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Posted by Lamdage22 on September 19, 2017, at 8:34:06
One hour of endeavor and i am done. This is really bad. Yes i do work in a integrative super market for three hours a day... but this is not the kind of work that you would have to face in a normal supermarket.
How can i go back to being more productive?
Posted by Lamdage22 on September 19, 2017, at 8:36:58
In reply to I am not used to the slightest bit of endeavor, posted by Lamdage22 on September 19, 2017, at 8:34:06
I will try neurofeedback but not for another six months.
Posted by Pontormo on September 20, 2017, at 6:10:18
In reply to Re: I am not used to the slightest bit of endeavor, posted by Lamdage22 on September 19, 2017, at 8:36:58
One thing might be to feel good about the one hour -- and not associate with with such negative thoughts -- This might make working feel better-- like something you can take pride in-- and then also I might try to add small amounts of time to it. Maybe 15 minutes or half an hour at a time-- and get used to that-- again making sure that you give yourself credit for it, when you do it. Over time, you might be able to build up.
I'm sure there's much more to it, but I would really try to have good thoughts about work that you're able to do-- so that it seems like it's worthwhile to make more effort, and the effort itself feels less aversive-- Making sure to add small increments and to be able to take some pleasure in that would also mean that you weren't overdoing it, and then feeling defeated.
Posted by beckett2 on September 21, 2017, at 17:26:45
In reply to Re: I am not used to the slightest bit of endeavor, posted by Pontormo on September 20, 2017, at 6:10:18
Pontormo makes some good points. I can't add anything else, except to say I understand completely. Why has the abilty to endeavor like one did difficult for some and not for others?
Posted by Lamdage22 on September 25, 2017, at 22:51:09
In reply to Re: I am not used to the slightest bit of endeavor, posted by beckett2 on September 21, 2017, at 17:26:45
Thanks for the answers. I am working 4 hour days now. I guess i just wanted too much in too little time. 4 hours are ok for me.
Posted by Pontormo on September 29, 2017, at 6:24:52
In reply to Re: I am not used to the slightest bit of endeavor, posted by Lamdage22 on September 25, 2017, at 22:51:09
Congrats for working 4 hours. You say, "i guess I just wanted too much"-- so you sound discouraged that you're not working more. I wondered what you're doing in your work, and what about it you like or don't like.
Posted by Lamdage22 on September 29, 2017, at 6:47:19
In reply to Re: I am not used to the slightest bit of endeavor, posted by Pontormo on September 29, 2017, at 6:24:52
Well i am not getting any money for that so... Its just volunteering. That discourages me. Need to find something were i get paid.
Posted by alexandra_k on September 29, 2017, at 21:25:31
In reply to Re: I am not used to the slightest bit of endeavor, posted by Lamdage22 on September 29, 2017, at 6:47:19
> Well i am not getting any money for that so... Its just volunteering. That discourages me. Need to find something were i get paid.
Huh.
I thought money was a kind of stop-gap to keep people working when they didn't find the work they were doing to be particularly meaningful / worthwhile / helpful / enjoyable.
But I guess volunteering is less and less about meaningful work and more and more about rattling a tin to support the charities board of directors...
I find that work (whether it be mental or physical) is something that you can train. My capacity builds up with practice and time. Other things can help build up my work capacity, too. A good nights sleep. Quality nutrition.
Posted by alexandra_k on September 29, 2017, at 21:27:16
In reply to Re: I am not used to the slightest bit of endeavor, posted by alexandra_k on September 29, 2017, at 21:25:31
> I thought money was a kind of stop-gap to keep people working when they didn't find the work they were doing to be particularly meaningful / worthwhile / helpful / enjoyable.
I don't mean that is the only reason why people take paid work.
I just meant that there might be things aside from money that would motivate you...
