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Posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 5:06:02
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome? » Declan, posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 5:04:06
PS. I would have scored a lot higher when I was younger. Things have definitely improved here.
Ed
Posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 5:42:11
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome? » Quintal, posted by Declan on December 31, 2006, at 19:14:22
My empathy, 42 (average)
Mind in eyes, 26 (average)
Systemizing, 9 (very low)
Ed
Posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 5:46:04
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome?, posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 5:42:11
>Systemizing, 9 (very low)
I'm so bad! Seriously I don't know how most people could score so high. I mean, who reads instruction manuals in detail? I'm brain dead, I blame SSRIs. Ugh.
Ed
Posted by Declan on January 1, 2007, at 13:13:48
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome? » ed_uk, posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 5:46:04
In theory I'm fairly obsessional, but in practice too lazy. I'll restack the dishwasher so everything is OK and I really believe there is only one correct way to do everything, but 50 years of hanging(?) around this world has taken the edge off.
My results are complicated by the fact that I am a verbal and not a visual person. I can remember some of who said what, but can't describe the mosquito net I sleep under.
Posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 13:22:39
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome? » ed_uk, posted by Declan on January 1, 2007, at 13:13:48
Good evening Declan
I'm confused about MSN because you appeared and then disappeared again immediately!
>In theory I'm fairly obsessional, but in practice too lazy
That describes me very well. VERY well.
>My results are complicated by the fact that I am a verbal and not a visual person
I'm not a visual person at all. I can never remember what things look like.
Ed
Posted by Quintal on January 1, 2007, at 14:34:38
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome? » Quintal, posted by Declan on December 31, 2006, at 19:14:22
OK time to add my own results to the debate......
Autism Spectrum Quotient: 38 (Very high)
Empathy Quotient: 14 (Very low and very unexpected)
Systemising Quotient: 48 (Very high)All looking good for the AS theory until......
Mind in the eyes: 32 (*Very* high, way above average even for 'normal' people. Ooh, ooh, ooh)
So..... am I just a nefarious sociopath as jimmygold70 suggests or is something else at work here?
I had a look around one of the Asperger's support sites and curiously most of them were scoring in the mid twenties for the 'Mind in the eyes' tests with a few who had even been diagnosed with Asperger's as children scoring in the thirties. A common theme was that people said they were working out the expressions by a process of elimination - otherwise it seems odd that people on the autistic spectrum are scoring so highly on facial recognition tests.
Curious.
Q
Posted by Declan on January 1, 2007, at 14:51:07
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............. » Declan, posted by Quintal on January 1, 2007, at 14:34:38
Nefarious sociopath?
Sounds promising, but ADHD might be more productive.
Posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 15:10:48
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............. » Quintal, posted by Declan on January 1, 2007, at 14:51:07
>Sounds promising, but ADHD might be more productive.
At least then you can get a script for something? In theory.
Ed
Posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 15:13:35
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............. » Declan, posted by Quintal on January 1, 2007, at 14:34:38
>Mind in the eyes: 32 (*Very* high, way above average even for 'normal' people. Ooh, ooh, ooh)
I found that test so hard. Most of the time I was just having to guess. I'm surprised that I even scored average.
Ed
Posted by Quintal on January 1, 2007, at 15:26:32
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............. » Quintal, posted by Declan on January 1, 2007, at 14:51:07
>Sounds promising, but ADHD might be more productive.
No, not likely - I can concentrate for huge lengths of time, my spelling is good, I'm not hyperactive etc., etc, etc. Besides, you can't have ADHD in the UK in any case - it's not a productive diagnosis here ;-)
Amphetamines don't help me and I had a horrible reaction NARIs, so Strattera is not an option I'd be willing to take.
I'm confused where the boundaries between ADHD and other PDDs lie. Is there any real difference between them?
Q
Posted by Quintal on January 1, 2007, at 15:31:52
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............., posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 15:10:48
>At least then you can get a script for something? In theory.
Do you really think any GP would be willing to rx amphetamines to an adult with a history of substance misuse in the UK, no matter what the diagnosis? They are the same doctors who cut off my supply of clonazepam at 2mg. I don't expect any compassionate prescribing.
Q
Posted by Quintal on January 1, 2007, at 15:38:13
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............. » Quintal, posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 15:13:35
>I found that test so hard. Most of the time I was just having to guess. I'm surprised that I even scored average.
I just looked through the available options, looked carefully at the eyes and chose what I thought was most likely. I would be more interested in the results of open ended questions.
I am a highly visual person though - I have a photographic memory. More like a videographic memory in fact. I wonder if that makes a difference and does it mean anything re: the autistic spectrum. Are they usually less visual than most?
Q
Posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 16:01:36
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............. » ed_uk, posted by Quintal on January 1, 2007, at 15:31:52
>Do you really think any GP would be willing to rx amphetamines to an adult with a history of substance misuse in the UK, no matter what the diagnosis?
No :) I was just amused by Declan's remark!
Ed
Posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 16:04:21
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............. » ed_uk, posted by Quintal on January 1, 2007, at 15:38:13
Hi Q
>I have a photographic memory. More like a videographic memory in fact.
Amazing indeed. I'm the exact opposite.
>Are they usually less visual than most?
I wouldn't have said so. I have heard of autistic people with photographic memories.
Ed
Posted by Quintal on January 1, 2007, at 16:09:02
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............., posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 16:04:21
Another thing just occurred to me. Would someone with untreated ADHD really be able to sit at a computer and post all those detailed post as I have for the last two months? I've never looked very closely at ADHD and it's sub-types but it seems somewhat unlikely when I look at it in that light.
