one person. I am glad that Dinah clarified the role of the deputy. It just gives me even more respect for the job she has done.
It is quite apparent that an intervention in this system of Babble world is needed. But, it is needed by the creator himself. We can only keep doing so much to point out the situations.
In regard to Chemist, I feel that many are taking up for him, because they have come to know his personality. It is no secret on Babble that Chemist is a valuable poster to many. He appears to be an analytically personality to me. To some that may come across as indifferent. To those that are very familiar with him, we know that he means the best. His absence will be missed.
As for myself, to new people... well, you will find out that I am just plain unexplainable.
I believe all are welcome. We can share view points without telling each other they may be from a smelly tuna can. Wait! I am feeling like eating a grilled tuna sandwich.
Posted by Sad Panda on August 31, 2004, at 20:19:03
In reply to Re: this is a petition to GET CHEMIST BACK--karen, posted by mike lynch on August 31, 2004, at 15:40:03
> > let me be sure i understand you correctly: there are certain foods and vitamins i can take that will enhance my self-esteem? i am always interested in bettering myself, and if you can provide the appropriate references/etc. that bolsters your claim, i will be in your debt...
> >
> > chemist
>
> So apparently He got blocked for this statement?? I'd express my opinion about this..but I'd fear that I to would get blocked..
>
>Hi Mike,
I think 3 dots at the end of a sentence marks it as being sarcasm. You only have 2, so I think your post will scrape through. :)
I think poor old Chemist has received the rough end of the pineapple here. :(
Cheers,
Panda.
Posted by AuntieMel on August 31, 2004, at 21:15:18
In reply to Re: blocked from posting » chemist » flmm » TomG, posted by Dr. Bob on August 31, 2004, at 7:51:34
Hopefully I can word it so that I get an answer to the question asked. (Not an indictment of you, just an admition that sometimes what I type isn't what I mean)
Just what in this is a blocking offense. And if the answer is 'sarcasm' what do you see here that is sarcastic:
> let me be sure i understand you correctly: there are certain foods and vitamins i can take that will enhance my self-esteem? i am always interested in bettering myself, and if you can provide the appropriate references/etc. that bolsters your claim, i will be in your debt...
Especially since he was responding to a poster that told him "You should eat some food or vitamins or meds that will help you with your self esteem."
Posted by KaraS on September 1, 2004, at 1:25:22
In reply to kara, chemist, everyone..., posted by alesta on August 31, 2004, at 5:24:05
>
> kara, thank you!! i couldn't agree more with what you said! well done! you've summed up what i wanted to add. i am so glad that you made it clear how vicious flmm's response was...i wanted to make it clear to everyone that i in *no* way support flmm's views...i genuinely like chemist and find him knowledgeable and intelligent and nice (to me) and i hope if chemist is reading this he knows that...i just feel that personal attacks on others cloud the issues and do nothing to prove your point (and are harmful). flmm was looking for a fight here, practically, and if chemist had just stuck to the issues, he would have come through this in spades...i'm just trying to encourage more effective interaction...but i absolutely detest flmm's hostility and it makes me very angry...i suppose i'm trying to prevent this type of thing from happening in the future, because it *really* upsets me...chemist, i hope you know that...
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> i definitely, in the future, am staying completely out of all arguments. this is just too much stress.
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> amy
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>Thanks and I hear you. I'm going to try to stay out of it in the future myself (notice I said "try"?). It's just a no-win situation.
Kara
Posted by KaraS on September 1, 2004, at 1:43:10
In reply to Re: blocked from posting » chemist » flmm » TomG, posted by Dr. Bob on August 31, 2004, at 7:51:34
> > let me be sure i understand you correctly: there are certain foods and vitamins i can take that will enhance my self-esteem? i am always interested in bettering myself, and if you can provide the appropriate references/etc. that bolsters your claim, i will be in your debt...
> >
> > chemist
>
> > Chemist, please, you drip of sarcasm! You are far to anylitcal for your own good! It is difficult to function in the world for you I understand.
> >
> > flmm
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> > I wish I had a robot's voice coming out of my PC speakers to read the chemist's posts.
> >
> > TomG
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> Please don't be sarcastic, jump to conclusions about others, or post anything that could lead them to feel accused or put down. I've asked you to be civil before, so now I'm going to block you from posting. For 4 weeks, 1 week, and 1 week.
>
> Sharing something about your own issues and their possible role in your reaction might be an interesting exercise -- and might help others respond to you supportively.
>
> If you or anyone else has questions about this or about posting policies in general, or is interested in alternative ways of expressing oneself, please see the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
Dr. Bob,
I think Chemist showed incredible restraint in not saying a lot worse to flmm and company when they insulted him so viciously. He clearly stopped the escalation of insults on his end by holding his tongue when truly horrible, hurtful things were said about him. I wonder if I could have managed such restraint under the circumstances. By not recognizing that and penalizing him so harshly, I think you're sending a message that you might as well go all out and fight to the finish whenever a dispute arises because you're going to be severely punished anyway.Kara
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 1, 2004, at 2:13:14
In reply to Re: blocked from posting » Dr. Bob, posted by KaraS on September 1, 2004, at 1:43:10
> they insulted him so viciously
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused.
