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australia and nz

Posted by alexandra_k on March 28, 2021, at 2:28:52

i just want to point out that it isn't any kind of victory, at all if nz turns out to be a state of australia without legitimate government of it's own.

(e.g., because once parliament people (MPs and ministers) have refused to intervene, once internal and external complaints process has been exhausted, once the judiciary has reached the end of the road in delays...)

once nz parliament has been shown to be invalid...

that doesn't magically make the australian government or parliament out to be valid.

they say that the australia has closer ties to the usa than nz... but that just means that more australians have traditionally tried to flee their illegitimate government by relocating to the usa than nzers have....

but i (for one) have no desire to be a third class australian. which is how australians treat new zealanders.

even when they have the constitution.

i suspect i should apply for legal aid from australia to test the legtimacy of the nz government...

i was wrong to have said 'what did maaori want to wear to parliament -- grass skirts??'. i said it. don't regret it. i was shown wrong. i am happy for it. i was wrong. i am happy to admit it. i am pleased that my question gave people the opportunity to demonstrate to me how i am limited in my understanding / knowledge.

i learned something. i didn't think about elements of cultural dress and so on... nz leads the world in some respect about something. it started a conversation about 'white collar' and who decides what is appropriate to lead. for leaders. and the difference between the leaders and...

those forced to comply?

the people?

however...

whatever...

whenever...

 

brands of democracy

Posted by alexandra_k on March 28, 2021, at 2:35:10

In reply to australia and nz, posted by alexandra_k on March 28, 2021, at 2:28:52

apparently china will teach us something about brands of democracy...

it is the 'people's republic of china' after all.

nz has taught the world everythign the world needs to know about democracy. about mob rule. about sacrificing the minority for the whims of the majority. about mob rule. about coercion and complicance with the mob or the unruly or the uneducated masses...

we have the republics... of the USA... where there is a selection process that goes into candidates.... candidates don't come from nowhere...

and we have the people's republic of china...

and apparently we have the communist party...

and i have no idea / comprehension of how china is governed.

none.

but i think we are going to learn.

and i suspect i will do chinese next year...

 

Re: brands of democracy

Posted by alexandra_k on March 28, 2021, at 4:30:34

In reply to brands of democracy, posted by alexandra_k on March 28, 2021, at 2:35:10

I mean, there aren't any jobs in teaching physics or maths or chemistry or philosophy or whatever in new zealand...

they needed to hire 15 lecturers to teach people how to grow honey. because people thought that investing in education in nz on how to grow honey would pay off.

like how previos generations invested in management so they could work for fonterra selling infant milk formula to all the babies in china.

they have this consumer driven demand system in how the universites will invest / staff the universities.

and new zealanders aren't allowed to study engineering or management anyway (that's for internationals) and maaori are only allowed to study the arts or maaori (science is not for them) and so on...

there's no sense at all in hiring a diversity to create a diverse and resilent workforce. a stable workforce. representing all the things.

it's all about one field 'winning' and so everybody is forced to take the one thing and everybody else is to be let go.

they just refuse to pay their workers.

 

Re: brands of democracy

Posted by alexandra_k on March 28, 2021, at 4:35:03

In reply to Re: brands of democracy, posted by alexandra_k on March 28, 2021, at 4:30:34

so there were pyramid schemes targeting tongan community members.

and the new zealand government won't prosecute because it never does (therefore it is illigitimate). it onl prosecutes the innocent children of the gang bangers to ensure they don't accidentially imprison a higher up sort of white collar equivalent member of gangland community.

we are talking pyramind schemes... of the sort i remember then being against when i was a teenager.

that kind.

but of course nobody cares because it's happening to tongans.

in new zealand.

it's happening to tongans.

they say they only want their money back.

so of course new zealand (now that it's done a needs assessment) will ensure they never get their money back.

 

Re: australia and nz

Posted by sigismund on March 29, 2021, at 1:07:18

In reply to australia and nz, posted by alexandra_k on March 28, 2021, at 2:28:52

For me NZ is charming because it reminds me of Australia when it took less pleasure in being cruel. Fewer fascists, less racist, nicer to be there, more friendly.

