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Re: Partlycloudy

Posted by alexandra_k on September 23, 2018, at 0:09:21

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on September 22, 2018, at 23:37:11

and I guess I start to see *why* it's largely about doing this and then that and then the next thing. getting the things ticked off. because the ability to get on and do the things is that f*ck*ng rare. people, for the most part, simply will not / simply cannot.

in the public sector you got all these open plan spaces and they are basically creches for adults. so they can get all up in everyones business and so on... the whole 9-5 thing so that domestic violence is a little less. the whole hard physical labour thing so that domestic violence is a little less. the whole... artificial facade of too many people too many people too many people to try and get people keeping their heads down and huddling with their herds...

so that things are... civilised and pleasant. for... uh... for...

a quiet few who get things done. for the good of.... as many as possible? as greater proportion as possible?

to try and have as many *believe* they've truly made it in life. advisor to the advisor of the big chief boss of that... filling up the empty hotel rooms and flights... pushing their papers...

it's such an empty facade.

 

Re: Partlycloudy

Posted by alexandra_k on September 23, 2018, at 2:39:04

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on September 23, 2018, at 0:09:21

and i suspect it is an illusion. the whole one-man thing.

i suspect it was more about internet promotions. part of the whole 'how do we get the buy-in' problem. how do we get people to pay $1,000 or so for their very own personal surveillance device that they are sufficiently 'addicted' to (shall we say) such that they stay within their arms reach 24/7? quite the problem. but it has been solved - yes?

i know i will stop posting here.

i was asked at my interview, a while back, now, what 2 things were that i would invest in. i nominated 2 things. and in the last 10 years i have seen people invest in those things (or things in their proximity) enough to make money off of it while simulteneously undermining what it was about those things that made them worthy of investing in.

one of them was the theraputic potential of the internet. which has been ruined by (cr(apps)). more to the point ruined by much taxpayers money being diverted to their development -- which has basically meant a chunk of money being gifted to people who did not develop a workable app, at the end of the day.

the other of them was this youth centre run by a particular figure, again.

and that makes 3 enterprises i've seen on the up...

they were getting some meaningful life changes for these kids. and now there is a hub here, a hub there, a hub every f*ck*ng where. they are talking about non birthing unit maternity hubs, now. basically... you know... an empty room that we write 'medical clinic' on the side of it only... there's nobody home.

you do have people who will only be the sole provider. who will not allow others to bring anything to the table. those are the people in charge of here. say you depose them. then what will happen? others will only rise up to take their place. aren't there any people who are different? Who are willing to do things differently? the former have invested in their not being. so...

i know you are supposed to keep your head down and your mouth shut and bide your time... wait for your opportunity...

but that's there strategy.

 

Re: Partlycloudy

Posted by alexandra_k on September 23, 2018, at 2:51:54

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on September 23, 2018, at 2:39:04

I mean, what are you going to do?

3rd year physiology. you have to participate in these 3 hour lab things where you get to (have to) operate on a live sheep which involves trying to kill it, for the sake of trying to revive it's heart with adrenalin.

2nd year physiology. where you have to write up this laboratory on the dive reflex -- only the laboratory set-up doesn't actually allow us to test the dive reflex. because the dive reflex was a physiological response that kicks into people when people have their faces submerged in water and they do not breathe for... i don't remember how long... but it was quite some time... it was time enough for their body to do a 'i am going to die' shutting down response so the heart rate drops... in the lab we weren't going to play 'soldier (or perhaps jewish prisoner) has been dropped in the water! how long we got!' so we changed the experiment so it involved only 30 second breath hold. which, of course, isn't long enough for bradychardia. so we redefined bradychardia so that we managed to produce a dive reflex!

at least, that's how we were supposed to write it up. if we wanted to pass. our data found evidence of the dive reflex, you see.

never mind mark houser or whatever... nevermind falsifying data or lying about what you did... you do what you are told when you are told because you are told if you want to pass physiology.

only... if that's what it takes to pass physiology -- i don't want to pass physiology. anything that requires any of that... just ain't worth doing. any grade from the person who has co-ordinated all of that... just ain't worth earning.

don't get me started on other degrees.

the solution is supposed to be to huddle with the herd. just write what everyone else writes. we don't have a group plagarism thing for science. you go along to the person in charge and you play dumb and say you don't know what to say / what to write and they tell you and you write them down verbatim.

that's basically it: you write them down, verbatim. the people in charge.

then i guess you are left with: and what is it that they are teaching you? anything worth knowing?

does it have the potential to help things better or worse or much the same?

i am tired of being treated like an idiot.
shushed in seminars.
and so on.

what would the world really have gained by employing me as a philosopher?

happy vibes they prevented me from doing what it was that i actually wanted to do... to try and help make things better for us all...

because people can't see beyond their own little pocket.

i am done talking. and... everything. this year...

there is no way around: i did everything in my power. and have had it beyond everything. the complete and utter sh*t hole garbage heap of here. i have been saying it for years... wasting my life... because other people are too f*ck*ng stupid to have things any other way.

