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Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » Phillipa

Posted by sleepygirl2 on February 14, 2012, at 11:03:19

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » sleepygirl2, posted by Phillipa on February 13, 2012, at 22:39:20

It sucks, and I hate my field on top of it.
Fighting to find a job you'll hate, that sucks. I'm looking elsewhere.

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing )SG

Posted by Beckett on February 14, 2012, at 11:09:59

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing )SG » sigismund, posted by sleepygirl2 on February 14, 2012, at 10:57:18

In Buddhism, isn't there something called intent? It's different than hope. The intent to change somehow however subtle the external (and internal) circumstance. It is difficult, I think because it is involved with working with present conditions. Which often suck. And I don't think it works like I'm setting my intent to get that white Lexus with the sun roof and gold rims. I think intent is more a crap shoot. Meaning contentment might come in an unexpected form.

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing )SG

Posted by Beckett on February 14, 2012, at 11:11:35

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing )SG, posted by Beckett on February 14, 2012, at 11:09:59

I'm not sure. I might have made that up....

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing )SG » Beckett

Posted by sleepygirl2 on February 14, 2012, at 17:54:51

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing )SG, posted by Beckett on February 14, 2012, at 11:11:35

If you made it up or not, it still sounds good.
:-)

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » sleepygirl2

Posted by torrid2 on February 18, 2012, at 11:10:58

In reply to Hope is a dangerous thing, posted by sleepygirl2 on February 13, 2012, at 17:54:48

I think nechi said something like hope only extends mans suffering but that is a very depressed sentiment. That is a kind of masocistic kind of hope. you don't have to use hope as a way to hurt more, it can be a decision not to add to your own surrering

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » torrid2

Posted by sleepygirl2 on February 18, 2012, at 13:19:24

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » sleepygirl2, posted by torrid2 on February 18, 2012, at 11:10:58

I feel like I have episodes of hope, that end up crashing against the rocks.
A decision not to add to suffering?
I'm trying to understand that.

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » sleepygirl2

Posted by torrid2 on February 18, 2012, at 14:31:45

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » torrid2, posted by sleepygirl2 on February 18, 2012, at 13:19:24

It's a quote from Nechi that I relate too

Hope hurts when life ends up a string of material, emotional and phyisical losses. It's that hope comes so easy for me. No matter what life brings it seems it all ends up in losses as I look behind me. My life has so much evidence of failure, that If I only saw failure in myself, it would be hard to argue this point with the facts and figures from what I see over my shoulder. I'm 48, even if I turn mylife around now, with life 2/3's gone by, I'd have to win a karmic lottery to finish life as a success.

I've choisen not to see myself as a failure regaurdless of my losses. I have more hope now then ever and I feel less in common with hope doing nothing but extending my surrering.

It's what my theripist has shown me in his RET therapy. I no longer weighed down by every failure in my life adding up to me becoming even more worthlees apon my next failure.

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » torrid2

Posted by sigismund on February 18, 2012, at 16:11:24

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » sleepygirl2, posted by torrid2 on February 18, 2012, at 14:31:45

I have not heard of Nechi.

You feel like saying anything about him?

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » sigismund

Posted by torrid2 on February 18, 2012, at 17:47:48

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » torrid2, posted by sigismund on February 18, 2012, at 16:11:24

I'm not as literate as many people only due to time on the planet have I heard of him, he's a phillosifer who is studied in university like plato, aristatal but maybe he's more current like dofoietski wrote the bothers karmotsoff. from that quote I relate too maybe he's like the one who wrote the gulog acepelligo, Damb it I can't spell anything on this subjrct.

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » torrid2

Posted by sigismund on February 18, 2012, at 19:22:46

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » sigismund, posted by torrid2 on February 18, 2012, at 17:47:48

Perhaps this chap?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Nechayev

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing

Posted by sigismund on February 18, 2012, at 19:28:13

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » torrid2, posted by sigismund on February 18, 2012, at 19:22:46

He was full of hope though. You do all this so you can create the workers paradise some time in the future.

>A revolutionary "must infiltrate all social formations including the police. He must exploit rich and influential people, subordinating them to himself. He must aggravate the >miseries of the common people, so as to exhaust their patience and incite them to rebel. And, finally, he must ally himself with the savage word of the violent criminal, the >only true revolutionary in Russia".[9]

And like most hope it is unfulfilled.