 

Re: australia and nz

Posted by alexandra_k on March 29, 2021, at 17:42:48

In reply to Re: australia and nz, posted by sigismund on March 29, 2021, at 1:07:18

then i guess you could say that nzl has grown up, in recent years

 

Re: australia and nz

Posted by alexandra_k on March 29, 2021, at 18:23:36

In reply to Re: australia and nz, posted by sigismund on March 29, 2021, at 1:07:18

it's a thin veneer. a facade.

new zealanders present with their heads down and their tail between their legs. they bow and scrape and are supplicant...

then, once they have manuvered themselves into positions of power over others you see that other side to them. how they choose to abuse those in their care.

a kind of splitting or doubling, i suppose.

i am thinking of... i don't remember the name of the theorist... i have been thinking about death instinct. i never used to believe in that. but i do, now. that is what explains the resolve many of the new zealand leaders have with which they appear to be resolute on leading their people into extinction.

the one about repression... having one facade for the public. something not authentic. and the psychological toll that took on their person. where people were not able to face up to themself. what they actually wanted and believed and so on. because they had been... taken over by others.

i don't remember the name...

that didn't ring true for me / speak to me at the time.

i suppose different theorists were speaking about / to / with different segments of society at different times.

but i see that, now. how the new zealand government (or insttiutions of the new zealand government) decide who and what people will be (for arbitrary and often racist and irrelevant reasons) and then you comply or...

or you end up like me.

that is to say the government refuses (when teh government is the major employer) teh government simply refuses to process any of the things...

no job.

it's their way or it's the highway.

i don't think i'll be having a vaccination in new zealand.

i expect they will force me to have one, anyway.

because that's the kiwi way.

forced compliance.

australia is as bad. it really is. more honest sometimes. australia withholds centrelink payment when people don't let their kids be immunised.

kids is a hard one.

this isn't abuot kids. this is about adults.

this is about the government forcing violence on people who have done nothing wrong.

 

Re: australia and nz

Posted by alexandra_k on March 29, 2021, at 18:38:57

In reply to Re: australia and nz, posted by alexandra_k on March 29, 2021, at 18:23:36

i am talking about the leaders.

the people at the university -- the ones with jobs.

the people in government.

things like that.

those people.

 

Re: australia and nz

Posted by alexandra_k on March 29, 2021, at 18:50:18

In reply to Re: australia and nz, posted by alexandra_k on March 29, 2021, at 18:38:57

we used to have people visit from overseas. people. good people. with intelligent and interesting things to say. smart people. people.

and seeing that... and talking with them...

made it more obvious about what was wrong with new zealand.

the research projects / questions. because the only ones approved have major flaws. ethically. or methodologically. whatever... always something. something to make it unacceptable to international community.

the branding thing...

they misunderstood. they misunderstand. they pervert.

'we don't believe in bonding, we believe in branding'.

It is that we don't have training apprenticeships (where a fair amount of labor is part of training and paying off the cost of your training). we don't actually train the next generation. because the people in the advanced positions don't actually know anything. that seems to be the reality of it. it's all nominal. notional. notational. I understand they are on payroll...

The branding thing I didn't mean marketing. I didn't mean that the appeal was in teh marketing. The catchy logo. Branding the university (changing it's name after word gets out about how rubbish it is)...

It was about branding the people.

Physically marking them.

It was about how our students don't get research projects approved / funded unless they agree to comply with... Doing projects that will render them unacceptable to international community. Branding them as morally bankrupt (approving a project that is gratuitously cruel), branding them as ideally bankrupt (approving a project that is confused in it's idea likely because of a very basic 101 item of knowledge that appears to be lacking that most everybody else will know). Forcing them to plagarise. Forcing them to lie about / misrepresent laboratory data.

Those kinds of brandings.

So that when they get their qualifiation (years and years late) it won't mean anything. Because they will want to look at the quality of the work. And then they will look and see and that persons career is over.

That's the point.

