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Re: Lou's response-greytryb

Posted by Phil on January 28, 2013, at 0:51:53

In reply to Lou's response-greytryb » ChicagoKat, posted by Lou Pilder on January 23, 2013, at 14:56:59

Lou wrote,

So I wrote,
Chi Kat,
You wrote,[...I need help...Any kind of advice...feeling more like dying..If anyone has any advice...].

Just wanted to get that right. Now I need someone to tell me WTF it means. I guess it's the wind up before the pitch.

 

Lou's response-spirtanlyph

Posted by Lou Pilder on January 28, 2013, at 0:51:54

In reply to Lou's response-greytryb » ChicagoKat, posted by Lou Pilder on January 23, 2013, at 14:56:59

> > I need help, support, whatever. Any kind of advice on how to get through this. I am on a Ritalin holiday, or The Suck as Meatwood suggested.
> >
> > I'm not on anything else except for Tegretol. I woke up from a nap about an hour ago feeling more like dying than I ever have. I feel so miserable it is beyond endurance.
> >
> > If anyone has any advice, I'm all ears. I'd do anything to feel better. Taking Ritalin is not an option; I took two yesterday and it did absolutely nothing for me, so I did this holiday.
> > Please help me if you can,
> > Kat
>
> Chi Kat,
> You wrote,[...I need help...Any kind of advice...feeling more like dying..If anyone has any advice...].
ChiKat,
Now I see that you are in the Last Day. But I say to you that I see one without Spirit and without Life. One can be raised up out of death and into a new life. And when I was on the sea shore and the dark clouds were coming in and I felt like you write here today, in my Last Day, without spirit and without life.
And behold, a Rider on a white horse appeared and I said to him, "I thirst and hunger and have no life or spirit."
Then he said to me, "Labor not for the food which perishes, but for the food that endures into everlasting life. Truly I say to you that your fathers did eat manna from heaven and they are dead. I am the Bread of Life, the living bread, which comes down from heaven that if any man eat of me he receives my Spirit and he shall never die. And he that eats of me I will raise him up in his Last Day. It is the Spirit that gives life.The words that I speak to you, they are Spirit and they are Life."
Lou

 

Re: Lou's response-spirtanlyph » Lou Pilder

Posted by Meatwood_Flack on January 28, 2013, at 0:51:55

In reply to Lou's response-spirtanlyph, posted by Lou Pilder on January 23, 2013, at 15:41:54

Spirituality can be a good thing, because it reminds us of our connection to each other, to the planet, and to the universe. The basic theme of spirituality is "We Are Family" (with apologies to Sister Sledge.) Religion, on the other hand, is divisive by nature, because each one claims to have "The Truth" and regards anyone outside its circle as being "lost" or an "infidel." Religion takes stories written to show people how to behave and get along to be happy and turns them into fact (when even Jesus was written to have used parables -- stories that didn't really happen -- as teaching tools), while also creating laws they ascribe as being passed down by a supernatural being. Believe what you like: Yaweh, Allah, Jesus, Xenu, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, whatever gets you through the night. But please don't insinuate that any of them offer a way around death. Everything and everyone ever born dies. That's why the oldest person on Earth is never more than maybe 114 years old. Prayer and faith work for some people, science works for others. We're all just trying to get through as best we can and if your faith has brought you wholeness and peace, that's great. But we all die.

 

Re: Lou's response-spirtanlyph » Lou Pilder

Posted by schleprock on January 28, 2013, at 0:51:55

In reply to Lou's response-spirtanlyph, posted by Lou Pilder on January 23, 2013, at 15:41:54

> > > I need help, support, whatever. Any kind of advice on how to get through this. I am on a Ritalin holiday, or The Suck as Meatwood suggested.
> > >
> > > I'm not on anything else except for Tegretol. I woke up from a nap about an hour ago feeling more like dying than I ever have. I feel so miserable it is beyond endurance.
> > >
> > > If anyone has any advice, I'm all ears. I'd do anything to feel better. Taking Ritalin is not an option; I took two yesterday and it did absolutely nothing for me, so I did this holiday.
> > > Please help me if you can,
> > > Kat
> >
> > Chi Kat,
> > You wrote,[...I need help...Any kind of advice...feeling more like dying..If anyone has any advice...].
> ChiKat,
> Now I see that you are in the Last Day. But I say to you that I see one without Spirit and without Life. One can be raised up out of death and into a new life. And when I was on the sea shore and the dark clouds were coming in and I felt like you write here today, in my Last Day, without spirit and without life.
> And behold, a Rider on a white horse appeared and I said to him, "I thirst and hunger and have no life or spirit."
> Then he said to me, "Labor not for the food which perishes, but for the food that endures into everlasting life. Truly I say to you that your fathers did eat manna from heaven and they are dead. I am the Bread of Life, the living bread, which comes down from heaven that if any man eat of me he receives my Spirit and he shall never die. And he that eats of me I will raise him up in his Last Day. It is the Spirit that gives life.The words that I speak to you, they are Spirit and they are Life."
> Lou
>
>

I don't see Kat's insurance covering this, Lou.