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing

Posted by Beckett on February 18, 2012, at 19:40:17

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » sigismund, posted by torrid2 on February 18, 2012, at 17:47:48

Hope is the worst of evils, for it prolongs the torment of man.
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
 

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » Beckett

Posted by torrid2 on February 18, 2012, at 19:51:17

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing, posted by Beckett on February 18, 2012, at 19:40:17

thats the quote that I relate too so strongly

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing

Posted by Beckett on February 18, 2012, at 19:55:23

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing, posted by Beckett on February 18, 2012, at 19:40:17

Oh. My apologies for being so terse. I am not endorsing the no hope thing. I'm just not feeling super and sleep deprived on top.

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » torrid2

Posted by Beckett on February 18, 2012, at 20:01:02

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » Beckett, posted by torrid2 on February 18, 2012, at 19:51:17

But how true, or should I say how does one interpret that? When is it true?

Sometimes hope is like an endorsement or an agreement to allow something better or different to take place. An agreement that yes this really is abysmal and we are now working with (non-secular if you will) positive faith...?

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing

Posted by Beckett on February 18, 2012, at 20:14:12

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » torrid2, posted by Beckett on February 18, 2012, at 20:01:02

I meant secular for me. See? I am tired.

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing

Posted by sigismund on February 18, 2012, at 20:15:08

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » Beckett, posted by torrid2 on February 18, 2012, at 19:51:17

EM Cioran always makes me laugh, so I went looking for quotes from him about hope. I found

>We would not be interested in human beings if we did not have the hope of someday meeting someone worse off than ourselves.


>Everything is pathology, except for indifference.

I must get hold of 'Thinking against the Self" again. It was one of the most exhilarating essays I have read. I didn't know what to make of it.

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing

Posted by sigismund on February 18, 2012, at 20:19:02

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing, posted by sigismund on February 18, 2012, at 20:15:08

From wiki........

Pessimism characterizes all of his works, which many critics trace back to events of his childhood (in 1935 his mother is reputed to have told him that if she had known he was going to be so unhappy she would have aborted him). However, Cioran's pessimism (in fact, his skepticism, even nihilism) remains both inexhaustible and, in its own particular manner, joyful; it is not the sort of pessimism which can be traced back to simple origins, single origins themselves being questionable. When Cioran's mother spoke to him of abortion, he confessed that it did not disturb him, but made an extraordinary impression which led to an insight about the nature of existence ("I'm simply an accident. Why take it all so seriously?" is what he later said in reference to the incident)[cite this quote].

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » sigismund

Posted by Beckett on February 18, 2012, at 20:23:25

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing, posted by sigismund on February 18, 2012, at 20:19:02

Where is he from? Joyful pessimism is interesting. It's all up from there.

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing

Posted by Beckett on February 18, 2012, at 20:35:48

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » sigismund, posted by Beckett on February 18, 2012, at 20:23:25

I looked him up. Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Cioran

The NYT obit said his work was born of seven years of insomnia. Ouch. http://www.nytimes.com/1995/06/22/obituaries/e-m-cioran-84-novelist-and-philosopher-of-despair.html

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » Beckett

Posted by sigismund on February 18, 2012, at 20:59:11

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing, posted by Beckett on February 18, 2012, at 20:35:48

He's a humourist.....

>However much I have frequented the mystics, deep down I have always sided with the Devil; unable to equal him in power, I have tried to be worthy of him, at least, in >insolence, acrimony, arbitrariness and caprice."

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » Beckett

Posted by Phillipa on February 18, 2012, at 21:01:05

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing, posted by Beckett on February 18, 2012, at 20:35:48

Hijack my friend was on latunda has insomnia so being switched to another. And horrible sinus problems from it. No sapris mentioned.Phillipa

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » Beckett

Posted by torrid2 on February 18, 2012, at 21:15:43

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing, posted by Beckett on February 18, 2012, at 19:55:23

endorsing no hope is a worthy statagy, hope will lead to pain. I'm to restless to give up hope.

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » torrid2

Posted by Beckett on February 18, 2012, at 21:22:31

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » Beckett, posted by torrid2 on February 18, 2012, at 21:15:43

I might be getting ready to give up some hope. If I do, I'll let you know how it goes.

 

Re: Hope is a dangerous thing

Posted by sigismund on February 18, 2012, at 23:17:16

In reply to Re: Hope is a dangerous thing » torrid2, posted by Beckett on February 18, 2012, at 21:22:31

You have no hope of giving up hope :)


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