Psycho-Babble Social Thread 11893

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suicidal pms

Posted by sar on September 29, 2001, at 2:48:47

i've always been too depressed and distracted to keep track of (sometimes irregular) cycle. but right now i'm boalted, cramping, and obsessed with thoughts of going to the 24-hr Home Depot to buy the silky kind of rope.

i thought i was doing okay until yesterday. i was lying exactly where i wanted to be, my new boy's bed, reading words from the Dali Lama, dressed to the 9's and ready to drink, yet all i wanted to do was lay there FOREVER and die, cut into my skin, cut cut cut, i've never been a cutter but this PMS shit is for real now, it's not just moody crying but suicidal sobbing and craving for slitted wrists, oh i feel so bad psoting this, but for the first time the idea of cutting my wrists doesn't bother me, and i'm pleased that i know how to do it up right, vertically and all, oh oh oh...

pms...

or mood?

cool slit i wanna be ashes i wanna be ashes in the ocean rather than growing up i've peter-pan syndrome i can't stand up i can't can't can't stand up alone i want to whisper and walk barefoot for a reason, do you find being an adult fulfilling? to me it seems full if suicidal challenges, alcoholism, workaholism, annoying kids, wrinkles, accounting i can't can't do it i can't

my gut hurts like nothing else, i think it's coming & that's why i'm all emotional and shit but how, how to gt through the next few days

'cos i think of silky white rope all day. isn't it pathetic? dramatic? why write abput it?


shite.

 

Re: suicidal pms

Posted by susan C on September 29, 2001, at 11:26:52

In reply to suicidal pms, posted by sar on September 29, 2001, at 2:48:47

I guess now is my turn to give, to give you some back. 'give backs' I am not sure what it is I can give back, cept maybe just some time for you to read this. I don't know if I have ever been dressed to the nines but all of the other things, oh, maybe not the silk rope, either, but the thoughts, the premenstural timeing, the depair, the hopeless. Can you find one thing to hold on to? Some how to have the time go by? If you are actively planning and thinking suicide it is time to ask for help. Call your doctor. I keep saying this. Maybe, because when I feel this way, I need someone to tell me this. Sometime I have to be dramatic to get attention I need.

Oh, and a hot pad, or hotwater bottle...on your tummy

A concerned mouse, peeking out from under the bed
susan C

> i've always been too depressed and distracted to keep track of (sometimes irregular) cycle. but right now i'm boalted, cramping, and obsessed with thoughts of going to the 24-hr Home Depot to buy the silky kind of rope.
>
> i thought i was doing okay until yesterday. i was lying exactly where i wanted to be, my new boy's bed, reading words from the Dali Lama, dressed to the 9's and ready to drink, yet all i wanted to do was lay there FOREVER and die, cut into my skin, cut cut cut, i've never been a cutter but this PMS shit is for real now, it's not just moody crying but suicidal sobbing and craving for slitted wrists, oh i feel so bad psoting this, but for the first time the idea of cutting my wrists doesn't bother me, and i'm pleased that i know how to do it up right, vertically and all, oh oh oh...
>
> pms...
>
> or mood?
>
> cool slit i wanna be ashes i wanna be ashes in the ocean rather than growing up i've peter-pan syndrome i can't stand up i can't can't can't stand up alone i want to whisper and walk barefoot for a reason, do you find being an adult fulfilling? to me it seems full if suicidal challenges, alcoholism, workaholism, annoying kids, wrinkles, accounting i can't can't do it i can't
>
> my gut hurts like nothing else, i think it's coming & that's why i'm all emotional and shit but how, how to gt through the next few days
>
> 'cos i think of silky white rope all day. isn't it pathetic? dramatic? why write abput it?
>
>
> shite.

 

Re: suicidal pms

Posted by dreamer on September 29, 2001, at 13:23:48

In reply to suicidal pms, posted by sar on September 29, 2001, at 2:48:47

why write about it?
writing help? >
>
> shite.
Tis shite my sweet I used to have really painful breasties for 20+years couldnt even walk and still it returns sometimes.
Your body is sensitive always at this time maybe it says ..give me a break sar till the next partying.
Do some lounging and eat your greens!plenty of water a pain killer and damn the almighty creater for giving u all these shitzy hormones and cursed equiptment.

Get in the tub with a good red wine and ask yer man to wash yer back.

dreamer pmtfree-ish.

 

Re: suicidal pms

Posted by Kristi on September 29, 2001, at 21:39:43

In reply to suicidal pms, posted by sar on September 29, 2001, at 2:48:47


Boy do I know how you feel. I have always been one of the tough one's. Until this medical shit. almost did myself in twice. Now once a month I think of it. But ride it thru..... I think it'll work.


> i've always been too depressed and distracted to keep track of (sometimes irregular) cycle. but right now i'm boalted, cramping, and obsessed with thoughts of going to the 24-hr Home Depot to buy the silky kind of rope.
>
> i thought i was doing okay until yesterday. i was lying exactly where i wanted to be, my new boy's bed, reading words from the Dali Lama, dressed to the 9's and ready to drink, yet all i wanted to do was lay there FOREVER and die, cut into my skin, cut cut cut, i've never been a cutter but this PMS shit is for real now, it's not just moody crying but suicidal sobbing and craving for slitted wrists, oh i feel so bad psoting this, but for the first time the idea of cutting my wrists doesn't bother me, and i'm pleased that i know how to do it up right, vertically and all, oh oh oh...
>
> pms...
>
> or mood?
>
> cool slit i wanna be ashes i wanna be ashes in the ocean rather than growing up i've peter-pan syndrome i can't stand up i can't can't can't stand up alone i want to whisper and walk barefoot for a reason, do you find being an adult fulfilling? to me it seems full if suicidal challenges, alcoholism, workaholism, annoying kids, wrinkles, accounting i can't can't do it i can't
>
> my gut hurts like nothing else, i think it's coming & that's why i'm all emotional and shit but how, how to gt through the next few days
>
> 'cos i think of silky white rope all day. isn't it pathetic? dramatic? why write abput it?
>
>
> shite.