 

Lou's response-ovrcomdeth » Meatwood_Flack

Posted by Lou Pilder on January 28, 2013, at 0:51:56

In reply to Re: Lou's response-spirtanlyph » Lou Pilder, posted by Meatwood_Flack on January 23, 2013, at 16:30:54

> Spirituality can be a good thing, because it reminds us of our connection to each other, to the planet, and to the universe. The basic theme of spirituality is "We Are Family" (with apologies to Sister Sledge.) Religion, on the other hand, is divisive by nature, because each one claims to have "The Truth" and regards anyone outside its circle as being "lost" or an "infidel." Religion takes stories written to show people how to behave and get along to be happy and turns them into fact (when even Jesus was written to have used parables -- stories that didn't really happen -- as teaching tools), while also creating laws they ascribe as being passed down by a supernatural being. Believe what you like: Yaweh, Allah, Jesus, Xenu, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, whatever gets you through the night. But please don't insinuate that any of them offer a way around death. Everything and everyone ever born dies. That's why the oldest person on Earth is never more than maybe 114 years old. Prayer and faith work for some people, science works for others. We're all just trying to get through as best we can and if your faith has brought you wholeness and peace, that's great. But we all die.

Friends,
If you have read the post here by Meatwood_ Flack, you can see the statement that I am not to insinuate that any religion offers a way around death.
In the scriptures that he Jews use, Job writes, "If a man die, shall he live again?" And David said that he would dwell in the house of the Lord forever. And Danial writes of a resurrection of the dead. And in the book called Genesis, it writes that when a man dies, his body returns to the dust in the ground and his spirit returns to God.
Now it has been revealed to me that there is another life in The World Tomorrow, a world of peace and joy. But it is much more than that, for this World Tomorrow can be indwelling in you today. Now is the time to passover from this world to the World Tomorrow. And when you are in that kingdom, all things will be new, old things will pass away. Depression will pass away. Addiction will pass away. And the Rider on the white horse shall feed them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And in this revelation I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, "The dwelling place of God is with men and He shall dwell with them, and they shall be his people. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain, for the former things are passed away. And He that spoke to me said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful." And He said to me, "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to him that athirsts of the fountain of the water of life freely. And he that overcomes shall inherit all things and I will be his God, and he shall be my son."
Lou

 

Re: Lou's response-ovrcomdeth » Lou Pilder

Posted by Meatwood_Flack on January 28, 2013, at 0:51:56

In reply to Lou's response-ovrcomdeth » Meatwood_Flack, posted by Lou Pilder on January 23, 2013, at 21:51:59

You wrote:
"If you have read the post here by Meatwood_ Flack, you can see the statement that I am not to insinuate that any religion offers a way around death."

I never stated that you are "not to," I made a request that you "please don't," but if feeling persecuted is your pleasure, knock yourself out. You overlook the most important line of my post: Whatever gets you through the night.

"In the scriptures that he Jews use, Job writes, "If a man die, shall he live again?" And David said that he would dwell in the house of the Lord forever."

Since we're interpreting scripture as literal, Job's life was ruined and members of his family were killed so Jehovah could win a bet with Lucifer. And how does David get to dwell in the house of the Lord forever, when he had a soldier sent to the front lines of a battle to be killed so that he could sleep with the man's wife? Or were those portions not meant to be taken literally?

"And in the book called Genesis, it writes that when a man dies, his body returns to the dust in the ground and his spirit returns to God."

Genesis also says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth, and the Earth was without form and void." If the Earth was without form and void, then there was no Earth. And our bodies, indeed, return to dust. But the existence of the body can be observed. The existence of a spirit is speculation and hope.

"Now it has been revealed to me that there is another life in The World Tomorrow, a world of peace and joy."

The teachings of the Koran were revealed to Mohammed. The teachings of the Book of Mormom were revealed to John Smith. The truths of Scientology were revealed to L. Ron Hubbard, a science fiction writer. The Ten Commandments were revealed to Moses. Why does God always seem to reveal himself to one person? Why doesn't he just cut out the middleman and reveal himself to everyone, say at halftime of the Super Bowl?

"And he that overcomes shall inherit all things and I will be his God, and he shall be my son."

Are women excluded from this relationship?
Also, the post you quoted me from and responded to here is from a different thread. Keeping it there would have been fine. Bringing it to this thread is a form of hijacking.
Have a wonderful evening and may peace and grace truly be yours.

 

Re: Lou's response-ovrcomdeth » Lou Pilder

Posted by Meatwood_Flack on January 28, 2013, at 0:51:57

In reply to Lou's response-ovrcomdeth » Meatwood_Flack, posted by Lou Pilder on January 23, 2013, at 21:51:59

The post you were referring to was from this thread, so my mistake. I apologize. I missed it on the list.

 

@meatwood flack » Meatwood_Flack

Posted by brynb on January 28, 2013, at 0:52:50

In reply to , posted by on December 31, 1969, at 18:00:00

> The teachings of the Koran were revealed to Mohammed. The teachings of the Book of Mormom were revealed to John Smith. The truths of Scientology were revealed to L. Ron Hubbard, a science fiction writer. The Ten Commandments were revealed to Moses. Why does God always seem to reveal himself to one person? Why doesn't he just cut out the middleman and reveal himself to everyone, say at halftime of the Super Bowl.


Hi MF-

If G-d or any of the other big wigs show up at the Superbowl, I need A LOT more help than I'm getting, lol.

I'm Jewish (not religious--it's really a cultural thing). Not that it matters; I just wanted you to know I found your response to Lou right on the money & quite funny (didn't mean to rhyme!).

-b

 

Re: @meatwood flack » brynb

Posted by Meatwood_Flack on January 28, 2013, at 0:52:51

In reply to @meatwood flack » Meatwood_Flack, posted by brynb on January 27, 2013, at 15:17:16

I think people can honor their faith and/or cultural traditions in ways that enrich themselves and their communities. It's the folks who claim to have something to sell that I'm leery of.

 

Re: @meatwood flack » Meatwood_Flack

Posted by brynb on January 28, 2013, at 0:52:51

In reply to Re: @meatwood flack » brynb, posted by Meatwood_Flack on January 27, 2013, at 15:25:27

Touché!

Hope you're well...