 

Re: Partlycloudy

Posted by alexandra_k on September 23, 2018, at 3:00:15

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on September 23, 2018, at 2:51:54

and actually, that's not even it. they got me being philosopher.

what they never did do, was get around to paying me. for any of it.

 

Re: Partlycloudy

Posted by alexandra_k on September 23, 2018, at 3:01:57

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on September 23, 2018, at 3:00:15

because they decided to give the money to people who need to control others.

making this country better, you see. like that.

 

Re: Partlycloudy

Posted by alexandra_k on September 23, 2018, at 22:29:24

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on September 23, 2018, at 3:01:57

because i did do the work.
i did my 6 month review (at the 12 month mark - along with my cohort).
i did my mid-term.

my supervisor refused to acknowledge it *as* my review, and *as* my mid-term. he kept saying it wasn't good enough, or it wasn't of the right format, or...

and i was supposed to stand up to him. only... i didn't want to play that awful game. i didn't realise he was playing an awful game. i didn't realise he was being horrible to me becuase he thought it was somehow his job to be horrible to me. some hazing or right of passage or i don't know. and i don't much care.

i wanted to do philosophy because i was intellectually curious about things and i wanted to learn about things. but i seemed to be learning that mostly i wasn't being taught anything i actually had come to want to learn about. so... i pursued learning about the things i wanted to learn about.

and here we are.

there was this whole thing about kids and then being expected to earn your keep or bring something to the table.

but lets remember the whole government distribution system (not talking about taxes talking about gross earnings)...

why is it in the nations interests to keep their people weak and powerless and uneducated and sick and... awful.

most especially when the people have intrinsic desire / capacity to contribute towards the development of... more than that.

?

idle

why keep the people idle?

i guess people are still riding the wave of the financial crisis. it was predictably late hitting these shores... or something. i don't know.

beam me up

i guess the bottleneck thing is mostly to teach people to get the hell out of academia. universities. to get people looking into private sector. seeing the psychopaths the universities hail as mighty leaders and all that. it's not about the best grades. i got the best grades before and where did that get me? i was supposed to take my place as bottleneck for students with capacity for more. i was supposed to take my public sector job (i can't believe they pay me so much for doing so little). (i can't believe they give me a job doing x when i'm incompetent at x and not doing y when i'm competetent at y).

all this is because i haveh to revise and resubmit.

clearly.

i hate philosophy

 

Re: Partlycloudy alexandra_k

Posted by Clearskies on September 23, 2018, at 22:31:58

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on September 23, 2018, at 22:29:24

You used to post quite a bit about philosophy.

 

Re: Partlycloudy

Posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 0:50:30

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy alexandra_k, posted by Clearskies on September 23, 2018, at 22:31:58

(((cs)))

 

Re: Partlycloudy

Posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 1:21:22

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 0:50:30

yeah. it used to be my form of therapy. because there wasn't any other.

but i've come to see the problem really isn't with me. it is a poor person-environment fit kind of a thing.

i studied philosophy because i genuinely was interested in it. but it turns out other people studied philosophy not becuase they were genuinely interested in it, but becuase it was the only thing they did well in (or similar). and then they were incentivised to ruin the whole thing for everyone. or similar.

 

Re: Partlycloudy alexandra_k

Posted by Clearskies on September 24, 2018, at 1:23:29

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 1:21:22

> yeah. it used to be my form of therapy. because there wasn't any other.
>
> but i've come to see the problem really isn't with me. it is a poor person-environment fit kind of a thing.
>
> i studied philosophy because i genuinely was interested in it. but it turns out other people studied philosophy not becuase they were genuinely interested in it, but becuase it was the only thing they did well in (or similar). and then they were incentivised to ruin the whole thing for everyone. or similar.
>
>
Yes, indeed. I saw this when my then step son majored in philosophy. He switched to seminary school and actually learned how to count the number of angels on the head of a pin.

 

Re: Partlycloudy

Posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 1:28:30

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 1:21:22

nobody would teach me anything, but philsophy was a thing that didn't require anybody to teach me, particularly. read the stuff... write about the stuff...

i don't know.

you got these people over in English who 10 or 20 years later are still working on stuff they did their PhD on. or not working at all. like... like they haven't read anything since.

whatever it is that got them working has gone away and they just don't do that, anymore.

it just gets to a point where people are all 'rubbish rubbish rubbish' at each other and meaningful activity ceases.

they do pay them.

then, i guess, you go: and what do they do with their money?

i mean... i think they can take uni courses for free? one per semester, or something? they could do a whole degree in 10 years! in something entirely different! in computer science or statistics or....

but they don't.

money seems to be the greatest de-incentiviser of all. give people money and watch them idle their lives away.

i wonder if that is always the case.

money. the great... neutraliser. nuterer. steraliser.

probably it is just the illusion of money.

at hte end of the day it's about workign conditions, i would have thought.

it's funny isn't it how people often choose to pay for living conditions which are not conducive for tehm to work.

i guess they need a lord and master... while beleving themselves to be god.

f*ck knows.

i should just remember '[this city] is sh*t'. that's the received wisdom. training ground for the UK. that's all.

i wonder if i'll get to go to edinburgh one day. the uk... i would like that.