 

Re: suicidal pms

Posted by Mair on September 29, 2001, at 22:20:24

In reply to Re: suicidal pms, posted by Kristi on September 29, 2001, at 21:39:43

>
> Sar - this sound so familiar, although not the dressed to the nines part. I think I'm about twice your age, but I've only become really aware of the effect of pms in the last couple of years. Nothing like the joys of changing clothes sizes from one week to the next. I don't track my periods very well so I don't always acknowledge to myself that a real onset of suicidality may be pms related. It's sort of like I get terribly depressed, and I feel like I'm really in a real crisis because of course the worst depressive feelings seem so permanent, and then I get my period and the more extreme feelings subside. Only in retrospect do I fully appreciate that pms played a role. Wouldn't it be wonderful if depression didn't totally rob us of all perspective. Even if I tell myself that what I'm feeling is definitely temporary, it's still so difficult not to be overwelmed by "the moment."

The cutting stuff is familiar too. It's not something I have done much, but it's a very vivid thought generally with pms. Sometimes it just takes an act of will to stay away from the razor blades and ride these awful feelings out.

Mair
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>
>
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definition: dressed to the nines:

Posted by sar on September 30, 2001, at 11:58:07

In reply to Re: suicidal pms, posted by Mair on September 29, 2001, at 22:20:24

dressed to the nines: wearing something fancier than faded old blue jeans and flip-flops and 'do-rag on head.

:)

thanks for the responses. i think i've got a bladder infection on top of PMS, which just makes it alot worse....

i was all drunkenly dramatic in that first post...sorry!

it's amazing how it just hits out of nowhere even in the best situations...

thanks for all the responses....

love,
sar

 

Re: definition: dressed to the nines: » sar

Posted by shelliR on September 30, 2001, at 16:52:41

In reply to definition: dressed to the nines:, posted by sar on September 30, 2001, at 11:58:07

> dressed to the nines: wearing something fancier than faded old blue jeans and flip-flops and 'do-rag on head.
>
> :)
>
> thanks for the responses. i think i've got a bladder infection on top of PMS, which just makes it alot worse....
>
> i was all drunkenly dramatic in that first post...sorry!
>
> it's amazing how it just hits out of nowhere even in the best situations...
>
> thanks for all the responses....
>
> love,
> sar

Hey Sar, I don't know how high up you are on prozac, but I used to increase my AD at the first sigh of PMS. You might ask your doctor (especially because it is being marketed for PMS anyway). And definitely a dieretic. That's will help alot with swelling, etc.

Shelli , (sitting at home, dressed to the threes)

 

Re: suicidal pms

Posted by fluffykitty on October 2, 2001, at 11:36:11

In reply to suicidal pms, posted by sar on September 29, 2001, at 2:48:47

> i've always been too depressed and distracted
>to keep track of (sometimes irregular) cycle.
>but right now i'm boalted, cramping, and
>obsessed with thoughts of going to the 24-hr
>Home Depot to buy the silky kind of rope.

I read the others responses.
I want to tell people something I heard when I saw a guru speak at a gathering. She said that when we are old and die it is like our body is the skin of a ripe fruit being peeled away to reveal the fruit within, in that our ripe soul peels away from and leaves the body to go on to a new beginning not an end. I always liked this analogy and it made me think that people who die from means other than natural are not ripe so to speak, their souls are not ready to leave and must come back and be born again in the body of another. So if I think of suicide or being killed before my time that maybe I would just end of having to do it all over again, keep repeating the cycle until I get it right. And I dont know if I want to do that, I would rather die ripe and go through the good and the bad that life brings me.

They say that the death of someone is hardest on those left behind. And when one is feeling fine you realize you would never want to bring that pain on those who are close to you, your family etc. However when you are feeling bad, then its hard to care about that, it all just doesnt matter at that point. But then when you feel better again you realize this again and dont want to really do it.

 

Sar-please read

Posted by Gracie2 on October 2, 2001, at 22:30:12

In reply to Re: suicidal pms, posted by fluffykitty on October 2, 2001, at 11:36:11


Two things to think about - the first is Depro-Provera injections. No more PMS because no more periods. How sweet it is.

