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PC

Posted by Dinah on November 1, 2013, at 16:16:12

In reply to Re: Scott Dinah, posted by Partlycloudy on November 1, 2013, at 15:53:07

What would you tell her about it? Would you show her posts or tell her about it?

PC, I like you and value your input. I'd like you to stay on Babble. I see you hurting and I hate to see that.

I don't know how to say this appropriately, without seeming to bring up prior matters that have already been reconciled. My intention is not to beat you up with something from the past, but an effort to help you maybe bring my words to your therapist and see if they have any resonance.

Sometimes we have patterns that play out over and over again. I know I do. I've experienced this pattern with you in your interactions with me in the past. I'll say something I never intended as a hurt or slight, and the reaction surprises me and confuses me, and yes, angers me to some extent. Instead of asking me if I meant what you thought I meant, which would often have settled the matter right there and then, and giving me a chance to explain, there would be a sudden explosion of anger of a magnitude I just couldn't understand. I would suddenly feel like we were enemies when I had never declared an intention to fight. I didn't understand what happened. It didn't make me dislike you or overlook your valuable contribution to Babble. But it did make me feel wary of interactions with you.

I kind of see that playing out here. I don't think Scott originally had any ill feelings. I'm reasonably sure he now does. The whole dance is playing out again to my dismay and distress.

I expect you to be angry at my saying this and possibly feel that I am siding against you or don't like you. Please understand that it is only said in concern for you. Is this something that you only see in Babble or do you have friends who suddenly turn on you in real life?

I'd like you to be able to feel safe on Babble. I offer this only as an observation to try to help.

 

Re: Scott Dinah

Posted by SLS on November 1, 2013, at 16:43:22

In reply to Scott, posted by Dinah on November 1, 2013, at 15:32:30

> I'm frequently impressed with your peacemaking skills. Do you think the new atmosphere on Babble influences how you respond to these situations?

That's a good question. I really don't detect a change in the atmosphere. Perhaps I am not in tune with Psycho-Babble right now.

> I think it does with me. Do you think you react more when you feel less confidence that Dr. Bob will handle things?

I'm not sure. I guess I have the potential to be less civil in his absence when my passions run high.

> There are times when I think "Well, heck. If this is the Wild Wild West, then I'm going to pull out my six shooter because I have to protect myself." Then Dr. Bob will randomly show up and confuse me.

LOL I usually try to remember the lessons in civil discourse that were once taught here. I know that some of my words were uncivil, and I apologized to PC for having posted them.

> I don't think you need to feel defensive. You have many years invested on Babble and your body of contributions speak for you. No one else *can* speak for you as well as you speak for yourself by who you are and what you do.

Thanks.


- Scott

 

Re: PC

Posted by Partlycloudy on November 1, 2013, at 16:52:13

In reply to PC, posted by Dinah on November 1, 2013, at 16:16:12

Dinah, I hear you and thank you for your observation of my reaction.

It is called PTSD. It is my main diagnosis. It is triggered by being slighted, and made that feeling - I myself - has happened, there is no looking back. No chance of it not escalating. If anything, my triggers are far worse than they were when I joined babble, because I have experienced more traumatizing events since then.

Avoidance, not exposure, is what is best for me.
I am pretty sure I won't return to babble again.

Understand that the feelings are genuine. I really am suffering, regardless in what spirit the exchange took place. I am better off wrapped up in my afghan. And medicated.

Thanks for all your help. You have really worked with me on this. I don't find much, if any, understanding about PTSD, where abuse and neglect have been the major components. They kind of perpetuate. There isn't any talking out of of it, only turning away. I have lashed out, because I wasn't able to as a child.

But thanks, again.

 

Re: PC

Posted by Dinah on November 1, 2013, at 17:00:08

In reply to Re: PC, posted by Partlycloudy on November 1, 2013, at 16:52:13

PC, don't give up entirely. Take a break if need be.

There was a time when you might not have seen my words in the spirit they were intended. You gave me the benefit of the doubt, and I really appreciate that. It makes me glad that I cared enough for you to take the chance of saying it.

We're all works in progress. When Babble is a good place for you to be, hopefully Babble will be here for you. And I'll try to remember that your trigger is feeling slighted, and recognize that I might have accidentally caused that feeling.

Thank you for this post. It means a lot to me.

 

Re: PC/SLS back and forth

Posted by rockerchick46 on November 2, 2013, at 20:54:25

In reply to Re: PC, posted by Dinah on November 1, 2013, at 17:00:08

Hi
I just today returned to this board after 5 years away and have read most of the PC/SLS recent posts.

I'm no doc but I have known SLS since 2002. I have had one psych related disagreement with him during which he was trying to tell me something was going on with me and I did not want to hear it.

