Psycho-Babble Politics Thread 1036366

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Re: Funny, but civil? How are you? I'm okay. Meatwood_Flack

Posted by SLS on January 24, 2013, at 13:45:32

In reply to Re: Funny, but civil? How are you? I'm okay., posted by Meatwood_Flack on January 24, 2013, at 11:36:47

> I agree that it's difficult to fault someone for the teachings (whether conscious or not) of their parents. I began distancing myself from some of the less savory aspects of what I was learning about beliefs and behaviors from my parents as a teenager (the psychological developmental term is individuation, which is a fancy word for rebellion, where the child begins to seek their own identity), but I know there are still tendencies that I still carry that I learned from them. I'm not sure that expecting someone to move past the more destructive lessons is unreasonable. After all, we now have a black President, roughly 148 years years after the end of the Civil War so, clearly, negative attitudes passed through generations have slowly changed. As for Mel, I know he has a strong background and continuing attachment with Catholicism. What's interesting about Christianity's relationship to Judaism is believers seem to fall into one of two distinctly different camps. Either Jews are the chosen people of God, or Jews are responsible for the death of Jesus. Because I am agnostic (and more importantly, human), Jews are just people to me. Yes, 6 million of them died in concentration camps under the direction of Hitler. Yes, they have been a target of persecution for ages. But many have also managed to achieve great success, as well. By the same token, 20 million Russians died under Stalin in World War II. Untold millions of indigenous peoples died under the onslaught of our conquest of America and there's no official tally of innocent dead in the Middle East, either as a direct result of our military involement or, simply, as a result of our policies there. These are all tragedies. Another interesting point about Catholicism: The Vatican assisted a number of ranking members of the Nazi Party in escaping Germany (and capture) at the end of World War II. Human history is littered with ugliness, so I guess the part of me that groaned when I heard about Mel's drunken anti-Semitic remarks during his arrest a few years back is the idealistic part, that wishes we could all get along. But, as you say, nurture can be tough to overcome, and Mel doesn't strike me as the introspective, enlightened type. He's just an entertainer. And, yes, the sarcasm shone through.

As far as Mel Gibson is concerned, he learned his antisemitic tendencies from his father, Hutton Gibson, who is an avowed antisemite who has authored material claiming that the Holocaust never happened, etc. Alcohol sometimes makes for a good "truth-serum" as it relaxes one's inhibitions (disinhibition). Old messages are hard to extinguish.


- Scott

 

Re: Funny, but civil? How are you? I'm okay. SLS

Posted by Meatwood_Flack on February 2, 2013, at 19:44:36

In reply to Re: Funny, but civil? How are you? I'm okay. Meatwood_Flack, posted by SLS on January 24, 2013, at 13:45:32

> As far as Mel Gibson is concerned, he learned his antisemitic tendencies from his father, Hutton Gibson, who is an avowed antisemite who has authored material claiming that the Holocaust never happened, etc. Alcohol sometimes makes for a good "truth-serum" as it relaxes one's inhibitions (disinhibition). Old messages are hard to extinguish.
> - Scott

I didn't realize this thread had been redirected, but it makes sense that it was. I had read about Mel's father shortly after Mel's arrest and remember thinking, "Well, like father, like son." Sadly, you are correct about old messages being hard to extinguish, but I suppose if they weren't, we'd never learn positive lessons from our parents. Nature appears to be blind to concepts like morality. I learned, the hard way, about the truth serum qualities of alcohol my first year of college. It took a few punches to the face for me to finally decide to get a better control over my mouth. I think Freud's most important contribution to the world was his concept of the subconscious. It's a powerful thing.

 

Re: old messages

Posted by Dr. Bob on February 13, 2013, at 22:30:20

In reply to Re: Funny, but civil? How are you? I'm okay. SLS, posted by Meatwood_Flack on February 2, 2013, at 19:44:36

> you are correct about old messages being hard to extinguish, but I suppose if they weren't, we'd never learn positive lessons

Does "messages" include posts here?

Bob


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