The second thing is, if you do not want to consider Depro shots or Norplant (which will also stop your period, but they sure are a bitch to get out after 5 years), do not use tampons if you are prone to bladder infections. They can constrict the urethra so that your bladder doesn't empty completely, which results in infection.
Good luck-Gracie

 

Isn'r Zoloft (all month) good for PMS? (nm)

Posted by Zo on October 3, 2001, at 16:54:33

In reply to Re: suicidal pms, posted by fluffykitty on October 2, 2001, at 11:36:11

 

Re: suicidal pms

Posted by sar on October 3, 2001, at 21:56:38

In reply to Re: suicidal pms, posted by fluffykitty on October 2, 2001, at 11:36:11

dear fluffykitty,

that's a neet metaphor. i don't know what i believe concerning death and where we go, ect, but i love artful theories like that...

i took a psychology course years ago and learned that "self-actualization" is the highest human personality stage one can get to...and not too many do, but it's the point at which you are completely okay with yourself. like completely--this is my belly, my intellect, these are my faults, this is me--i'm fine with this.

in the process of trying to kill myself twice, i thought both times that i'd reached self-actualization. i felt really light and euphoric both times. but both times it did not work, and perhaps that meant that i didn't truly want to die, i just felt like dying and healing all at once.

they do say that death is the hardest on those left behind, but what of us with no spouses, no one who truly truly truly does care, blood sweat tears and spit?

i think death must be most difficult on the one who is dying: the finalization involved. suicides make ppl feel guilty, but the dirty stigma is still attached.

i was born into this life without choice. i think i want my life to be good. i think i want a career, a job, a child...at this point though, i'm straggling, struggling, sweating, getting nowhere, all ready a bundle of problems...

i recently got burned some on the WTC thread, but i'll say what i think about suicide...i think it's completely righteous. i think it's natural and pure. murder is far worse tham suicide.

i think we should be able to decide whether or not we want to hang around.

ahhhh trials & tribulations...

i'm still around, i think there's an incredible will to live, but...i feel pleased with CHOICE.

your ever-contro' poster,
sar

 

Re: Sar-please read

Posted by sar on October 3, 2001, at 22:12:27

In reply to Sar-please read, posted by Gracie2 on October 2, 2001, at 22:30:12

Gracie,

thanks for the advice...a friend of mine gained about 15 pounds on Depo, and another completely lost her sex drive (loss of libido is one of the most commonly reported side-effects from Depo-Provera).

i actually like getting my period, i welcome it. i didn't strat 'til age 16, and i've never been regular, so i'm like *grateful* and happy whebever i get it. it just comes as such a surprise 'cos i never know when it's going to come, so i think i'm a cring potbelliedsuicidal hermit and then WHAM a few days later i'm okay....

i think i'm prone to bladder infections (or urinary tract infections) when i'm sexually active, but pads are such a *mess*....heh heh, PSB, Las Chicas et al, why the hell not discuss... i don't get infections unless i'm active, otherwise tampons are no problem. LETS' BE FRANK HERE, EH?! :)

can i ask a question? this is a question froma young'un, grrls, womyn, ladeez, whoevahs...can i ask this? okay, if you're shy, hide your eyes. go on to another post.

i *knew* you wre curious, fucker. okay, do you feel your cervix being hit? does that contribute to bladder/UI infections? when my cervix is hit sometimes it feels good and sometimes awful.

JEEZUS....!!! thank god we're a smal lil anonymlus supporive group, n'est-ce pas? looking forward to frank responses.

sar

 

Re: Sar-please read

Posted by KB on October 3, 2001, at 22:48:29

In reply to Re: Sar-please read, posted by sar on October 3, 2001, at 22:12:27

Being a lesbian, I can't address the cervix question, but have you tried using condoms (male or female)? They should help prevent germs from being tranferred into your vagina and thereby reduce infections. Gloves on the hands if there's manual penetration may also help.

My ex, who was very infection-prone, swore by large quantities of cranberry juice (drunk, not poured in!!!)

 

Re: Sar-please read » sar

Posted by Marie1 on October 4, 2001, at 7:20:27

In reply to Re: Sar-please read, posted by sar on October 3, 2001, at 22:12:27

Sar-ry,
I know what you mean by hitting the cervix, but I don't think that's what causes infections (altho, I really don't know - take this for what it's worth). In my admittedly limited experience, it was my *partner* who was responsible. I know, your saying "duh" :-). What I mean is certain individuals seemed to be incompatible with me chemically. Getting repeated infections happened with one person, not everyone I was intimate with. It's supposed to help if you urinate right before and right after sex.
Those infections are the pits, aren't they? I remember once ending up in the emergency room because I felt like I'd drank a case of beer and couldn't pee.
I'm curious if anyone else shares my theory.

Marie


> Gracie,
>
> thanks for the advice...a friend of mine gained about 15 pounds on Depo, and another completely lost her sex drive (loss of libido is one of the most commonly reported side-effects from Depo-Provera).
>
> i actually like getting my period, i welcome it. i didn't strat 'til age 16, and i've never been regular, so i'm like *grateful* and happy whebever i get it. it just comes as such a surprise 'cos i never know when it's going to come, so i think i'm a cring potbelliedsuicidal hermit and then WHAM a few days later i'm okay....
>
> i think i'm prone to bladder infections (or urinary tract infections) when i'm sexually active, but pads are such a *mess*....heh heh, PSB, Las Chicas et al, why the hell not discuss... i don't get infections unless i'm active, otherwise tampons are no problem. LETS' BE FRANK HERE, EH?! :)
>
> can i ask a question? this is a question froma young'un, grrls, womyn, ladeez, whoevahs...can i ask this? okay, if you're shy, hide your eyes. go on to another post.
>
> i *knew* you wre curious, fucker. okay, do you feel your cervix being hit? does that contribute to bladder/UI infections? when my cervix is hit sometimes it feels good and sometimes awful.
>
> JEEZUS....!!! thank god we're a smal lil anonymlus supporive group, n'est-ce pas? looking forward to frank responses.
>
> sar

 

Re: interesting questions! » sar

Posted by Wendy B. on October 4, 2001, at 11:18:42

In reply to Re: Sar-please read, posted by sar on October 3, 2001, at 22:12:27

sar,

just a quick note, gotta fly!

