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Posted by Rzip on February 17, 2001, at 11:28:39
If you think any of these statements are true, please vote at Psycho-Babble-Open.
After the poll closes, we can discuss them. Please vote and voice your input everyone :-)
1. People who suffers from insomnia for one year or more is at a risk for psychiatric disorders.
2. Fluoxetine is a MAOI.
3. Informed consent should never be granted to patients with psychiatric disorders.
4. In terms of the [length] of depressive/maniac episodes, BPII is more severe than BPI.
5. In the U.S. more people die by suicide than by homicide.
6. Autism, OCD, MDD, SZ all have genetic basis.
7. "Atypical" meds causes more extrapyramidal side effects, and are less specific than "typical" meds.
8. Sometimes a minor event such as a poor test grade can push an otherwise normal person to commit suicide.
9. Lithium, Valproate,m and Tamoxifen are mood stabilizers.
10. We are very grateful to Dr. Bob for providing us with the PB site [considering he is paying $275/month to host it].
Please vote, then we can have some fun.
- Rzip
Posted by willow on February 17, 2001, at 13:06:51
In reply to Revised POLL at Psycho-Babble-Open (Close on Mon.), posted by Rzip on February 17, 2001, at 11:28:39
> If you think any of these statements are true, please vote at Psycho-Babble-Open.
>
> After the poll closes, we can discuss them. Please vote and voice your input everyone :-)
>
> 1. People who suffers from insomnia for one year or more is at a risk for psychiatric disorders. TRUE
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> 2. Fluoxetine is a MAOI.
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> 3. Informed consent should never be granted to patients with psychiatric disorders.
>
> 4. In terms of the [length] of depressive/maniac episodes, BPII is more severe than BPI.
>
> 5. In the U.S. more people die by suicide than by homicide. TRUE
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> 6. Autism, OCD, MDD, SZ all have genetic basis. TRUE
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> 7. "Atypical" meds causes more extrapyramidal side effects, and are less specific than "typical" meds. TRUE
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> 8. Sometimes a minor event such as a poor test grade can push an otherwise normal person to commit suicide.
>
> 9. Lithium, Valproate,m and Tamoxifen are mood stabilizers.
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> 10. We are very grateful to Dr. Bob for providing us with the PB site [considering he is paying $275/month to host it]. TRUEHope I voted at the right location, if not please give directions.
Willow
Posted by Rzip on February 17, 2001, at 22:47:14
In reply to Re: Revised POLL at Psycho-Babble-Open (Close on Mon.), posted by willow on February 17, 2001, at 13:06:51
Willow,
> Hope I voted at the right location, if not please give directions.
Actually, the poll is at Psycho-Babble-Open. At the top of this page, there is a link to that web page. It is a different site than PB. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/psycho-babble-open.You have to register as a member first, then go to the poll and vote.
Thank you for responding to my post. You don't have to vote at the poll if you do not want to--it is a bit of a trouble because signing up always takes time. If you want, you can just leave this as is.
Thanks,
Rzip
Posted by Rzip on February 17, 2001, at 22:51:13
In reply to Re: Revised POLL at Psycho-Babble-Open (Close on Mon.), posted by willow on February 17, 2001, at 13:06:51
Willow,
You don't have to officially vote. No one has to.
I think the fun of this activity is the active participation. So, since you participated, the discussion will be more meaningful for you.
This is for anyone else also (I don't know why I did not think of this before)--you can just participate like the way Willow did.
- Rzip
Posted by Rzip on February 17, 2001, at 23:00:05
In reply to Thanks. It is the participation that counts. » willow, posted by Rzip on February 17, 2001, at 22:51:13
> Willow,
>
> You don't have to officially vote. No one has to.
>
> I think the fun of this activity is the active participation. So, since you participated, the discussion will be more meaningful for you.
>
> This is for anyone else also (I don't know why I did not think of this before)--you can just participate like the way Willow did.