 

Re: Partlycloudy

Posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 1:49:09

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy alexandra_k, posted by Clearskies on September 24, 2018, at 1:23:29

seminary school, hmm.

theology can be interesting. the stories we tell people. the buy-in. how we can get people to behave with the buy-in.

i've been thinking about churches (the physical buildings as warehouses) as insurance companies. the start of that. social insurance. the person in charge of the church gets to decide who is a worthy welfare recipient in times of need and how much of the pot they should get. how to spend those tithes. for the good of the congregation, of course.

my grandfather was a minister. they sent him up north and he wasn't able to arrange meaningful activity, i don't think. the guy after him did a little better, from what i could figure. got the people to work on / develop the church, it seemed. his house. i think that is the idea? his house with a large living room sort of an area for people to come into the warm on sundays... his house with the food store in the basement.. gods house... his house... so confusing...

rules of morality.... or civility (as the case may be) haha. and of course who gets to decide... a group of elders...

oen of the churches is handing over a residential hall to the university. apparently they can't manage it. they had a bout of GI out of the kitchens last year. sounds like biological warfare to me. or maybe just genuine not able to manage the cleaners... i don't know.

last rites.... first rites. births and deaths. i guess churches are... demise.. yeah.

universities. not as higher learning, anymore. the aspirational the ideal has gone out of them too.

the buy in. to try and inspire people to work towards a lofty ideal for the good of us all. one that is only attainable if we buy in.

be the change you wish to see...

all that. i guess it's the same story over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

becuase that's how many times it seems to need to be said.

i do think that htings are genuinely worse. but i suppose it is possible that i am growing up... and seeing things differently. i suppose it was possible that i was far more naieve before.

it is also possible that there is something...

there was this incident a while back. the government has been contracting out management of our prisons to foreign companies, as you do, so if people outside the prisons hear of atrocities being committed inside the prisons (as they will because people will deliver those surveillance devices to prisoners, of course) then the government has this plausible deniability sort of a thing it can do.

and so some of the prisoners uploaded videos of them street (or prison i guess) fighting / brawling withotu any supervision in this big warehouse type of a room. uploaded to youtube or similar. and of cousre the government had to provide some sort of a statement of how these people in a nz prison were fighting like that and uploading footage to youtube.

and they gave this maaori minister guy air time to try and justify it from the government point of view. and he did such a bad job of it. i mean... i saw, instantly, why they have people who just spout nonsense garbage. this guy couldn't look to the camera and spout nonsense garbage - which was the game of politics. because, of course, there is no justification for what happened. it's not acceptable. and the government does not have plausible deniability. it just doesn't.

but there was something deeply disturbing at this guy sort of trying to play politics but clearly not having any idea of what the game was that he was supposed tobe playing even. and it made his presence there... though also the whole idea of government... the whole thing... was just so clearly and obviously farcical. just a complete and utter facade of anything... there's nobody home.

the problem with teh churches was sex abuse of women and children. that came to bite them. people have lost confidence in the churches.

i think about the buhhdist (i think they were) monestaries. as schools of higher learning. mendel... and his pea plants. the... aesthetic life.... esoteric... i don't know. i think about the robes of scholarship that were supposed to be a.... out... of the traditoinal class thing. orphans that were raised by the monks and taught how to read and translate texts, or whatever. guardians of the knowledge...

but then it was the place to send the second son because the first inherited the estate. and course it is expedient to have an ideal... a story... a narrative of how the kid was chosen by god becuase of being ill early on...

and the interest people have in constructing false ideals to get people to work towards something that is for the good of: only them.

and perhaps people are delusional and lose sight of good for who.

i suspect that is it. when it is for the good of you it is easier to tell yourself lit is for the good of all.

i suspect there is an element of that.

hard to know when to hold fast and when to listen to other people and adopt self-doubt.

bob's virtue was that he was a rock. but of course that was also his vice and his ultimate downfall. so... the whole thing was inevitable, really. and expedient from teh perspective of public health or whatever. surveillance devices in tooth implants and the like are years away... internet buy-in and i-phones are for today...

 

Re: Partlycloudy

Posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 3:10:37

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 1:49:09

because his defence was to try and mutter something about 'culturally appropriate'.

and i saw...

you have some elite maaori who are willing to screw over their own people, if it is to their advantage. we gotta remember that there never was any unified maori - there were a bunch of tribes at war with one another. and... an aspect or element of that remains.

it's a maori issue because most of the guys in the prison appeared maaori. there is this whole thing where individual prison cells (where they have bunk mates so maybe 2 to a cell) is more expensive than big warehouse rooms, you see. like free range chickens, we tell ourselves. it isn't culturally appropriate to give people individual privacy / a place away from another who enjoys abusing them. we tell ourselves.

the government chose to give the contract to an overseas company. the government chose not to look into the particulars of that contract. the government chose not to look into whether it was actually feasible to provide humane facilities and services for the price that was quoted. the government chose to spend how much on politicians salaries, again, instead of going their f*ck*ng job of looking after their people.

and i guess the buffoon on tv was... what... some reminder of how the government chooses to distribute it's money. they decided to employ him to do his job instead of paying whoever was supposed to look after the prisoners enough for them to do their job properly.

sigh.