the depo suggestion is on the right track, i think, for the suicidal PMS issue. the GYN drs can prescribe you a pill that will guarantee a bleed for abt 4-5 days every 28 days. it will help, i'm positive. and i'm on the same med-profile as you (wellbutrin/happy pill - you: prozac; xanax as needed for anxiety - you: klonopin, same drug family; neurontin for both of us). plus i take a pill for the bleed. it's a nice light flow (i was initially prescribed it because i was bleeding too much each period). mine's called mircette.

anywhoo, don't worry your little texan self about girl questions: whomever doesn't want to read can just close the window and move on...!

the cervix question: yes, a dr told me that and i've read it. the more he knocks on the cervix, the more your tendency to UTIs will go up. also, just the more you 'do it,' the more likely you are to get a UTI. people at the emergency room have seen it millions of times: they call it honeymooners' bladder infection. another thing: you would have to drink gallons of cranberry juice every day to stop the infections from coming on. buy the cran/urinary tract herbal remedies at the local health-food store, ask the people who work there which one they recommend, each pill gives you a ton more than the juice.

i do think some partners have a tendency to give you more infections. he ALSO has to pee before sex. you wash after. he washes after if you want to do it again. (are we getting intimate here yet??? sheesh...) the suggestion abt rubbers is ok, although some people are allergic to or sensitive to the latex. it can irritate the hell out of already-irritated skin/genitalia. rubber gloves, to me, are a total turn-off, but to each her own...

all of this is assuming that you KNOW each of you doesn't have an STD, of course, goes without saying.

lots of the L-word,

wendy


> Gracie,
>
> thanks for the advice...a friend of mine gained about 15 pounds on Depo, and another completely lost her sex drive (loss of libido is one of the most commonly reported side-effects from Depo-Provera).

> i actually like getting my period, i welcome it. i didn't strat 'til age 16, and i've never been regular, so i'm like *grateful* and happy whebever i get it. it just comes as such a surprise 'cos i never know when it's going to come, so i think i'm a cring potbelliedsuicidal hermit and then WHAM a few days later i'm okay....
>
> i think i'm prone to bladder infections (or urinary tract infections) when i'm sexually active, but pads are such a *mess*....heh heh, PSB, Las Chicas et al, why the hell not discuss... i don't get infections unless i'm active, otherwise tampons are no problem. LETS' BE FRANK HERE, EH?! :)
>
> can i ask a question? this is a question froma young'un, grrls, womyn, ladeez, whoevahs...can i ask this? okay, if you're shy, hide your eyes. go on to another post.
>
> i *knew* you wre curious, fucker. okay, do you feel your cervix being hit? does that contribute to bladder/UI infections? when my cervix is hit sometimes it feels good and sometimes awful.
>
> JEEZUS....!!! thank god we're a smal lil anonymlus supporive group, n'est-ce pas? looking forward to frank responses.
>
> sar

 

Re: suicidal pms

Posted by fluffykitty on October 4, 2001, at 12:29:42

In reply to Re: suicidal pms, posted by sar on October 3, 2001, at 21:56:38

Dear Sar:

> i took a psychology course years ago and learned that "self-actualization" is the highest human personality stage one can get to...and not too many do, but it's the point at which you are completely okay with yourself. like completely--this is my belly, my intellect, these are my
>faults, this is me--i'm fine with this.

Yea. I thought it was also that it was when a person was living in accord with thier inner directives and were on a path and doing what it was they were driven to do productively in life. In other words for whatever reason most people miss thier true calling in life. But for those who are self actualized they are doing thier true calling whatever it is.


>
> in the process of trying to kill myself twice, i thought both times that i'd reached self-actualization. i felt really light and euphoric both times.
but both times it did not work, and perhaps that meant that i didn't truly want to die, i just
>felt like dying and healing all at once.

Thats very interesting. I have felt that people can die a metaphorical death which is theraputic in itself without really dying. In other words when things get really bad and one has a berakdown of some sort, its like going to lowest low and "dying" and then coming back up healed, being reborn as a somewhat different person within. You know? I feel this has happened to me a number of times. Can call it the death of illusion, or perception of reality that wasnt working and when one is reborn they have a new perception, hopefully less illusion about themselves and life and people. Having less illusion doesnt mean being cynical. It means just understanding whats what and being able to go on from there to be happier and healthier with life and people.

> they do say that death is the hardest on those left behind, but what of us with no spouses, no one who truly truly truly does care, blood sweat
>tears and spit?

Well what about other friends and family? Not necessarily spouses. Unless one doesnt really have any family or is estranged from them and or doesnt really have any friends. Thats not good.

> i think death must be most difficult on the one >who is dying: the finalization involved.

Sure.

> i was born into this life without choice. i
>think i want my life to be good. i think i want
>a career, a job, a child...at this point though,
>i'm straggling, struggling, sweating, getting
>nowhere, all ready a bundle of problems...

People struggle in life and can also get through it and have better times and then struggles again etc. Death may or may not be answer. Its up to the individual.

>
> i recently got burned some on the WTC thread,

Didnt read it.

>but i'll say what i think about suicide...i think it's completely righteous. i think it's
>natural and pure. murder is far worse tham
>suicide.

