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next iteration of the arms race...

Posted by alexandra_k on October 8, 2021, at 17:40:49

every now and then there are 'magical words' whereby a diagnosis will set you free. a... way of understanding the situation.

the latest iteration:

(i see that these are starting to be 'over-used' which is a way of saying the garbage garbage garbage output is starting to be used in association with the terms so that the... utility... of the label is lost. in the next iteration of psychological warfare that is the arms race...)

for posterity:

is a colloquialism that is defined as making someone question their reality.
The term is also used informally to describe someone (a "gaslighter") who persistently puts forth a false narrative which leads another person or a group of people to doubt their own perceptions to the extent they become disoriented and distressed. This dynamic is generally only possible when the audience is vulnerable such as in an unequal power relationship or when the audience is fearful of the losses associated with challenging the false narrative.

The term is derived from the title of the play and films entitled "Gas Light" which as stories of a husband who uses trickery to convince his wife that she is insane in order to steal from her.

"gaslighting" once referred to extreme manipulation that could induce mental illness or justify committment to a psychiatric institution...

The article "gaslighting: a marital syndrome (1988) examines certain male behaviors during and after their extramarital affairs and the impact of those behaviors and associated attitudes on the mens spouses. They conclude that not only the husbands but also male therapists may contribute to distress through mislabelling the women's reactions and through continuation of certain stereotypical attitudes that reflect negatively on the wife... Therapists may contribute to the victims distress through mislabelling the victims reactions... The 'gaslighting' behaviors of the spouse provide a recipe for so called 'nervous breakdowns' and suicide...

... cautions clinicians about the unintentional abuse of patients when using interrogation techniques and other methods of covert control in psychotherapy and analysis as these methods can subtly coerce patients rather than respect and genuinely help them...

a 1997 case study reviewed a case of a paranoid psychosis... induced by the staff of the institution where the patient was a resident.

Gaslighting may occur in parent-child relationships, with either... attempting to lie to the other to undermine perceptions...

OUP warns that some psychologists are not encouraged by the increased international awareness of the dangerousness of gaslighting as overuse to the term could dilute its potency and downplay the serious consequences of such abuse.


Gaslighting or the 'gaslight tango' is distinct in that:
- one partner is consistently listening and considering the other partners perspective and
- one partner is constantaly negating the others perception insisting they are wrong or telling them that their reaction is crazy or disfunctional

... gaslighting comes directly from blending modern communications marketing and advertising techniques with long standing methods of propaganda. they were simply waiting to be discovered by those with sufficient psychological make up and ambition to use them.


refers to a type of purposefully confusing speech using circular reasoning logical fallacies and other rhetorical devices in order to disorient or manipulate another person.


Re: next iteration of the arms race...

Posted by alexandra_k on October 8, 2021, at 17:48:01

In reply to next iteration of the arms race..., posted by alexandra_k on October 8, 2021, at 17:40:49

the crucial thing

(i know you are but what am i rawk rawk rawk scream the dementors)

is the power imbalance.

that makes them (not me) the gaslighter.

when the courts do it.

when the courts intentionally disregard the evidence of one of the parties and when the judge (who is supposed to be even handed) will only listen to the narrative of the party with most power / money / most timely payments to the court / most bluster about the Auckland City Council or...

when the officials from the university do it.

when they refuse to enrol. refuse to get work to examiners. refuse to base outcome of examination on reports of examiners.

when the people in the hospitals do it.

when they lock you in a room with no natural lighting and fluorescent flicker.. then they keep you there with papers to say you are being detaned undrer the mental health act status voluntary.

you are voluntary.
that is what voluntary means.
you choose this
you choose to comply


give us all your stuff.


that's the thing of it. that's why people go 'they pay me they pay me they pay me they pay me they pay me they pay me they pay me they pay me'

becuase they don't pay me.


off with their heads?

is the game they play...

or what...

just put down your stuff.. and walk away.

just leave us your stuff. just leave us your stuff. just leave us your stuff.

f*ck off. die. go away.

you see why i will never get to study medicin ein NZ -- right? because there is none. there is gasliglighting for political purposes...

a little organ harvesting here...

a little pedophilia there...

a few high class hookers in sydney aparmtnets and lots and lots of drugs i bet...

it is important to realise what it is abuot, really.

why it is that there is nothing here


Re: next iteration of the arms race...

