Psycho-Babble Faith Thread 1003076

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anger with God

Posted by markwell on November 19, 2011, at 9:55:13

My greatest concern in life has been having a relationship with God. When this mental illness presented itself 2 years ago I've become terribbly angry with God. I feel like God is punishing me which exasperated my anger, I don't know what to do. Pursuing God was the one thing that helped me through a troubled life. Now I am so angry with God and I don't know how to break this terrible cycle.
Mark

 

Re: anger with God markwell

Posted by SLS on November 20, 2011, at 7:19:27

In reply to anger with God, posted by markwell on November 19, 2011, at 9:55:13

> My greatest concern in life has been having a relationship with God. When this mental illness presented itself 2 years ago I've become terribbly angry with God. I feel like God is punishing me which exasperated my anger, I don't know what to do. Pursuing God was the one thing that helped me through a troubled life. Now I am so angry with God and I don't know how to break this terrible cycle.
> Mark

Your anger is understandable.

It helps me to recognize that I can't possibly know the mind of God, and that His reasons for why I am ill will not be understood by me in my lifetime. It took me quite awhile to reach the point of acceptance. I doubt that there is anything I can say that will make that process easier for you. I think your pursuit of a gentle relationship with God is healthy.

Sigismund wrote something in one of his posts about his being able to compartmentalize thoughts and feelings. This strategy might help you to look at how much good there is in His Creation without your misery tainting your view.

Hang in there. Depression itself can separate you from your spirituality.

If you keep looking, I'm sure you'll find your way.


- Scott

 

Re: anger with God

Posted by markwell on November 20, 2011, at 9:52:20

In reply to Re: anger with God markwell, posted by SLS on November 20, 2011, at 7:19:27

Sometimes I feel like my mental health issues are demon possession. How would I know that and what would I do about it? I like your idea of a gentle relationship with God.
Mark

 

Re: anger with God markwell

Posted by SLS on November 20, 2011, at 10:46:27

In reply to Re: anger with God, posted by markwell on November 20, 2011, at 9:52:20

> Sometimes I feel like my mental health issues are demon possession. How would I know that and what would I do about it? I like your idea of a gentle relationship with God.
> Mark


I don't think a demon would pursue a relationship with God as you are. I am sure that you are not possessed.


- Scott

 

Re: anger with God

Posted by markwell on November 20, 2011, at 11:31:26

In reply to Re: anger with God markwell, posted by SLS on November 20, 2011, at 10:46:27

Scott, I have this constant thread going through my mind..."damn you Satan God loves me". Its been racing through my mind for years. I feel embarrassed to tell you that. That's why I feel this is spiritual.
Mark

 

Re: anger with God markwell

Posted by SLS on November 21, 2011, at 18:46:39

In reply to Re: anger with God, posted by markwell on November 20, 2011, at 11:31:26

Hi Mark.

> Scott, I have this constant thread going through my mind..."damn you Satan God loves me". Its been racing through my mind for years. I feel embarrassed to tell you that.

It takes courage to disclose something that you feel ashamed of or embarrassed to tell.

> That's why I feel this is spiritual.

I don't understand what you mean. Could you elaborate?


- Scott

 

Re: anger with God

Posted by markwell on November 22, 2011, at 13:34:53

In reply to Re: anger with God markwell, posted by SLS on November 21, 2011, at 18:46:39

I mean its spiritual because I have that constant line going through my head. I just sense this is spiritual.
Mark

 

Re: anger with God markwell

Posted by SLS on November 23, 2011, at 14:13:22

In reply to Re: anger with God, posted by markwell on November 22, 2011, at 13:34:53

> I mean its spiritual because I have that constant line going through my head. I just sense this is spiritual.
> Mark

I think we are using the word "spiritual" differently. I did not mean it to describe an evil entity that takes possession of souls. You are not possessed. It is not uncommon that one becomes angry with God for the affliction and pain you suffer. The voices in your head are most likely intrusive thoughts related to your illness. You are having a dialog with yourself, not with a demon.

It takes a lot of work to process the anger you feel towards God. I recommend that you speak to clergy or find books that deal with this issue. I was angry with God for quite a few years. Nothing has changed with my illness, but I am no longer angry with God. It is a difficult thing to work through, and it takes time. In the meantime, you shouldn't think that you are a bad person. God knows what has happened to you and forgives you for being angry with Him.


