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Posted by Spinxxie on April 20, 2004, at 17:21:50
In reply to Re: STOPPING Effexor made easy, posted by cobwebs on April 19, 2004, at 16:38:50
I just wanted to interject that it is also alright to take AD's, unfortunately some of us have to take them, and to go without could be life threatening.. Good luck to those who can go without.. and hang in there to those who take them, keep your chins up!!! Spinxxie
Posted by Mina on April 20, 2004, at 20:22:20
In reply to Re: STOPPING Effexor made easy, posted by Spinxxie on April 20, 2004, at 17:21:50
Just thought I'd share my experiance lately while trying to wean. Of course, when I tried the way my doc. said to wean off, I went nuts after 2 days of stopping 37.5 since there wasn't anything lower than that to go on. So I've been counting the tiny beads for the last few weeks and it's more tolerable but I'm still so much more angry and easily irritable. (I just put it on a spoonful of applesause). Anywho...it'll be nice once I'm completely freed of this stuff in my system. Until recently I was thinking I just gained 15 pounds because I was eating junk but I'm thinking effexor triggered some sort of nervousness or something to make me hungrier for crap.
Good luck to us all!
Posted by katalina on April 20, 2004, at 22:15:56
In reply to STOPPING Effexor made easy, posted by ku4ns on April 19, 2004, at 12:11:39
Last year, I also used Prozac (only 10 mgs.) to wean myself off of 75 mgs (the lowest I went, after being at 150) and I experienced absolutely no side effects whatsoever (I did have se's when I tried to go every other day on the 75's or even splitting the capsules a couple of times.
Once you take prozac for a couple of weeks, which I did, I discontinued the prozac with no problems at all. Due it's very long half life compared to Effexor, there are usually no withdrawal symptoms from prozac.
Since that time I was SSRI free for six months and then decided to try lexapro, which did not impress me at all and tapered that pretty quickly after a 3 month run. I haven't taken an SSRI for over six months and feel good on my current regimen of Adderall XR and klonopin, along with some good vitamins. I am surprised at my ability to still feel good without an SSRI.
I just wanted to clarify that I think the original poster meant that prozac can be used to wean off the Effexor and then within a month (usually less) one can stop Prozac cold turkey without problems.
Effexor was an amazing drug for me for a while, I just found it to be too much with the Adderall, which is the mainstay of my treatment. I lost a ton of weight and felt jittery on both of them together. Now that I'm just on Adderall I feel less hyper and fidgety than I did when I was on both.
Just my 2 cents! But prozac worked wonders for withdrawals from Effexor!
Katie
Posted by Angela Young on April 20, 2004, at 23:13:16
In reply to Re: THE GOOD THINGS?????-Sira, posted by Angela Young on April 17, 2004, at 22:10:22
I just thought that I would post my opinions about prozac. I have been on it for about 4 months since the birth of my son. I am majoring in psychology and have been looking into every antidepressant I have ever been on. I know that Prozac may be helpful to wean off effexor, but I wouldn't suggest being on it full time. In '95 alone 2500 sucides were related to Prozac. Plus it can also cause almost mania episodes. I know cause it has been doing that to me. I am in the process of trying to get my doctor to switch me back to effexor.
Posted by Spinxxie on April 21, 2004, at 0:55:52
In reply to Prozac is the only way to go, posted by katalina on April 20, 2004, at 22:15:56
From what I have read.. taking a SSRI with effexor can be dangerous.. please take caution.. just my two cents
Posted by Spinxxie on April 21, 2004, at 1:00:43
In reply to Re: Prozac is the only way to go » katalina, posted by Spinxxie on April 21, 2004, at 0:55:52
Ummm.. it sounds like your major issue wasn't depression.. I can only speak for myself, but I take AD's because it is my main health issue.. the mix of ssri's and effexor can cause seretonin syndrome which can be quite life threatening.. just.. a fyi.. thanks S
Posted by newgirl on April 21, 2004, at 9:00:42
In reply to Re: STOPPING Effexor made easy, posted by cobwebs on April 19, 2004, at 16:25:30
I too gained weight while on Effexor. Approx. 25-30 lbs in a year and a half. I've been off Effexor for about a month and a half now. The withdraws do go away! It takes a couple of weeks, but it did happen for me. I have been able to loose a little weight - slowly - probably through diet and exercise. I was hoping that after quitting the Effexor, that the weight would drop off as easily and as quickly as it piled on. That doesn't seem to be the case - at least not for me. I went from almost no exercise to about 2.5 miles a day on the treadmill, pilates, and other misc. activities. I've also really started to watch what I eat - and make a conscious effort ot eat better. I was a size 0-2 & 115 lbs when I went on Effexor. While on it, at my heaviest, I was a size 10-ish, and about 145 lbs. Needless to say, stopping the weight gain was my primary motivation for getting off the Effexor. All in all, its been my experience so far, that you'll really have to work at it to loose the weight after quitting the medication. I'm still looking for encouragement from anyone else who's won the battle of loosing weight after quitting the Effexor. Hope this helps!
