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Borderline continued.....Pamela Lynn

Posted by kiddo on November 14, 2001, at 21:54:35

Hiya-

I hope it's ok, but I started a new thread anyway. The other one was getting kind of long and off topic. I know what you mean about 'group settings', when I was hospitalized I rarely went. I mean what could they do, sue me or something? It's safe to assume I'm a 'difficult' patient, to say the least.

Every book I've read about it says that BPD'ers are the most difficult, least favorite to treat. I'm so glad to hear that you are doing well in therapy and have a good therapist and pdoc.

Don't worry about mentioning the Effexor, you weren't asking questions, not the main topic, that kind of thing. You were just letting us know where you stand, how you got there, and what works for you. I've never tried it, can you tell me how long you've been on it, side effects (if any)?

Can you tell me about your workbook-not specifics, but how it works, an 'actual' workbook, or one you set up based on the session, etc.? I think this is a could be a great idea, if I knew more about it. I journal ALOT, but it sounds different. I take it your homework is done in the workbook, what kind of assignments do you have-again, you don't have to go into specifics, just a guideline. I'd like to talk to my pdoc/therapist about it and see what he thinks.

Sorry to ask so many questions, but I'm interested :-)
It sounds like you've progressed well with it, and hope it would work for me and perhaps others as well.

You're welcome-you'll find it's very supportive here. And we're glad you stopped in :-)

Kiddo

> Well...I am in therapy for it...because I don't like 'group settings' I had to get a therapist that would take me one on one. Now, if ya know about BPD you know that ALOT of therapists don't want to take on a 'Borderline', because of the intensity that taking one on can bring into their sessions, etc. My Psychiatrist actually referred me to my therapist, a very competent and caring man who deals especially with BPD...Again, I was very fortunate to find someone in the field that truly knows what he is doing, and cares about it. My therapy consists of 'cognitive thinking behavior therapy'...It has been VERY, VERY rough at times (as is all therapy, I know), but since I have gone on the Effexor along with my other meds. I seem to be more able to 'deal' with the therapy and my homework associated with it. I use a workbook and try to apply the techniques for 'dealing' that I have learned from my therapist. I also am a Bi-Polar gal...rapid cycler, the Effexor, too, has helped with my rapid cycling, by the way.
>
> I'm sorry, I am new to this site and probably should not have mentioned the Effexor here...but I didn't get to indept on it, so I thought it would be ok to leave it in...
>
> I want to thank you Kiddo for your concern, that is so nice to hear! If there are other BPD'ers out there, yes, maybe we should start a new thread.
>
> Thank you again for your kind and caring words.
>
> P.L.
> > > Have you ever heard of "Borderline Personality Disorder"? I have this disorder and 'self mutilation/head banging' is a very prominent diagnoses of it.................
> > >
> > > P.L.
> >
> > Yes, I've been diagnosed with it as well as others on the board, I'm sure. How can we help? Maybe we should start a new thread?
> >
> > Kiddo

 

Re: Borderline continued.....Pamela Lynn » kiddo

Posted by Pamela Lynn on November 15, 2001, at 10:55:41

In reply to Borderline continued.....Pamela Lynn, posted by kiddo on November 14, 2001, at 21:54:35

Thank you Kiddo for starting a new thread.

YES, YES, YES...people with BPD ARE (supposedly, LOL) the hardest patients to teach. The reason for this is because we are VERY moody in general and take things very personally alot of the time. A GREAT read for family/friends of BPD'ers is "Walking on Eggshells", don't remember the authors name, but you can find it easily enough on Amazon, etc. BPD is NOT 'depression' so-to-speak...it can 'stem' from depression, but it is not a disease like depression, like Bi-polar. You will find that alot of people that were extra sensitive as children, and/or abused in one way or another as children turn out to be BPD'ers.

As for my booklet...I have two. They are both by the foremost leading expert on the disorder: Marsha M. Linehan. I do the workbook (called "Skills Training Manual") in therapy, and take it home and do what my Psychologist tells me to do in it for the weeks homework. (The other book I have is "Cognitive-Behavioral Treatment of Borderline Personality Disorder", I use this one too in therapy.)