- Scott

 

Lou's request-phoarghvnhs SLS

Posted by Lou Pilder on November 23, 2011, at 16:48:03

In reply to Re: anger with God markwell, posted by SLS on November 23, 2011, at 14:13:22

> > I mean its spiritual because I have that constant line going through my head. I just sense this is spiritual.
> > Mark
>
> I think we are using the word "spiritual" differently. I did not mean it to describe an evil entity that takes possession of souls. You are not possessed. It is not uncommon that one becomes angry with God for the affliction and pain you suffer. The voices in your head are most likely intrusive thoughts related to your illness. You are having a dialog with yourself, not with a demon.
>
> It takes a lot of work to process the anger you feel towards God. I recommend that you speak to clergy or find books that deal with this issue. I was angry with God for quite a few years. Nothing has changed with my illness, but I am no longer angry with God. It is a difficult thing to work through, and it takes time. In the meantime, you shouldn't think that you are a bad person. God knows what has happened to you and forgives you for being angry with Him.
>
>
> - Scott

Scott,
You wrote,[...You are not possessed...You are having a dialog with yourself, not with a demon...you shouldn't think that you are a bad person...God...forgives you...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean. If you could post answers to the folllowing, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A.What criteria do you use to claim that the member is not possessed?
B. How could you be sure, if you could, that the member here is having a dialog with himdelf and not a demon?
C. Why do you state to the member that they should not think that they are a bad person?
D. In [...God..forgives you..], which God are you referring to?
E. What is requierd by that God, if anything, for one to have forgivness?
F. (redacted by respondent)
Lou

 

Re: Anger with God. Lou Pilder

Posted by SLS on November 23, 2011, at 17:58:25

In reply to Lou's request-phoarghvnhs SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on November 23, 2011, at 16:48:03

> > > I mean its spiritual because I have that constant line going through my head. I just sense this is spiritual.
> > > Mark


> > I think we are using the word "spiritual" differently. I did not mean it to describe an evil entity that takes possession of souls. You are not possessed. It is not uncommon that one becomes angry with God for the affliction and pain you suffer. The voices in your head are most likely intrusive thoughts related to your illness. You are having a dialog with yourself, not with a demon.
> >
> > It takes a lot of work to process the anger you feel towards God. I recommend that you speak to clergy or find books that deal with this issue. I was angry with God for quite a few years. Nothing has changed with my illness, but I am no longer angry with God. It is a difficult thing to work through, and it takes time. In the meantime, you shouldn't think that you are a bad person. God knows what has happened to you and forgives you for being angry with Him.
> >
> >
> > - Scott


> Scott,
> You wrote,[...You are not possessed...You are having a dialog with yourself, not with a demon...you shouldn't think that you are a bad person...God...forgives you...].
> I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean.

What, precisely, is the obstacle that is preventing you from understanding what I write?

> If you could post answers to the folllowing, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.

I am going to expect that you respond, then.

> A.What criteria do you use to claim that the member is not possessed?

Belief in God.

> B. How could you be sure, if you could, that the member here is having a dialog with himdelf and not a demon?

Belief in God.

> C. Why do you state to the member that they should not think that they are a bad person?

Law of probability.

> D. In [...God..forgives you..], which God are you referring to?

How many are there to choose from? I know of only One.

> E. What is requierd by that God, if anything, for one to have forgivness?

I can't think of a single thing.

Now, it's your turn.


- Scott

 

Lou's response-phndtnvhey markwell

Posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2011, at 10:13:23

In reply to Re: anger with God, posted by markwell on November 20, 2011, at 9:52:20

> Sometimes I feel like my mental health issues are demon possession. How would I know that and what would I do about it? I like your idea of a gentle relationship with God.
> Mark

markwell,
You wrote,[...demon possession...How would I know that..what would I do about it?...].
It has been revealed to me the answers to your questions. But there are prohibitions to me here from Mr. Hsiung that prohibit me from answering your questions.
From what I read here that you posted, you could IMHO die or get a life-ruining condition as a result of that I can not post here what IMHO could remedy your situaion and lead you out of the condition that you describe here.
I would like to help you and IMHO I may be the only person here that could understand your condition and tell you what to do to live a free and natural life and overcome the state of mind that you describe that you are in.
Here is a post that is one of the prohibitions to me here from Mr. Hsiung.
Lou
To see this post:
A. Go to the bottom of tthis page to the search box.
B. Type in:
[admin,7968]
There will be many that come up. This one is usually the third one and to be sure, the date is Oct 28, 2002

 

Re: Lou's response-phndtnvhey

Posted by markwell on November 24, 2011, at 11:16:52

In reply to Lou's response-phndtnvhey markwell, posted by Lou Pilder on November 24, 2011, at 10:13:23

I read admin7968 so how can you help me if you can't reveal it here?
Mark

 

Re: anger with God markwell

Posted by SLS on November 24, 2011, at 11:36:51

In reply to anger with God, posted by markwell on November 19, 2011, at 9:55:13

Hi Mark.