Though... I suppose that partly depends on how much money you do or don't have in the first place.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on September 30, 2017, at 0:38:44
In reply to I am not used to the slightest bit of endeavor, posted by Lamdage22 on September 19, 2017, at 8:34:06
when i worked at the gap, stock ... each morning i would prep myself up .... like getting ready for a big day, with an feeling like your gonna get it done, and when your working you keep a fast rotating mind set, i rerember i used to do that, kinda went dormant for a while, but you get a semi-adrenaline feeling with a fast moving thoughts and pace....when your in a crowd or a high intesnity work ... you have to prep yourself and make your thoughts move fast, some meds that your on could slow that down, but still try it, when they put me on zyprexa it slowed things down, but my mind adapted over time, it used to just knock me out, and be so slow that i could bearly think, i adapted after time.....but still keep that mind set, ready set go, and then have a get this done feeling
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 3, 2017, at 2:34:39
In reply to Re: I am not used to the slightest bit of endeavor, posted by rjlockhart37 on September 30, 2017, at 0:38:44
I am quite affluent actually..
Still i dont want to do it for nothing. I will speak to someone tomorrow and they may give me a voucher for the place i work in. Albeit little, i do want some recognition for my work.
Posted by alexandra_k on October 3, 2017, at 2:52:52
In reply to Re: I am not used to the slightest bit of endeavor, posted by Lamdage22 on October 3, 2017, at 2:34:39
> I am quite affluent actually..
> Still i dont want to do it for nothing. I will speak to someone tomorrow and they may give me a voucher for the place i work in. Albeit little, i do want some recognition for my work.
Haha. Fair enough. I'm just thinking of something along the lines of 'virtue being it's own reward' - but that's only true if you believe that there is something virtuous about the work.
I just mean that it is... Perhaps increasingly common to find that 'charity' or 'volunteer' work turns out most often not to be something that people do find virtuous.
People over here rattle a tin for boards of directors... I have a hard time.
I heard someone say something about driving people to hospital visits / appointment for free... Over here we have multimillion (or is it billion?) dollar 'charities' (with boards of directors sitting on salaries in the hundreds of thousands of dollars per year I would bet) that charge people... I don't know... $700 for an ambulance. That's what a 'charity' looks like, over here, I mean. And charity work... Rattling a tin on their behalf.
I'd want to be paid for rattling a tin. Yeah, I would.
What kinda charity / volunteer work are you doing?
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 3, 2017, at 2:55:06
In reply to Re: I am not used to the slightest bit of endeavor, posted by alexandra_k on October 3, 2017, at 2:52:52
Hi alexandra, thanks for your post.
its a socially inclusive supermarket.
Posted by alexandra_k on October 3, 2017, at 17:48:16
In reply to Re: I am not used to the slightest bit of endeavor, posted by Lamdage22 on October 3, 2017, at 2:55:06
> Hi alexandra, thanks for your post.
> its a socially inclusive supermarket.
I see. Do you mean 'socially inclusive' in the sense that it is staffed by volunteers instead of paid employees?
Or... Something else...
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 5, 2017, at 14:19:26
In reply to Re: I am not used to the slightest bit of endeavor, posted by alexandra_k on October 3, 2017, at 17:48:16
> I see. Do you mean 'socially inclusive' in the sense that it is staffed by volunteers instead of paid employees?
>
> Or... Something else...I mean that they give almost everyone a shot no matter their (psychiatric) history. They give people a shot that wouldnt have one in other supermarkets. Some are volunteers, some get paid.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 5, 2017, at 14:24:57
In reply to Re: I am not used to the slightest bit of endeavor, posted by Lamdage22 on October 5, 2017, at 14:19:26
Most volunteers are new to the place.
Posted by alexandra_k on October 6, 2017, at 1:50:30
In reply to Re: I am not used to the slightest bit of endeavor, posted by Lamdage22 on October 5, 2017, at 14:19:26
> I mean that they give almost everyone a shot no matter their (psychiatric) history. They give people a shot that wouldnt have one in other supermarkets. Some are volunteers, some get paid.
Right. So after working there for a bit, you would hope to get paid for your efforts in recognition that you are doing a good job :)
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 6, 2017, at 4:23:43
In reply to Re: I am not used to the slightest bit of endeavor, posted by alexandra_k on October 6, 2017, at 1:50:30
Hi alexandra,
yes that is the plan :)
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