 

Re: Partlycloudy

Posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 3:21:14

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 3:10:37

because people won't stand up and say 'i can't do it for that'.
and becuase people aren't smart enough to look into the particulars and call them on their b*llsh*t. instead they give the contract to the cheapest bidder.
and at some point during the rebuild the work stops and we are told 'unexpected' something has arisen and the government needs to hand over this or that or the next non-trivial sum for the work to resume.

i've been trying to understand how natural disaster (ahem ahem) is good for insurance companies who have to pay out.

apparently it isn't about the paying out. they cry broke! and the government is forced(?) to give them bail outs... handing over... handing over...

money...

so the insurance companies can manage / distribute things with respect to the rebuild. it's the rebuild where things are at.

huh.

 

Re: Partlycloudy

Posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 3:38:40

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 3:21:14

apparently it is something to do with the environment being temperate (by world standards). people weren't forced to work together to survive the winter. people could get by more opportunistically foraging and hunting without much organisation or planning. without much of a planting calender (agriculture). hunting (for example) large ground based birds that didn't have a land-based threat response...

food is plentiful and the climate won't kill you (unless your are really old or young) so you don't need to... labour to build a stone house or a log cabin... a more temporary shelter will suffice... so there isn't much of anything to do but to... play... most of every day... all up in one anothers business and what are you doing why don't you stop what you are doing and entertain me...

that's a version of the story. one where people are focused on... each other. each other as the biggest source of threat. but also each other as the biggest source of reward. each other in a way that doesn't... allow for... co-operative or co-ordinated activity towards a greater project... like a massive physical protective structure for the group... or like a bridge... or a sewerage system... reading writing arithmetic...

the thought was that if the environment was harsher then people would be forced to work together to survive it.

but that's probably just an excuse for imposing a harsher environment.

i just read that the point of slums... is that it breeds an immunologically elite. that was how we 'discovered' / 'invented' the cure for most things... the immune system solution to HIV and much of everything else... it all starts with tissue from samples from the individuals who are living there right amongst it and who have developed *natural immunity*. of course it is a lot of work to find those people, collect samples from them, reproduce what their bodies made in the lab, package that for wider distribution...

but maybe that's why each country wants to develop (and control) it's own, particular, cesspool of a slum.

sigh.

 

Re: Partlycloudy

Posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 3:48:51

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 3:38:40

the terrible-most thing about the polictian was that he was obviously the scape-goat.

someone told him to say 'we thought it was culturally appropriate' as a defense. and he stammered it out.

the fact that that happened. that people allowed it to happen. that someone was behind getting it to happen (possibly - but it's also possible that he genuinely missed the point of politics and somehow thought that his job depended on his doing this voluntarily)...

the whole thing was just awful.

maybe the foreign company allowed / set up the whole thing to extort more money out of the government. maybe.

you gotta track where all the money goes, don't you.

you gotta track how many people in this country don't have enough money to live in a house that is within who guidelines on healthy temperature and humidity. you gotta track how many cocktails some people drink...

you just get sick of them. to be honest. just get sick and tired.

the petty squabbles.

there's no talking reason to them...

that was the thing about freudian psychoanalysis, i guess. it didn't really require much of anything actually from the therapist at all. you can fairly much go at it, yourself.

but there's some documentation. because without the paperwork... without some kind of a record... whats the difference between there being something going on and there being nothing going on?

one of my friends was like 'well, at least they know you can write'. becuase, yeah, that's right, they just assumed i was totally illiterate. i was assaulting work and income officers because i'm an illiterate person on welfare. yeah. they nailed me.

anyone who knows anything of me at all knows i'm all about that. right?

i'm all about being uncivil to people - right? i mean i'm the most uncivil poster you know - right? i come here and abuse the hell out of everyone and externalise all the fault onto the posters here. yep. that's me. totally nailed it.

 

Re: Partlycloudy

Posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 4:18:19

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 3:48:51

and now i'm starting to remember...

and i'm thinking about harmony vs discord. and how there was some discussion about civility as having something to do with harmony and peacekeeping.

and how that can be in tension with... i don't know... disturb. questioning, sometimes. the idea of bouncing off of in... maybe slightly unpredictable directions.

thinking about how i was removed from (and not really understanding of) US politics. and about how sometimes i did misjudge things (perhaps) with respect to... smoothness... being required. i'm not a natural soother. obviously. i think people expect a little less of that from me here than irl because i'm clearly a girl irl and clearly that is the natural function of girls...

hmm.

i remember sending bob an email of 'i hate you i hate you' and i discovered a copy-paste function to make paragraphs into pages into many pages and i don't know how long that email was... i was pretty upset, i remember. yeah.

and i also remember posting a response to every single post so i was the only poster visible on the board. that took work. that'll teach ya for trying to block me. or that'll keep dinah busy, or something. i was pretty upset, i remember. yeah.