I disagree with Lou Pilder. He and I obviously have a difference of opinion as to what is the nature of your pain and confusion. I guess we all have our unique revelations.

Rest.


- Scott

 

Mark markwell

Posted by SLS on November 24, 2011, at 11:40:09

In reply to Re: Lou's response-phndtnvhey, posted by markwell on November 24, 2011, at 11:16:52

> I read admin7968 so how can you help me if you can't reveal it here?
> Mark


Mark, what kind of help are you looking for, exactly?

Please think carefully before acting.


- Scott

 

Re: anger with God

Posted by sigismund on November 24, 2011, at 16:03:53

In reply to Re: anger with God markwell, posted by SLS on November 21, 2011, at 18:46:39

I gained an almost visual insight into dualistic American spiritual thinking in the wonderful "The Crossing" by Cormac McCarthy.

I don't know if you are able to read, Mark, but anyway.....

 

Re: Mark

Posted by markwell on November 24, 2011, at 16:21:42

In reply to Mark markwell, posted by SLS on November 24, 2011, at 11:40:09

Scott, I guess I'm wondering if I should pursue medicine or is what I have a spiritual condition. Scott, I see the wisdom in what you are saying.
Mark

 

Re: Mark markwell

Posted by SLS on November 24, 2011, at 23:51:09

In reply to Re: Mark, posted by markwell on November 24, 2011, at 16:21:42

Hi Mark.

> Scott, I guess I'm wondering if I should pursue medicine or is what I have a spiritual condition.

I can't offer very much feedback without knowing more about you. Perhaps you can spend some time putting together a list symptoms. What are the things that you think and feel that give you trouble? You can ask questions on the Medication board.

You are not the only person in the world who has battled with this issue. I understand why you feel that there are bad spirits inside you. Some illnesses make people feel as if they have very little control over their thoughts and feelings. Unfortunately, this is true. Biological illnesses of the brain/mind connection change the way people process information. They warp perceptions. They produce bad feelings, even when there is nothing bad happening. You are not alone. On Psycho-Babble, there are many people who experience these things. Medication and psychotherapy can help create order out of disorder.


- Scott

 

Lou's response-phowlndtnvheyt markwell

Posted by Lou Pilder on November 25, 2011, at 7:15:32

In reply to Re: Mark, posted by markwell on November 24, 2011, at 16:21:42

> Scott, I guess I'm wondering if I should pursue medicine or is what I have a spiritual condition. Scott, I see the wisdom in what you are saying.
> Mark

Mark,
Here is a link that has a link in it that catalogs people that have killed themselves and/or others and other crimes even mass-murder while they were taking psychotropic drugs prescribed to them.
You see, those drugs can induce a mind-altered state for one to be compelled to want to kill themselves and/or others. Now in this community, it could be considered supportive , since Mr. Hsiung says that it is {OK} to post what could purport that the 1 1/2 million Jewish children murdered by those that claimed to be the master race can not have forgiveness or eternal life because being Jews they reject the claim that (redacted by respondent) Jesus.
There are outstanding requests and notifications from me to the administration here that go back days, weeks, months and years. And is not {no} answer {an} answer? And could you look at the admin board? If so, could you count how many members have posted in the threads to object to Mr Hsiung not posting an answer as if the statement in question is supportive or not, or to post as to if they consider the statement supportive or not?
You see, this site is claimed by Mr. Hsiung and his deputy and his past deputies to be for support and education. Are thestatements that are allowed to stand that I have posted about here supportive? Or are they the foundation of hatred toward the Jews? I am also prohibited from posting here the connection to psychiatry durring the years 1933 to 1945 and beyound in {operation paperclip}. But you could do your own search.
Here is a link to the site that catallogs the suicides and murders by people on psychotropic drugs given to them ususally by psychiatrists.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20111027/msgs/1001411.html

 

Re: Lou's response-phowlndtnvheyt Lou Pilder

Posted by SLS on November 25, 2011, at 8:00:05

In reply to Lou's response-phowlndtnvheyt markwell, posted by Lou Pilder on November 25, 2011, at 7:15:32

Suicide rates have decreased since Prozac became available in 1987.

http://www.suicide.org/suicide-statistics.html#death-rates

I don't think Lou Pilder can produce any science to prove that psychiatric drugs have caused more harm than good. He can only produce stories. Anybody can tell a story. You, too, are a story. You will travel down your own path separate from the few bad stories that exist. At this juncture, it is less important for you to know what is wrong than what is not wrong. What is not wrong is your spiritual goodness. You are a good person with good inside you, even if this goodness remains hidden from you by mental illness. Have faith in God and the goodness that he has endowed you with. I see your goodness and purity. Others do, too. You are not possessed by bad when you are obviously filled with so much good. It is time for you to look for other explanations.