I should have listened. I almost died.
I have read this and enough. PC I think something is up with you. SLS has picked up on it.
It was there BEFORE you took offense at his words.

Please see someone or listen to the people on this board telling you please not to go.

I don't know anything about PTSD other than a layman would but please use your support system and that includes this board and don't isolate.

Have some Haagen Dazs to go with those meds and that afghan.
Tam

 

Re: PC/SLS back and forth rockerchick46

Posted by Partlycloudy on November 3, 2013, at 15:11:22

In reply to Re: PC/SLS back and forth, posted by rockerchick46 on November 2, 2013, at 20:54:25

Thanks. I am more of a fruit ice/Popsicle girl, but I appreciate the post. I recognize a downward spiral when I am having one. It's not good for those around me. What helps is meditating more, getting outside more, and not using the boards as much for support. That's why I have been going to an IRL group. I do feel safe there.
And yesterday I was out all day. I can't remember the last time I did that.

I am just being careful.
PC

 

Re: PC/SLS back and forth

Posted by rockerchick46 on November 3, 2013, at 15:52:27

In reply to Re: PC/SLS back and forth rockerchick46, posted by Partlycloudy on November 3, 2013, at 15:11:22

> Thanks. I am more of a fruit ice/Popsicle girl, but I appreciate the post.

Fruit ices are good too!

I recognize a downward spiral when I am having one.

Good. With my particular illness sometimes it gets out of hand before I do.

It's not good for those around me. What helps is meditating more, getting outside more, and not using the boards as much for support. That's why I have been going to an IRL group.

What is "IRL" and what does it do for you?

I do feel safe there.


Cool
> And yesterday I was out all day. I can't remember the last time I did that.


Great!
>
> I am just being careful.

More power to you...


Tam
> PC

 

Re: PC/SLS back and forth rockerchick46

Posted by Partlycloudy on November 3, 2013, at 16:17:49

In reply to Re: PC/SLS back and forth, posted by rockerchick46 on November 3, 2013, at 15:52:27

> > Thanks. I am more of a fruit ice/Popsicle girl, but I appreciate the post.
>
> Fruit ices are good too!
>
> I recognize a downward spiral when I am having one.
>
> Good. With my particular illness sometimes it gets out of hand before I do.

With my illness it causes me to inflict pain on others before I am really aware I am doing so badly. My therapist wanted me to leave Babble altogether. I am still sitting on a rickety fence.
>
> It's not good for those around me. What helps is meditating more, getting outside more, and not using the boards as much for support. That's why I have been going to an IRL group.
>
> What is "IRL" and what does it do for you?
>

In Real Life.
When I say that I isolate, it's to the point of not leaving my home except for errands and appointments. I did find a women's support group that meets weekly, and they are very nurturing.

>
>
> I do feel safe there.
>
>
> Cool
> > And yesterday I was out all day. I can't remember the last time I did that.
>
>
> Great!
> >
> > I am just being careful.
>
> More power to you...
>
>
> Tam
> > PC
>
>

Thanks, Tam. I am trying, really.

 

Re: PC/SLS back and forth Partlycloudy

Posted by rockerchick46 on November 3, 2013, at 17:58:40

In reply to Re: PC/SLS back and forth rockerchick46, posted by Partlycloudy on November 3, 2013, at 16:17:49

With my illness it causes me to inflict pain on others before I am really aware I am doing so badly. My therapist wanted me to leave Babble altogether. I am still sitting on a rickety fence

HMM. I along with others here wish you would not leave. I know SLS is happy we seem to be getting along. I think this is a supportive group of people who becaue we all have issues does not hold grudges.

Why (Unless it is too personal) did your T want you to leave Babble?

I think you could look at levels of suppoort in your life. Pdoc however often you see him/her. IRL group weekly Babble daily to blog, vent or get info and it does not have to be daily but could fill in the cracks that IRL group does not cover.

Up to you...

Tam

And just as a PS I am having my own Afghan/in my case leftover Halloween candy night tonight. Grr I felt really good yesterday and today by 5 pm could not handle a short grocery trip and left the empty cart sitting in the store.
:-(

 

Re: PC/SLS back and forth

Posted by baseball55 on November 3, 2013, at 19:04:59

In reply to Re: PC/SLS back and forth rockerchick46, posted by Partlycloudy on November 3, 2013, at 15:11:22

Cool you're getting out. I developed, very suddenly, severe arthritis in my hip. Saw an orthopedist and he said -- you need a new hip. Had a replacement this summer and only recently have been able to go for walks again -- just really the last three weeks. I went for long 4-5 mile walks several times now, alone, with a friend, with my husband. Feels great. The cool air, the foliage.