i guess nobody knew the addictive(?) potential of the internet, back then. how psychologically... involved... things could get. and so on.

from the perspective of now... i guess the idea of blocks was 'take a step back and cool off'. the idea wasn't to psychologically damage... but it's hard. on the one hand you need rules so people can plan their futures... on the other hand you need to adopt your style as any parent knows. some kids need a firmer touch and others need a lighter touch. only... if that were true then why didn't i just take a step back when asked? i don't know.

and why do i keep spamming the boards now?

i don't know.

i win. i'm not blocked. i asked him to block me. if he blocks me then he's only doing what i asked. he doesn't have power over me anymore.

only he does.

all the other guys in my life died. my father. my brother. there was one guy who i went out with for a time who was a good guy, but things didn't work out. i think maybe he's gay. but also, he actually showed me that there were things about me that wasn't so great (i was eating pretty rubbish and smoking heaps). and... he couldn't sit by and watch me live like that. and... i realised. he was right. no self respecting person would. and strangely... i think that perhaps that might have been the start of me wanting to be a better person. not for him, particularly, but for someone like him. if that makes any kind of sense, at all. this site made me want to be better, too. i worked towards being a better person. i tried to be kinder and gentler. tis hard for me. still working on it.

i do miss a lot of the kindness and gentleness that i found, here. it felt safe for the smaller feelings. nowhere irl has ever felt like that for me. even though my therapist tried... it didn't feel right. i don't know.

 

Re: Partlycloudy alexandra_k

Posted by Clearskies on September 24, 2018, at 16:29:38

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 4:18:19

I remember those times. I was worried about you, even as I would sometimes involve myself and get upset.

Im glad that intensity is in the past.

 

Re: Partlycloudy

Posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 19:31:06

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy alexandra_k, posted by Clearskies on September 24, 2018, at 16:29:38

thanks, pc.

this site was never supposed to be a replacement for people getting the help they needed irl. he was always clear about that. the individual poster did (at times) take the hit for the group, or for his sanity, or whatever... and that wouldn't have been so hard for some people if they had have had the help / support they needed irl.

but i didn't, really. and that made here pretty intense for me.

i don't seek help anymore. i've come to see that help seeking is a display of weakness that others will likely exploit (if they have opportunity) for their advantage. i see that people offering help are often motivated by just how much they can help themselves at others expense.

here was different. which is why it isn't sustainable. as the people from commons-places see something... see something they are not supposed to see because it is not for them...

like how i'm locked out of anything, here. if there even is anything here. i'm of two minds about that.

the last 10 years of my life... how hard i have worked and the university... well, lets see, it starts with them forgetting to pay you and then they forget to pass you...

we'll see.

tidy things up in a few more days because they don't feel they've done their job properly if they don't force me to work on it for longer. i mean... that's what an editor would do for them - right? or a journal peer reviewer? it's the whole 9-5 thing. you must stay with your bum on the seat until 5 or it... isn't fair to the other kids. something like that. and if the person doing the work isn't actually threatened with failure and the like then they wouldn't do work at all.

even when there is a documented history of the person working in... civilised conditions. and cutting and running when treated like garbage. but of course they don't actually want me to finish, anyway, it is better for them if they are a scare resource, or whatever.

whatever. jump through the hoop and get out. they weren't afraid it would come to that they did what they could to bring that about.

of course it did occur to me that the whole small group thing was tied up in a whole charitable donation thing and looking out for donors primarily because thats the way the world works or whatever. of course it did occur to me. and of course it did also occur to me that that makes my presence here, somewhat subsidised and at the whims and vagaries of those who are the primary donors. donors or beneficiaries so hard to track the profits and losses...

but what are you going to do?

take what you can for as long as you can and keep your eyes open for something else to exploit to your advantage?

i'm still here. for whatever that's worth.

it was because it wouldn't have felt right sharing those emotions with my therapist irl. becuase it would have been just the two of us. which would have been wrong, somehow. but sharing those kinds of feelings with what felt like a small group. that did feel right. and at times... here felt like a big city and here felt like there was a war on. yeah. it did.

that's what's different. there aren't lots of people, here, to make this place such a warzone anymore.

but the rebuild didn't happen. well, we got facebook and the like, instead.

good old principles of intermittant reinforcement schedules and so on.

 

Re: Partlycloudy

Posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 19:43:20

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 19:31:06

because you gotta train people to work for money.
and then you gotta train people to give you money for whatever it is that you want to do.

i see a great number of scholarships and i think most of them are sham. data collection is all. there isn't a list or anything of past recipients. though maybe that's what i should ask before applying... for that. to see if they are legit.

they want you to write an essay or whatever. basically do a task that wastes your time. sometimes they want to hear about how poor you are. sometimes they want to hear about how you would choose to invest the money.

i see now that's what people are obsessed with in this city: how would our smartest people invest their money?

and i have come to see: our smartest people certainly would not tell them.

why do they ask?
i suppose that is a test.

the medical class of (i don't remember what year) offers a scholarship to someone who can demonstrate need to be awarded on the basis of what they plan to do with it. so you are supposed to tell them how poor you are and how you can make them billions with some pyramid scheme?