Posted by alexandra_k on October 8, 2021, at 17:55:25

In reply to Re: next iteration of the arms race..., posted by alexandra_k on October 8, 2021, at 17:48:01

so there's a guy with councellors ready to go. but the government won't pay tehm. because they aren't trained in gaslighting. they won't be all 'let me beat you over the head with your cognitive distortions until you realise that there is no help'.

so the government wno't pay tehm.

there's, like, 6 clinical psychologists, or similar, who they will agree to have on pay-roll becuase they are trained up real good in the gaslighting.

and once they are done making them worse, making them worse, making them worse.. either get them to stop asking for help -- right? or just die already. be committed to ta governmetn institutino for not even minium wage paycheck hey because that's the aim or goal. right? to incapacitate. so your stupid children look smart and kind and good... because there's nobody else left.. they win. right? that's the point? the point of it all?

that's why there's one (and only one) samoan girl doing correspondence school. right? she's carefully handpicked by the leaders there... by the administration... so she will get all the scholarships and so on from samoa. right? becuase she had herself a nz education. right? and the other kids from there... they can't use their device to do correspondence from nz.. no. because she's the only one. she's the only one. there is no alternative. she's the samoan equity candidate. you must train her. you must pick her. she's the one. she's the only one. you must train her to gaslight the reset of the people. right> to exaplain why there is no midwife. no antibiotics. just line up for your job when and only when the government tells you to.


that's how it is?


anybody working towards anything different?



anybody at all?


anybody home?




i'm sorry... where is my degree? what was my rank order score?

well call me delusional and feed me LSD as a 'treatment' and stab me in the eye with a rusty needle of olanzapilne...

murder me in the name of suicide and harvest the foetal hearts...


is that what it's about?


that's why we don't have nuclear submarines. that's why we don't have federal funding.

that's why we don't hvae...


rawk rawk rawk screech the dementors. i'm on a suicide trajectory and i'm dragging the world down the sink hole with me.


repeat after me how we know i'm not the gaslighter.

you: all the stuff.
me: no stuff.

taking all my stuff away from me... my transcript. rescinded. doesn't count. expired. my paycheck. less than minimum wage. how my applications are processed. not processed. no application form for me. if i get a form in they throw it away.

that's how we know who the gaslighter is.

that's how we know.

just look at all of the money... wehre oh where does it go


Re: next iteration of the arms race...

Posted by alexandra_k on October 8, 2021, at 18:06:42

In reply to Re: next iteration of the arms race..., posted by alexandra_k on October 8, 2021, at 17:55:25

it is interesting... i had a little chat to former supervisor...

he was like..

well. gaslighting. yeah. like he always was. easier to see it for what it was now.

i was curious about whether things were better in aussie.. or worse..

i think worse.

here is why i think worse...

becuase there doeson't really seem to be anything or anyone really working on constitution or federal stuff like that at the research school in canberra. you would think that the whole government think-tank... you would think that would be a thing... but it doesn't seem to be...

and then you think about the kids who have done well there... stayed there etc etc.. and i guess they are the kids who are australian with heavy parental investment.

and then you think about how it's supposedly competitive or something and people don't really know why some PhD kids go on to get their degrees and have careers and others of them don't...

and, well, looking at things like their nationality and what their parents did and you see it's looking rather a lot like it's factors that have absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the work etc etc. why some are bullied out and away i mean to say. why some get all the publications while some others have etheir work... rubbish rubbish rubbish. just hand it over to us.. and walk away..

and that's the thing of it -- right?

i walked away.. and now it's curious the topics that other people are working on. i don't suppose they want me seeing or hearing them work through the stuff i was working on however many years ago. just walk away. just leave us the stuff and walk away.

i remember the greedy grubby little eyes lighting up when i said i had lots of stuff on my computer..

ooooooh hand it over.

really? for no credit? why would i give you all my stuff!!!

i post it here.

yes i do. and it is associated iwth my posting name.

and people can steal it. and then people type it into google and the origin turns up: me. here. so steal it then. go on. steal it then. and the origin turns up. me: here.

awww.. can't just be stealing my stuff.. awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
pooor you.
pooooooooor you.

why don't you have stuff of your own?

people gaslit it out of you.


nobody home.

there are people who steal other peoples light.
who have no light of their own.


hell is earth. hell is other people on earth.
they have made it so.
they chose to make a world whereby their own kids had all the things.
apparently they were afraid of their own kids ending up... in my position. the way i am now.
and so their fear of their kids ending up in my position means i need to be in that position instead. instead of their kids.
they would not work for equality amongst people.

they insist on playing zero sum games leading to extermination of us all.

suicide trajectory that is new zealand


northern hemisphere is running various things through the courts now.
to do with our false advertising.
gaslighting the shareholders
and so on.
false claims about products fetching premium prices.

how fundamentally corrupt things are here.

there is no healthcare or medicine at all. there's ntohign here. there is competition only. who could be the winner other than the person who gets to rip out your heart. right? it's fundamental.