Ok. However they also say that its an act of anger and of desperation. How many people kill themselves out of purity of motive or contentment? Remember that guy in Philly, that politican who shot himself on tv? They said that it was an act of great anger. "Yea that will show them! Ill just shoot myself and well theyll be sorry!" They may be sorry but in the end theyll go on living and get on with life. Then there are those who shoot others and then shoot themselves. But thats different. But they are still angry.
Are you angry? I grew up being really really angry. But I didnt want to kill myself. I wanted to not be angry or to use that energy for something that would be like useful like art or something. Im not angry anymore for the most part.

> i think we should be able to decide whether or
>not we want to hang around.

You are. No one can stop anyone from doing what they want to if they want to. I know a guy who stepped out of a 6th floor window 2 years ago.

> i'm still around, i think there's an incredible will to live, but...i feel pleased with CHOICE.

Its built into us. The will to live.

:)

 

Re: Sar-please read

Posted by fluffykitty on October 4, 2001, at 12:34:31

In reply to Re: Sar-please read, posted by sar on October 3, 2001, at 22:12:27


>Las Chicas et al, why the hell not discuss... i don't get infections unless i'm active, otherwise tampons are no problem. LETS' BE FRANK HERE,
>EH?! :)
>anonymlus supporive group, n'est-ce pas?
>looking forward to frank responses.


Hey why not its how people learn.
I thnk its great and very informative and interesting, what people are saying.
Im a guy and I dont have a "manly" name here and I may not always sound like a guy but I will tell you that my wife wards off infections by drinking cranberry juice and peeing after sex. Extra lube like astroglide may help a lot too. I generally pee before sex because the finale doesnt feel good on a full bladder but if its healthier then more power to it!!!! ;-)


 

Re: Sar-please read

Posted by Gracie2 on October 4, 2001, at 14:43:20

In reply to Re: Sar-please read, posted by fluffykitty on October 4, 2001, at 12:34:31


Sar-
You can tell if tampons are your problem if you always get bladder infections during or right after your period. I used to get such bad infections that there was blood in my urine. I did everything the doctors recommended - showers instead of baths, lot of Vitamin C and cranberry juice - nothing worked. I even went to a well-known urologist for a cystoscope and had medicine injected into my bladder, followed by long-term
antibiotics. The infections returned.
It was the freaking tampons all along. When I stopped using them, the infections went away.
Anyway, if you're not aware of it, you can now buy medicine OTC that numbs the bladder. It used to be available only by prescription. It's called Cystex and it makes your pee orange, but who cares. It won't cure the infection but it will make you more comfortable until you can see your doctor for antibiotics.
Shaka-
Gracie

 

Re: Sar-please read » Marie1

Posted by sar on October 4, 2001, at 16:23:20

In reply to Re: Sar-please read » sar, posted by Marie1 on October 4, 2001, at 7:20:27

> Those infections are the pits, aren't they? I remember once ending up in the emergency room because I felt like I'd drank a case of beer and couldn't pee.
> I'm curious if anyone else shares my theory.

ah jeez marie! :) i had a UTI 'bout 4 years ago, i was 19 and had no idea what it was, and there i was in the emergency room feeling exactly the same way...you describe it so well...ha ha...not a pleasant feeling...

yeah, i need to be more careful. last time we started to have sex i said hey hey, i need to go pee! and then i couldn't...maddening...

thanks for the input...i drink a fair bit of cranberry (capecods, yo), i think maybe it's just the "honeymooner effect" as described in a post below...

*blush*

thanks for the technical advice. my boy and i will heed this posthaste.

love
sar
>
>
>
>
> > Gracie,
> >
> > thanks for the advice...a friend of mine gained about 15 pounds on Depo, and another completely lost her sex drive (loss of libido is one of the most commonly reported side-effects from Depo-Provera).
> >
> > i actually like getting my period, i welcome it. i didn't strat 'til age 16, and i've never been regular, so i'm like *grateful* and happy whebever i get it. it just comes as such a surprise 'cos i never know when it's going to come, so i think i'm a cring potbelliedsuicidal hermit and then WHAM a few days later i'm okay....
> >
> > i think i'm prone to bladder infections (or urinary tract infections) when i'm sexually active, but pads are such a *mess*....heh heh, PSB, Las Chicas et al, why the hell not discuss... i don't get infections unless i'm active, otherwise tampons are no problem. LETS' BE FRANK HERE, EH?! :)
> >
> > can i ask a question? this is a question froma young'un, grrls, womyn, ladeez, whoevahs...can i ask this? okay, if you're shy, hide your eyes. go on to another post.
> >
> > i *knew* you wre curious, fucker. okay, do you feel your cervix being hit? does that contribute to bladder/UI infections? when my cervix is hit sometimes it feels good and sometimes awful.
> >
> > JEEZUS....!!! thank god we're a smal lil anonymlus supporive group, n'est-ce pas? looking forward to frank responses.
> >
> > sar

 

Re: interesting questions! » Wendy B.

Posted by sar on October 4, 2001, at 16:40:21

In reply to Re: interesting questions! » sar, posted by Wendy B. on October 4, 2001, at 11:18:42


> the depo suggestion is on the right track, i think, for the suicidal PMS issue. the GYN drs can prescribe you a pill that will guarantee a bleed for abt 4-5 days every 28 days. it will help, i'm positive. and i'm on the same med-profile as you (wellbutrin/happy pill - you: prozac; xanax as needed for anxiety - you: klonopin, same drug family; neurontin for both of us). plus i take a pill for the bleed. it's a nice light flow (i was initially prescribed it because i was bleeding too much each period). mine's called mircette.

hey wendy,

is the pill you take similar to Depo? i just don't like what i read about Depo, though a doc once prescribe methyprogesterone for me if i was 10 or more days late...(i've just got to get *insurance*)


> anywhoo, don't worry your little texan self about girl questions: whomever doesn't want to read can just close the window and move on...!


hell yeah, good, my girlfirends know about as much as i do (one didn't even know that these infections are caused by sex) and my mom, when i told her i thought i had a bladder infection, seemed convinced that i'd spent some time sitting on a "cold curb" somewhere. The "cold curb" has been the cause of all gyn troubles she's spoken of since my youth. contrary to her wisdom, cold sidewalks haven't done shit to me...but sex can really do it at times!