Going to more 12-step meetings, calling people.

I still check babble every night. Don't know why. Just find the conversations helpful and supportive.

> Thanks. I am more of a fruit ice/Popsicle girl, but I appreciate the post. I recognize a downward spiral when I am having one. It's not good for those around me. What helps is meditating more, getting outside more, and not using the boards as much for support. That's why I have been going to an IRL group. I do feel safe there.
> And yesterday I was out all day. I can't remember the last time I did that.
>
> I am just being careful.
> PC

 

Re: PC

Posted by alexandra_k on November 3, 2013, at 19:08:48

In reply to Re: PC/SLS back and forth rockerchick46, posted by Partlycloudy on November 3, 2013, at 15:11:22

> Thanks. I am more of a fruit ice/Popsicle girl, but I appreciate the post. I recognize a downward spiral when I am having one. It's not good for those around me. What helps is meditating more, getting outside more, and not using the boards as much for support. That's why I have been going to an IRL group. I do feel safe there.
> And yesterday I was out all day. I can't remember the last time I did that.

> I am just being careful.

Glad to hear that you are looking out for yourself, and being careful. I am trying to do the same.

7 more sleeps.

Trying to get into respite, presently. I said I'd happily take a seclusion cell. I think they would rather discuss my chemical straight jacket options with me tomorrow for over the next week.

One day at a time.

I'm out for the day today, too. I'm going to go for a walk along the harbour, which I haven't done. They are trying to revitalize it for residential / high tech marine industrial from dirty industry.

I'm pretty sure we have had run ins before. I think... The other times make our friendship worthwhile, though, yes? Or at least... They do for me.

Sending warm and gentle vibes your way. (((PC)))
(if you like hugs)


 

Re: PC alexandra_k

Posted by Partlycloudy on November 3, 2013, at 20:06:12

In reply to Re: PC, posted by alexandra_k on November 3, 2013, at 19:08:48

Holy moly, you made me cry.
Thanks, Alexandra. It meant a lot to me. Yes, we had run ins, or rather I think you stood still and I would run us both over. Two for the price of one? No, it was two for the price of two.

I am sorry for being such a triggery sh*th**d.
PC

 

Re: PC Partlycloudy

Posted by SLS on November 3, 2013, at 20:45:37

In reply to Re: PC alexandra_k, posted by Partlycloudy on November 3, 2013, at 20:06:12

Dear PC,

I don't know whether or not your sentiments towards me have changed, but I would prefer that we treat each other with more kindness and less distrust.

Just in case it is really an issue with you, I would like to again emphasize that no matter how you view yourself, your intelligence and sophistication become obvious very quickly. If I really didn't feel this way, I would not have written this paragraph. I doubt that you would value obvious platitudes.

I never wanted to see you leave Psycho-Babble. Your presence here is valuable, regardless of whether you are partlycloudy or clearskies. I would love to see you be the latter.


- Scott

 

Re: PC/SLS back and forth baseball55

Posted by Partlycloudy on November 3, 2013, at 20:53:08

In reply to Re: PC/SLS back and forth, posted by baseball55 on November 3, 2013, at 19:04:59

> Cool you're getting out. I developed, very suddenly, severe arthritis in my hip. Saw an orthopedist and he said -- you need a new hip. Had a replacement this summer and only recently have been able to go for walks again -- just really the last three weeks. I went for long 4-5 mile walks several times now, alone, with a friend, with my husband. Feels great. The cool air, the foliage.
>
> Going to more 12-step meetings, calling people.
>
> I still check babble every night. Don't know why. Just find the conversations helpful and supportive.
>
> > Thanks. I am more of a fruit ice/Popsicle girl, but I appreciate the post. I recognize a downward spiral when I am having one. It's not good for those around me. What helps is meditating more, getting outside more, and not using the boards as much for support. That's why I have been going to an IRL group. I do feel safe there.
> > And yesterday I was out all day. I can't remember the last time I did that.
> >
> > I am just being careful.
> > PC
>
>

I go to my support meetings Sunday evenings. It's the kind of place where, if you ask whether anyone there has ever been told grow thicker skin, all hands go up.
If you ask whether any of us have suffered from social anxiety, all hands go up.
If you ask whether any of us have been called cry baby, all hands go up.

Kind of incredible. A room full of PC's. And what is more interesting is what brings us together. Intuitive gifts. It can get a bit shamanic, or old fashioned religious, but we each have gifts of intuition.

What I have learned is that the more I trust mine, the more likely I am to have made the right decision. My heart rules over my head, or I lose.

Maybe that is why I get into such voracious pits here. I am using my head and not my heart?

