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Lou's request-wychgeezus bleauberry

Posted by Lou Pilder on February 14, 2012, at 13:48:45

In reply to Re: Nardil failed - nothing left?, posted by bleauberry on February 13, 2012, at 13:11:33

> > So it looks like Nardil isn't going to work for me. I have severe anxiety, agoraphobia and depression. Nardil was pretty much my last hope since I've been on pretty much every other drug on the market. So what now? Could there be a physical cause no one is finding? Or am I just dead? I've lost most of my life to this. I had so much hope for Nardil. Now I fear my life is over.
>
> I'm so sorry for the failures and no doubt your hope is rock bottom. Understandable. I do have some ideas. They will not be immediately helpful, but they do offer the very real prospect of actually getting well.
>
> First of all, a bit off topic, but not really, if you have not asked Jesus to be in your fight with you, it's going to continue to be a really hard fight. Talk to Him and invite Him daily. His love and grace is already there, you don't have to do anything to earn it. But what you need is....wisdom. Wisdom to know what to do. He promised to give that to all who ask for it, and He does. You, me, all of us, need the kind of wisdom that can only come from Him.
>
> Let me put a disclaimer out there before I go on....I am not saying you have Lyme disease.
>
> Ok. Now, in stuff like Lyme disease or other similar occult chronic unsuspected infectious pathogens, what happens to their poop, pee, and secreted toxins that protect them from your immune system? All that stuff goes into your blood and then where? To your brain. Think about that. Do you think crap like that might cause bizarre stuff? What would happen if we put a little bit of formaldahyde into your dopamine and serotonin synapses? The toxins of infections are numerous, but some are molecularly very similar to formaldahyde. Some more toxic than that.
>
> So what to do? Well, first off we want to try to manage symptoms. Your entire history has been that, and it hasn't worked. The really important part never got started....dealing with the stuff that could be causing the problems in the first place.
>
> So right off the top of my head, going on instinct and clues in your post, I would maybe take a look at the topic of "detox". Get the crap out of the brain. Do we know for sure there is crap to get rid of? No. Can we test for it? Not reliably. So we do nothing and stay sick? No. We try stuff. The length and severity of the illness justifies that. The failure of conventional approaches justifies that. So we do detox stuff to see. Or whatever, just to see, to rule it in or rule it out. Ok so we go through years of ruling in this med or that med, and it's ok to experiment like that even though we lose every time....but for some reason, we don't rule in or out anything else? That part, I don't get it. Makes no sense. We fail treatments aimed only at symptoms, but never even take a glance at what the real situation might be.
>
> Anyway, if we were at a Lyme forum and someone was describing themselves the way you described yourself it would be like ho-hum, yeah, so what else is new, every one of us with lyme is like that. And it just so happens that many lyme patients do not respond well or at all to psychiatric meds.
>
> I've used lyme as an example to make a point, but there are a dozen or more other cunning occult pathogens that can mimic this scenario. Most of them are sensitive to the same treatments as lyme, so it really doesn't matter if we know what we are dealing with or not. Most people who got completely well never knew for sure what they were dealing with.
>
> Maybe there are excerpts of the book Healing Lyme by Stephen Buhner online? Dunno. Maybe buy the book. Doesn't matter if you have a lyme diagnosis or not, that's not the point. The point is, a whole bunch of stuff that is behind psychiatric symptoms is in the book. I can summarize it into 3 categories, which are usually intertwined....occult pathogens, toxin accumulation, and inflammation. Deal with those 3 issues and it would not be surprising to see most or all of your troubles go away.
>
> So when you asked if there could be a physical cause no one is finding, absolutely the answer is yes yes yes!!!! And they aren't going to find it, so don't even go there. They don't know how. There are a handful of doctors in the country who are passionate with "gray" areas of medicine such as this, but for the most part they seem to be cookie cutter black-n-white doctors who don't exercise their God given brains very well.
>
> Time for some detective work. Somewhere along the line in doing your detective experiments, you will get better.
>
> If on the other hand you just want some kind of psychiatric prescription or psychiatric treatment that is going to restore you, I can't really offer any help there and apologize for that. If this were earlier in the game, that would be easy. But this late in the game, the rules change. It's a different game. The name of it is not depression. It's something else.
>
> Long story summed up....learn all you can about lyme, regardless if you have it or not, and a whole new world will open up. Right when you thought you were at the end of the road, you've got a whole brand new highway in front of you.
>
> Where to start? Rhodiola, Japanese Knotweed, Sarsaparilla, Red Root, Chlorella, gluten free experiment, high dose garlic, Cat's Claw or Samento.
>
> Hey the other day I was near death from depression. It was so so horribly bad I can't even describe it. My usual lifesaver....vicodin...didn't help. It was that bad. Later that night my wife wanted to make love. I took a viagra. Imagine my shock when 20 minutes later that depression was gone! Sex had not happened yet, I actually had no interest in it at the time, but depression vanished after viagra. How could that be? What does viagra do? Well, among other things it relaxes muscles and it opens up blood vessels. Brain inflammation....bingo!
>
> Just sayin.
>
> My best antidepressants of recent years?
>
> DMSA (chelates mercury and lead, OTC over internet)
> Diflucan (antifungal)
> Various herbs that deal with "herxheimer" reactions
>
> Just sayin.
>
> >
> > Where so you go when you've tried every class of meds? I think ECT is out. I've never heard of it helping anyone and I want to go to grad school. I need a brain to do that.
>
> bleau,
You wrote,[...if you have not asked...its going to contimue to be a really hard fight...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respondccordingly.
A. Do you agree that there could be different Jesus'?
B. If so, which Jesus are you referring to?
C. If you are taking the position that there is only one Jesus, what are the criteria that you use to determine the real Jesus?
C. Could someone ask a different Jesus?
D. If so, what could be the results if that Jesus is different from your Jesus, if you are saying that there is only one Jesus.
E. If there is more than one Jesus, (redacted by respondent)
Lou

