Psycho-Babble Politics Thread 1047176

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There is no justice

Posted by sleepygirl2 on July 14, 2013, at 13:48:25

Or not enough of it

 

Re: There is no justice sleepygirl2

Posted by SLS on July 14, 2013, at 14:33:53

In reply to There is no justice, posted by sleepygirl2 on July 14, 2013, at 13:48:25

> Or not enough of it

A jury can only use for consideration what they are presented with.


- Scott

 

Re: There is no justice

Posted by Willful on July 14, 2013, at 17:39:44

In reply to There is no justice, posted by sleepygirl2 on July 14, 2013, at 13:48:25

Scott makes a good point. Many commentators thought the prosecution made a hash of their presentation, and didn't sufficiently focus on the overall situation and how it came about-- although others were surprised that there wasn't a manslaughter conviction... if we''re talking about what I think we'''re talking about.

Also the Justice Department is considering taking the case. .. so we''ll see.


 

Re: There is no justice

Posted by sigismund on July 17, 2013, at 2:06:30

In reply to Re: There is no justice, posted by Willful on July 14, 2013, at 17:39:44

>so we''ll see.

Civil rights action?

The non Murdoch press has been editorialising that he was just one of the more than 5,000 African Americans killed/murdered by guns last year in a culture that values gun ownership and in which ideas of the common good have gone, more or less.

Not to speak of the 'Stand your ground' stuff.
I would rather die under a bridge in Vermont.

I must read "The Unwinding"

 

How can there be justice? sigismund

Posted by Dinah on July 17, 2013, at 10:48:43

In reply to Re: There is no justice, posted by sigismund on July 17, 2013, at 2:06:30

If someone's ball is stolen, it's justice to give them another ball. What justice can there be when a life is gone?

It happens all the time, with or without guns. People make bad decisions and someone ends up dead. Sometimes it's one person who makes the poor choice, sometimes both make bad choices. I know of a similar incident among my acquaintances, where it was a knife and not a gun.

I don't carry a gun, and I won't carry a gun. In part because it's more likely I'll use it on myself than anyone else. And also because I know that a society where one must walk around armed and ready for vigilante action isn't one I want to live in.

However, gun ownership is pretty popular where I live and I know a goodly number of gun owners with the utmost respect for life and a firm regard for the common good. What they don't have is a feeling that they live in a safe world. Guns give them an often false sense of security. Zimmerman quite likely had no intention of using his gun, but would he have been as likely to leave his car if he didn't have it? How often are people shot with their own guns - particularly in a hands on fight?

What makes me saddest about all this is one life ruined because of poor choices, and a young man dead and with no choices to make again, ever.

What makes me angriest is the irresponsible media coverage. If it was just this once, I'd not be so angry, but it happens over and over and over again. What happened to getting the facts, checking sources, etc.? In this internet age, it's a rush to get the story out, then correct it (sometimes) in rewrites. Of course, once it's been reported people tend to believe the first thing they read, and to discount the corrections. There is no smoke without fire, etc. It's revolting. I'm not even claiming it was manipulated for ideological purposes. I think it's just the race for the clicks. Didn't I read recently that some "news" person said not to worry about grammatical errors because it will lead to responses in the comments section?

(As far as the verdict, had they gone for manslaughter from the beginning, and built their case around that - making sure they have sufficient evidence, they may well have been successful. I don't see anyone getting an offer from a Wall Street firm from this case.)

 

Re: How can there be justice? Dinah

Posted by sigismund on July 17, 2013, at 15:47:02

In reply to How can there be justice? sigismund, posted by Dinah on July 17, 2013, at 10:48:43

I think the editorial here said the rate of death from firearms was 1/32 what it is in the US.

After reading Joe Bageant I started to see things a little differently. I am glad we don't have more guns. We are quite violent enough already here.

One interesting thing here is that in say 10 years we won't have any hard copies of non Murdoch papers, which means that a nearly 500 year stretch is finishing. Of course there will be news and journalism, but that binding force of the daily newspaper with its collection of opinions and some quality control will not be with us any more.

George Packer (the writer of Unwinding) said yesterday that he wondered if Australian egalitarianism had been a brake on that stripmall development that the midwest is now famous for. Not much any more.

By the time the program explained Stand your ground, I was quite upset. What did my Spanish teacher say to me about our indigenous population 'You killed them all, didn't you?'. Which was what I felt when talking to a perfectly nice man from Argentina at breakfast when he said that Argentina and Australia had so much in common. I was with a mixed indigenous person from Peru, and all I could think was 'Yes, we pretty much both wiped them out, didn't we?' And I could not think of anything else to say.

 

Re: There is no justice

Posted by Phillipa on July 19, 2013, at 9:52:01

In reply to Re: There is no justice sleepygirl2, posted by SLS on July 14, 2013, at 14:33:53

I stumbled upon this. The topic is not discussed on facebook any longer the concensus was that the verdict was fair? Phillipa


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