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Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria? Phillipa

Posted by alexandra_k on April 11, 2021, at 0:50:11

In reply to Re: Why Did ASTRA ZENECA change name to Vaxzevria? alexandra_k, posted by Phillipa on April 10, 2021, at 23:22:18

> Right now the new cases of Covid are in the 20=40 year olds as the older people are fully vaccinated.

I see.

> In order for the schools to open full time and the Universities they must have established herd immunity. And the children are carriers of the virus and now a lot are also getting sick.

20-40 do you mean, or under 20?

> Moderna they are saying is stronger has more vaccine concentration in it so thinking of lowering it.

Watering it down?

There is a trade-off. Finding a theraputic dose is somewhere between a toxic dose and an ineffective dose. You can look at things at a population level and try and figure out what dose is optimal... Even plugging in a few different parameters, in case it makes a difference. Age band. Gender. Maybe even if one is on one of the most heavily prescribed medications... Like... I don't know... Aspirin. Or a blood thinner. Try and figure what is optimal that way...

But different people are different. Some people have a reactive immune system (indicated by history of allergy). Other people have a more sluggish immune response. Etc.

Ideally... You'd make a clinical... Guestimate. On the basis of the knowledge of mechanisms you get from a combo of science and experience.

But that doesn't mean you have an excuse not to back off when you see symptoms of toxicity.

If they water it down they will likely lower the efficacy (at the population level). But they will also likely lower the risk of symptoms.

Sounds like the rash is thrombocytopenia. The actual course of events seems to be clotting -> thrombocytopenia. So it sounds like part of the same thing. From all of the vaccines.

They are dispensed under 'emergency dispensation' everywhere except NZ, I think. I think that means that everywhere people are giving up the usual legal protections they have. There is an element of experimentation / frontier of knowledge about it. That was justified because... Lots of people have been dying of Covid. So...

All of the vaccines that have been rolled out have less risk associated than the risk that was associated with no vaccination at all.

> Also talk on the medical newsletters I get that they are also thinking of alternating doses of vaccine brands..

Yes. They want to know about mixing and matching different types of vaccine, now. It's a another parameter to collect data on.

>... to possibly get the new variants with 5 now all over the states. The UK, Brazilian, African, Indian, and California variants.

Mmm Hmm. I'm not entirely convinced about all this. I don't understand.

> The rashes if they were spots on hands and soles of feet would indicate thrombocytopenia which has occurred in a few people.


> Astra Zeneca is not going to give the vaccine to those under 50 due to clots last I heard Johnson & Johnson will be given instead.

Yeah. Different countries are setting the age parameter differently. I have heard 60, 50... Different countries value their elderly different...

> The total of the Doctors is 90 didn't count mine. They only see patients in their offices. So they use for anything that needs a hospital one of the two major ones in this area.

I see. Independent consultant with independent consultation rooms.

> They must refer their patients to a hospital so they would then be paying the hospital for any procedures operations blood products.

So they then see the patient in the hospital? Do they do the procedures in the hospital, too?

> Watch tomorrow probably Monday there will be a new change to something to do with the vaccines.


> And the doctors that do the procedures whether private or one from the hospital will bill the patient separately. Philipa

So the independent consultants effectively rent rooms (OR's and recovery suites and nursing support and so on) from the hospital?

And insurance smoothes things over for the patient.




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