 

Re: Lou's request-wychgeezus-continued

Posted by Lou Pilder on February 14, 2012, at 13:48:45

In reply to Lou's request-wychgeezus bleauberry, posted by Lou Pilder on February 14, 2012, at 11:57:23

> > > So it looks like Nardil isn't going to work for me. I have severe anxiety, agoraphobia and depression. Nardil was pretty much my last hope since I've been on pretty much every other drug on the market. So what now? Could there be a physical cause no one is finding? Or am I just dead? I've lost most of my life to this. I had so much hope for Nardil. Now I fear my life is over.
> >
> > I'm so sorry for the failures and no doubt your hope is rock bottom. Understandable. I do have some ideas. They will not be immediately helpful, but they do offer the very real prospect of actually getting well.
> >
> > First of all, a bit off topic, but not really, if you have not asked Jesus to be in your fight with you, it's going to continue to be a really hard fight. Talk to Him and invite Him daily. His love and grace is already there, you don't have to do anything to earn it. But what you need is....wisdom. Wisdom to know what to do. He promised to give that to all who ask for it, and He does. You, me, all of us, need the kind of wisdom that can only come from Him.
> >
> > Let me put a disclaimer out there before I go on....I am not saying you have Lyme disease.
> >
> > Ok. Now, in stuff like Lyme disease or other similar occult chronic unsuspected infectious pathogens, what happens to their poop, pee, and secreted toxins that protect them from your immune system? All that stuff goes into your blood and then where? To your brain. Think about that. Do you think crap like that might cause bizarre stuff? What would happen if we put a little bit of formaldahyde into your dopamine and serotonin synapses? The toxins of infections are numerous, but some are molecularly very similar to formaldahyde. Some more toxic than that.
> >
> > So what to do? Well, first off we want to try to manage symptoms. Your entire history has been that, and it hasn't worked. The really important part never got started....dealing with the stuff that could be causing the problems in the first place.
> >
> > So right off the top of my head, going on instinct and clues in your post, I would maybe take a look at the topic of "detox". Get the crap out of the brain. Do we know for sure there is crap to get rid of? No. Can we test for it? Not reliably. So we do nothing and stay sick? No. We try stuff. The length and severity of the illness justifies that. The failure of conventional approaches justifies that. So we do detox stuff to see. Or whatever, just to see, to rule it in or rule it out. Ok so we go through years of ruling in this med or that med, and it's ok to experiment like that even though we lose every time....but for some reason, we don't rule in or out anything else? That part, I don't get it. Makes no sense. We fail treatments aimed only at symptoms, but never even take a glance at what the real situation might be.
> >
> > Anyway, if we were at a Lyme forum and someone was describing themselves the way you described yourself it would be like ho-hum, yeah, so what else is new, every one of us with lyme is like that. And it just so happens that many lyme patients do not respond well or at all to psychiatric meds.
> >
> > I've used lyme as an example to make a point, but there are a dozen or more other cunning occult pathogens that can mimic this scenario. Most of them are sensitive to the same treatments as lyme, so it really doesn't matter if we know what we are dealing with or not. Most people who got completely well never knew for sure what they were dealing with.
> >
