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Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by alexandra_k on March 15, 2021, at 20:42:07

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by alexandra_k on March 4, 2021, at 12:36:06

I never did think that vapeing was a good idea.

I mean to say it seemed dangerous because of what we have learned about drugs and addiction and it seemed like a very very very easy and convenient way to get a lot of people addicted and then take advantage of that.

I mean so say I couldn't believe (only I could) how much public health in NZ got behind it.

It just seemed obvious to me that they would manipulate / change the recipe of what was in the product for the interests of maximum profits. Always. That was the plan.

I see it in the supermarkets in the very very highly processed foods.

Potato chips is a big deal in NZ. I don't know if it's an Irish thing or what but NZers eat potato chips like they're afraid there's going to be a famine... And it's about the flavorings and the perservatives... It's about the chemicals they are drenched in / with these days. And the branding alters and the pricing alters and the flavors alter... The chemical composition.

ANd they... Every now and then I realise... They taste nothing at all like potato chips. I mean to say... Potatoes and oil and a little salt. They are repositories of chemicals. Toxic chemicals. Made to increase sales and likely also increase the sales of pharamaceuticals now, too, that the food manufactuerers are being more explicit about being in and selling pharmaceuticals now as a remedy for the toxins in the food they sell the people...

It's...

Yeah...

But... The... Uh... Crack pipes. For the people. Yeah.

They reckon nicotine is around 4 x as addictive as heroin. I think that was based on how many people manage to quit vs not. War. Soldiors coming back after the war. They were given rations of both during the war, you see. And it was easier for them to quit heroin (or maybe it was morphene) than nicotine.

But there's more to cigarettes (addictive wise) than nicotine... I still do see people smoking...

And fentanyl...

Oxycodone.. I don't remember.

Methamphetamine...

Dollar dollar bills y'all.

I need to do a food detox. The food I've been eating is killing me.

That's why the NZ government gets the population health people to market it.

Obviously.

When they're not poisoning the water and refusing to comply with world standards on how much lead is acceptable.

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by alexandra_k on March 15, 2021, at 20:47:33

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by alexandra_k on March 15, 2021, at 20:42:07

Covid has done an interesting thing with food delivery.

You could think of it as war rations, really, couldn't you.

How the government chooses to distribute food to the people.

YOu know, the government chooses to give this person half a million every year and that other person needs to go beg to government officials for welfare payments...

This person gets sent x and y and z in their government rations while this other person over here gets...

They are saying that it's not safe to walk the streets in Wellington anymore.

The criminal element is organised.

The water pipes are bursting and water gushes up to the skies.

The corruption is catching up with us.

It's not safe for the wealthy elite to be seen in public anymore.

The major or whatever he was of Auckland posts a picture of rubbish strewn all over the streets about what disgusting pigs people are in Auckland.

They point out there's not a rubbish bin in sight.

And who gave them lisenses to sell the rubbish?

F*ck*ng idiots

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by alexandra_k on March 15, 2021, at 20:49:37

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by alexandra_k on March 15, 2021, at 20:47:33

And the people with guns will go to the corner store and demand they hand over the cig-liquid.

Then sell it on the streets.

What did the government think it was doing?

I am torn...

I am torn between thinking they are f*ck*ng idiots who don't think. Who have no f*ck*ng idea.

And thinking that they know exactly what they are doing.

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by alexandra_k on March 15, 2021, at 20:52:01

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by alexandra_k on March 15, 2021, at 20:49:37

I suppose it is about control of populations, really.

People don't want to be an individual amongst people. One amongst peers.

People want to dominate 'other' who are dumber than them and so on. Kept artificially that way.

Manchausen... I don't how to spell that. Munchausen Syndrome... By proxy. My population is retarded. Give me money.

I have 50 children and they won't get food (I promise) unless you give me $1 per day per child. They will all starve in their prison camp that I keep them in.

People build bomb shelters under childrens hospitals.

They know what they are doing.

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by alexandra_k on March 15, 2021, at 20:57:47

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by alexandra_k on March 15, 2021, at 20:52:01

That's how NZ gets to have 25 per cent of it's population disabled. They disabled 25 per cent of the population. That's what that means. They incapacitated them. They refuse to pay them properly and they refuse to allow them to work full time and they refuse to acknowledge that they have capacity and rights and so on.