As for the Effexor I have been on it for almost 7 mos. I just recently had my dose upped to 3 capsules daily (I am not on the XR Effexor). My total daily dose is 225mg. One cap. in the AM, the other 2 in the PM. The ONLY (thank goodness) 'side effects' that I have had (and only since it's been upped) is that I have an even harder time going to bed at night then usual! I have tried Ambien (does not work for me), and now I am taking a dose of Temazepam with the Effexor at night to get to sleep. I suffer from insomnia to begin with! I am VERY happy with the Effexor and got to get off of my old mood stabilizer because it has been working so well for me!!

I hope you can bring this to your Doctor and he/she will work with you. ALOT of Doctors/Therapists prefer you go to group for the behavior training...So good luck.

You can ask me anything you want about my having BPD, or being diagnosed with Bi-Polar and my depression.

Hope this helped somewhat.

P.L.
Hiya-
>
> I hope it's ok, but I started a new thread anyway. The other one was getting kind of long and off topic. I know what you mean about 'group settings', when I was hospitalized I rarely went. I mean what could they do, sue me or something? It's safe to assume I'm a 'difficult' patient, to say the least.
>
> Every book I've read about it says that BPD'ers are the most difficult, least favorite to treat. I'm so glad to hear that you are doing well in therapy and have a good therapist and pdoc.
>
> Don't worry about mentioning the Effexor, you weren't asking questions, not the main topic, that kind of thing. You were just letting us know where you stand, how you got there, and what works for you. I've never tried it, can you tell me how long you've been on it, side effects (if any)?
>
> Can you tell me about your workbook-not specifics, but how it works, an 'actual' workbook, or one you set up based on the session, etc.? I think this is a could be a great idea, if I knew more about it. I journal ALOT, but it sounds different. I take it your homework is done in the workbook, what kind of assignments do you have-again, you don't have to go into specifics, just a guideline. I'd like to talk to my pdoc/therapist about it and see what he thinks.
>
> Sorry to ask so many questions, but I'm interested :-)
> It sounds like you've progressed well with it, and hope it would work for me and perhaps others as well.
>
> You're welcome-you'll find it's very supportive here. And we're glad you stopped in :-)
>
> Kiddo
>
> > Well...I am in therapy for it...because I don't like 'group settings' I had to get a therapist that would take me one on one. Now, if ya know about BPD you know that ALOT of therapists don't want to take on a 'Borderline', because of the intensity that taking one on can bring into their sessions, etc. My Psychiatrist actually referred me to my therapist, a very competent and caring man who deals especially with BPD...Again, I was very fortunate to find someone in the field that truly knows what he is doing, and cares about it. My therapy consists of 'cognitive thinking behavior therapy'...It has been VERY, VERY rough at times (as is all therapy, I know), but since I have gone on the Effexor along with my other meds. I seem to be more able to 'deal' with the therapy and my homework associated with it. I use a workbook and try to apply the techniques for 'dealing' that I have learned from my therapist. I also am a Bi-Polar gal...rapid cycler, the Effexor, too, has helped with my rapid cycling, by the way.
> >
> > I'm sorry, I am new to this site and probably should not have mentioned the Effexor here...but I didn't get to indept on it, so I thought it would be ok to leave it in...
> >
> > I want to thank you Kiddo for your concern, that is so nice to hear! If there are other BPD'ers out there, yes, maybe we should start a new thread.
> >
> > Thank you again for your kind and caring words.
> >
> > P.L.
> > > > Have you ever heard of "Borderline Personality Disorder"? I have this disorder and 'self mutilation/head banging' is a very prominent diagnoses of it.................
> > > >
> > > > P.L.
> > >
> > > Yes, I've been diagnosed with it as well as others on the board, I'm sure. How can we help? Maybe we should start a new thread?
> > >
> > > Kiddo

 

Re: Borderline continued.....Pamela Lynn » Pamela Lynn

Posted by kiddo on November 15, 2001, at 11:37:27

In reply to Re: Borderline continued.....Pamela Lynn » kiddo, posted by Pamela Lynn on November 15, 2001, at 10:55:41

You are quite welcome :-)

I've also read I Hate You-Don't Leave Me, I can't remember the author either :-) (BPDers have enough to deal with IMHO)

Yes, I will print this out for my pdoc-and he won't recommend group therapy-he learned that lesson the hard way..hehe. I was VERY upset about that one, and told him I'd leave-it wasn't an option to be discussed. He also knows me well enough to know that I'd do it too.