Q
Posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 17:27:43
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............., posted by Quintal on January 1, 2007, at 16:09:02
Hi Q
I'm certain you don't have ADHD Q. I think Declan was just joking :)
Take care
Ed
Posted by Quintal on January 1, 2007, at 18:08:11
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............. » Quintal, posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 17:27:43
>I'm certain you don't have ADHD Q. I think Declan was just joking :)
I know ;-)
I'm curious as to what *is* actually 'wrong' with me though and I'm exploring possibilities. I'm pleased to hear someone else thinks I don't have ADHD as well :-)
How to explain high scores on the 'Mind in the eyes' test then? I'm guessing it has something to do with having a good visual memory? Even so, why is it that I don't always get obvious social cues until long after the event if don't have ADHD? Confusing.
BTW are you actually diagnosed with Asperger's Declan?
Q
Posted by Quintal on January 1, 2007, at 18:21:09
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............., posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 16:04:21
>>>I have a photographic memory. More like a videographic memory in fact.
>
>Amazing indeed. I'm the exact opposite.How do you remember then? My dad says he can't visualize and I've always wondered what it's like? Sounds awful - like a 'mind's eye' cataract.
Q
Posted by Quintal on January 2, 2007, at 11:42:22
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............. » Quintal, posted by Declan on January 1, 2007, at 14:51:07
Declan, what's wrong with your email? I've tried to babblemail you and it keeps saying you have an email problem?
Q
Posted by ramsea on January 3, 2007, at 8:49:36
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............. » ed_uk, posted by Quintal on January 1, 2007, at 15:38:13
autistic people are usually renowned for being very visual. but perhaps not in easily categorized ways. we have great gaps between abilities at times. there are many different types of learning ability and disability--the general public just sees it in a very black and white way, when the mind is far more complicated. many people have some degree of learning disability but just don't see it that way--it doesn't seem to matter. autistic people/people with asperger's vary greatly in their abilities and often learning difficuties. it comes out as glaring because of the extremes--so high in one area, low in another--high can be anything from engineering to poetry, often low in social learning and some other aspect of knowledge that others take for granted, like housework organization. but some of us adapt amazingly well, and learn how to act social so well, our act is better than a normal person's behavior. but that can be very tiring.
Posted by Quintal on January 3, 2007, at 11:46:26
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............., posted by ramsea on January 3, 2007, at 8:49:36
Thanks for the input ramsea. Here's an amateur video by Aut TV on the different types of Asperger's syndrome that seems to outline many of the things you have said yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Yd8E-IlVw
http://www.autismtoday.com/articles/Love-Friendship-%20Work.asp?name=Jeanette%20McAfee,%20M.D.
http://daycaredaze.blogspot.com/2006/06/f*rt-boy.html
>are many different types of learning ability and disability--the general public just sees it in a very black and white way, when the mind is far more complicated. many people have some degree of learning disability but just don't see it that way--it doesn't seem to matter. autistic people/people with asperger's vary greatly in their abilities and often learning difficuties.
I agree. Is it possible for someone on the autistic spectrum to be good at recognising facial expression if they have studied it closely? I remember doing tests like that before at school. We had a special teacher who came into school and took a few of us to do tests and strange games. Naming faces and sorting shapes were part of the games we played. Now I'm wondering if I had been diagnosed or suspected of having some deficit afterall? Why else would they be putting me through those classes?
>but some of us adapt amazingly well, and learn how to act social so well, our act is better than a normal person's behaviour. but that can be very tiring.
It is tiring up keep up the act when we are relying mostly on logic - intuition takes less effort. Are you diagnosed with Asperger's yourself ramsea?
Q
Posted by Quintal on January 3, 2007, at 13:10:35
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............., posted by ramsea on January 3, 2007, at 8:49:36
Some more links to videos on Asperger's Syndrome medications and supplememts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIbrH1nRYvw&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2Mwxbq2FYg&mode=related&search=
Q
Posted by Phillipa on January 3, 2007, at 18:32:12
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............., posted by Quintal on January 3, 2007, at 13:10:35
Quintal why all the pain meds? Love Phillipa
Posted by Quintal on January 3, 2007, at 21:05:56
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............. » Quintal, posted by Phillipa on January 3, 2007, at 18:32:12
I don't know. Maybe he has some painful condition that he didn't mention? I could email him and find out.
That looks a lot like me though with rolling eyes, sweating and stammering.
Q
Posted by tessellated on January 3, 2007, at 23:04:29
In reply to Re: Asperger's Syndrome test results.............., posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2007, at 16:04:21
ok sorta late on this, but with the good ole psyche BA in me back pocket, i was engaged.
systematising 54 (very high)
empathy 53 (above average)
autistic spect 15 (just below male average)
mind in eye 34 (highly accurate).hmmm. i'm an artist w/years of figure drawing, photo, graphics, etc... so i only got a couple of the minds eye wrong. it's not hard, cartoonists and animators are remarkable at breaking down human expression to their basic graphical representations. it is an entirely trainable skill...
however....i think there are problems because there is one or two models acting the part, not being it... and most answers are a simple process of elimination based on direct eye contact.
darn, i did better on this than my drivers test.
and i love pattern, machines, extropy, complexity, and loose myself in empathy. but i'm a dude.
i think our notions of autism etc are changing. i believe its only recently that there may be an agreed upon etiology underlying these similar syptoms due to neuroimaging techniques. and so i believe these form of tests are a bit dated and reductive. fun maybe... like which dog would you be?
but i'm also beginning to really think much of my depression etc is contextual. sitting alone in a studio pondering philosophy is not typically the most catecholamine inducing state. ahhh... the cold world of los angeles...
cheers,
l8
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