They insist that they are intrinsically broken or damaged or malfunctioing or a liability. That they don't have the work capacity. That they don't have the ability.

They cry cry cry they demand they demand they demand more and more and more money for keeping more and more and more people disabled. For keeping them incapacitated. More and more and more money the government gives people for growing their population of people kept incapacitated.

It's a thing...

Some people intentionally want to have kids with disabilities and the like. Some people intentionally want kids with down syndrome. They intentionally want a kid who (they think of) as a kid who will stay a kid FOREVER. that will never leave them. That will die before them and not after. That will never grow up. That will always have less cognitive capacity than them. That will always needs them and always rely on them. And they will get extra money from everybody else in order to keep their kid. They wll get government money and the like.

That's a thing. A very real thing.

People want something they can cry to 'go fund me' about.

People are really f*ck*d up. An awful lot of them...

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by alexandra_k on March 15, 2021, at 20:59:29

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by alexandra_k on March 15, 2021, at 20:57:47

It is what the NZ government sold them. A dream. A way to be. Have a tribe of kids and they'll protect you.

Only...

SOme of them did.

They're walking around now with semi-automatics.

What did they think was going to happen??

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by Lamdage22 on March 15, 2021, at 23:48:34

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by alexandra_k on March 15, 2021, at 20:42:07

It is a good idea if you have been smoking regular cigarettes previously, which most vapers did before they became vapers. It is 20 fold or more less damaging than cigarettes.

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by Lamdage22 on March 15, 2021, at 23:49:11

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by Lamdage22 on March 15, 2021, at 23:48:34

Most people can't quit. But they can switch to vaping.

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by rjlockhart37 on March 16, 2021, at 0:08:13

In reply to German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by Lamdage22 on March 2, 2021, at 6:16:15

i live in texas, there dong alot of quit smoking ads on television and trying to get the ciggerettes slowly down. Flavored e-ciggs i think ... were trying to get banned, you now cherry and vanilla on e-ciggs but i saw them the other day. I'm not as skilled in telling whats going on in US, but there saying e-ciggs attract children because their flavored, and then they get the nicotine hook. But besides that there's not much restirction, but they just made it a law that you have to be 21 to buy ciggerettes. Vaping is big buisness in united states

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by Lamdage22 on March 16, 2021, at 3:21:23

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by rjlockhart37 on March 16, 2021, at 0:08:13

They are saying everything they can in order to stop people from switching from tobacco to vaping. Just because they are saying that doesnt mean it really is a big problem. I want to see data.

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by Lamdage22 on March 16, 2021, at 3:27:21

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by Lamdage22 on March 16, 2021, at 3:21:23

It saves much more lives than it costs!

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by Lamdage22 on March 16, 2021, at 5:22:48

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by Lamdage22 on March 16, 2021, at 3:27:21

At least right now where so many people are hooked on inhaled nicotine. It may change at a point where no one is hooked on nicotine anymore. But right now, it is doing more good than harm.

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by Lamdage22 on March 16, 2021, at 5:23:28

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by Lamdage22 on March 16, 2021, at 5:22:48

Because the alternative, smoking, is MUCH more harmful.

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by alexandra_k on March 23, 2021, at 2:47:42

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by Lamdage22 on March 16, 2021, at 5:23:28

yes. now. yes.

it does seem to be less harmful than smoking.

but whether or not it is less harmful than smoking depends on what they put in the vape substance. and it's not really regulated. so, whether it will remain less harmful is an open question.

it is trading one addition for another.

literally.

the tobacco companies are shifting their monies over so they can profit from sales of vapeing stuff rather than smoking stuff.

when i walk down the street and i get a whiff of... what smells (often) like caremelising sugar...

it wasn't so long ago they were trying to regulate against alcoholic ice-blocks because they were intentionally marketing to children.

they are still at it. and whoever has the authority to regulate is either on the the take or dragging their heels because....

i guess because they are on the take.

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by alexandra_k on March 23, 2021, at 2:48:51

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by alexandra_k on March 23, 2021, at 2:47:42

the concern is that once people are hooked then the prices will go up. and up. and up. because people are hooked. and why wouldn't you if you are getting away with it then i guess you are...