Re: next iteration of the arms race...

Posted by alexandra_k on October 8, 2021, at 18:19:57

In reply to Re: next iteration of the arms race..., posted by alexandra_k on October 8, 2021, at 18:06:42

of course on the other hand i'm not sure that i should see him as a person with any real power.

there is that.

i mean to say... i'm not sure he has 1/2 the power he projects... which is also to say he isn't 1/2 as responsible as i think he might be...

i believe...

i could be wrong...

at some point he said something about having worked for 10 years or something before anyone would give him a job.

i think by that he literally meant... after finishing his PhD at Sydney he was living with his wife in New Zealand... and he didn't have a job of his own for 10 years. She was a full time employee.. NZ labor history or something like that. She didn't want to leave NZ. They treated her good. Right. The kiwi way. Only employ 1/2 of a partnership. One person has considerable excess to keep the other as slave. That's the kiwi way...

Then he got a part time position... Maybe in Aussie.. Not sure.. Not sure.. Then he's part time both in Aussie and NZ. Not sure... Not sure how that goes. How that went. Not sure..

I just mean to say that there's more going on with him and that and so on...

He was incredibly prolific and his work was very high quality. Eloquent. And nobody did that for him. ANd he built a journal. ANd a field. Nobody di dthat for him. Etc. So he's tough as nails. And he's allowed to be bitter about various things. He's earned his... Retirement. Effectively. Yep.

I don't suppose therei s much of anything he can do about his boys who are stuck in NZ... Where NZ will pay their partners considerable excess of what they need... While refusing to give them entry level academic jobs of their own. So their partners can keep them, effectively, as slaves.


I worry that Australia... In taking them on (they are both full time there now. Odd, hey, for an Australian Univesrity to find a full time place for someone who works in NZ work history)... The development of... Slavery. The keeping of slaves. And so on...

I worry that Aussie is doing the race to the bottom.

That moving Harlene Hayes from Otago to WEstern Australia. Well.. Moving her from NZ to Aussie is supposed to be a step up -- right? So she gets promoted? Because she was doing a fabulous job of restructure after restructure after restructure after restructure at Otago... Keepign the staff continually afraid about losin their livlihoood... They would do anything anything anything anything anthing. Right? They would do anything anything anything anything anything. Right?


Once upon a time there was a baby elephant. The people kept it with a peg in the ground chained around it's leg so that it couldn't move very far.

The elephant grew up big and never tried to go further. Because of learned helplessness.

Let's be clear on why NZ WILL NOT ALLOW the kids to have access to councelling that is not gaslighting. Let's be clear on why that is. Let's be clear on why that money will NEVER GO TO THAT KIND OF A THING. Let's be clear on why.

It is because the people of NZ (who take kup leadership are busy busy busy keeping slaves. They want to have all of the power. All of it.

Not be one amongst equals. Not work for fairer distribution. Not work to create happy healthy communities...

Work to be head of the rubbish.


And it becomes a generational thing....

They want things to be different for their kids.

They think their kids are one amongst equals.

The chldren of the other wealthy elites. Right?



Where is the art? where is the culture?

hosptials and healthcare don't make sense in a culture like this. education doesn't make sense. nothing does.

law. legal. teh judges. no conception of natural justice.

nothing. nada. zip.

What does he reckon? Just keep working. Just keep working. Just keep working. Just keep working... Just keep working. Eventually they will pay. Eventually. Hey, they paid him after 10 years. Just keep working. Just keep working.

But if they made him work for 10 years...

Well then I must work for 20 -- right?

But why stop there?

I don't imagine they have any intention....

The Supreme Court of NZ.. Let's see about that then. Can they tell when Rule 3 vs Rule 4 applies? The court of appeal can't seem to...

doesn't really seem to be anything at all, here...


Re: next iteration of the arms race...

Posted by alexandra_k on October 8, 2021, at 18:25:12

In reply to Re: next iteration of the arms race..., posted by alexandra_k on October 8, 2021, at 18:19:57

I mean...

An interlocutory -- you need to ask for leave to appeal from the High Court.

A strike out -- you do not not need to ask for leave.

That means they cannot refuse to hear it on grounds that I did not ask for leave. Because a strike out is a strike out is a strike out. The header on the header page was strike out. the invoice in the costs judgement was for filing a strike out.

carrots cabbages potatos
well lock me up and throw away the key!!!


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