Posted by Zarry on April 21, 2004, at 9:00:47
In reply to Prozac, posted by Angela Young on April 20, 2004, at 23:13:16
Angela, there's gotta be something different than Effexor to go on. I agree with you about Prozac that it's really not a good one to be on long term. Funny thing is, that's what my sister is on and she's got multiple personalities, so she says or the docs say. Personally, I don't thing GPs really study up on ADs and they give out like candy the things that drug companies pust to them.
Posted by BR549 on April 21, 2004, at 11:19:25
In reply to Re: How long for these withdrawals to end??, posted by Zarry on April 10, 2004, at 8:20:34
18 days now and counting since my last day of Effexor XR. Rage still rears it's ugly head and remains an evil beast to control as my poor wife can attest. She's "coping" with ADs too but I gotta take care of me first, then her. Maybe.. The sensation to sob now and then doesn't bother me so much. It feels good to well up and breath a little deeper and easier. My blood pressure is too high and needs to be addressed. My geographical tongue, which showed up about the same time I went on Prozac about 7 years ago, has gone wild but the MD's told me it's nothing to worry about. A twitch or tic in my left eye-lid bugs me when I least expect it. The zip-zap noises in my mind at night are almost gone along with the nausea. Headaches come and go but could be seasonal allergy related.
I think I learned a good lesson after my one-day psych class at community college earlier this month, DO NOT allow a family MD to prescribe meds for the brain. See a pyschologist 1st, preferrably with a PhD and plenty of education, who can analyze, diagnose, and refer me if necessary to a pyschiatrist for prescribing brain illness meds. Another item helping me now is light therapy. I acquired a lamp, a happy light I call it, and read the news under it every morning. It's helping me feel better and prodded me back (a little bit anyway) into taking action to work off some of my beer gut.
Thanks for the note of encouragement Zarry. This chat room, or whatever the proper term may be, is a Godsend. It's a whole lot cheaper and faster than group therapy. John
Posted by Zarry on April 21, 2004, at 11:42:06
In reply to Re: My 150 Mg Withdrawal Update, posted by BR549 on April 21, 2004, at 11:19:25
BR - Your blood pressure should be going down by now - are you on any lowering meds? Mine has gone down after 2 1/2 wks off Effexor, but still needs monitoring, it's not where it should be yet.
I do like your idea of not letting anyone but a "mind" doctor precribe "mind" meds.
I have found I have the ability to talk to my husband when he says things to me that bother me. He seems to have started to want to pick fights lately with me and I've weathered them successfully.
Hang in there.
Posted by Emma Smith on April 21, 2004, at 13:30:27
In reply to Re: STOPPING Effexor made easy, posted by newgirl on April 21, 2004, at 9:00:42
I, too gained weight with effexor. I have been off now for almost 3 weeks, I think. Funny how I can block out the "effexor time" :) I think you are on the right track with the weight loss. I really haven't changed anything in my strategy, since I have always watched what I ate and exercised (running, kick boxing/aerobic classes, and walking with my children), but my weight is dropping off at a good rate. (1-2 lbs a week) That is the healthiest way and most permanent way anyway.
You said you gained the weight over a year and a half, you can't expect it to fall off. But it sounds like you are on the right track! :) Keep plugging along! Best of luck to you and all the others left with the "weight issue."
Posted by TJB on April 21, 2004, at 15:58:03
In reply to Re: Prozac, posted by Zarry on April 21, 2004, at 9:00:47
Please don't give Prozac a bad wrap. It has been the only thing that has worked for me. Zoloft was actually one that put me on the verge of suicide. All the while I was being told by my GP that it doesn't have those type of side effects. Thank God it was so obvious to me what was causing those feelings and I stopped it on my own. I think all SSRI's have the potential to make a person worse. The most important thing is to be working with a doctor who listens and keeps a close eye on their patients. Unfortunetly that can be very rare. I know that with Prozac it helps tremendously as long as I keep it at a fairly low dose (which by the way is much less than the standard dose). Any higher and I get much worse. Maybe alot of people are being overmedicated as well as undermonitored.
Just my 2 cents.
Posted by Angela Young on April 21, 2004, at 23:27:17
In reply to Re: Prozac, posted by Zarry on April 21, 2004, at 9:00:47
I am not saying that Prozac is the worst thing in the world. I have nothing against prozac unless it is wrong for you. I think that if it balances chemicals the way it should then it should not affect you badley. I prefer Effexor, but that does not mean that is the only medication that works for people. Please don't think that I am totally downing on Prozac. I just think that people should know what the possibilities are on certain medications. Sorry if I offended anyone.