> > Maybe there are excerpts of the book Healing Lyme by Stephen Buhner online? Dunno. Maybe buy the book. Doesn't matter if you have a lyme diagnosis or not, that's not the point. The point is, a whole bunch of stuff that is behind psychiatric symptoms is in the book. I can summarize it into 3 categories, which are usually intertwined....occult pathogens, toxin accumulation, and inflammation. Deal with those 3 issues and it would not be surprising to see most or all of your troubles go away.
> >
> > So when you asked if there could be a physical cause no one is finding, absolutely the answer is yes yes yes!!!! And they aren't going to find it, so don't even go there. They don't know how. There are a handful of doctors in the country who are passionate with "gray" areas of medicine such as this, but for the most part they seem to be cookie cutter black-n-white doctors who don't exercise their God given brains very well.
> >
> > Time for some detective work. Somewhere along the line in doing your detective experiments, you will get better.
> >
> > If on the other hand you just want some kind of psychiatric prescription or psychiatric treatment that is going to restore you, I can't really offer any help there and apologize for that. If this were earlier in the game, that would be easy. But this late in the game, the rules change. It's a different game. The name of it is not depression. It's something else.
> >
> > Long story summed up....learn all you can about lyme, regardless if you have it or not, and a whole new world will open up. Right when you thought you were at the end of the road, you've got a whole brand new highway in front of you.
> >
> > Where to start? Rhodiola, Japanese Knotweed, Sarsaparilla, Red Root, Chlorella, gluten free experiment, high dose garlic, Cat's Claw or Samento.
> >
> > Hey the other day I was near death from depression. It was so so horribly bad I can't even describe it. My usual lifesaver....vicodin...didn't help. It was that bad. Later that night my wife wanted to make love. I took a viagra. Imagine my shock when 20 minutes later that depression was gone! Sex had not happened yet, I actually had no interest in it at the time, but depression vanished after viagra. How could that be? What does viagra do? Well, among other things it relaxes muscles and it opens up blood vessels. Brain inflammation....bingo!
> >
> > Just sayin.
> >
> > My best antidepressants of recent years?
> >
> > DMSA (chelates mercury and lead, OTC over internet)
> > Diflucan (antifungal)
> > Various herbs that deal with "herxheimer" reactions
> >
> > Just sayin.
> >
> > >
> > > Where so you go when you've tried every class of meds? I think ECT is out. I've never heard of it helping anyone and I want to go to grad school. I need a brain to do that.
> >
> > bleau,
> You wrote,[...if you have not asked...its going to contimue to be a really hard fight...].
> I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respondccordingly.
> A. Do you agree that there could be different Jesus'?
> B. If so, which Jesus are you referring to?
> C. If you are taking the position that there is only one Jesus, what are the criteria that you use to determine the real Jesus?
> C. Could someone ask a different Jesus?
> D. If so, what could be the results if that Jesus is different from your Jesus, if you are saying that there is only one Jesus.
> E. If there is more than one Jesus, (redacted by respondent)
> Lou
>
> bleau,
Now in the continuation, here is a list of those that have different Jesus'. If you could post a yes or a no after each, then I could have a better understanding of which Jesus you could be referring to as the one to ask.
The Jesus of:
A. John Calvin
B. Martin Luther
C. Charles Taz Russle
D. Joseph Smith
E. Mary Baker Eddy
F. omit
G. Emperor Constantine
H. Billy Grahm
K. Dwight L Moody
L. Herbert W. Armstrong
M. Helen White
N. John Chrysofston
P. other not listed
Lou


 

A different Jesus? Administration please redirect.