PC

 

Re: PC SLS

Posted by Partlycloudy on November 3, 2013, at 21:25:09

In reply to Re: PC Partlycloudy, posted by SLS on November 3, 2013, at 20:45:37

Thank you, Scott. I will try to read first and post later.
PC

 

Re: PC Partlycloudy

Posted by SLS on November 3, 2013, at 21:40:40

In reply to Re: PC SLS, posted by Partlycloudy on November 3, 2013, at 21:25:09

> Thank you, Scott. I will try to read first and post later.

Me, too.

http://www.positivehumandevelopment.com/developmental-ptsd.html

This applies to me. Prazosin is a drug that is known to be effective in treating PTSD and other manifestations of childhood maltreatment and neglect. I take 25 mg/day in 3 divided doses. It really helped with my depression.

Sleep well.

- Scott

 

SLS

Posted by Moishe Pipik on November 4, 2013, at 15:20:33

In reply to PC, posted by SLS on November 1, 2013, at 14:55:31

Just to put my two cents in, I'd like to say that Scott is my favorite Babbler.............to ignore.

And, PC, that is my recommendation to you.

 

Re: SLS Moishe Pipik

Posted by Partlycloudy on November 4, 2013, at 18:27:33

In reply to SLS, posted by Moishe Pipik on November 4, 2013, at 15:20:33

Could you elaborate or shall I check the archives?

PC

 

Re: SLS Moishe Pipik

Posted by 10derheart on November 4, 2013, at 18:48:37

In reply to SLS, posted by Moishe Pipik on November 4, 2013, at 15:20:33

Hmm...I don't feel I received any support or education from that post. Educating the community to ignore a specific poster, are you?

That shouldn't qualify and does not in my book. Not to mention the put down inherent in it.

The timing of this seems unusual. Are you pot-stirring for some reason?

Puzzling.

I hope SLS and PC keep talking.

 

Re: SLS 10derheart

Posted by Partlycloudy on November 4, 2013, at 19:00:08

In reply to Re: SLS Moishe Pipik, posted by 10derheart on November 4, 2013, at 18:48:37

I don't think I know Moishe.
Do I?
I rather prefer to keep things one on one conversation wise unless I missed something, um, BIG.
Thank you, 10der. And sorry for being the wild card, yet again.
PC

 

Re: SLS

Posted by baseball55 on November 4, 2013, at 19:17:18

In reply to SLS, posted by Moishe Pipik on November 4, 2013, at 15:20:33

> Just to put my two cents in, I'd like to say that Scott is my favorite Babbler.............to ignore.
>
> And, PC, that is my recommendation to you.

Hostile. Cruel. Insulting. Stirring up conflict.
Does anyone moderate this forum anymore?

 

Re: SLS baseball55

Posted by Partlycloudy on November 4, 2013, at 19:31:26

In reply to Re: SLS, posted by baseball55 on November 4, 2013, at 19:17:18

It really has. The feeling of the wild, wild, unmoderated west.
I don't know what to make of this, unless people have been taking the same meds I have. (Need some, er, tweaking.)

 

Re: SLS 10derheart

Posted by SLS on November 4, 2013, at 21:28:23

In reply to Re: SLS Moishe Pipik, posted by 10derheart on November 4, 2013, at 18:48:37

Thanks, 10derHeart.

> The timing of this seems unusual. Are you pot-stirring for some reason?
>
> Puzzling.

The drama had already been resolved.

> I hope SLS and PC keep talking.

I feel better when I am not in conflict with PC. Perhaps some people feel better when they are in conflict with me.


- Scott

 

Re: SLS baseball55

Posted by SLS on November 4, 2013, at 21:37:37

In reply to Re: SLS, posted by baseball55 on November 4, 2013, at 19:17:18

> > Just to put my two cents in, I'd like to say that Scott is my favorite Babbler.............to ignore.
> >
> > And, PC, that is my recommendation to you.

> Hostile. Cruel. Insulting. Stirring up conflict.

Thank you for your presence in this contentious thread.

I appreciate your words. I am not always likeable.


- Scott

 

Re: SLS Partlycloudy

Posted by SLS on November 4, 2013, at 21:45:42

In reply to Re: SLS baseball55, posted by Partlycloudy on November 4, 2013, at 19:31:26

> It really has. The feeling of the wild, wild, unmoderated west.
> I don't know what to make of this, unless people have been taking the same meds I have. (Need some, er, tweaking.)

I have not been injured too badly. Nevertheless, I appreciate your taking the time to scrutinize words.

I believe Dr. Bob mentioned that he was monitoring the other boards more closely than Administration. I think it is a matter of insufficient time.


- Scott


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