B

 

Lou's reply-muvmowntenz » Meatwood_Flack

Posted by Lou Pilder on January 28, 2013, at 0:52:51

In reply to , posted by on December 31, 1969, at 18:00:00

> You wrote:
> "If you have read the post here by Meatwood_ Flack, you can see the statement that I am not to insinuate that any religion offers a way around death."
>
> I never stated that you are "not to," I made a request that you "please don't," but if feeling persecuted is your pleasure, knock yourself out. You overlook the most important line of my post: Whatever gets you through the night.
>
> "In the scriptures that he Jews use, Job writes, "If a man die, shall he live again?" And David said that he would dwell in the house of the Lord forever."
>
> Since we're interpreting scripture as literal, Job's life was ruined and members of his family were killed so Jehovah could win a bet with Lucifer. And how does David get to dwell in the house of the Lord forever, when he had a soldier sent to the front lines of a battle to be killed so that he could sleep with the man's wife? Or were those portions not meant to be taken literally?
>
> "And in the book called Genesis, it writes that when a man dies, his body returns to the dust in the ground and his spirit returns to God."
>
> Genesis also says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth, and the Earth was without form and void." If the Earth was without form and void, then there was no Earth. And our bodies, indeed, return to dust. But the existence of the body can be observed. The existence of a spirit is speculation and hope.
>
> "Now it has been revealed to me that there is another life in The World Tomorrow, a world of peace and joy."
>
> The teachings of the Koran were revealed to Mohammed. The teachings of the Book of Mormom were revealed to John Smith. The truths of Scientology were revealed to L. Ron Hubbard, a science fiction writer. The Ten Commandments were revealed to Moses. Why does God always seem to reveal himself to one person? Why doesn't he just cut out the middleman and reveal himself to everyone, say at halftime of the Super Bowl?
>
> "And he that overcomes shall inherit all things and I will be his God, and he shall be my son."
>
> Are women excluded from this relationship?
> Also, the post you quoted me from and responded to here is from a different thread. Keeping it there would have been fine. Bringing it to this thread is a form of hijacking.
> Have a wonderful evening and may peace and grace truly be yours.

> M-Flack,
You wrote,[...why does not god reveal Himself to everyone?...].
What has been revealed to me is that the God that I give service and worship to, which is the same God that the Jews do also, is revealing Himself to all. This is done by many ways.
One way is the creation itself, for it is written that the heavens declare the glory of God. And the firmament His handywork.
But all of the revelation takes one thing. And that one thing is faith. And how does one have faith? Where does faith comne from? It has been revealed to me that faith comes by hearing the Word of God. The Rider on the white horse is the Word of God. Faith comes by hearing Him, either by direct revelation or by reading what He said or hearing someone reading what He said. And it is written that the just shall live by faith. Faith is what enables one to overcome the world. And he that overcomes will drink of the fountain of life freely.
Friends, the words that the Rider spoke that I have recorded here are the words that faith comes by. That is why I post those words, so that faith could come to you. And when faith comes to you , your depression will vanish and you will be made free from addiction.
My friends, I am prevented from posting here what could have faith come to you due to the prohibitions to me by Mr Hsiung. This faith that I am talking about is a faith that could bring power to you to overcome.
Lou


 

Lou's reply-ihnhizihmage

Posted by Lou Pilder on January 28, 2013, at 17:15:49

In reply to Lou's reply-muvmowntenz » Meatwood_Flack, posted by Lou Pilder on January 28, 2013, at 0:52:51

> > You wrote:
> > "If you have read the post here by Meatwood_ Flack, you can see the statement that I am not to insinuate that any religion offers a way around death."
> >
> > I never stated that you are "not to," I made a request that you "please don't," but if feeling persecuted is your pleasure, knock yourself out. You overlook the most important line of my post: Whatever gets you through the night.
> >
> > "In the scriptures that he Jews use, Job writes, "If a man die, shall he live again?" And David said that he would dwell in the house of the Lord forever."
> >
> > Since we're interpreting scripture as literal, Job's life was ruined and members of his family were killed so Jehovah could win a bet with Lucifer. And how does David get to dwell in the house of the Lord forever, when he had a soldier sent to the front lines of a battle to be killed so that he could sleep with the man's wife? Or were those portions not meant to be taken literally?
> >
> > "And in the book called Genesis, it writes that when a man dies, his body returns to the dust in the ground and his spirit returns to God."
> >
> > Genesis also says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth, and the Earth was without form and void." If the Earth was without form and void, then there was no Earth. And our bodies, indeed, return to dust. But the existence of the body can be observed. The existence of a spirit is speculation and hope.
> >
> > "Now it has been revealed to me that there is another life in The World Tomorrow, a world of peace and joy."
> >
> > The teachings of the Koran were revealed to Mohammed. The teachings of the Book of Mormom were revealed to John Smith. The truths of Scientology were revealed to L. Ron Hubbard, a science fiction writer. The Ten Commandments were revealed to Moses. Why does God always seem to reveal himself to one person? Why doesn't he just cut out the middleman and reveal himself to everyone, say at halftime of the Super Bowl?
> >
> > "And he that overcomes shall inherit all things and I will be his God, and he shall be my son."
> >
> > Are women excluded from this relationship?
> > Also, the post you quoted me from and responded to here is from a different thread. Keeping it there would have been fine. Bringing it to this thread is a form of hijacking.
> > Have a wonderful evening and may peace and grace truly be yours.
>
> > M-Flack,
> You wrote,[...why does not god reveal Himself to everyone?...].
> What has been revealed to me is that the God that I give service and worship to, which is the same God that the Jews do also, is revealing Himself to all. This is done by many ways.
> One way is the creation itself, for it is written that the heavens declare the glory of God. And the firmament His handywork.
> But all of the revelation takes one thing. And that one thing is faith. And how does one have faith? Where does faith comne from? It has been revealed to me that faith comes by hearing the Word of God. The Rider on the white horse is the Word of God. Faith comes by hearing Him, either by direct revelation or by reading what He said or hearing someone reading what He said. And it is written that the just shall live by faith. Faith is what enables one to overcome the world. And he that overcomes will drink of the fountain of life freely.
> Friends, the words that the Rider spoke that I have recorded here are the words that faith comes by. That is why I post those words, so that faith could come to you. And when faith comes to you , your depression will vanish and you will be made free from addiction.
> My friends, I am prevented from posting here what could have faith come to you due to the prohibitions to me by Mr Hsiung. This faith that I am talking about is a faith that could bring power to you to overcome.
> Lou
>
> Friends,
You can see what M_Flack has posted. But do you really know what the verses that are quoted mean?
You can have the knowledge that could save your life and lead you out of the darkness of depression and addiction by reading here what as been revealed to me. You see, a question was why concerning the account of David and Bathsheba about the house of the Lord forever. And if why that, then why is there death? Could not God hve created man so that he could live forever and never die?
Lou
>