Posted by SLS on February 14, 2012, at 13:48:46

In reply to Re: Lou's request-wychgeezus-continued, posted by Lou Pilder on February 14, 2012, at 13:04:15

> > > First of all, a bit off topic, but not really, if you have not asked Jesus to be in your fight with you, it's going to continue to be a really hard fight. Talk to Him and invite Him daily. His love and grace is already there, you don't have to do anything to earn it. But what you need is....wisdom. Wisdom to know what to do. He promised to give that to all who ask for it, and He does. You, me, all of us, need the kind of wisdom that can only come from Him.

> > You wrote,[...if you have not asked...its going to contimue to be a really hard fight...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respondccordingly.
A. Do you agree that there could be different Jesus'?
B. If so, which Jesus are you referring to?
C. If you are taking the position that there is only one Jesus, what are the criteria that you use to determine the real Jesus?
C. Could someone ask a different Jesus?
D. If so, what could be the results if that Jesus is different from your Jesus, if you are saying that there is only one Jesus.
E. If there is more than one Jesus, (redacted by respondent)

> Now in the continuation, here is a list of those that have different Jesus'. If you could post a yes or a no after each, then I could have a better understanding of which Jesus you could be referring to as the one to ask.
> The Jesus of:
> A. John Calvin
> B. Martin Luther
> C. Charles Taz Russle
> D. Joseph Smith
> E. Mary Baker Eddy
> F. omit
> G. Emperor Constantine
> H. Billy Grahm
> K. Dwight L Moody
> L. Herbert W. Armstrong
> M. Helen White
> N. John Chrysofston
> P. other not listed


Perhaps they each offered worship to the same Jesus, but in different ways.

This is an interesting topic that obviously has no place on the medication treatment board. Let's see if we can get this post redirected to the Faith board. Follow-ups as to why it should or should not be redirected to the Faith board should be directed to the administration board.


- Scott

 

Administration please redirect. - Thank you. (nm)

Posted by SLS on February 14, 2012, at 14:36:23

In reply to A different Jesus? Administration please redirect., posted by SLS on February 14, 2012, at 13:48:46

 

Lou's request-Jesus' SLS

Posted by Lou Pilder on February 14, 2012, at 15:40:19

In reply to A different Jesus? Administration please redirect., posted by SLS on February 14, 2012, at 13:48:46

> > > > First of all, a bit off topic, but not really, if you have not asked Jesus to be in your fight with you, it's going to continue to be a really hard fight. Talk to Him and invite Him daily. His love and grace is already there, you don't have to do anything to earn it. But what you need is....wisdom. Wisdom to know what to do. He promised to give that to all who ask for it, and He does. You, me, all of us, need the kind of wisdom that can only come from Him.
>
> > > You wrote,[...if you have not asked...its going to contimue to be a really hard fight...].
> I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respondccordingly.
> A. Do you agree that there could be different Jesus'?
> B. If so, which Jesus are you referring to?
> C. If you are taking the position that there is only one Jesus, what are the criteria that you use to determine the real Jesus?
> C. Could someone ask a different Jesus?
> D. If so, what could be the results if that Jesus is different from your Jesus, if you are saying that there is only one Jesus.
> E. If there is more than one Jesus, (redacted by respondent)
>
> > Now in the continuation, here is a list of those that have different Jesus'. If you could post a yes or a no after each, then I could have a better understanding of which Jesus you could be referring to as the one to ask.
> > The Jesus of:
> > A. John Calvin
> > B. Martin Luther
> > C. Charles Taz Russle
> > D. Joseph Smith
> > E. Mary Baker Eddy
> > F. omit
> > G. Emperor Constantine
> > H. Billy Grahm
> > K. Dwight L Moody
> > L. Herbert W. Armstrong
> > M. Helen White
> > N. John Chrysofston
> > P. other not listed
>
>
> Perhaps they each offered worship to the same Jesus, but in different ways.
>
> This is an interesting topic that obviously has no place on the medication treatment board. Let's see if we can get this post redirected to the Faith board. Follow-ups as to why it should or should not be redirected to the Faith board should be directed to the administration board.
>
>
> - Scott
Scott,
You wrote,[...Perhaps they each offered
service to the same Jesus, but in different ways...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to thhe following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Assuming that there is only one Jesus,the real Jesus, if people offered service and worship to that Jesus in different ways, could we have the following possibilities? If not, why not?
The possibilities are:
A. The real Jesus said that people can offer service to him anyway they want to.
B. The real Jesus said that there are some right ways to offer service and some wrong ways to offer service to him.
C. The real Jesus gave a way that is the right way to offer service to him
D. The real Jesus did not want anyone to offer service to him.
E. The real Jesus said that if you offer service to him in the wrong way, that you are worshipping a different Jesus.
F. There are more than one real Jesus'
G something else
Lou
PS. Add to the list, Mel Gibson