My problem with it is I don't know how confidential it is. I know what they say, and how 'whatever is discussed is supposed to remain in the group', but they don't have control over what people say and do when they actually leave-how would you know? Call me paranoid, but as I've always heard.."Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you." I have all kinds of hick sayings, probably one for every occasion (sp?-tried it three ways, none look right, too busy/lazy to look it up on Webster's site.)

I will DEFINITELY print this thread-deleting my nickname of course-and ask what he thinks. He's really receptive to my suggestions, and whatnot. You know that reminds me; he and I started something like that once, and for some reason, got side tracked on it. It was more journal based though. One was a healing journal, and the other a session journal-thanks for reminding me, I'll have to bring that up again, as well.

Hope to cya 'round sometim :-)

Kiddo

> Thank you Kiddo for starting a new thread.
>
> YES, YES, YES...people with BPD ARE (supposedly, LOL) the hardest patients to teach. The reason for this is because we are VERY moody in general and take things very personally alot of the time. A GREAT read for family/friends of BPD'ers is "Walking on Eggshells", don't remember the authors name, but you can find it easily enough on Amazon, etc. BPD is NOT 'depression' so-to-speak...it can 'stem' from depression, but it is not a disease like depression, like Bi-polar. You will find that alot of people that were extra sensitive as children, and/or abused in one way or another as children turn out to be BPD'ers.
>
> As for my booklet...I have two. They are both by the foremost leading expert on the disorder: Marsha M. Linehan. I do the workbook (called "Skills Training Manual") in therapy, and take it home and do what my Psychologist tells me to do in it for the weeks homework. (The other book I have is "Cognitive-Behavioral Treatment of Borderline Personality Disorder", I use this one too in therapy.)
>
> As for the Effexor I have been on it for almost 7 mos. I just recently had my dose upped to 3 capsules daily (I am not on the XR Effexor). My total daily dose is 225mg. One cap. in the AM, the other 2 in the PM. The ONLY (thank goodness) 'side effects' that I have had (and only since it's been upped) is that I have an even harder time going to bed at night then usual! I have tried Ambien (does not work for me), and now I am taking a dose of Temazepam with the Effexor at night to get to sleep. I suffer from insomnia to begin with! I am VERY happy with the Effexor and got to get off of my old mood stabilizer because it has been working so well for me!!
>
> I hope you can bring this to your Doctor and he/she will work with you. ALOT of Doctors/Therapists prefer you go to group for the behavior training...So good luck.
>
> You can ask me anything you want about my having BPD, or being diagnosed with Bi-Polar and my depression.
>
> Hope this helped somewhat.
>
> P.L.
> Hiya-
> >
> > I hope it's ok, but I started a new thread anyway. The other one was getting kind of long and off topic. I know what you mean about 'group settings', when I was hospitalized I rarely went. I mean what could they do, sue me or something? It's safe to assume I'm a 'difficult' patient, to say the least.
> >
> > Every book I've read about it says that BPD'ers are the most difficult, least favorite to treat. I'm so glad to hear that you are doing well in therapy and have a good therapist and pdoc.
> >
> > Don't worry about mentioning the Effexor, you weren't asking questions, not the main topic, that kind of thing. You were just letting us know where you stand, how you got there, and what works for you. I've never tried it, can you tell me how long you've been on it, side effects (if any)?
> >
> > Can you tell me about your workbook-not specifics, but how it works, an 'actual' workbook, or one you set up based on the session, etc.? I think this is a could be a great idea, if I knew more about it. I journal ALOT, but it sounds different. I take it your homework is done in the workbook, what kind of assignments do you have-again, you don't have to go into specifics, just a guideline. I'd like to talk to my pdoc/therapist about it and see what he thinks.
> >
> > Sorry to ask so many questions, but I'm interested :-)
> > It sounds like you've progressed well with it, and hope it would work for me and perhaps others as well.
> >
> > You're welcome-you'll find it's very supportive here. And we're glad you stopped in :-)
> >
> > Kiddo
> >
> > > Well...I am in therapy for it...because I don't like 'group settings' I had to get a therapist that would take me one on one. Now, if ya know about BPD you know that ALOT of therapists don't want to take on a 'Borderline', because of the intensity that taking one on can bring into their sessions, etc. My Psychiatrist actually referred me to my therapist, a very competent and caring man who deals especially with BPD...Again, I was very fortunate to find someone in the field that truly knows what he is doing, and cares about it. My therapy consists of 'cognitive thinking behavior therapy'...It has been VERY, VERY rough at times (as is all therapy, I know), but since I have gone on the Effexor along with my other meds. I seem to be more able to 'deal' with the therapy and my homework associated with it. I use a workbook and try to apply the techniques for 'dealing' that I have learned from my therapist. I also am a Bi-Polar gal...rapid cycler, the Effexor, too, has helped with my rapid cycling, by the way.
> > >
> > > I'm sorry, I am new to this site and probably should not have mentioned the Effexor here...but I didn't get to indept on it, so I thought it would be ok to leave it in...
> > >
> > > I want to thank you Kiddo for your concern, that is so nice to hear! If there are other BPD'ers out there, yes, maybe we should start a new thread.
> > >
> > > Thank you again for your kind and caring words.
> > >
> > > P.L.
> > > > > Have you ever heard of "Borderline Personality Disorder"? I have this disorder and 'self mutilation/head banging' is a very prominent diagnoses of it.................
> > > > >
> > > > > P.L.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I've been diagnosed with it as well as others on the board, I'm sure. How can we help? Maybe we should start a new thread?
> > > >
> > > > Kiddo