i think it is just taking the piss. i mean, really. because of the idea that poor people should be allowed to study medicine, too. or that people who are not their own first born sons (or, hell, why not their second born sons as well, or hell, why not their daughters?) should get to do.

i guess i see now not to waste my time applying for such things. because they aren't real. they aren't legit. you don't go around sticking your hand up that you are poor because people (dhbs and the like) will think that is their lisence to treat you like crap...

only... i guess that's what is in the rich peoples advantage to have others believe! that's why we should be so happy about them taking their rightful place according to their birthright!

this is all awful.

it's philosophy that gets me in my head thinking things round and round and round. because a thesis is a whole blah blah blah on the one hand blah blah on the other hand blah blah...

it's philosophy that makes me reminiscent and round in circles and winding myself up (trying to care). trying to get into teh spirit of it. trying to *enjoy* it if i can.

i don't do it for the money.
i don't do it for the enjoyment.
i don't do it becuae it is good for me.

something would be wrong with me if i wsn't feelign like shooting my face off, right now.

what a wonderful city that they made!

 

Re: Partlycloudy

Posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 19:55:59

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 19:43:20

i'm not all stuck in my head when i'm trying to memorise the reactions in the kreb cycle. i'm not hating on myself when i'm learning about the difference in electrical potential in different kinds of heart or muscle cells. learning about that kind of stuff i'm kind of overwhelmed by just how much stuff there is to learn... and i'm in awe of the people who figured all that sh*t out.

and of course it's all taught in such a compressed time frame and there isn't any time at all to do anything other than get on and do it. and that carries you along and you learn far more than you ever thought possible in whatever space of time...

and all the people locked out of learning who don't get to because... we prefer to crack teh whip on people who don't want to learn...

and, of course, at the end of the day employing stuff learned to help people.

or to torture animals. i mean what's the difference?

people *can't see the difference*.

there are a lot of people who... feels like they have gone kamakaze on medicine becuase they got locked out. the people here all up in the seminar series thing. teh people here working on invertebrates or whatever. the people who took the money to do... whatever. i guess that's it. the people who took the money. or, hey, why not be like me? why not refuse to work for the person who treats you like crap (because they thought they could treat you like crap and there wasn't anything you could do about that). and be like me. doesn't that seem appealling? let me be a lesson to you partlycloudy. if you want money to spend getting tasers to the frontal lobes don't do any of of what i'd do...

have you thought about how else you could spend that money?

you could... i don't know. isn't there something you beleive int hat you would like to see more of in the world? i mean... you don't see anything to invest in, either?

 

Re: Partlycloudy

Posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 20:11:21

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 19:55:59

i hope that didn't hurt. i did mean to nudge. but not to hurt. i like you, too much. you have been here for me. i hope there have been times when i have been here for you.

and i don't mean to invest in me. though that will, of course, be my next answer, if i'm asked in interview or what not.

i don't suppose i can apply for a $5,000 scholarship and write that what i would do with the money is i would invite engineering students to apply for a $2,500 scholarship which would be granted to the student with the best idea on how to invest that money.

i don't think that is in the spirit of keeping ones head down.

though, i don't suppose it would take long. watching you. watching me. watching you.

but that's right... all these people who have decided to follow the money... follow the money... keep the eyes on the money... learn about the money... learn about how you get money. learn about the things the government HAS TO spend money on and write up the proposal of how you can provide precisely that while feeling secure in your ability to extort a reasonable sum out of them at the end of the day if they get too cocky in their self-congraduation at getting such a great deal for themselves that they are so clever!

sigh.

or, whatever. that's a way to live, i guess. how to, uh, be a provider, or something.

anyway...

go back to working on the thing people think is sh*t. not because they bothered to read it, but because they get a kick out of believing it to be so.

the dhbs... everyone says it's not about the money. it's about the lack of training. it's about being expected to do everything with no supervision and with no senior people training you to do things better. it's about running the show while there's nobody home... it's about living with the ensuring mistakes. it's about the hours you gotta work... it's about no doctors lounge (that would be elitist) so no place you can put yourself away from demanding staff. it's about simultaneously being required to research and study and pass exams and apply to other jobs and private colleges and it's about persisting in all of that. it's about not being taken for too much of a fool in applying for things that never were... it's mostly about the psychological thing of people being motivated to have people believe that it's about things that it's not about. eg. its about being born rich or it's about having parents who are doctors or it's about having parents who are surgeons specifically or it's about being whatever colour you are not or its about... and it's about persisting in the face of all of that.. because.. what's the alternative? give up then. go away. you never woulda made it anyway.

but then it's about these awful people who... are incompetent. being paid to do all these things they're inept at. to you.

it's about getting out of your head and doing something. something not in your head round and round in circles. i mean, hey, they pay some people to do it. let them do it, then.