> the cervix question: yes, a dr told me that and i've read it. the more he knocks on the cervix, the more your tendency to UTIs will go up. also, just the more you 'do it,' the more likely you are to get a UTI. people at the emergency room have seen it millions of times: they call it honeymooners' bladder infection. another thing: you would have to drink gallons of cranberry juice every day to stop the infections from coming on. buy the cran/urinary tract herbal remedies at the local health-food store, ask the people who work there which one they recommend, each pill gives you a ton more than the juice.

this makes lots of sense to me. the cervix-hitting feels, at times, terribly wrong. i'll score some cran-pills at the HFS and edu'mecate the boy. :) yikes


> i do think some partners have a tendency to give you more infections. he ALSO has to pee before sex. you wash after. he washes after if you want to do it again. (are we getting intimate here yet??? sheesh...) the suggestion abt rubbers is ok, although some people are allergic to or sensitive to the latex. it can irritate the hell out of already-irritated skin/genitalia. rubber gloves, to me, are a total turn-off, but to each her own...

this has been unprotected sex (yes, LECTURE ME!), gotta score some condoms along with the cran-pills...i'm not down with gloves 'cos they would be like, professional or remind my of the gyn or something. i have to get it in my head that if we're having sex, then i should feel comfortable discussing this with him YES YES YES i RESOLVE to discuss it with the boy

> lots of the L-word,

lube? luck? lots of cran? ahhhh...*love*?

aw yiyeah!

sar

 

Re: more on: interesting questions, Sar

Posted by Wendy B. on October 5, 2001, at 11:50:47

In reply to Re: interesting questions! » Wendy B., posted by sar on October 4, 2001, at 16:40:21

>
> > the depo suggestion is on the right track, i think, for the suicidal PMS issue. the GYN drs can prescribe you a pill that will guarantee a bleed for abt 4-5 days every 28 days. it will help, i'm positive. and i'm on the same med-profile as you (wellbutrin/happy pill - you: prozac; xanax as needed for anxiety - you: klonopin, same drug family; neurontin for both of us). plus i take a pill for the bleed. it's a nice light flow (i was initially prescribed it because i was bleeding too much each period). mine's called mircette.
>
> hey wendy,
>
> is the pill you take similar to Depo? i just don't like what i read about Depo, though a doc once prescribe methyprogesterone for me if i was 10 or more days late...(i've just got to get *insurance*)


Sar,

i was never a big Depo fan, although i never took it. one little pill every morning, day in and day out, works well for me. low-dose tricyclics: triphasil or ortho-tri-cyclen, besides the mircette, are the ones to ask for. they're all good because they vary the amounts of estrogen and progestin, throughout the cycle. people who balk at taking hormones all the time seem to like these better than the other OCs (oral contraceptives). so it's something close to a a 'mini-pill,' but more effective as a contraceptive. also will decrease your water-weight gain (bloaty feeling) right before the period, or eliminate it.

the only thing i'd want to say as a caution, tho, is that you may get side-effects like emotional lability, or anger/irritability right before your period. some people do. others are so relieved about contraception or their ability to have a *normal* (i.e.: regular) period, they're overjoyed. so watch for that if you ever did want to try the tri-cyclics. the prozac might take the edge off any of the anger irritability, or you could just up the dose the week before your period, etc.

i mention the anger/irritability thing, because maybe 4-5 years ago, i was way out of control with anger, for a week, then 2, then 3 out of the month, before my period. the period would end it, and then i'd get back on the mood swings. i was pulling my hair out! i was on a tri-cyclic, and we switched to the mircette, but i still had swings. the dr suggested i take some zoloft. so that was how i first started on an AD. through my GYN. interesting... it definitely worked, we tweaked the dose from 50 to 100 mg, and i was on it for years. i gained 30 lbs over that time, but i didn't care... for the first time in my life i felt that around the corner there wasn't some fresh disaster waiting to happen. my reaction to the zoloft made me realize i had been depressed since childhood...

it pooped out on me, though, more than a year ago, so that's when i was prescribed effexor (horrible! couldn't get off the couch), and now wellbutrin and neurontin...

you've got to get insurance, yeah. the bookstore doesn't have anything? or you have to be full-time? if they don't that's awful...