Teh University collects up money. Doesn't teach skills. Brands their studnets as morally bankdrupt and idiots and so on.

Then tosses them out to...

To work the plantations for minimum wage.

We don't have universities.

Our qualifications are not acknowledged overseas.

We don't even acknowledge our own qualifications.

They are all 'honorary'.

That is to say: Where is the thesis? Where is it?

Really.

The outputs.

Stolen from the students.

They feed the students work into a 'plagarism checker' which gives away teh intellectual property. Then the student who is the original author is told that they plagarised because it's the property of the plagarism checker now.

And what are you going to do about it sqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqwark

go the dementors.

nasty
bruitish
short

it's their vision.

 

Re: australia and nz

Posted by alexandra_k on March 29, 2021, at 18:54:07

In reply to Re: australia and nz, posted by alexandra_k on March 29, 2021, at 18:50:18

they don't want our nasty produce anyway.

they don't want it.

the world doesn't want our pestacide infested toxic 'food'.

the world doesn't want our contaminated milk powder.

the world can't do business with us.

 

Re: australia and nz

Posted by alexandra_k on March 29, 2021, at 18:58:55

In reply to Re: australia and nz, posted by alexandra_k on March 29, 2021, at 18:54:07

so it just comes back to the government trying to force masses of people to do what it thinks they should do because...

because they have the power to. and when you have the power to force people to do what you want them to do then you must surely use it by forcing them to do a bunch of arbitrary things...

they are always trying to 'plan' which means they are trying to force...

i think the idea they have is that everybody can do the exact same class that only needs to be taught by 1 lecturer. but why stop there. why not just show them a film of hitler speaking.

like the wave.

yeah.

like the wave.

i guess that's what'll happen one day. one of the 'government anouncements' that we get at 1pm or whatever it is.

our broadcasting will be hacked and we'll get a film of hitler.

like the wave.

so we can see how things are here for what things are here. how things have become.

there's no genuine ability to comprehend diversity. there's no encouragement of diversity. there's no encouragement that people do something different. there's no appreciattion of how doing things that are different makes us all more resilent over the longer haul. many many people seem comfort in conformity and will follow. that's okay.

we just don't allow people to be. always trying to force...

micromismanagement

 

Re: australia and nz

Posted by sigismund on March 30, 2021, at 0:11:11

In reply to Re: australia and nz, posted by alexandra_k on March 29, 2021, at 17:42:48

>then i guess you could say that nzl has grown up, in recent years

I hope not. I never went there earlier, never thought to. Never seen anything north of Lake Taupo. Reminds me of Tasmania.

Wellington is lovely for me.

 

Re: australia and nz sigismund

Posted by alexandra_k on March 30, 2021, at 1:10:05

In reply to Re: australia and nz, posted by sigismund on March 30, 2021, at 0:11:11


> Wellington is lovely for me.

The water pipes keep gushing water. Years and years and years of corruption (refusal to upkeep the infrastructure).

People keep getting assaulted there. Around cuba street, in the city. It isn't safe to walk the streets, anymore.

The inequality got too much. Blanket man was quaint for them (the politicians). A homeless guy living on the street. Voluntary-like. That is what they had will to believe. That it was very civilised and tolerant of them to allow this Maori guy to live on the street corner. Just him and his blanket.

But now they are getting more organised. And armed.

Things are changing.

 

Re: australia and nz

Posted by alexandra_k on March 30, 2021, at 1:15:49

In reply to Re: australia and nz sigismund, posted by alexandra_k on March 30, 2021, at 1:10:05

The Universities in NZ have gone full on concentration camp / detention facility for rounding up the NZers who we aren't going to give minimum wage to.

Full on blatent about it.

Our qualifications are not recognised overseas. We don't recognise our own qualifications. We don't keep accurate transcripts. We don't keep accurate records of student progress. We refuse to allow our students to work to internatinoal standards of scholarship.

We refuse to publically advertise government jobs. We refuse to hire the most qualified. Cheap cheap cheap cheap how low can we go?

And the devloped world receeds... And we fall further and further behind...


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