If you or anyone else has questions about this or about posting policies in general, or is interested in alternative ways of expressing oneself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by SLS on September 1, 2004, at 7:50:35
In reply to Re: please be civil » KaraS, posted by Dr. Bob on September 1, 2004, at 2:13:14
Hi.
> > they insulted him so viciously
> Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused.I'm not sure this is so much a characterization as it is an observation based on the most common definitions of the word "insult". Oh well, I guess it still necessarily depends on a subjective judgment to determine what is or isn't an insult based upon a conclusion of intent. The intent seemed pretty clear to me, though.
I must agree that Dr. Bob had no choice but to block Chemist if he was to block anyone else. Unfortunately, Chemist posted the following:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20040717/msgs/384535.html
This lay the groundwork for speculation that sarcasm was the motivation behind his previous post:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20040717/msgs/384535.html
It is hard to blame Chemist for becoming emotionally involved in the discourse, and I doubt I could have restrained myself from saying anything inflammatory. It is so easy to get caught up in a conflict, especially when it becomes "viscious". :-)
I think it would have given the appearance of impropriety, therefore, for Dr. Bob to toss out the other two posters without doing the same with Chemist. Again, I find that the doctor has acted with precision in an effort to maintain the goal of objectivity. Note that precision doesn't always guarantee justice, but it does help to promote equal protection.
I like Chemist, and agree that his contributions here are unique, invaluable, and irreplaceable. I know he will be back. He has a sufficiently strong ego and adult perspective. I don't think his self-esteem was ever at risk.
- Scott
Posted by alesta on September 1, 2004, at 11:36:26
In reply to Re: please be civil - insults - judgment calls., posted by SLS on September 1, 2004, at 7:50:35
I respectfully disagree, scott. what is offensive about chemist saying:
<"hi mel, kudos to larry: he's way cooler than i...although once i get my hands on those esteem-building foods/vitamins, i am going to be a really cool guy.....all the best, chemist"
i don't think chemist could've been any cooler. At this point he is merely defending himself! I don’t know ***ANYBODY*** who would just sit there and take what flmm had to say. (see flmm's quote below) It is BRUTAL. if that was grounds for banishment, then none of us should be here....
I don’t think Dr. bob himself would have been that cool. here is the comment flmm made to chemist to illustrate my point:
<"You don't know squat! You should eat some food or vitamins or meds that will help you with your self esteem. You can still be the old, great chemist that you were. Maybe some people will even listen to you! Just not me, I have lost all respect for the great chemist and long for the old days, when I could trust what I heard."
Now, I ask you, or anyone, would you just sit there and take it??? Be honest...and remember, too, that these outrageous insults are made in a public forum.
There is nothing civil about a forum that will not allow you to defend yourself. The “attacker” should be banned, not the attacked.
Posted by alesta on September 1, 2004, at 11:47:29
In reply to Re: please be civil - insults --to sls and dr. bob, posted by alesta on September 1, 2004, at 11:36:26
my point here is that i see *no* offensive output from chemist after the warning to "please be civil". only *defensive* (he was defending himself from an abominable character assault, as *anyone* in his position would do).
Posted by SLS on September 1, 2004, at 14:38:42
In reply to Re: please be civil - insults --to sls and dr. bob, posted by alesta on September 1, 2004, at 11:36:26
> I respectfully disagree, scott. what is offensive about chemist saying:
>
> <"hi mel, kudos to larry: he's way cooler than i...although once i get my hands on those esteem-building foods/vitamins, i am going to be a really cool guy.....all the best, chemist"
It was a close call, to be sure. I won't presume to know Chemist's intent.
- Scott
Posted by alesta on September 1, 2004, at 15:20:39
In reply to Re: please be civil - insults --to sls and dr. bob, posted by SLS on September 1, 2004, at 14:38:42
his intent was what anyone's intent would be who's just had the worst insults you can think of directed at them in front of a lot of people....to defend himself!
jeez, put yourself in his shoes...
Posted by KaraS on September 1, 2004, at 15:29:38
In reply to Re: please be civil » KaraS, posted by Dr. Bob on September 1, 2004, at 2:13:14
> > they insulted him so viciously
>
> Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused.
>
> If you or anyone else has questions about this or about posting policies in general, or is interested in alternative ways of expressing oneself, please see the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
OK, let me rephrase that to:They made comments that 99.999 percent of the thinking, feeling, breathing human population would interpret as being "viscious". I honestly don't wish to be rude here but there's just no way that a reasonable person could argue otherwise. I think your response to give me a PBC begs the question at hand.
I have reread that entire post in question here and I do note a fair amount of sarcasm on Chemist's part that obviously enraged flmm and a couple of others. Perhaps my issue with Chemist's block has more to do with the blocking system itself. By increasing the amount of time an individual is blocked based only on the number of previous blocks that person has incurred, you don't leave enough room for assigning a punishment that correlates with the severity of the offense involved. It also does not take into account that the person being punished utilized a fair amount of restraint given the level of insults leveled against him.
Posted by alesta on September 1, 2004, at 16:04:59
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dr. Bob, posted by KaraS on September 1, 2004, at 15:29:38
i still feel that chemist was the only one of the three to respect dr. bob's request to "please be civil", except defending himself from *only one* of numerous posts consisting of insults thown in his direction.
(and, like i said, in light of the horrendous insults thrown in his direction, it is only natural to need to defend yourself)
chemist truly showed amazing restraint, dr. bob, in order to respect your wishes.
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