 

Re: Borderline continued » Pamela Lynn

Posted by Dinah on November 15, 2001, at 19:44:29

In reply to Re: Borderline continued.....Pamela Lynn » kiddo, posted by Pamela Lynn on November 15, 2001, at 10:55:41

I have the skills manual by Linehan as well and I am trying to use those parts of it that would be useful to me. I am currently working on experiencing. When you eat, eat; when you walk, walk, etc. I've just started. Are there any of the exercises you found particularly helpful?
I think it might be easier to do in a group or with a directive therapist. When reading the manual I feel like I'm learning a bit too much about how therapists feel about clients and how we are "managed". I'm getting that old mulish feeling I always get with cognitive behavior therapy. Just me, I guess. I seem to be bone deep opposed to being managed. I am trying to get past that feeling so that I can get what benefit is to be had from DBT.

 

Re: Borderline continued.....Pamela Lynn

Posted by Anna laura on November 17, 2001, at 0:49:21

In reply to Borderline continued.....Pamela Lynn, posted by kiddo on November 14, 2001, at 21:54:35

.
>
> Every book I've read about it says that BPD'ers are the most difficult, least favorite to treat.

Hope i'm not bothering you by joining the discussion here, but i read different things on BPD. Actually the prognosis is believed quite benign in the long run. i don't know wther this different diagnosis depends on European standards or not . I can remember clearly i read that doesn't have a chronic path like most of illnesses do and that it can change for good if a person manages to go through the worst period without killing herself/himself. The article i read said that BPD tends to fade away as time goes by as a person grow older: Statitistic say that the worst period is believed to be around the twenties: as a person reaches the thirties, usually improves and the sociopathic features,relationship/emotional troubles smooth and fade away with time.
I can't remember where i read this, if i find the site i'll send you a url.
>

 

Re: Borderline continued.....Pamela Lynn » Anna laura

Posted by Pamela Lynn on November 17, 2001, at 8:40:58

In reply to Re: Borderline continued.....Pamela Lynn, posted by Anna laura on November 17, 2001, at 0:49:21

I have NEVER read anything remotely near that and I did LOADS of research when I was diagnosed last year with BPD...btw, I am 30, and was just now diagnosed with it. BPD'ers have a high incidence of suicides.

You are correct that it can be 'overcome' (so to speak), but that is with the proper beviorial (sp?) treatment and believe you me, the therapy is tough and alot of work. I have been in therapy working on it for a year now....If it was that easy to treat I would be done with it by now. Most therapists won't even touch a BPD'er-they like you to be in group therapy for it. I am very fortunate to have a therapist that used to lead a group for BPD'ers!!

I do not consider myself an 'expert' on BPD; but I do suffer it and have done alot of research on it....It is a very tough disorder to treat, and people I know, in their mid 30's are suffering just as bad as when they were in their mid 20's.