 

Re: Lou's request-Jesus'

Posted by sigismund on February 14, 2012, at 18:09:10

In reply to Lou's request-Jesus' SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on February 14, 2012, at 15:40:19

Anyone but Mel, I guess.

Herbert W Armstrong takes me back to the 60s on Sunday nights after light out trying to find some good music on the transistor.

What about the Prado Jesus? There seemed to be a real genre of them.

 

Re: Lou's request-Jesus' Lou Pilder

Posted by SLS on February 14, 2012, at 20:47:07

In reply to Lou's request-Jesus' SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on February 14, 2012, at 15:40:19

Hi Lou.

> Scott,
> You wrote,[...Perhaps they each offered
> service to the same Jesus, but in different ways...].
> I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to thhe following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> Assuming that there is only one Jesus,the real Jesus, if people offered service and worship to that Jesus in different ways, could we have the following possibilities? If not, why not?
> The possibilities are:
> A. The real Jesus said that people can offer service to him anyway they want to.
> B. The real Jesus said that there are some right ways to offer service and some wrong ways to offer service to him.
> C. The real Jesus gave a way that is the right way to offer service to him
> D. The real Jesus did not want anyone to offer service to him.
> E. The real Jesus said that if you offer service to him in the wrong way, that you are worshipping a different Jesus.
> F. There are more than one real Jesus'
> G something else
> Lou
> PS. Add to the list, Mel Gibson


Do you remember the child's game called "telephone"?

Some people do all they can to guarantee others that their beliefs are endorsed by entities who are not available to confer with. When there is no explicit endorsement available, two men can worship the same entity in opposite ways with equal justification.

PS. Mel Gibson is the product of his environment. What is it about Mel Gibson that you find so salient such that you would bring his name into this conversation?


- Scott

 

Re: Lou's request-Jesus'

Posted by sigismund on February 14, 2012, at 21:06:38

In reply to Re: Lou's request-Jesus' Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on February 14, 2012, at 20:47:07

fyi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutton_Gibson

 

Re: Lou's request-Jesus' sigismund

Posted by SLS on February 17, 2012, at 15:02:40

In reply to Re: Lou's request-Jesus', posted by sigismund on February 14, 2012, at 21:06:38

> fyi
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutton_Gibson

Yeah. That's pretty much what I had in mind.

I didn't know how active Mel Gibson's father was in promoting his ideas. Thanks for the citation.


- Scott

 

Re: Jesus yess

Posted by brklyn2311 on May 26, 2012, at 1:45:07

In reply to Re: Lou's request-Jesus' sigismund, posted by SLS on February 17, 2012, at 15:02:40

I am a person who has been through a lot,Scott knows i have,some of the stuff were

- tortued by police officer,pics from hospital i have

- Then false arrested.

Let me telll you,my cousin walter boland survived 9/11
He then went on first 700 club,then larry king live about A a power down that morning b cell phones acting up prior to the hits.

He was hit by an off duty cop at 90 mph.Paralized from the neck down he was alive a few months after.

He then passed,during my sturggles i felt his presence VERY STRONG.Odd cause we werent that close.

Anyway,on my soul ,one day i went down to where i smoke every night and talk to god,i said walter man if your there show me a sign,and instantly a bird landed on my foot a baby bird.

Since then even today i have flocks around me,i took a pic and put in on facebook.

Now thats a FACT 100 percent.What isnt but still something i remebed was during this time i remebr having a general video on utube,

I remeber looking up as the video ended,it faded to black,then i saw a man,looked very very young and not bibical at all,he looked up at me,he had a thin tight shaven beard,looked about 28,green peircing eyes ,he looked up and smile.

Yess lol i believe i saw jesus on utube,and yess im taking my meds lol.Praise to god.


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