>
> - Rzip
Posted by ksvt on February 18, 2001, at 11:58:25
In reply to Revised POLL at Psycho-Babble-Open (Close on Mon.), posted by Rzip on February 17, 2001, at 11:28:39
>Rzip - I registered at PB open some time ago, but when I recently tried to get there to respond to your poll I was given some message like my email address was not convertible. Does this have something to do with the participation of yahoo groups that i heard about? I know there was some discussion about this several weeks ago, but I'm pretty computer illiterate and didn't really follow it. Should I just try to reregister as if I had never registered before? Thanks K
Posted by Rzip on February 18, 2001, at 12:20:32
In reply to Re: Revised POLL at Psycho-Babble-Open (Close on Mon.) » Rzip, posted by ksvt on February 18, 2001, at 11:58:25
> >Rzip - I registered at PB open some time ago, but when I recently tried to get there to respond to your poll I was given some message like my email address was not convertible. Does this have something to do with the participation of yahoo groups that i heard about? I know there was some discussion about this several weeks ago, but I'm pretty computer illiterate and didn't really follow it. Should I just try to reregister as if I had never registered before? Thanks K
I think there is a button you can click on the sign-in page that allows you to convert. Yahoo will then send an e-mail to you telling you the Pin #. You then go back to the yahoo page and enter the pin #, thereby converting to the new server.
Or, you can re-register as a new user. Which ever is less trouble for you.
You can also simply reply to my post with the questions, here on the board.
Thanks,
Rzip
Posted by Rzip on February 19, 2001, at 8:17:04
In reply to Revised POLL at Psycho-Babble-Open (Close on Mon.), posted by Rzip on February 17, 2001, at 11:28:39
> 1. People who suffers from insomnia for one year or more is at a risk for psychiatric disorders.
TRUE. A study was done correlating chronic insomnia (continual difficulty with sleep for at least 1 month) and psychiatric disorder. I do not have the exact numbers, but the study found that the people who at the time were affected with chronic disorder, 20% of these people had psychiatric disorders at the time. One year later, 40% of these same people were afflicated with some kind of psychiatric disorder. Patients with chronic insomnia have a 2 fold greater risk for Major, unipolar depression. So sleep researchers believe that it is not the depression that causes the insomnia. Rather it is the other way around.
Wierd treatment findings: One of the behavioral sleep therapy for depression is sleep deprivation. This is kind of funny: It has been found that if you wake a depressed person up at 2 a.m after sleep for 2-3 hours, and restrict the patient from sleep or going to bed therefore after, the patient is not depressed any more (of course, you have to do this ritual for a certain amount of time (1 week?--I don't know)). But here is where it gets interesting, if the patient goes back to sleep after you wake him/her up, the patient will wake up depressed again!
So has any of you guys had partial sleep deprivation therapy (being waked up at 2 a.m.) or total sleep deprivation (24 hours non-sleep)? If so, did it help?
As a student who suffers from depressive episodes: the idea that sleep-deprivation is actually therapy is very interesting for me. Imaging that my depression will actually subside if I pull an all-nighter! Of course, my brain do not function well either the next day since I am so sleepy. So, sleep-deprivation does not help with my school-work in terms of concentration; but still I think the therapy is good news for any student. Also, the REM (Rapid Eye Movement -- where you have your dreams and wild brain wave functions); the REM periods for depressed people differs from those who are not depressed. Usually, the REM periods increase in duration progressively over the course of the 8-hour sleep. However, the brainwave of a depressed person shows that the REM periods actually are the same in duration across the board (8-hour sleep). So, I am thinking that if I can get to the longer REM period earlier because I suffer from depression, why would I have to sleep for 8 hours? I mean I get the same amount of REM through the night anyways. I should sleep less and do more schoolwork (or log on here). Actually, that does not work either because sleep deprivation accumulates and I do not function well. :-( But still interesting info.
Some interesting informations on sleep at http://bisleep.medsch.ucla.edu/sleepsyllabus/intro.html
I'll provide the answers to the other nine questions progressively over the next few days.Have a nice day,
Rzip
Posted by willow on February 19, 2001, at 16:36:33
In reply to The answer to the 1st question (Insomnia), posted by Rzip on February 19, 2001, at 8:17:04
> > 1. People who suffers from insomnia for one year or more is at a risk for psychiatric disorders.
>
> TRUE. A study was done correlating chronic insomnia (continual difficulty with sleep for at least 1 month) and psychiatric disorder.I think that anyone who didn't get proper rest for a year, or even less, are more prone to many illness not just psychiatric. Plus, just not able to function as effectively as if they had proper rest.
My own problems started about nine months after the birth of my last child who didn't sleep nights like the other two. He's five now and still wakes up, but is able to get himself back to sleep. Not surprisingly before I became ill I use to wake up in the night quite often, just like him. This was never a problem for me, I would just piddle about and then go back to sleep.
Just from observing my dad's symptoms get worse, along with not being able to sleep, and also a friend who devolopped bi-polar was unable to sleep. The wording isn't very clear I know. What I'm trying to say is both people are affected by psychiatric illnesses that presented with an inability to sleep.