I don't think there is very much more that you can accomplish on this Faith board right now. I think you should spend less time here and more time using resources that can help you discover how to make yourself feel better.


- Scott

 

^^^The message above is meant for Mark ^^^ (nm) markwell

Posted by SLS on November 25, 2011, at 8:02:02

In reply to Re: Mark, posted by markwell on November 24, 2011, at 16:21:42

 

Lou's response-ehykahmuntyvdhth

Posted by Lou Pilder on November 25, 2011, at 17:19:14

In reply to Lou's response-phowlndtnvheyt markwell, posted by Lou Pilder on November 25, 2011, at 7:15:32

> > Scott, I guess I'm wondering if I should pursue medicine or is what I have a spiritual condition. Scott, I see the wisdom in what you are saying.
> > Mark
>
> Mark,
> Here is a link that has a link in it that catalogs people that have killed themselves and/or others and other crimes even mass-murder while they were taking psychotropic drugs prescribed to them.
> You see, those drugs can induce a mind-altered state for one to be compelled to want to kill themselves and/or others. Now in this community, it could be considered supportive , since Mr. Hsiung says that it is {OK} to post what could purport that the 1 1/2 million Jewish children murdered by those that claimed to be the master race can not have forgiveness or eternal life because being Jews they reject the claim that (redacted by respondent) Jesus.
> There are outstanding requests and notifications from me to the administration here that go back days, weeks, months and years. And is not {no} answer {an} answer? And could you look at the admin board? If so, could you count how many members have posted in the threads to object to Mr Hsiung not posting an answer as if the statement in question is supportive or not, or to post as to if they consider the statement supportive or not?
> You see, this site is claimed by Mr. Hsiung and his deputy and his past deputies to be for support and education. Are thestatements that are allowed to stand that I have posted about here supportive? Or are they the foundation of hatred toward the Jews? I am also prohibited from posting here the connection to psychiatry durring the years 1933 to 1945 and beyound in {operation paperclip}. But you could do your own search.
> Here is a link to the site that catallogs the suicides and murders by people on psychotropic drugs given to them ususally by psychiatrists.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20111027/msgs/1001411.html
>

Mark,
Here is a video that I think could go a long way IMHO in your understanding what doctors now know about psychotropic drugs and suicide and violence.
Lou
to see this video:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube, Can antidepressants cause violence?]
You will see a pic of a lady..Dr Moria Dolan...about 10 min long

 

Re: Question Lou Pilder

Posted by SLS on November 25, 2011, at 17:33:29

In reply to Lou's response-ehykahmuntyvdhth, posted by Lou Pilder on November 25, 2011, at 17:19:14

> Here is a video...


What does this have to do with faith?

If you could post an answer to this question, I will have the opportunity to respond accordingly. Otherwise, I urge you to redirect your comments elsewhere.


- Scott

 

Re: Lou's response-phndtnvhey markwell

Posted by Lou Pilder on November 25, 2011, at 21:52:57

In reply to Re: Lou's response-phndtnvhey, posted by markwell on November 24, 2011, at 11:16:52

> I read admin7968 so how can you help me if you can't reveal it here?
> Mark

Mark,
I can shine the light of truth on what you could be (redacted by respondent) here. But to do so, I would like to have you post an answer to the following:
Lou
A. Which God are you referring to here?

 

Re: Truth? Lou Pilder

Posted by SLS on November 25, 2011, at 23:01:28

In reply to Re: Lou's response-phndtnvhey markwell, posted by Lou Pilder on November 25, 2011, at 21:52:57

> I can shine the light of truth on what you could be (redacted by respondent) here.


Are you declaring here that your belief system represents the one and only truth at the exclusion of all others?

I thought that this sort of thing was discouraged on the Faith board.


- Scott

 

Lou's response-dhaleiyz markwell

Posted by Lou Pilder on November 26, 2011, at 7:42:33

In reply to Re: Lou's response-phndtnvhey, posted by markwell on November 24, 2011, at 11:16:52

> I read admin7968 so how can you help me if you can't reveal it here?
> Mark

Mark,
Here is an article that I think could help us in any discussion that we have here.
Lou
To see this article,
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube,Mercola, How big Pharma even your doctor]


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