 

Re: Lou's reply-ihnhizihmage » Lou Pilder

Posted by SLS on January 28, 2013, at 18:48:38

In reply to Lou's reply-ihnhizihmage, posted by Lou Pilder on January 28, 2013, at 17:15:49

> And if why that, then why is there death? Could not God hve created man so that he could live forever and never die?

Maybe He did.

Perhaps man screwed up and got tossed out of the Garden of Eden on his butt, thus forfeiting immortality.

What do you think?

It might be considered by some to be a great misfortune, but eternal life and procreation do not mix well when resources are limited.


- Scott

 

Re: Lou's reply-muvmowntenz » Lou Pilder

Posted by Meatwood_Flack on January 28, 2013, at 23:42:32

In reply to Lou's reply-muvmowntenz » Meatwood_Flack, posted by Lou Pilder on January 28, 2013, at 0:52:51

Why reveal yourself in a way that requires faith? Aside from freeing yourself of the burden of proof? So we are left to guess as to which of the numerous holy books our species has written over the ages is telling the truth. And, if we guess wrong, we're punished, eternally. The idea that God would create the universe and everything in it because he wanted people (who inhabit a remote planet that doesn't even amount to a speck in its own galaxy, let alone the universe) to either love Him or burn is hard for me to understand. Maybe all the holy books are right, and we just read them wrong....

 

Re: Lou's reply-ihnhizihmage » Lou Pilder

Posted by Meatwood_Flack on January 28, 2013, at 23:52:20

In reply to Lou's reply-ihnhizihmage, posted by Lou Pilder on January 28, 2013, at 17:15:49

Could not God hve created man so that he could live forever and never die?


Interestingly enough, as the story goes, God only forbade Adam and Eve to eat from two trees in the Garden: The Tree of Life and The Tree of Knowledge. They caved to temptation and went with the Tree of Knowledge. Which was actually the wisest choice of the two. Would you rather be eternally ignorant or temporarily wise? Yes, they could have eaten from the Tree of Life, but life without death would be meaningless.

 

Lou's reply-treoflyph » Meatwood_Flack

Posted by Lou Pilder on January 29, 2013, at 19:51:37

In reply to Re: Lou's reply-ihnhizihmage » Lou Pilder, posted by Meatwood_Flack on January 28, 2013, at 23:52:20

> Could not God hve created man so that he could live forever and never die?
>
>
> Interestingly enough, as the story goes, God only forbade Adam and Eve to eat from two trees in the Garden: The Tree of Life and The Tree of Knowledge. They caved to temptation and went with the Tree of Knowledge. Which was actually the wisest choice of the two. Would you rather be eternally ignorant or temporarily wise? Yes, they could have eaten from the Tree of Life, but life without death would be meaningless.
>
> M_Flack,
You wrote,[...The Tree of Life..].
Here are some links to posts where I wrote about the tree of life from 107 and 2008,
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20070227/msgs/816330.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080809/msgs/866750.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20070227/msgs/813739.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20070227/msgs/814447.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20070227/msgs/812776.html

>


 

Re: Lou's reply-treoflyph » Lou Pilder

Posted by Meatwood_Flack on January 30, 2013, at 20:36:18

In reply to Lou's reply-treoflyph » Meatwood_Flack, posted by Lou Pilder on January 29, 2013, at 19:51:37

Interesting reading. My own, early religious upbringing was in a Southern Baptist church, probably at least 150 miles from the nearest Jewish temple, so I never learned much about that faith apart from my own reading of the Old Testament. I'm glad your faith brings you peace and sustenance. My own search for truth led me down a different path, I suppose. Thanks for sharing.

 

Lou's reply-wthowtfrmanvoyd » Meatwood_Flack

Posted by Lou Pilder on February 2, 2013, at 9:21:55

In reply to Re: Lou's reply-treoflyph » Lou Pilder, posted by Meatwood_Flack on January 30, 2013, at 20:36:18

> Interesting reading. My own, early religious upbringing was in a Southern Baptist church, probably at least 150 miles from the nearest Jewish temple, so I never learned much about that faith apart from my own reading of the Old Testament. I'm glad your faith brings you peace and sustenance. My own search for truth led me down a different path, I suppose. Thanks for sharing.