I wonder how many doctors have a thorough discussion with patients regarding matters like their sleep etc. And do they have a way of co-relating information they recieve from patients and their families with other doctors? This is probably off topic, but about how old was the study you referred to Rzip? If it was fairly new, it just seems strange that they would just be figuring this out now. Do you know what I mean? Perhaps if they were able to use the internet in some way like a database for this type of information they would have larger groups of data and be able to come up with conclusions quicker.
Just a thought!
Willow
Posted by dj on February 23, 2001, at 9:49:49
In reply to The answer to the 1st question (Insomnia), posted by Rzip on February 19, 2001, at 8:17:04
> I'll provide the answers to the other nine questions progressively over the next few days.
>
> Have a nice day,
> RzipAnd they are...???
Posted by willow on February 26, 2001, at 8:15:26
In reply to Answers to other 8 questions..???? » Rzip, posted by dj on February 23, 2001, at 9:49:49
RZip Rach are you guys still out there in this cyber-world?
Posted by pat123 on March 1, 2001, at 19:07:44
In reply to Answers to other 8 questions..???? » Rzip, posted by dj on February 23, 2001, at 9:49:49
> > I'll provide the answers to the other nine questions progressively over the next few days.
> >
> > Have a nice day,
> > Rzip
>
> And they are...???I, too would like to see them and the research that was to go with them. Always looking for new stuff to read.
Pat
Posted by dj on March 4, 2001, at 23:21:26
In reply to Re: Answers to other 8 questions..????, posted by pat123 on March 1, 2001, at 19:07:44
Not really...however, I am dissapointed that RZip did not finish what she started. I guess she took it too personally that only two folks, besides her, participated in her survey...oh well...
Posted by willow on March 5, 2001, at 21:33:44
In reply to The suspense is killing me...; ), posted by dj on March 4, 2001, at 23:21:26
DJ your post may get you a civility reminder. I'm curious to see if it does?!
I think RZip realizes a lot more people read the posts than respond. I do believe she is also a student so she may be on spring break or busy with studying. Hopefully she'll get back to us soon.
Whistling Willow
Posted by dj on March 5, 2001, at 22:07:00
In reply to Re: The suspense is killing me...; ), posted by willow on March 5, 2001, at 21:33:44
> DJ your post may get you a civility reminder. >I'm curious to see if it does?!
I would hope not, Willow. It's hard to be uncivil to a phantom... RZip noted in her Feb. 19 post almost a month ago that: "I'll provide the answers to the other nine questions progressively over the next few days." As far as I can tell she hasn't posted anything since, despite genuine encouragement from Pat, yourself and myself to do so. And she was posting pretty regularly up until the time she dissappeared into the ozone.
Despite my weak attempt at humour, I am genuinely dissapointed that she did not finish posting what she started as I did find the questions of interest and would like to see her post more on them, even though I did not respond to her survey, because I did not see the point of it, as such.
dj
Posted by willow on March 5, 2001, at 22:28:41
In reply to Re: The suspense is killing me...; ) » willow, posted by dj on March 5, 2001, at 22:07:00
" because I did not see the point of it, as such."
It was her way of starting a converstation going, asking for feedback, etc. I do think she may have mentioned that she has social anxiety and if so I do hope she did not think it reflected upon herself that there wasn't more participants.
I live in a "polyanna" world and would like to think that she is just busy with her studying instead of feeling hurt.
I too am interested in knowing what the answers are?
Whistling Willow
Posted by dj on March 5, 2001, at 22:37:17
In reply to Re: The suspense is killing me...; ), posted by willow on March 5, 2001, at 22:28:41
> It was her way of starting a converstation
> going, asking for feedback, etc.I understood that based on her response to a question that either I or Pat posed to her. I just didn't find the T/F approach itself, conducive to stimulating much e-discussion other than querying the rationale for it.
>I do think she may have mentioned that she has social anxiety and if so I do hope she did not think it reflected upon herself that there wasn't >more participants.
I think it was the nature of the survey that did not lead to responses and the fact that it was a survey.
>
> I live in a "polyanna" world and would like to think that she is just busy with her studying >instead of feeling hurt.I would hope that even if she felt hurt that she has found other things to focus on which will hopefully help boost her self-confidence and social skills, such as her studies and perhaps some off-line friends
> I too am interested in knowing what the answers >are?
Well, if RZip is lurking hopefully she will take this as encouragement to post them.
Sante!
dj
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