 

Re: Partlycloudy

Posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 22:38:05

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 19:31:06

of course i am also thinking about how i spend my money. and about how things have been habitable for me, this year. and about how i could have done things differently (better) this year with respect to how i spent my money.

i have faint memories of this church budgeting seminar thing i went to when i was a kid. the guy said something about giving a kid an allowance and requiring them to split it into 3. 1 for saving. 2 for gifting. 3 for spending. that way the kid gets to watch savings grow (and learn to deliberate over longer term purchases). the kid learns... philanthropy. and to buy gifts for others. the kid learns to spend a little on things they want.

then there is a way of the kid saying just *how much* they want this, that, or the next thing. like *how many times* those chickens would peck at that key for a tiny morsel of food... or for access to scratching litter... whether the kid was prepared to save for those fancy shoes or that fancy bike or whatever.

and that all made a lot of sense to me. but tell it to the people who pay me (ie my mother who chose to give me precisely nothing apparently in punishment for my neverending stream of `bad behavior').

but of course things are different for me now. and i have been eating rather a little more than I needed to (rather a little more than i should) this year. of good food, mostly. but also spending a bit on alchohol - which is an opportunity cost thing.

why didn't i pay the ad blocker people the money they suggested for their really good product instead of buying that 6 pack of beers? what is more important to me - what do i want to see more of in the world?

why didn't i pay bob something for all the hours he's put into this site over the years...

yeah.

i have been thinking about starting a savings fund. even if i literally only put a buck in it every week my whole attitude to life will be different if it's something i am adding to rather than taking from. and a philanthropy fund, of course. mostly so i intentionally go around the world looking for things i see value in. to reward them. to invest in them. to show appreciation for them in some way. whether it be a busker or a charity that (rarely) seems legit. or... whatever. buy my friend an ice-cream for a change. whatever.

sometimes things don't cost as much as i fear they will. often times, actually. there is all the difference in my world when i have a back-stop in a bank account. in the way i conduct myself and then i actually see about various things and am often surprised that they end up not costing me anything / end up being affordable for me, after all.

i need to see about dental... i've been putting that off. will do it after this is done. and optometry... i'm actually concerned i have blood vessles enlarged and quite visible on teh surface of the white of my eyes... one of them there is a real mess of blood vessle and i want to check it's not feeding / starting a tumor, or something... all those years of no eye protection in the ratiation...

anyway... any thoughts / advice? for someone else's kid. haha.

 

Re: Partlycloudy

Posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 23:24:25

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 22:38:05

and then i suppose i need to remember the whole work and income security people assaulting people who turn up to ask for help... and the work and income workers who try and demand you exhaust any possible line of credit (including loan sharks)...

and it's all a farce... sham... to intimidate / bully people into... nothing.

to actually have a savings fund would have meant i would have been expected to have used that. in other words, i was not ever allowed to have a savings fund. when you get $150 a week and rent is $110 that doesn't leave a lot for food. sure you could put a buck in... sure you could...

but no.. i really don't think you could've.

it's been only relatively recently that 2 bank accounts has even been standard. why would you give a person 2 (linked) accounts for. to try and encourage them to save? to save what? they don't have enough to meet their basic day to day needs.

sure they buy alcohol. but that's self medication. do you know how much it would cost them / the government to actually give them enough such that they didn't need alcohol to get through their days?

but alchohol is a funny (strange) one. we know it's largely opportunistic. that's why poor neighbourhoods have readily accessible alcohol stores but not readily accessible healthy food stores. that's why the supermarkets are around 1/3 alchohol. i guess that means people do (we would like people to?) spend 1/3 their grocery bill on alcohol?

?

then i guess we can blame them for their poor decisions. their poverty is their fault. blah blah blah de blah.

it was doing philosophy that got me back in teh sink hole of drinking. how much you gotta drink to be all 'on the one hand on the other hand' go find 5 references for that. rubbish rubbish. and so on...

the restructure was because a crucial figure left. and they couldn't find anyone of anything approximating that.. calibre. to replace him. because of where australia was in the world. they were looking to northern hemisphere only people of comperable calibre didn't really have ties to australia and didn't have anything much to be running / escaping from in the northern hemisphere. who would want to put themselves through the hell of that kind of commute across hemispheres on a regular basis?

why wasn't aussie raising it's own people to replace the previous generation? they had taken off for overseas... sure... but they were supposed to come back after their whole oe thing... only... they didn't seem to. i don't know. there was... too much of a jump / gap between the senior people and the junior people. it was like this gap between them... i don't know.. anyway, restructure. more junior jobs.

i get that it is about insecurity. my supervisor gave me a hard time because he thought if he didn't then other people would think he was rubbish for not giving me a hard time. or something. but he didn't give such a hard time to other of his students... the rich ones. yeah.

i guess i saw people that had to do all the way to end of phd to get into med in aussie. i keep coming back to the whole 3 applications (application rounds?) on average... and this idea of things being... random. it's like he said: what are the chances? those people... why did they have to do to end of phd to get to do it? weren't they smart? they were plenty smart. werne't htey personable? they were plenty personable. werne't tehy rich? they were plenty rich. well, then, there we go.

were they better off at the end of the day for getting in later? hard to say. maybe... maybe not. maybe a degree in neuroscience makes it more likely you will do particularly well in neuro stuff down teh track if you are into that... who knows.