M_Flack,
You wrote the above.
Now I have had many a discussion with those belonging to the Southern Baptist Convention and groups of like kind beliefs and have as a Jew been able to bring Jewish beliefs and those of the Baptists' to a greater understanding. One of those understandings is a major one that I have been attempting to bring to this forum as a Jew here.
Th major understanding does involve the Tree of Life. The Tree of Life was there, according to the scriptures that he Jews use, in the beginning, in the Garden, in the Paradise of God. The tree was in the midst of the Garden. And there was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil there also.
And it has been revealed to me that the Rider on the white horse was there also, in the midst of Adam and Eve. The Rider has been revealed to me as God incarnate, The Word of God. And Melchiszedek was visited by The Prince of Peace, also God incarnate as revealed to me.
Now I am pevented here from posting what IMHHHO could save lives and give people a whole new life free from addiction and depression due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung. But you may, because of your background with the SBC, see what I am intending to post here to free the captives of drugs that want a way out, a way out of the darkness of dispair and into a marvelous light of peace and joy.
In your bible that the SBC uses, there is a verse that reads:
[...wherever two or more are gathered in my name, I will be in the midst of them...]. The tree of life was in the midst of Adam and Eve. The tree of life could be in the midst of those now, and one could eat of the fruit of the tree of life and be freed from death. Death of the mind, death of the soul, and be freed from the bondage of addiction and depression. This site will not allow me to post what is neded by me for the Gate to open to the tree of life now, right now, not later, for one to come out of the darkness and into a marvelous light. And this site is for suppport, support of what? Oh, the horrors of this all as I see those writing about killing themselves on drugs and wanting a drug to stop them when the FDA admits that the drugs could increase suicidal thinking. Where is the form of it, how long will there be this void that has been revealed to me be prohibited for me to be posted here?
Lou

To see what I am referring to:Go to the search box at the end of this page and type in
[admin,7968] and the 7968 is in the colored stripas the url

 

correction: Lou's reply-wthowtfrmanvoyd

Posted by Lou Pilder on February 2, 2013, at 9:29:03

In reply to Lou's reply-wthowtfrmanvoyd » Meatwood_Flack, posted by Lou Pilder on February 2, 2013, at 9:21:55

> > Interesting reading. My own, early religious upbringing was in a Southern Baptist church, probably at least 150 miles from the nearest Jewish temple, so I never learned much about that faith apart from my own reading of the Old Testament. I'm glad your faith brings you peace and sustenance. My own search for truth led me down a different path, I suppose. Thanks for sharing.
>
> M_Flack,
> You wrote the above.
> Now I have had many a discussion with those belonging to the Southern Baptist Convention and groups of like kind beliefs and have as a Jew been able to bring Jewish beliefs and those of the Baptists' to a greater understanding. One of those understandings is a major one that I have been attempting to bring to this forum as a Jew here.
> Th major understanding does involve the Tree of Life. The Tree of Life was there, according to the scriptures that he Jews use, in the beginning, in the Garden, in the Paradise of God. The tree was in the midst of the Garden. And there was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil there also.
> And it has been revealed to me that the Rider on the white horse was there also, in the midst of Adam and Eve. The Rider has been revealed to me as God incarnate, The Word of God. And Melchiszedek was visited by The Prince of Peace, also God incarnate as revealed to me.
> Now I am pevented here from posting what IMHHHO could save lives and give people a whole new life free from addiction and depression due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung. But you may, because of your background with the SBC, see what I am intending to post here to free the captives of drugs that want a way out, a way out of the darkness of dispair and into a marvelous light of peace and joy.
> In your bible that the SBC uses, there is a verse that reads:
> [...wherever two or more are gathered in my name, I will be in the midst of them...]. The tree of life was in the midst of Adam and Eve. The tree of life could be in the midst of those now, and one could eat of the fruit of the tree of life and be freed from death. Death of the mind, death of the soul, and be freed from the bondage of addiction and depression. This site will not allow me to post what is neded by me for the Gate to open to the tree of life now, right now, not later, for one to come out of the darkness and into a marvelous light. And this site is for suppport, support of what? Oh, the horrors of this all as I see those writing about killing themselves on drugs and wanting a drug to stop them when the FDA admits that the drugs could increase suicidal thinking. Where is the form of it, how long will there be this void that has been revealed to me be prohibited for me to be posted here?
> Lou
>
> To see what I am referring to:Go to the search box at the end of this page and type in
> [admin,7968] and the 7968 is in the colored stripas the url

Friends,
I left out part of a statement.
In writing about Melchizedek, He visited Abraham, as revealed to me to be God incarnate, the Rider, The Word of God, The Prince of Peace.
Lou

 

Re: correction: Lou's reply-wthowtfrmanvoyd

Posted by Meatwood_Flack on February 4, 2013, at 14:15:12

In reply to correction: Lou's reply-wthowtfrmanvoyd, posted by Lou Pilder on February 2, 2013, at 9:29:03