> > anywhoo, don't worry your little texan self about girl questions: whomever doesn't want to read can just close the window and move on...!
>
>
> hell yeah, good, my girlfirends know about as much as i do (one didn't even know that these infections are caused by sex) and my mom, when i told her i thought i had a bladder infection, seemed convinced that i'd spent some time sitting on a "cold curb" somewhere. The "cold curb" has been the cause of all gyn troubles she's spoken of since my youth. contrary to her wisdom, cold sidewalks haven't done shit to me...but sex can really do it at times!


cold curbs? you gotta be kidding, right? 'hey mom, i'm having sex!' is she that out of touch? i take it she doesn't 'know' or wishes to ignore, your drinking, too? i'm having trouble seeing how this works when you all live in the same house...

yeah, you need older girlfriends. they are a VAST storehouse of knowledge. you can ask them all sorts of questions about sex, and they won't be phased a bit, and they'll go on and on for hours... but luckily, you have us!! (beam)

> > the cervix question: yes, a dr told me that and i've read it. the more he knocks on the cervix, the more your tendency to UTIs will go up. also, just the more you 'do it,' the more likely you are to get a UTI. people at the emergency room have seen it millions of times: they call it honeymooners' bladder infection. another thing: you would have to drink gallons of cranberry juice every day to stop the infections from coming on. buy the cran/urinary tract herbal remedies at the local health-food store, ask the people who work there which one they recommend, each pill gives you a ton more than the juice.
>
> this makes lots of sense to me. the cervix-hitting feels, at times, terribly wrong. i'll score some cran-pills at the HFS and edu'mecate the boy. :) yikes


well, i didn't quite say that he *shouldn't* bump into your cervix! it feels good if it's not too rough. also, you can have a very deep and wonderful orgasm from getting nudged a little there... again, in my experience. but i think i read it somewhere, too.

oh yeah! dr used to say 'woman on top' positions were the best when you had a tendency to UTIs, since you can control the penetration better... my drs are so cool, they talk so easily about things like this...

i'm also wondering if drinking doesn't exacerbate the UTI problems? (hey! another reason to stop, or at least cut back...)


> > i do think some partners have a tendency to give you more infections. he ALSO has to pee before sex. you wash after. he washes after if you want to do it again. (are we getting intimate here yet??? sheesh...) the suggestion abt rubbers is ok, although some people are allergic to or sensitive to the latex. it can irritate the hell out of already-irritated skin/genitalia. rubber gloves, to me, are a total turn-off, but to each her own...
>
> this has been unprotected sex (yes, LECTURE ME!), gotta score some condoms along with the cran-pills...


oh, well, i won't lecture you, i've certainly done the unprotected thing before (but i was on the pill). unprotected from STDs and stuff. it was bad, i know, i guess i just trusted my new love-interest enough that he wouldn't have AIDS or whatever else. and it turned out he didn't... other lovers before the last one: one was RELIGIOUS about condoms, because in NO WAY was he going to get a woman preggers, he was adamant. the others were, to be frank, older than me, and AIDS or whatever wasn't even a concept. although i know that's stupid...


>i'm not down with gloves 'cos they would be like, professional or remind my of the gyn or something. i have to get it in my head that if we're having sex, then i should feel comfortable discussing this with him YES YES YES i RESOLVE to discuss it with the boy

yeah, well, the gloves i would have a hard time with, but not with somebody i knew really well. you really have a crush on your GYN, hmmmm? washing hands *very* well would work too, wouldn't it? i mean, they wouldn't be sterile, but...

sure, talk to the boy! he's a grownup... he doesn't want you to have UTIs, because let's face it: every time you get one, it cuts back on the time available for sex (you have to take antibiotics or sulpha drugs for 36-48 hrs before you can have sex again). plus, the girlfriend is in pain, and he doesn't want that... you'll be surprised how well and how easily he understands, and he'll have empathy for you...

> > lots of the L-word,
>
> lube? luck? lots of cran? ahhhh...*love*?
>
> aw yiyeah!
>
> sar

yeah, love, you kook!

wendy

 

Re: more on: interesting questions, Wendy

Posted by sar on October 6, 2001, at 19:54:21

In reply to Re: more on: interesting questions, Sar, posted by Wendy B. on October 5, 2001, at 11:50:47


> i was never a big Depo fan, although i never took it. one little pill every morning, day in and day out, works well for me. low-dose tricyclics: triphasil or ortho-tri-cyclen, besides the mircette, are the ones to ask for. they're all good because they vary the amounts of estrogen and progestin, throughout the cycle. people who balk at taking hormones all the time seem to like these better than the other OCs (oral contraceptives). so it's something close to a a 'mini-pill,' but more effective as a contraceptive. also will decrease your water-weight gain (bloaty feeling) right before the period, or eliminate it.


a girl i know recommended ortho-novum...sound good?


> the only thing i'd want to say as a caution, tho, is that you may get side-effects like emotional lability, or anger/irritability right before your period. some people do. others are so relieved about contraception or their ability to have a *normal* (i.e.: regular) period, they're overjoyed. so watch for that if you ever did want to try the tri-cyclics. the prozac might take the edge off any of the anger irritability, or you could just up the dose the week before your period, etc.

because i'm so irregular, my period always takes me by surprise and i think that i've become a bloated, teary hermit just out of the blue. pms never makes me angry, just sad and tired. would the pill change that and make me irritable instead?


> i mention the anger/irritability thing, because maybe 4-5 years ago, i was way out of control with anger, for a week, then 2, then 3 out of the month, before my period. the period would end it, and then i'd get back on the mood swings. i was pulling my hair out! i was on a tri-cyclic, and we switched to the mircette, but i still had swings. the dr suggested i take some zoloft. so that was how i first started on an AD. through my GYN. interesting... it definitely worked, we tweaked the dose from 50 to 100 mg, and i was on it for years. i gained 30 lbs over that time, but i didn't care... for the first time in my life i felt that around the corner there wasn't some fresh disaster waiting to happen. my reaction to the zoloft made me realize i had been depressed since childhood...

the zoloft caused you to gain 30 lbs? has the wellbutrin helped to temper any weight gain? it's really amazing what drugs can do; my social anxiety has melted away 90% and i've really been enjoying people...i feel depressed at heart, but i can enjoy things again...