it makes the hospitals look like htey have more senior staff. insofar as people assume that older means more senior. in hospitals where people are hiding their name badges to try and conceal that they aren't doctors or student doctors or... anything... maybe even anyone at all... volunteers? randoms walknig the halls... who knows...

of course it ain't all that bad. ortho did seem organised in the bigger hospital. there were registrars who had been accepted to specialist training. pretty sure. could tell the diffeence between the student docs who wern't docs at all and the student docs who were psychiatry trainees...

but the training programs are going, apparently. because you need 3 consultants to run a specialist unit. for supervision of the trainees. so the trainees can ask for help when they need it and learn something. otherwise... you don't got a spcialist unit. you got... nothing much at all, honestly.

i think some people probably are happy being doctors, whatever. some people are happy being the boss. i think it would be better to learn from competent people. maybe it's fortunate many people would rather be the boss than learn from competent people. i don't know.

damn i really don't want to write this thing.

i'm taking deep breaths...

i'm remembering... all my undergraduate work: never missed a deadline. all my undergraduate work: always got a pretty terrific mark. all my honours work: ditto. my masters was filling in time for phd applications which were based on my honours achievement. it took 2 years because i had no reason to finish before i had accepted an offer of place. even then i didn't need to finish for anything at all becaue my place was not dependent on it. but i did it for me. for the love of it. and i got a good grade.

then during my phd... i stopped enjoying it. i stopped loving it. my supervsior started telling me my work was crap. and... that wasnt pleasant. why would i want to work for him? so i stopped.

and now this is just a hoop because i need to be done. so... hand it in on the deadline. only different people have different ideas of deadline. and they want another couple weeks work.

and revising it different, revising it better. revising it because they said 'go revise it'.

i used to trust my judgement on how much time things would take and people were happy with the result. until they weren't.

at which point - what you gonna do?

i did same as most everyone else did. got the hell away. but others had reason to jump through that hoop at the end (ie because it made them eligable to apply to med or becuase it made them eligable to apply for post-doc or for tenure track). it wasn't doing any of that for me so why finish if i wasn't enjoying it any more?

philosophy no longer makes sense.

 

Re: Partlycloudy alexandra_k

Posted by Clearskies on September 24, 2018, at 23:58:36

In reply to Re: Partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2018, at 22:38:05

> of course i am also thinking about how i spend my money. and about how things have been habitable for me, this year. and about how i could have done things differently (better) this year with respect to how i spent my money.
>
> i have faint memories of this church budgeting seminar thing i went to when i was a kid. the guy said something about giving a kid an allowance and requiring them to split it into 3. 1 for saving. 2 for gifting. 3 for spending. that way the kid gets to watch savings grow (and learn to deliberate over longer term purchases). the kid learns... philanthropy. and to buy gifts for others. the kid learns to spend a little on things they want.
>
> then there is a way of the kid saying just *how much* they want this, that, or the next thing. like *how many times* those chickens would peck at that key for a tiny morsel of food... or for access to scratching litter... whether the kid was prepared to save for those fancy shoes or that fancy bike or whatever.
>
> and that all made a lot of sense to me. but tell it to the people who pay me (ie my mother who chose to give me precisely nothing apparently in punishment for my neverending stream of `bad behavior').
>
> but of course things are different for me now. and i have been eating rather a little more than I needed to (rather a little more than i should) this year. of good food, mostly. but also spending a bit on alchohol - which is an opportunity cost thing.
>
> why didn't i pay the ad blocker people the money they suggested for their really good product instead of buying that 6 pack of beers? what is more important to me - what do i want to see more of in the world?
>
> why didn't i pay bob something for all the hours he's put into this site over the years...
>
> yeah.
>
> i have been thinking about starting a savings fund. even if i literally only put a buck in it every week my whole attitude to life will be different if it's something i am adding to rather than taking from. and a philanthropy fund, of course. mostly so i intentionally go around the world looking for things i see value in. to reward them. to invest in them. to show appreciation for them in some way. whether it be a busker or a charity that (rarely) seems legit. or... whatever. buy my friend an ice-cream for a change. whatever.
>
> sometimes things don't cost as much as i fear they will. often times, actually. there is all the difference in my world when i have a back-stop in a bank account. in the way i conduct myself and then i actually see about various things and am often surprised that they end up not costing me anything / end up being affordable for me, after all.
>
> i need to see about dental... i've been putting that off. will do it after this is done. and optometry... i'm actually concerned i have blood vessles enlarged and quite visible on teh surface of the white of my eyes... one of them there is a real mess of blood vessle and i want to check it's not feeding / starting a tumor, or something... all those years of no eye protection in the ratiation...
>
> anyway... any thoughts / advice? for someone else's kid. haha.

I encourage you to start saving what you can, on a regular basis. I do best when its money that is automatically whisked from the account Im paid into into a savings account I pretend I dont have.

Its a great way to start!
I practice some philanthropy though I cannot afford it. Some individuals and some local causes speak to me and if I can make a contribution, I do.

CS


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