Why would God even create a Tree of Life and a Tree of Knowledge if He didn't want Adam and Eve eating their fruits? Was He, simply, testing their loyalty? That sounds more like a human impulse than a divine impulse. Because it's vain. Didn't He also tell Abraham to kill his son as a sacrifice to Him? Didn't He also destroy Job's life to prove to Lucifer that Job's devotion to Him was unshakeable? Did He not also send His own son to be tortured and killed because of the actions of others? Does this not sound like utter madness to you? How shaky would your self esteem have to be in order to demand such extreme measures to prove one's loyalty to you? The only other possibility is simple arrogance, which is a more realistic explanation. If I were God I'd probably be arrogant, too. At least as arrogant as the folks who strap bomb belts onto themselves and then detonate at the appointed target because they believe that's what God wants them to do, or the American politicians and businessmen who stole land from the Native Americans because they believed that's what God wanted them to do. It's an arrogance that I also see in you. You repeatedly say you have the ultimate secret to happiness and freedom from illness, but Dr. Hsiung won't allow you to share it. How convenient. This "prohibition" absolves you of the responsibility to provide any proof for your claims. Honestly, if I had information that could bring relief to anyone who read, and heeded, my message, the threat of a week's suspension from the board would not be enough of a threat to keep me from sharing it. Why should anyone take your claims more seriously than they would of a Shiite Muslim who explains why infidels are to be killed? If God is as all-knowing and all-powerful as He is promoted to be, why are we still arguing (and dying) over who He is? We've made a lot of discoveries about life and the universe in the time since those books were written, discoveries that, sometimes, threaten those early beliefs. Religious teachings serve a human purpose. Why else would God embody such human characteristics as vanity, anger and jealousy? The larger problem is that people use God as a justification for their own prejudices. You, yourself, interpret opposition to your ideas as Anti-Semitism because you happen to be Jewish. You hide behind it, the same way you hide behind supposed prohibitions from Dr. Hsiung to your revealing the non-pharmaceutical path out of depression and addiction. My main objection to religion (aside from the abuses committed in its name) is that it desperately seeks to subdue the intellect. But, if we are God's creations (and, indeed, created in His image), is not the intellect also created by God? What's weird is my intellect says there is no God, so why would God give us something that made it less likely that we would believe in Him? Or is He just screwing with us, the way He screwed with Abraham, Job and Jesus? Speaking of being all-powerful, it could be argued that God at least allows mental illness to exist. And murder to exist. And cancer to exist. And every other source of pain or sorrow to exist. Why? I was taught that God loves us, so what's up with all the suffering? To be fair, suffering can actually enrich one's life, provided that the suffering ends at some point. But what of suffering that continues, unchecked? Where's the lesson? What possible purpose could there be for such suffering? Is God trying to trick us into to thinking He's a jerk as a test to see how many of us remain faithful to Him?
What may be even harder to accept is the idea that we're actually out here, on our own. From the perspective of the universe, we are nothing more than temporary expressions of energy.

 

Re: Lou's reply-wthowtfrmanvoyd » Lou Pilder

Posted by schleprock on February 4, 2013, at 16:42:26

In reply to Lou's reply-wthowtfrmanvoyd » Meatwood_Flack, posted by Lou Pilder on February 2, 2013, at 9:21:55

> > Interesting reading. My own, early religious upbringing was in a Southern Baptist church, probably at least 150 miles from the nearest Jewish temple, so I never learned much about that faith apart from my own reading of the Old Testament. I'm glad your faith brings you peace and sustenance. My own search for truth led me down a different path, I suppose. Thanks for sharing.
>
> M_Flack,
> You wrote the above.
> Now I have had many a discussion with those belonging to the Southern Baptist Convention and groups of like kind beliefs and have as a Jew been able to bring Jewish beliefs and those of the Baptists' to a greater understanding. One of those understandings is a major one that I have been attempting to bring to this forum as a Jew here.
> Th major understanding does involve the Tree of Life. The Tree of Life was there, according to the scriptures that he Jews use, in the beginning, in the Garden, in the Paradise of God. The tree was in the midst of the Garden. And there was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil there also.
> And it has been revealed to me that the Rider on the white horse was there also, in the midst of Adam and Eve. The Rider has been revealed to me as God incarnate, The Word of God. And Melchiszedek was visited by The Prince of Peace, also God incarnate as revealed to me.
> Now I am pevented here from posting what IMHHHO could save lives and give people a whole new life free from addiction and depression due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung. But you may, because of your background with the SBC, see what I am intending to post here to free the captives of drugs that want a way out, a way out of the darkness of dispair and into a marvelous light of peace and joy.
> In your bible that the SBC uses, there is a verse that reads:
> [...wherever two or more are gathered in my name, I will be in the midst of them...]. The tree of life was in the midst of Adam and Eve. The tree of life could be in the midst of those now, and one could eat of the fruit of the tree of life and be freed from death. Death of the mind, death of the soul, and be freed from the bondage of addiction and depression. This site will not allow me to post what is neded by me for the Gate to open to the tree of life now, right now, not later, for one to come out of the darkness and into a marvelous light. And this site is for suppport, support of what? Oh, the horrors of this all as I see those writing about killing themselves on drugs and wanting a drug to stop them when the FDA admits that the drugs could increase suicidal thinking. Where is the form of it, how long will there be this void that has been revealed to me be prohibited for me to be posted here?
> Lou
>
> To see what I am referring to:Go to the search box at the end of this page and type in
> [admin,7968] and the 7968 is in the colored stripas the url

Lou, is this it? Is this the Rider on the White Horse???

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3087/2553656240_ff5f487dcb_o.jpg

 

Lou's response-esohes

Posted by Lou Pilder on February 5, 2013, at 15:37:33

In reply to Re: correction: Lou's reply-wthowtfrmanvoyd, posted by Meatwood_Flack on February 4, 2013, at 14:15:12

