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Re: Re: Question for gg. (w/trepidation) » Dinah

Posted by 64Bowtie on February 5, 2004, at 13:29:30

In reply to Re: Question for gg. » gardenergirl, posted by Dinah on February 4, 2004, at 23:37:49

>>>As a CBT, he views feelings as the *result* of thoughts. I just don't agree with this on a gut level.
<<<Simple. Until someone suggests that memories are assembled, stored, and recalled differently in childhood than they are in adulthood, the ”gut" isn't seen as the menace that it truly can be for adults.
The visceral cortex (gut manager in the brain) is a sensory organ that provides us with bodily function management and safety as adults. What no one told me before I started causing myself trouble was that how ever I used my "gut" as a child, would be different as an adult. Children rely on reactions in the gut for decision making.
Please accept my apology if what I am saying feels wrong. I am not implying badness (or goodness for that matter). Children remember things as bad for them if they make bad feelings in the "gut". The opposite applies for good feelings. Candy and cheesecake seem to give me mixed (up) messages, still.
More detail: visceral management involves core organs. Heart, stomach, intestines, and diaphragm. The lungs are expanded and contracted by the diaphragm, especially when troubles brew and lives are threatened.
The "gut" becomes a menace when we are sitting comfortably on a couch in a friend’s living room and we start hyperventilating at the "thought" of falling. I wouldn't believe it possible if I hadn't seen that and many other similar phobic reactions. When the person is brought back to the here-and-now, the hyperventilating is extinguished.

>>> gut tells me that at least portions of emotions precede cognition, although they may be reinforced by the cognitions.
<<<First question: Do you see in the literature somewhere that cognition is distinct from thought? Isn't cognition from the root word "cognos", which is Greek for knowing, thinking, and assuming? I like to "cogitate" a lot, and its legal to doit in public,
Them "neuro-folks" I continually invoke show us what they see our wiring doing during the information perception process. A perception progresses to a thought if it passes our beliefs (filter). If they fail to pass, perceptions are held in suspension until enough information supports it as a thought.
Perceptions become memories when they pass the beliefs, and an EMOTION is then attached to establish value. Value aids in the placement and recall of memories in the adult mind by impparting value and meaning to the memories we store.
To back up the tape one notch. http// reports a belief as opinions and/or facts supported only by testimony (this is the reason I see no belief worth killing or dying for). I surmize that your dilemma of which comes first, emotion or "cognition" (thought) can be clarified by a study of "whys and whens" of beliefs.
Beliefs are a very efficient tool for intuiting what the next best thing to do is. From a time/value study, beliefs are most useful to our casual, day-to-day lives. They allow us to take action without having to process the existing knowledge all over again.
Even though there is 100 years separating Jean Piaget and Roger Penrose, anyone can read both and notice the overlapping in technology available to tolerance and discovery. Piaget observed empirically the cause and effect of developmental behaviors. Penrose has been studying "brain-juices", along the way finding how brilliant Piaget really was.
If you think you've "seen a ghost" while reading this post, czek the archives.




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