> it pooped out on me, though, more than a year ago, so that's when i was prescribed effexor (horrible! couldn't get off the couch), and now wellbutrin and neurontin...

eek! yeah, i tried effexor to, that's actually how i found Dr. Bob's site, and the effexor didn't do anything but scare me as i read of its side-effects and withdrawal sympotoms. how many mgs of neurontin are you on? for the first week or so i was on it i really felt kind of euphoric, and now that i've gone up to what i understand is the "minimal dose" (900 mgs) i feel like i did before. that neet floaty everthangs-cool feeling has disappeared... :(

> you've got to get insurance, yeah. the bookstore doesn't have anything? or you have to be full-time? if they don't that's awful...

they gave a 30-day window when they employed me to get insurance but at that time i couldn't read much more than The Cat in the Hat and certainly not this big insurance booklet different plans numbers percentages, it was too overwhelming...so i missed it. the next "open period" is in november. currently i'm getting all of my meds for free through a city program, but i don't think they'll toss in for birth control, too. ('tho i should investigate!)


>
> cold curbs? you gotta be kidding, right? 'hey mom, i'm having sex!' is she that out of touch? i take it she doesn't 'know' or wishes to ignore, your drinking, too? i'm having trouble seeing how this works when you all live in the same house...


i am not kidding. 2 words i never heard in my house growing up were "god" and "sex." she bought me judy blume books and all (the best!) but we've never had a mom-to-daughter type talk. she's a symbolic ostrich, the middle-class woman's angry martha stewart, she's never smoked a cig or done drugs or gotten drunk. and she's not lying. i inherited my social anxiety from her, it's just that i've always been determined to break through it while she bows down to it. COLD CURBS. not kidding....

> yeah, you need older girlfriends. they are a VAST storehouse of knowledge. you can ask them all sorts of questions about sex, and they won't be phased a bit, and they'll go on and on for hours... but luckily, you have us!! (beam)

yes! thank you! :)
>

>
> well, i didn't quite say that he *shouldn't* bump into your cervix! it feels good if it's not too rough. also, you can have a very deep and wonderful orgasm from getting nudged a little there... again, in my experience. but i think i read it somewhere, too.


well, i've never been sure about that! sometimes i worry that i'm going to be like, damaged or something, with that bumping. sometimes it feels good and sometimes horrible...i guess depending on how into it i am...

> oh yeah! dr used to say 'woman on top' positions were the best when you had a tendency to UTIs, since you can control the penetration better... my drs are so cool, they talk so easily about things like this...

i never see medical docs anymore...
> i'm also wondering if drinking doesn't exacerbate the UTI problems? (hey! another reason to stop, or at least cut back...)

no, i've had them twice before, and that was when i was a mere stoner... :)


> oh, well, i won't lecture you, i've certainly done the unprotected thing before (but i was on the pill). unprotected from STDs and stuff. it was bad, i know, i guess i just trusted my new love-interest enough that he wouldn't have AIDS or whatever else. and it turned out he didn't... other lovers before the last one: one was RELIGIOUS about condoms, because in NO WAY was he going to get a woman preggers, he was adamant. the others were, to be frank, older than me, and AIDS or whatever wasn't even a concept. although i know that's stupid...

all of this has been kind of blind, REALLY STUPID, particularly because i do community restitution at an AIDS center...

> >i'm not down with gloves 'cos they would be like, professional or remind my of the gyn or something. i have to get it in my head that if we're having sex, then i should feel comfortable discussing this with him YES YES YES i RESOLVE to discuss it with the boy
>
> yeah, well, the gloves i would have a hard time with, but not with somebody i knew really well. you really have a crush on your GYN, hmmmm? washing hands *very* well would work too, wouldn't it? i mean, they wouldn't be sterile, but...


i don't even have a gyn, you dork! and all of gyns have been 50-yr old women, very nice but not my type... :)

> sure, talk to the boy! he's a grownup... he doesn't want you to have UTIs, because let's face it: every time you get one, it cuts back on the time available for sex (you have to take antibiotics or sulpha drugs for 36-48 hrs before you can have sex again). plus, the girlfriend is in pain, and he doesn't want that... you'll be surprised how well and how easily he understands, and he'll have empathy for you...


it's still long-distance right now, we see each other about once a week, i'll talk to him this next time... (yeeee, & i can't wait to see him!)

thanks wen,
sar

 

Re: more on: interesting questions, Wendy

Posted by KB on October 7, 2001, at 8:39:39

In reply to Re: more on: interesting questions, Wendy, posted by sar on October 6, 2001, at 19:54:21

I don't know where you are geographically, but if there's a Planned Parenthood nearby, they are a good source for cheap birth control pills, since they generally use a sliding scale. I think the # is 1-800-230-PLAN

BTW, if you smoke or have a family history of breast cancer, hormonal contraception may not be a good idea.

 

Re: more on: interesting questions » KB

Posted by sar on October 9, 2001, at 23:36:49

In reply to Re: more on: interesting questions, Wendy, posted by KB on October 7, 2001, at 8:39:39

KB,

thanks for the tip. i'll give them a call. my military insurance (from my dad) ran out a few months ago, so i'm still trying navigate the poor-girl's way of obtaining proper meds for an affordable rate.

i live in a large city with many planned p's, so it won't be problem to get to one.

thanks,
sar


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