> Why would God even create a Tree of Life and a Tree of Knowledge if He didn't want Adam and Eve eating their fruits? Was He, simply, testing their loyalty? That sounds more like a human impulse than a divine impulse. Because it's vain. Didn't He also tell Abraham to kill his son as a sacrifice to Him? Didn't He also destroy Job's life to prove to Lucifer that Job's devotion to Him was unshakeable? Did He not also send His own son to be tortured and killed because of the actions of others? Does this not sound like utter madness to you? How shaky would your self esteem have to be in order to demand such extreme measures to prove one's loyalty to you? The only other possibility is simple arrogance, which is a more realistic explanation. If I were God I'd probably be arrogant, too. At least as arrogant as the folks who strap bomb belts onto themselves and then detonate at the appointed target because they believe that's what God wants them to do, or the American politicians and businessmen who stole land from the Native Americans because they believed that's what God wanted them to do. It's an arrogance that I also see in you. You repeatedly say you have the ultimate secret to happiness and freedom from illness, but Dr. Hsiung won't allow you to share it. How convenient. This "prohibition" absolves you of the responsibility to provide any proof for your claims. Honestly, if I had information that could bring relief to anyone who read, and heeded, my message, the threat of a week's suspension from the board would not be enough of a threat to keep me from sharing it. Why should anyone take your claims more seriously than they would of a Shiite Muslim who explains why infidels are to be killed? If God is as all-knowing and all-powerful as He is promoted to be, why are we still arguing (and dying) over who He is? We've made a lot of discoveries about life and the universe in the time since those books were written, discoveries that, sometimes, threaten those early beliefs. Religious teachings serve a human purpose. Why else would God embody such human characteristics as vanity, anger and jealousy? The larger problem is that people use God as a justification for their own prejudices. You, yourself, interpret opposition to your ideas as Anti-Semitism because you happen to be Jewish. You hide behind it, the same way you hide behind supposed prohibitions from Dr. Hsiung to your revealing the non-pharmaceutical path out of depression and addiction. My main objection to religion (aside from the abuses committed in its name) is that it desperately seeks to subdue the intellect. But, if we are God's creations (and, indeed, created in His image), is not the intellect also created by God? What's weird is my intellect says there is no God, so why would God give us something that made it less likely that we would believe in Him? Or is He just screwing with us, the way He screwed with Abraham, Job and Jesus? Speaking of being all-powerful, it could be argued that God at least allows mental illness to exist. And murder to exist. And cancer to exist. And every other source of pain or sorrow to exist. Why? I was taught that God loves us, so what's up with all the suffering? To be fair, suffering can actually enrich one's life, provided that the suffering ends at some point. But what of suffering that continues, unchecked? Where's the lesson? What possible purpose could there be for such suffering? Is God trying to trick us into to thinking He's a jerk as a test to see how many of us remain faithful to Him?
> What may be even harder to accept is the idea that we're actually out here, on our own. From the perspective of the universe, we are nothing more than temporary expressions of energy.
>
>
Friends,
It is written above.
I am requesting that readers consider the aspects presented and weigh the benifits verses the risks of you posting a response here from your perspective. Also, I am requestin that you view the following video.
Lou
To see this video:
A. Pull up Gogle
B. Type in:
[youtube, mLdaj8n_zto]
It is usually at the top and there is a pic

 

Re: Lou's response-esohes

Posted by schleprock on February 5, 2013, at 16:09:28

In reply to Lou's response-esohes, posted by Lou Pilder on February 5, 2013, at 15:37:33

> > Why would God even create a Tree of Life and a Tree of Knowledge if He didn't want Adam and Eve eating their fruits? Was He, simply, testing their loyalty? That sounds more like a human impulse than a divine impulse. Because it's vain. Didn't He also tell Abraham to kill his son as a sacrifice to Him? Didn't He also destroy Job's life to prove to Lucifer that Job's devotion to Him was unshakeable? Did He not also send His own son to be tortured and killed because of the actions of others? Does this not sound like utter madness to you? How shaky would your self esteem have to be in order to demand such extreme measures to prove one's loyalty to you? The only other possibility is simple arrogance, which is a more realistic explanation. If I were God I'd probably be arrogant, too. At least as arrogant as the folks who strap bomb belts onto themselves and then detonate at the appointed target because they believe that's what God wants them to do, or the American politicians and businessmen who stole land from the Native Americans because they believed that's what God wanted them to do. It's an arrogance that I also see in you. You repeatedly say you have the ultimate secret to happiness and freedom from illness, but Dr. Hsiung won't allow you to share it. How convenient. This "prohibition" absolves you of the responsibility to provide any proof for your claims. Honestly, if I had information that could bring relief to anyone who read, and heeded, my message, the threat of a week's suspension from the board would not be enough of a threat to keep me from sharing it. Why should anyone take your claims more seriously than they would of a Shiite Muslim who explains why infidels are to be killed? If God is as all-knowing and all-powerful as He is promoted to be, why are we still arguing (and dying) over who He is? We've made a lot of discoveries about life and the universe in the time since those books were written, discoveries that, sometimes, threaten those early beliefs. Religious teachings serve a human purpose. Why else would God embody such human characteristics as vanity, anger and jealousy? The larger problem is that people use God as a justification for their own prejudices. You, yourself, interpret opposition to your ideas as Anti-Semitism because you happen to be Jewish. You hide behind it, the same way you hide behind supposed prohibitions from Dr. Hsiung to your revealing the non-pharmaceutical path out of depression and addiction. My main objection to religion (aside from the abuses committed in its name) is that it desperately seeks to subdue the intellect. But, if we are God's creations (and, indeed, created in His image), is not the intellect also created by God? What's weird is my intellect says there is no God, so why would God give us something that made it less likely that we would believe in Him? Or is He just screwing with us, the way He screwed with Abraham, Job and Jesus? Speaking of being all-powerful, it could be argued that God at least allows mental illness to exist. And murder to exist. And cancer to exist. And every other source of pain or sorrow to exist. Why? I was taught that God loves us, so what's up with all the suffering? To be fair, suffering can actually enrich one's life, provided that the suffering ends at some point. But what of suffering that continues, unchecked? Where's the lesson? What possible purpose could there be for such suffering? Is God trying to trick us into to thinking He's a jerk as a test to see how many of us remain faithful to Him?
> > What may be even harder to accept is the idea that we're actually out here, on our own. From the perspective of the universe, we are nothing more than temporary expressions of energy.
> >
> >
> Friends,
> It is written above.
> I am requesting that readers consider the aspects presented and weigh the benifits verses the risks of you posting a response here from your perspective. Also, I am requestin that you view the following video.
> Lou
> To see this video:
> A. Pull up Gogle
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, mLdaj8n_zto]
> It is usually at the top and there is a pic

Why does the advertising council have a feather and a sword in their logo?