Posted by calico cat on April 22, 2004, at 6:31:33
In reply to Newgirl, posted by Emma Smith on April 21, 2004, at 13:30:27
I went to the doctor yesterday, and I am on my last phase of effexor withdrawal - hopefully. I am now on 37.5mg which I take at supper with 100 mg. of wellbutrin - also new. The doctor says it isn't the effexor my body wanted, just the chemicals in the effexor. But, if this were true, wouldn't everyone have similar withdrawal.
I told the doctor that I have never been so depressed in my life. I could feel this way for free and without medication.
Anyway, I am feeling somewhat hopeful. Also, I think that when you go on effexor, the doctor should tell you how very difficult it may be to get off. I never intended to stay on these medications for the rest of my life so I am thinking of asking for a referral to a psychiatrist, especially after my terrible experience the first time weaning off the effexor.
Thanks again to all of you who offered support and advice. I find that saying good-bye to effexor is very painful and solitary so I am glad to have all of you who understand.
Posted by Beta on April 22, 2004, at 6:47:14
In reply to Re: Newgirl - getting off effexor, posted by calico cat on April 22, 2004, at 6:31:33
Has anyone lost weight on Effexor XR? In the month and a half that I have been on it , at 150mg. now, I have gained about 5lbs.
I believe I read that a small percentage of people that are underweight when they begin taking it lose weight when on Effexor. Does anyone have any insight regarding this?
Thanks
~Beth
Posted by TJB on April 22, 2004, at 8:19:36
In reply to Re: Prozac, posted by Angela Young on April 21, 2004, at 23:27:17
No offense taken here. Its just that with all the scary warnings that have come out recently it concerns me that there may be people who end up not getting help for fear that they could become worse. It is definetly a matter of personal experience. Prozac is for me but it put another family member of mine over the edge. Sometimes I think the meds get the bad rap when it really should be the people who are doing the prescribing. I guess I'm kind of ranting because its been hard enough to deal with the stigma of having to take these medications. Just when it seemed that it was becoming more acceptable the new warnings came out and people starting saying, "You better stop taking that stuff" etc. etc. That is definetly not an option for me.
Posted by Shyla on April 22, 2004, at 8:59:52
In reply to Anyone lose weight on Effexor?, posted by Beta on April 22, 2004, at 6:51:59
I have maintained my weight while on Effexor for the past several months. Being conscious of what I eat, how much I eat, and moderate exercize has helped me stay at my desired weight. In fact, after looking back a year in my journal, I happily discovered that I lost 13 pounds. But that was before Effexor. So don't be discouraged. Just be mindful. S
Posted by PoohBear on April 22, 2004, at 12:18:29
In reply to Anyone lose weight on Effexor?, posted by Beta on April 22, 2004, at 6:47:14
Beth:
I have gained quite a bit in the last four months. I was doing great on Effexor and just about at my Weight Watchers goal (I'm a guy...), and then had two weeks of Remeron in January. I've gained 15 pounds I can't seem to be able to get off, BUT, I will say that some of it's my own fault, as food just tastes SOOOOOOOOO good now.
I also think I'm (sub)consiously using the AD's as an excuse... I'm on a seafood diet: If I 'see' it, I eat it...
Tony
> Has anyone lost weight on Effexor XR? In the month and a half that I have been on it , at 150mg. now, I have gained about 5lbs.
>
> I believe I read that a small percentage of people that are underweight when they begin taking it lose weight when on Effexor. Does anyone have any insight regarding this?
>
> Thanks
> ~Beth
Posted by Zarry on April 22, 2004, at 13:00:29
In reply to Re: Prozac, posted by TJB on April 21, 2004, at 15:58:03
I'm not giving Prozac a bad name as I wouldn't about any AD - IF it works for you. But there are some precautions. I just watched Montel Williams today and the discussion was about kids on ADs.
He had a guest on the show that wrote a book, "Prozac Backlash" and has a website at www.prozacbacklash.com
It was a very interesting show as it brought about the side effects of ADs prescribed to kids and the docs that aren't knowledgeable about the effects. The docs go by what the pharmaceutical companies tell them.
Here's a quote from the website:
A strong patient advocate, Dr. Glenmullen tesitfied at the FDA hearing that resulted in the recent warning that antidepressants make patients, including children and adolescents, suicidal. The warning covers all ten of the currently popular antidepressants: Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Effexor, Celexa, Lexapro, Wellbutrin, Luvox, Remeron, and Serzone.