Please do send that link if you find it.

P.L.

> .
> >
> > Every book I've read about it says that BPD'ers are the most difficult, least favorite to treat.
>
> Hope i'm not bothering you by joining the discussion here, but i read different things on BPD. Actually the prognosis is believed quite benign in the long run. i don't know wther this different diagnosis depends on European standards or not . I can remember clearly i read that doesn't have a chronic path like most of illnesses do and that it can change for good if a person manages to go through the worst period without killing herself/himself. The article i read said that BPD tends to fade away as time goes by as a person grow older: Statitistic say that the worst period is believed to be around the twenties: as a person reaches the thirties, usually improves and the sociopathic features,relationship/emotional troubles smooth and fade away with time.
> I can't remember where i read this, if i find the site i'll send you a url.
> >

 

Re: Borderline continued.....Pamela Lynn » Anna laura

Posted by kiddo on November 17, 2001, at 10:53:12

In reply to Re: Borderline continued.....Pamela Lynn, posted by Anna laura on November 17, 2001, at 0:49:21

Hi-

Please feel free to jump in-this is what it's all about :-) I haven't seen you before-please forgive me if you've been around, but nice to meet ya anyway.

Please do send the link if you can find it, I would love to reference it. Perhaps I'm still suffering because I wasn't Dx'd until I was 28. I know for me it hasn't eased any-I thought I was doing good for awhile, then something happened-I don't know what, and now I'm spiraling like a tornado. It gets rather tiring always fighting, and I'd love to hear something good about it and have hope that someday I'll be at least semi-normal.

Kiddo :-)


> Hope i'm not bothering you by joining the discussion here, but i read different things on BPD. Actually the prognosis is believed quite benign in the long run. i don't know wther this different diagnosis depends on European standards or not . I can remember clearly i read that doesn't have a chronic path like most of illnesses do and that it can change for good if a person manages to go through the worst period without killing herself/himself. The article i read said that BPD tends to fade away as time goes by as a person grow older: Statitistic say that the worst period is believed to be around the twenties: as a person reaches the thirties, usually improves and the sociopathic features,relationship/emotional troubles smooth and fade away with time.
> I can't remember where i read this, if i find the site i'll send you a url.
> >

 

Re: Borderline continued.....Pamela Lynn » Anna laura

Posted by NikkiT2 on November 19, 2001, at 12:36:06

In reply to Re: Borderline continued.....Pamela Lynn, posted by Anna laura on November 17, 2001, at 0:49:21

I have also read the same - I researched BPD alot when I got diagnosed, and am now involved in a BPD information group... (we're int he process of lancing our UK web site - Be sure I'll post alot more info when the time comes!)

The general concesus (int he UK at least ) is that most sufferers do manage to find some kind of peace later in life... generally around the 40 mark from what I've read, but I also know of alot of sufferers in their 40's who have not found any relief.

Nikki

> .
> >
> > Every book I've read about it says that BPD'ers are the most difficult, least favorite to treat.
>
> Hope i'm not bothering you by joining the discussion here, but i read different things on BPD. Actually the prognosis is believed quite benign in the long run. i don't know wther this different diagnosis depends on European standards or not . I can remember clearly i read that doesn't have a chronic path like most of illnesses do and that it can change for good if a person manages to go through the worst period without killing herself/himself. The article i read said that BPD tends to fade away as time goes by as a person grow older: Statitistic say that the worst period is believed to be around the twenties: as a person reaches the thirties, usually improves and the sociopathic features,relationship/emotional troubles smooth and fade away with time.
> I can't remember where i read this, if i find the site i'll send you a url.
> >

 

Re: Borderline continued.... » NikkiT2

Posted by Noa on November 28, 2001, at 18:07:55

In reply to Re: Borderline continued.....Pamela Lynn » Anna laura, posted by NikkiT2 on November 19, 2001, at 12:36:06

I would think that to some extent it would depend on whether the symptoms had a hormonal connection for that particular woman.

BTW, Nikki, I have been meaning to say "hi" to you. Didn't mean to be unfriendly. It is like being at a big party--you can be in the same room as someone you know and see them from across the room, but never manage to get over to say hello. Hope you are doing well (sorry for my ignorance, not having read your other recent posts).


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