 

Re: Lou's response-esohes

Posted by rjlockhart37 on February 5, 2013, at 19:32:44

In reply to Re: Lou's response-esohes, posted by schleprock on February 5, 2013, at 16:09:28

i think lou's mascot should be a peacock....

 

Lou's response-lytoflyph

Posted by Lou Pilder on February 6, 2013, at 20:27:27

In reply to Lou's response-esohes, posted by Lou Pilder on February 5, 2013, at 15:37:33

> > Why would God even create a Tree of Life and a Tree of Knowledge if He didn't want Adam and Eve eating their fruits? Was He, simply, testing their loyalty? That sounds more like a human impulse than a divine impulse. Because it's vain. Didn't He also tell Abraham to kill his son as a sacrifice to Him? Didn't He also destroy Job's life to prove to Lucifer that Job's devotion to Him was unshakeable? Did He not also send His own son to be tortured and killed because of the actions of others? Does this not sound like utter madness to you? How shaky would your self esteem have to be in order to demand such extreme measures to prove one's loyalty to you? The only other possibility is simple arrogance, which is a more realistic explanation. If I were God I'd probably be arrogant, too. At least as arrogant as the folks who strap bomb belts onto themselves and then detonate at the appointed target because they believe that's what God wants them to do, or the American politicians and businessmen who stole land from the Native Americans because they believed that's what God wanted them to do. It's an arrogance that I also see in you. You repeatedly say you have the ultimate secret to happiness and freedom from illness, but Dr. Hsiung won't allow you to share it. How convenient. This "prohibition" absolves you of the responsibility to provide any proof for your claims. Honestly, if I had information that could bring relief to anyone who read, and heeded, my message, the threat of a week's suspension from the board would not be enough of a threat to keep me from sharing it. Why should anyone take your claims more seriously than they would of a Shiite Muslim who explains why infidels are to be killed? If God is as all-knowing and all-powerful as He is promoted to be, why are we still arguing (and dying) over who He is? We've made a lot of discoveries about life and the universe in the time since those books were written, discoveries that, sometimes, threaten those early beliefs. Religious teachings serve a human purpose. Why else would God embody such human characteristics as vanity, anger and jealousy? The larger problem is that people use God as a justification for their own prejudices. You, yourself, interpret opposition to your ideas as Anti-Semitism because you happen to be Jewish. You hide behind it, the same way you hide behind supposed prohibitions from Dr. Hsiung to your revealing the non-pharmaceutical path out of depression and addiction. My main objection to religion (aside from the abuses committed in its name) is that it desperately seeks to subdue the intellect. But, if we are God's creations (and, indeed, created in His image), is not the intellect also created by God? What's weird is my intellect says there is no God, so why would God give us something that made it less likely that we would believe in Him? Or is He just screwing with us, the way He screwed with Abraham, Job and Jesus? Speaking of being all-powerful, it could be argued that God at least allows mental illness to exist. And murder to exist. And cancer to exist. And every other source of pain or sorrow to exist. Why? I was taught that God loves us, so what's up with all the suffering? To be fair, suffering can actually enrich one's life, provided that the suffering ends at some point. But what of suffering that continues, unchecked? Where's the lesson? What possible purpose could there be for such suffering? Is God trying to trick us into to thinking He's a jerk as a test to see how many of us remain faithful to Him?
> > What may be even harder to accept is the idea that we're actually out here, on our own. From the perspective of the universe, we are nothing more than temporary expressions of energy.
> >
> >
> Friends,
> It is written above.
> I am requesting that readers consider the aspects presented and weigh the benifits verses the risks of you posting a response here from your perspective. Also, I am requestin that you view the following video.
> Lou
> To see this video:
> A. Pull up Gogle
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, mLdaj8n_zto]
> It is usually at the top and there is a pic

Friends,
It is written by M_Flack concerning the prohbitions to me. The prohibitions prevent me from posting here a way that one that wants a way out of addiction and depression could follow into a new life and sing a new song.
I have been writing here about darkness. And I have been writing here about light. You see, what has been revealed to me are the mysteries of darkness and light. And a poster here writes about the earth being without form and void.
But let us go on where that is cited. It is the first part of the scriptures that the Jews use in the book called Genesis.
The first chapter reads:
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form and void.
( Now that is where the poster left off, but let us continue:)
And darkness was upon the face of the deep. An the spirit of god moved upon the face of the waters.
(Now we have only darkness, but let us continue:)
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light and it was good.
Now my friends, this light has nothing to do with the sun or the moon or the stars, for those were not yet created. It is this light that has been revealed to me a way for those that want a way out of addiction and depresssion can have to enable them to overcome and have a whole new life, free at last.
I am prohibited to post here about this light. It would come from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me, which is prohibited by Mr Hsiung as posted to me here.
But I say to you, that the light that has been revealed to me will never be put out. All of the antisemitic statements here that are allowed to stand will never stop the light. All the members here that post defamation and hate toward me that is allowed to stand will not stop the light. And all the people that do not want the light to shine here can not stand in the way of its healing rays. And all those that want me to have my speech repressed here will in no wise stop the light from penetrating the darkness. And those that want to curse the light so that darkness could prevail, will fail, for how could you stop the Sun from shining, what makes the world go 'round.
Lou


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