This doesn't say that ADs are bad, but you need to do your research and talk with your doctor - what is his/her experience/knowledge of the drug he's prescribing. It's sad to hear of suicides of ppl that are on ADs when the ultimate goal is to HELP the patient from their depression.
Ok, I'm done babbling now.
Zarry
Good luck and congrats to all that are on this board.
Posted by TJB on April 22, 2004, at 15:33:26
In reply to Re: Prozac, posted by Zarry on April 22, 2004, at 13:00:29
One of my pet peaves about how AD's are prescribed is that it is obvious that alot of doctors take the pharm reps word for everything about them. Actually, its not even just the AD's. This is so scary especially when it comes to children. I just had a similar situation with my son. It wasn't for an AD but they wanted to put him on something for a very minor problem and told me there were no side effects and it was completely safe. It happened to be a relatively new med and the cabinet was stocked with samples. Its so scary. Thank God he didn't have a real problem that he might have needed medication for. My heart goes out to the parents who think they are doing the best for their children only to find out they have been mislead.
Posted by Angela Young on April 22, 2004, at 16:12:36
In reply to Re: Prozac, posted by TJB on April 22, 2004, at 8:19:36
I know what you mean. I agree that the people doing the prescribing should be paying closer attention to the people's emotions.Did you know that now dentists can prescribe AD's? How stupid is that. They are not really qualified to be prescribing these kinds of meds., but who knows... I have a 16 year old sister that is really messed up. She has tried to overdose, cuts herself, and goes on lots of drinking binges, but because my mom is against antideppressants she has my sister to scared to even try taking anything. That really gets me going. Some of us can't live without our AD's. I wish I could but I know I can't. Atleast mot at the moments
Posted by ku4ns on April 22, 2004, at 17:39:38
In reply to Re: STOPPING Effexor made easy, posted by Zarry on April 19, 2004, at 15:51:07
I'm only using the prozac to help with the weaning process and then I plan to stop the prozac. Its been a month now and I have not had any side effects from the stopping of the effexor. This is my second attempt, the first failed because of increased blood pressure, heart rate, migraine and then I took an effexor and all got back to normal. So, I told my doc and he suggested trying the prozac to help get rid of effexor. Best choice, it has worked for me.
John
Posted by Niknak on April 30, 2004, at 12:58:01
In reply to Re: STOPPING Effexor made easy, posted by ku4ns on April 22, 2004, at 17:39:38
> I'm only using the prozac to help with the weaning process and then I plan to stop the prozac. Its been a month now and I have not had any side effects from the stopping of the effexor. This is my second attempt, the first failed because of increased blood pressure, heart rate, migraine and then I took an effexor and all got back to normal. So, I told my doc and he suggested trying the prozac to help get rid of effexor. Best choice, it has worked for me.
> John
Prozac worked for me also. I had none of the horrible side effects that some have described. I would think the docs would tell all effexor users that when they quit don't quit "cold turkey". My doc (GP)didn't tell me this - I learned from this board.
Posted by AngeLMeg on May 1, 2004, at 4:33:40
In reply to Re: bizarre dreams, drinking on effexor, sweats » Skorpius60, posted by PoohBear on March 8, 2004, at 9:40:03
> Ya know...
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> Most pharmacies put a little label on the bottle that says something to the effect of "Avoid Alcohol" when taking Effexor (or any other antidepressant for that matter...) It's just *not* a good idea, nor very smart. I'm glad that all you suffered was the mother of all hang-overs, and not something worse. People die doing stuff like that... The label the pharmacy put on my Wellbutrin prescription said: "Do not use alcohol while taking this medication, may cause DEATH". I'm not making this up.
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> As for night sweats, these drugs *do* seem to mess up one's body temperature regulation. I woke up the other night, my side of the bed was *SOAKED* with sweat and when I got up to use the bathroom, the sweat was literally *dripping* off me as I stood there taking a leak. VERY weird, and definitely *NOT* something I've ever experienced in my life, short of when I've been sick and had a fever break. I can't attribute it to the Effexor however. It could just as well have bee the Seroquel.
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> Good luck and please avoid drinking. The risk is just not worth it while on these drugs.
>
> Tony*Actually, Tony...Wellbutrin is one of the safer drugs to drink on. I'm not recommending it, but doctors will choose Wellbutrin specifically for heavy drinkers.*
Posted by Zarry on May 1, 2004, at 8:20:57
In reply to Re: STOPPING Effexor made easy, posted by Niknak on April 30, 2004, at 12:58:01
I agree with you NikNak about the doctors should tell their patients a little bit more info - better yet, they should know a bit more about the drug they are prescribing.
After my experience with my doc telling me I get an A+ for my research of the drug I was taking, I switched docs. His first comment - you shouldn't have gone cold turkey. DUH.
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