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by Lamdage22 on March 23, 2021, at 5:40:39

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by alexandra_k on March 23, 2021, at 2:47:42

Yeah, it is healthier. It does need to regulated in terms of what substances are allowed in Liquids. It is in Germany. I heard that in the Us there were THC Liquids around and they used Vitamin-E-Acetate to make the THC soluble in the Liquid. People died and it's not good.
But would would you prohibit drinking glasses because someone drank gasoline out of it and died? I wouldn't.

Im not so sure if Tobacco companies get anything out of it. If they did, they would be against the planned HEAVY taxation of Liquids. But they are perfectly fine with it. They were blunt enough to write that in a german newspaper that they are fine with it. Cigarettes get 50 cent more expensive, liquids 8 euro more.

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by Lamdage22 on March 23, 2021, at 5:41:51

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by Lamdage22 on March 23, 2021, at 5:40:39

That is if they can follow through with that massive BS that they planned.

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by Lamdage22 on March 23, 2021, at 5:46:34

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by Lamdage22 on March 23, 2021, at 5:40:39

Personally, I think they simply don't care and just want people to continue smoking cigarettes at all costs. According to them, you are supposed to pay 8 Eur tax for the equivalent of a pack of cigarettes.

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by Lamdage22 on March 23, 2021, at 5:50:29

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by Lamdage22 on March 23, 2021, at 5:46:34

They don't ban water either although it can be toxic if the wrong substances are in it.

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by alexandra_k on March 27, 2021, at 3:24:05

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by Lamdage22 on March 23, 2021, at 5:50:29

Yeah. The government just took control of / responsibility for water, here. Is in the process of it. Via a new Bill. They found lead in Otago and they found that they had redefined 'normal' levels of lead to be what other developed nations consider toxic. They found dead birds in the drinking water someplace else. They had an outbreak of e-coli from fecal contamination in Hastings a couple years back...

It looks like there is a move to liberalisation of drugs. In the US, anyway.

Not sure how I feel about it. On the one hand I do think that people's private business is their own private business. On the other hand... The social harms that arise from / result from people having ready access to such things...

It is a hard one. Quitting smoking was the hardest thing I ever did. I quit before vaping took off so I've never tried it.

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by Lamdage22 on March 27, 2021, at 4:04:13

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by alexandra_k on March 27, 2021, at 3:24:05

Yeah, Nicotine is pretty hardcore acutally if we are talking addiction. However, in its defense, it doesn't lead to psychosocial or occupational problems.

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by Lamdage22 on March 27, 2021, at 4:12:23

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by Lamdage22 on March 27, 2021, at 4:04:13

You don't end up on the street and you won't go nuts because of it, either.

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid Lamdage22

Posted by alexandra_k on March 27, 2021, at 20:16:00

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by Lamdage22 on March 27, 2021, at 4:12:23

Hmm...

It is a weird one / tricky thing...

I heard that nicotine was something like 4x as addictive as morphene. When it came to soldiors who had both during the war available to them as rations and then after the war how many of them were alright about being weaned off of morphene but not alright about being weaned off of cigarettes.

But I think that was morphene. Not heroin. And not fentynl. I think those latter things are (were designed to be?) more effective (additive?).

But what you say seems right about how people don't end up in the place they end up in over other drugs when it comes to cigarettes.

But maybe that is because cigarettes are relatively socially accepted and relatively freely available.

I mean... It it was socially accepted to smoke your crack pipe in the streets during the day the way it is socially accepted to smoke a cigarette... Well... It is coming to be, I suppose.

Hard to tell the difference between a vape pipe and... Well...

Maybe decriminalising and making these things socially accepted (more so) will have an effect of disempowering the harms.

I don't know.

I don't really feel that I understand / have a handle on things.

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by Lamdage22 on March 27, 2021, at 22:30:13

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid Lamdage22, posted by alexandra_k on March 27, 2021, at 20:16:00

Hmm I thin that some stuff causes you to stop taking care of yourself, legal or not.

 

Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid

Posted by Lamdage22 on March 27, 2021, at 22:34:36

In reply to Re: German lunatic politicians: 800%tax onE-Cig-Liquid, posted by Lamdage22 on March 27, 2021, at 22:30:13

But yeah, making stuff illegal adds to the problem.


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